Bend over California.....SB1 passed

[BasilHayden]

Hmm, Lots of vehicles burning lots of fuel, guess I need to revise the pricing tool, Solar costs more as of today!

I really wish I could sell as much in AZ, but thanks to the PUC colluding with the utilities, solar is too easy to sell here in CA. Batteries will be next as they switch TOU to peak being 5 - 10 pm, now that they convinced you to do all your chores in the evening to take the pressure off the grid :yikes
:champagne:

 

[CobraDave]

And they sell it like we will actually save money because we won't have to repair our cars anymore. Lol. Estimated that annually $700 is used to repair vehicles because of roads. Lol. What a load of shit.

 

[RodnJen]

Below is a title to an article in the Sac Bee that gives bit of history on the borrowing of gas tax along with what is proposed in the future. I couldn't seem to copy the link.

"Who?s telling the truth about California?s gas tax money? "

Many of you are correct, it is a regressive tax that will hit the poor the hardest. That strategy was popular during the last national election cycle, not so much now that it is a more of a reality.

To me this bill is a patch. Complete reform of how we tax and collect fees for CA roads is necessary. I would vote for a comprehensive overhaul that includes taxes and fees based on price, weight and miles driven for the vehicle and reduced/reformed taxes and fees on the fuel.

While I agree it is expensive to live here, I have no interest in leaving anytime soon.

 

[SummitKarl]

I am seriously embarrassed to have the Ca plate on my truck...AZ peeps must look at me and just shake their heads. LOL...

we do

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Have you noticed the news never even talks about Cap and Trade ? it's because it's pulling in so much money they can't hide and spend it fast enough .

Well companies are not even buying the credits at auction anymore.

 

[Taboma]

I'd be more than willing to pay the extra at the pump if it motivates millions of you to leave, don't let the door hit ya in the ass

We should also install toll booths at all points of entry, land, sea or air, requiring non-Californian residents to pay for admission. You want to enjoy our wonderful weather, beaches and mountains, pay up suckas :thumbsup

I'm a proud ole native and if I could get all you disgruntled assholes along with the illegals to leave, then I won't have to :grumble: :champagne:

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Below is a title to an article in the Sac Bee that gives bit of history on the borrowing of gas tax along with what is proposed in the future. I couldn't seem to copy the link.

"Who?s telling the truth about California?s gas tax money? "

Many of you are correct, it is a regressive tax that will hit the poor the hardest. That strategy was popular during the last national election cycle, not so much now that it is a more of a reality.

To me this bill is a patch. Complete reform of how we tax and collect fees for CA roads is necessary. I would vote for a comprehensive overhaul that includes taxes and fees based on price, weight and miles driven for the vehicle and reduced/reformed taxes and fees on the fuel.

While I agree it is expensive to live here, I have no interest in leaving anytime soon.

That again is regressive.. The poor and middle class typically drive very far to work.

 

[RitcheyRch]

price of everything going to go up.

4% sales tax increase on a gallon of diesel fuel

 

[FreeBird236]

I am seriously embarrassed to have the Ca plate on my truck...AZ peeps must look at me and just shake their heads. LOL...

No, actually have compassion, I finally reached a point in life I could get out, others aren't there yet.

 

[westair]

I'd be more than willing to pay the extra at the pump if it motivates millions of you to leave, don't let the door hit ya in the ass

We should also install toll booths at all points of entry, land, sea or air, requiring non-Californian residents to pay for admission. You want to enjoy our wonderful weather, beaches and mountains, pay up suckas :thumbsup

I'm a proud ole native and if I could get all you disgruntled assholes along with the illegals to leave, then I won't have to :grumble: :champagne:

The only problem is a lot of the people leaving are the ones with the money.... businesses.

 

[RodnJen]

That again is regressive.. The poor and middle class typically drive very far to work.

I agree but if anyone has a better idea, have at it.

 

[She's Mine]

Why leave? Fix the problem.
VOTE. JB doesn't act alone. The people that are voted in are letting you down. YOU can change the corrupt system. VOTE. Some of us because of family businesses can't leave. Drain the swamp in California.

I used to be optimistic like you but the fact is those with a brain and commonsense are out numbered by those that get support from the state and those that think everything is going in the right direction. I am born and raised here in So CA and have always wanted to stay here but now, I see the writing on the wall. Things continue to decline and they are starting to decline faster and faster without the possibility of changing. It sucks because this used to be the best place to live but now with personal taxes, gas taxes, business taxes, crime, illegals, and large companies moving out of state there really isn't anything left for us middle class.

 

[boatpi]

Everyone needs to realize two things about this bill .

1. $768 million of these taxes will be stolen to repay the money that they stole out of the gas tax and road fund over the last few years, this is money they put into the general fund to pay for some of the bond offset that they haven't got yet for the not a high-speed train to nowhere!!!

2. It's not 18 or $.20 per gallon excise tax sales tax, in California sales tax is placed upon the cost of the gas plus all taxes and fees. so add whatever local sales tax you have on top of the 18 or $.20 .

 

[bowtiejunkie]

Most of below has been posted, but here's a good summary from the bill and additional details.

1) Increases a number of taxes and fees for transportation purposes:
a) Increases the excise tax on gasoline by $0.12 per gallon, starting November 1, 2017.
b) Increases the excise tax on diesel fuel by $0.20 per gallon, starting November 1, 2017.
c) Increases the sales tax on diesel fuels by an additional 4% increment, starting November 1, 2017.
d) Creates a new annual Transportation Improvement Fee (TIF), starting January 1, 2018, based on the market value of the vehicle with the fee range described below:
i) $25 per year for vehicles with a market value of $0- $4,999;
ii) $50 per year for vehicles with a market value of $5,000 - $24,999;
iii) $100 per year for vehicles with a market value of $25,000 - $34,999;
iv) $150 per year for vehicles with a market value of $35,000 - $59,999; and,
v) $175 per year for vehicles with a market value of $60,000 and higher
e) Creates the Road Improvement Fee of $100 per vehicles for Zero-Emission Vehicles (ZEV)s, as defined, starting in 2020 for model year 2020 and later.
2) Eliminates, starting July 1, 2019, the annual adjustment required by the "Gas Tax Swap," of 2010, and instead imposes a more stable tax by re-establishing the Price Based Excise tax (PBET) at its original rate of $0.173 per gallon.
3) Requires that the tax rates and fees specified in this bill, other than the diesel sales tax, are adjusted annually based on the California Consumer Price Index (CPI).
4) Provides for the repayment of outstanding transportation loans from the General Fund totaling $706 million.

#3 is a nice kicker.

There seems to be a bunch of programs after item #4 that create more jobs with pensions or siphon off money for what is sure to be wasted in large amounts.

Has mentioned, this will be a wide-sweeping catalyst for pricing increases on everything. No amount of money is ever enough in this State.

State is a wreck racing to the bottom.

Link to Assembly Floor Analysis of Bill SB1: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB1#

 

[River Lynchmob]

Arizona is closed.... but, if you must come here, please leave your CA politics where they belong.

What if your CA politics align with AZ politics? There are a few of us that are still normal here.

 

[RodnJen]

Everyone needs to realize two things about this bill .

1. $768 million of these taxes will be stolen to repay the money that they stole out of the gas tax and road fund over the last few years, this is money they put into the general fund to pay for some of the bond offset that they haven't got yet for the not a high-speed train to nowhere!!!

2. It's not 18 or $.20 per gallon excise tax sales tax, in California sales tax is placed upon the cost of the gas plus all taxes and fees. so add whatever local sales tax you have on top of the 18 or $.20 .

Here is a more comprehensive breakdown.

https://www.boe.ca.gov/sptaxprog/tax_rates_stfd.htm#faq15

 

[Bigbore500r]

You guys are delusional if you think this money is going to fix the roads , this money is going to pensions and salaries ! $.80 of every dollar the state takes in , in taxes , goes back out to pensions and salaries ...and guess
what ? it's not sustainable . I too , am done with this state , my business is for sale and I'm counting down the days . It is the corrupt , inept , incompetent govt and the sheer mass of people in this state that have me wanting to flee ...and I've been in So Cal since 1956 !

I don't think anyone here thinks its going to fix the roads....its definately going to fund that train, and anything else they car cram under broad language of that bill.

I have a suggestion for them - Add 2 lanes to I40 ! Thats something I can get behind :thumbsup

 

[boatpi]

If enough people get pissed off this could change things. The mayor of San Diego was thinking of running for governor he's a Republican there is very much a moderate and for the most part Hispanics like him in that city .

 

[TeamGreene]

I agree but if anyone has a better idea, have at it.

Quit mismanaging the taxes that they already get. Only in government can you get away with this.

I wouldn't have a problem with it IF the money already taken was spent on and where it was intended but they are able to play with it like a shell game and we are the dupes that continually taken for a ride.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Sad.....

The California we once knew and loved is gone.

We are basically being held hostage by the weather and beach. I'm basically a Arizonian/Texan stuck here because of my job.

I always vote but every election the gap is widening not improving.

 

[Joker]

Thank goodness our home in ca is just for vacation use[emoji106]. I couldn't imagine paying those fees

 

[28skater]

Commercial vehicle CA # just went from 35.00 to 187.00 per year and they also want to add all light weight commercial stake-bed trucks to their Bit program so they can inspect your trucks and fine accordingly!

CHP fucking called me and want to schedule a best time for the inspection! Sorry my trucks are now for sale! Im done..:finger

 

[Bobby V]

Thank goodness our home in ca is just for vacation use[emoji106]. I couldn't imagine paying those fees

You don't buy gas when you are at work in CA. :headscratch:

 

[rivrrts429]

I agree but if anyone has a better idea, have at it.

Try using the current taxes to go directly to roads rather than politicians robbing it over and over for general fund (i.e. Pensions) purposes.

Have you ever seen a leopard change its spots? Never has any of these so-called road taxes been used for roads. They're immediately robbed to go towards other uses and yet all of a sudden you think this is the one that changes history?

Pretty easy to see how we've gotten to where we are with that dreamy approach.

 

[Taboma]

The only problem is a lot of the people leaving are the ones with the money.... businesses.

I can't disagree, eventually CA will become another Florida, amusement parks, well-healed retired and service industries.
I'm retired, but my younger wife still works, we could leave at any time, we have far more property investments in AZ than CA.

The company my wife works for, which treats her so well leaving would be ridiculous, has moved much of its manufacturing to other states.
She's been offered huge compensation to relocate there --- but there's no friggin way we're moving from San Diego to some place like Tupelo Ms.

So sure, there's numerous places we'd considering relocating to, but none of them seem attractive to businesses for the same reason CA isn't.

For the most part big business is relocating to depressed areas where they receive tons of incentives for doing so and labor is cheap.

As an example, I'd love to move to the west coast of Florida and do an AJ setup -- but that's not where these businesses fleeing CA are going.

We've loved vacationing and playing at Havasu for over 20 years, but I have no real desire to live there full time. Plus, after 20 years we're getting kinda bored with the lake and activities. It's time to move on, just struggling with where to go next.

 

[LhcBrad]

If anyone wants to move to Northern Idaho I am a Real Estate Agent in the Coeur D' Alene area. I am more then happy to find you a nice house. We have brand new homes here in the low $200000 range. Want a nice lake front home? (small lake) I can get you one for $300,000 Want a nice home with a shop? $295,000 I can find you what you want. Feel free to browse my website www.BradHogan.com

 

[SCV2RVR]

I wonder if California wonders why there is huge investments in areas like Mohave Valley and not 10 miles away in Needles.

DOT Food just broke ground on a new distribution center and will have an annual payroll of $6.8 million to $8 million

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_8399ddf8-1aa4-11e7-a2fc-572721d4c609.html

Another Wal Mart is about to open up in Fort Mohave. There will be 2 Wal Mart's in the Bullhead City area and Zero in nearby California.

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_e65e940e-0d14-11e6-964b-cb1b17454b68.html

 

[Bobby V]

I wonder if California wonders why there is huge investments in areas like Mohave Valley and not 10 miles away in Needles.

Needles has investors with plans to build huuuuggeeee warehouses and buildings since they passed the new ordinance. My buddy is on one of the city boards and is thinking of buying local houses and renting them for the new employees that will be coming.

 

[LHC30]

Hate to say "I told ya so" but today, on this news, we are trasferring ALL our vehicles to AZ registration, and they will be in the name of the wife who is now working FULLY in AZ...


FU JERRY BROWN AND KEVIN DeLeon..:finger:finger:finger:finger

And I can buy all the guns I want :beer

 

[SCV2RVR]

Needles has investors with plans to build huuuuggeeee warehouses and buildings since they passed the new ordinance. My buddy is on one of the city boards and is thinking of buying local houses and renting them for the new employees that will be coming.

True, Needles might end up as the weed capital of California very shortly.

They are already building the warehouses next to Paradise Storage and the 40 freeway.

But I am sure if Arizona had the same laws on Marijuana as California does, those warehouses would be right next to the new Wal Mart!

 

[River Lynchmob]

I'd be more than willing to pay the extra at the pump if it motivates millions of you to leave, don't let the door hit ya in the ass

We should also install toll booths at all points of entry, land, sea or air, requiring non-Californian residents to pay for admission. You want to enjoy our wonderful weather, beaches and mountains, pay up suckas :thumbsup

I'm a proud ole native and if I could get all you disgruntled assholes along with the illegals to leave, then I won't have to :grumble: :champagne:

Get the illegals to leave and most of the problems are solved. The rest would be solved at the voting booths.

 

[spectra3279]

I'd be more than willing to pay the extra at the pump if it motivates millions of you to leave, don't let the door hit ya in the ass

We should also install toll booths at all points of entry, land, sea or air, requiring non-Californian residents to pay for admission. You want to enjoy our wonderful weather, beaches and mountains, pay up suckas :thumbsup

I'm a proud ole native and if I could get all you disgruntled assholes along with the illegals to leave, then I won't have to :grumble: :champagne:

You won't be able to afford to grumble. They will just raise the taxes more to account for the taxable income leaving

 

[regor]

Get the illegals to leave and most of the problems are solved. The rest would be solved at the voting booths.

The problems are the public unions and their machine of "getting out the vote", not to mention not enough people who have a clue in this state. At a certain point, people start to pay attention and this thread is a great example of that. When I first joined this place, hardly anyone gave a shit, now not so much.

I don't know that it's fixable, without a complete fiscal collapse.

 

[River Lynchmob]

The problems are the public unions and their machine of "getting out the vote", not to mention not enough people who have a clue in this state. At a certain point, people start to pay attention and this thread is a great example of that. When I first joined this place, hardly anyone gave a shit, now not so much.

I don't know that it's fixable, without a complete fiscal collapse.

Agreed...i was just providing a simple answer but it would be anything but simple to implement. You are correct CA will have to end up like Detroit for anything to change.

 

[Bobby V]

Hey Californians! We need some cash to fix your roads! I know we've already added fee's to vehicle registration and as to cover road repairs and infastructure, but we've robbed that money for other things so we're just gonna ask for the following:

-$25 - $175 added to your yearly vehicle registration depeding on the value of the vehicle.
-.12 cents per gallon added to gasoline
-.20 cents per gallon added to diesel

.....But wait, there's more!

Drive an electric car? Thanks for doing that - but fuck you too! Were gonna add an additional $100 to your registration (on top of that $175 we're adding already) since we cant get gas tax out of you.

The projected $ 5.2 Billion to be generated annually sure comes close to covering the out of control bullet train project.....

Happy Friday everyone

Fixed it for you in red.

 

[boatpi]

And remember if you're in Los Angeles county they just voted a sales tax increase support all of this on top of that

 

[RodnJen]

Try using the current taxes to go directly to roads rather than politicians robbing it over and over for general fund (i.e. Pensions) purposes.

Have you ever seen a leopard change its spots? Never has any of these so-called road taxes been used for roads. They're immediately robbed to go towards other uses and yet all of a sudden you think this is the one that changes history?

Pretty easy to see how we've gotten to where we are with that dreamy approach.

Really, never? I understand your frustration but that simply isn't true.

 

[CobraDave]

And in February the law makers proposed a law making health and dental free to all Californians. No copays or anything. Why not!![emoji35][emoji849][emoji375]

 

[Ziggy]

Fucking Brown:grumble:Thief.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Fixed it for you in red.

Oh that makes it better....
Wait - the $25 is for vehicles worth between $1 and $4,999......
Stop justifying it! Lol

 

[rivrrts429]

Really, never? I understand your frustration but that simply isn't true.

Which one of us is more likely to be accurate once this thing plays out?

The best predictor of the future is the past. Just like the utility corruption of the 90's and public schools and lottery money of the 80's, this deal will be squandered like those before it.

I hope you're right, Rod. I will bump this thread and fall on my sword if even 65% finds it's way to highway work. This one doesn't spell change in the slightest to me.

 

[Bigbore500r]

And remember if you're in Los Angeles county they just voted a sales tax increase support all of this on top of that

Yep - we're gonna entice more homeless to come here to the Mecca, and then give them some nice roads to sleep on :eek

 

[Bobby V]

Oh that makes it better....
Wait - the $25 is for vehicles worth between $1 and $4,999......
Stop justifying it! Lol

Good for my 2003 Tahoe. Not so good for my 2015 Vette. My other 3 vehicles are AZ. :thumbsup

 

[River Lynchmob]

Just real quick math between the new gas taxes and truck registration its going to cost us about $20k more a year. :finger Jerry!!!

 

[HST4ME]

Good job tards!

 

[Forensic]

I'm not reading 10 pages to see if this was asked. Don't we have to have a 66.6% vote on tax increases or is that just for new taxes?

 

[Bobby V]

I'm not reading 10 pages to see if this was asked. Don't we have to have a 66.6% vote on tax increases or is that just for new taxes?

27-11 in the senate..Just made it thru.
54-26 in the assembly

 

[was thatguy]

I'd be more than willing to pay the extra at the pump if it motivates millions of you to leave, don't let the door hit ya in the ass

We should also install toll booths at all points of entry, land, sea or air, requiring non-Californian residents to pay for admission. You want to enjoy our wonderful weather, beaches and mountains, pay up suckas :thumbsup

I'm a proud ole native and if I could get all you disgruntled assholes along with the illegals to leave, then I won't have to :grumble: :champagne:

Lol...you've already been paying almost a buck extra at the pump.

 

[was thatguy]

Good for my 2003 Tahoe. Not so good for my 2015 Vette. My other 3 vehicles are AZ. :thumbsup

I both marvel at your hypocrisy, yet respect the strategy...

Flexible morals can be beneficial...

How's the pension doing?

 

[Rajobigguy]

We just sent 50 cruise missiles to Syria, couldn't we have saved at least one for Sacramento.