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Our boat spent the night on the bottom about 200 yards downriver from Water Wheel about 30 years ago. First thing when it got back on the trailer Sunday morning was to pull the plugs and turn it over by hand, while the boat was still on the ramp. Next step was to the gas station in Blythe to fill er up with diesel on the way back to OC. Engine came out that night and was taken apart and cleaned up. Back at Water Wheel the next weekend. No problems.
 

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When I had a low freeboard boat I would always try to park on the inside of the docks at Roadrunner or foxes and in the slips behind pirates ... I saw the guy dragging the strip with his ballast full in the red wakeboard boat all weekend and it about threw my magic on the dock at roadrunner I can imagine what it could do to a smaller boat .
 

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Its mindblowing that someone can be that clueless/inconsiderate.I witnessed a pontoon being towed with 6 peeps on it..Some brainiac in rollbar cruised by(full ballast),leaving a HUGE roller.Pontoon went up, dipped down and rolled over.A miracle we fished everyone out...It was one of those "WTF just happened?" moments...
 

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This is becoming a problem more and more these days. There has to be something that can be done to stop this. In addition to sinking boats, it has to be washing away beaches (what few there are), damaging docks, and even damaging boats that are moored.

I don't have an answer other than complaining to the law enforcement agencies and pulling over every dipshit that is throwing a 4ft wake for no reason. I don't understand how it became ok to have 21ft boats sink from 1 wake over the transom and tipping pontoon boats that are under way! WTF?
 
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My family has been boating at Bullards Bar in NorCal since the new dam was built ( over 40 years)
I can remember when the water was a rich emerald blue color , now it looks like a green with milky silt added to it ... Roll bar/Tower boats have screwed it up..You're lucky Parker
is a river and it all goes down stream..

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There needs to be a law passed with these tower boats and the size of the wake they put off, for us little guys out there it can turn a nice cruise into a battle with the river trying to keep the nose above water, bruises all over the girls, and some busy ass bilge pumps. Personally I think tower boats are gayer than seadoos, just as clueless and much more destructive.
 
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cordless drill and a few modifications to the bottom will help his ballast, what an asshat!
 

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There needs to be a law passed with these tower boats and the size of the wake they put off, for us little guys out there it can turn a nice cruise into a battle with the river trying to keep the nose above water, bruises all over the girls, and some busy ass bilge pumps. Personally I think tower boats are gayer than seadoos, just as clueless and much more destructive.

The law already states the operator is responsible for damages caused by their wake... just have to prove it was them.
 

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Cant stand the wakeboard crowd and their ballast crap.This is the main exampl why they seem to only care about their wake that they can jump over and move on.

Theres a time and place for them just not on a narrow waterway.Wil remind me to keep a camera on for any wake board boat approaching in the distance just to be sure to record it in case it causes any damage.Without proof i bet its hard to put blame even though you already know who did it.
 
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The law already states the operator is responsible for damages caused by their wake... just have to prove it was them.



That's a lot of money for the average Joe and the odds are stacked against you. Too much circumstantial evidence and would take a decent group of witnesses to take the time off away from their everyday lives to stick with the case. It's the kind of scenario that only attorney's benefit from. I'm afraid that nothing will ever come of it until one of these boats sinks a fire/rescue or LE boat.
 

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I'm definately not disputing the wake size of some of the wakeboard boats, but i got to say some of the bigger wakes i've crossed, and seen roll the docks, came from flatbottom vdrives and daycruisers when they were just cruising at a slower speed.
 

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I'm definately not disputing the wake size of some of the wakeboard boats, but i got to say some of the bigger wakes i've crossed, and seen roll the docks, came from flatbotton vdrives and daycruisers when they were rolling at a slower speed.


That's a stretch but even if your experience is accurate it's only when coming off plane or getting on plane. That's pretty much every boat and totally understandable. Not much you can do to change that.

The rollbar/wake boats have wakes that only grow in size and are designed to maximize the most wake. When cruising around with full ballasts and not towing anyone you're making a conscious decision to create the largest wake possible for no benefit but your own ego or lack of common sense and courtesy.
 

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That's a stretch but even if your experience is accurate it's only when coming off plane or getting on plane. That's pretty much every boat and totally understandable. Not much you can do to change that.

The rollbar/wake boats have wakes that only grow in size and are designed to maximize the most wake. When cruising around with full ballasts and not towing anyone you're making a conscious decision to create the largest wake possible for no benefit but your own ego or lack of common sense and courtesy.

Like i said, i wasn't disputing the wakes from wake boats. I've spent plenty of time in one. Alot of owners have no idea what they are causing in their wake(pun intended:D). Definetly a lack of education there.

Whether its coming on and off plane or slow cruising, as i have experienced, its still a wake?

At the end of they day, i was always extra cautious and i really can't remember me ever having a real problem. On a busy summer weekend, or holiday, i would never tie up on the outside docks of a bar or anywhere else. I would atleast try for the inside or just not do it.
 

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Like i said, i wasn't disputing the wakes from wake boats. I've spent plenty of time in one. Alot of owners have no idea what they are causing in their wake(pun intended:D). Definetly a lack of education there.

Whether its coming on and off plane or slow cruising, as i have experienced, its still a wake?

At the end of they day, i was always extra cautious and i really can't remember me ever having a real problem. On a busy summer weekend, or holiday, i would never tie up on the outside docks of a bar or anywhere else. I would atleast try for the inside or just not do it.

Agreed :thumbsup


I just read your Pokey quote in your sig and can't stop laughing :D:thumbup:
 

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Yeah the fire boat ! At lake Nacimiento I was beached in a 18 ft runner bottom when the fire debt boat decided it was time to go . The wake picked my boat up and put it 90 percent on the beach . Had it not landed on the beach it would of Gone to the bottom it filled the boat 75 percent full .
 

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Like i said, i wasn't disputing the wakes from wake boats. I've spent plenty of time in one. Alot of owners have no idea what they are causing in their wake(pun intended:D). Definetly a lack of education there.

Whether its coming on and off plane or slow cruising, as i have experienced, its still a wake?

At the end of they day, i was always extra cautious and i really can't remember me ever having a real problem. On a busy summer weekend, or holiday, i would never tie up on the outside docks of a bar or anywhere else. I would atleast try for the inside or just not do it.

So, 5 seconds to get on or off plane versus cruising for an hour at a time is the same? You are forgetting the fact that all speed boats get on and off plane, so all thats left is the wake created while plowing water trying to look cool, which behind a flat there is virtually none.
 

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So, 5 seconds to get on or off plane versus cruising for an hour at a time is the same? You are forgetting the fact that all speed boats get on and off plane, so all thats left is the wake created while plowing water trying to look cool, which behind a flat there is virtually none.

So what if ANY boat swamps another boat with its wake? What does it matter if the boat is moving for 5 seconds or an hour at a time?

Is the boat coming on or off plane not responsible just because it only created a big wake for 5 seconds?
 

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What Roll bar boat operators don't understand is that their boats are a displacement hull when the ballasts are full and the wedge is down. Spending some years on the Ohio River with very large cruisers, if a 42 Carver was rolling up on a restaurant with boats tied to it and wasn't slowing down to an idle, they were getting a flare shot across their bow! I think it is first off common courtesy to steer clear of the docks when rolling hard if your boat throws a huge wake. .

I also can't stand the fact that I have to come off of plane when I pass a wake boat because their wakes are so large and they aren't even towing. If they are towing a wakeboard or wake surfer that is one thing but to drive around the lake or river plowing for no reason is another!! Some states actually passed laws that require that their ballast tanks be unplugged. Home owners on the lakes complained that they were ruining their docks.

I've had some choice words with a few of these types of boat operators on the water before and the usual response is "sorry bro" :)

I see this as an ever growing issue with wake board boat manufacturers year over year coming up with better "gizmos" to make larger wakes. I saw a new Tige this year that had giant vertical plates that just dropped straight down off of the transom to create a larger wake, what's next?!
 

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First off I'm really sorry about your boat, it sucks to see a boat down in any situation. And We are all responsible for the damage our wakes cause to others property, I hope you find the guy if that is what happened.

Ok let's get a couple facts straight. As I own what some of you so affectionately call a roll bar boat. The boats are not putting up 5' rollers, I wish there was a way to do this as it would make such a launch ramp while riding it would be awesome. The wakes are big, but let's be realistic.

It's not just wake boats causing big wakes, the wakes from some or your boats put out are just as big when you slow to 10mph. Whether it is the idiot in a bayliner or eliminator or Malibu cruising by roadrunner plowing at 10mph, they're all guilty. I watch in the keys as the guys with the 30' boats don't understand what a no wake zone is bashing every boat against docks as they cruise. You know it happens. Same for high speed passes 40+mph buzzes of roadrunners because it's cool?

There are inconsiderate a holes within every group of boat owners, not just wakeboats. Same goes for the big boats that cruise the keys at 2am and the engine is louder than an airplane, with music blasting. Ask them to turn it down or slow down only to get a "fuck you" in return. Personally that doesn't bother me, but I know it bothers some.

The problem is not wakeboat owners, the problem is inconsiderate pricks wonder cluelessly around the water ways.

And I would love to see the evidence that wakeboats caused the lake to change colors. Show me the environmental study to prove it and I will say ok, you're right, but until then, there are A LOT of boats on the water. ALL OF US need to be aware of everything going on and be courteous to all.


So I'll ask this. Other than trying to get everyone to be a courteous boat owner, what is the answer? You say more police on the water, people get mad, then at the same time complain there are no police around for incidents like this.
 

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First off I'm really sorry about your boat, it sucks to see a boat down in any situation. And We are all responsible for the damage our wakes cause to others property, I hope you find the guy if that is what happened.

Ok let's get a couple facts straight. As I own what some of you so affectionately call a roll bar boat. The boats are not putting up 5' rollers, I wish there was a way to do this as it would make such a launch ramp while riding it would be awesome. The wakes are big, but let's be realistic.

It's not just wake boats causing big wakes, the wakes from some or your boats put out are just as big when you slow to 10mph. Whether it is the idiot in a bayliner or eliminator or Malibu cruising by roadrunner plowing at 10mph, they're all guilty. I watch in the keys as the guys with the 30' boats don't understand what a no wake zone is bashing every boat against docks as they cruise. You know it happens. Same for high speed passes 40+mph buzzes of roadrunners because it's cool?

There are inconsiderate a holes within every group of boat owners, not just wakeboats. Same goes for the big boats that cruise the keys at 2am and the engine is louder than an airplane, with music blasting. Ask them to turn it down or slow down only to get a "fuck you" in return. Personally that doesn't bother me, but I know it bothers some.

The problem is not wakeboat owners, the problem is inconsiderate pricks wonder cluelessly around the water ways.

And I would love to see the evidence that wakeboats caused the lake to change colors. Show me the environmental study to prove it and I will say ok, you're right, but until then, there are A LOT of boats on the water. ALL OF US need to be aware of everything going on and be courteous to all.


So I'll ask this. Other than trying to get everyone to be a courteous boat owner, what is the answer? You say more police on the water, people get mad, then at the same time complain there are no police around for incidents like this.

I think the answer is banning all the roll bar boats to their own small out of the way lakes where they can make as big of wake as they want:thumbsup:D
 

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So what if ANY boat swamps another boat with its wake? What does it matter if the boat is moving for 5 seconds or an hour at a time?

Is the boat coming on or off plane not responsible just because it only created a big wake for 5 seconds?

Nope, you missed the point. All boats make a wake. Everyone is responsible for their wake. I think we agree on that. The issue is that the probability of doing damage increases dramatically when you take the monster wake with you and drive around thinking you look cool.
 

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Wake boats gets the water tues, thurs, and sat. Fast boats wed, fri, sun, everyone else can have Monday :). Except jet skies, they're banned all together
 

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I'll will chime in with simply stating there are Asshats in every "group" but there are also the uneducated. Your wake causes damage to a moored boat it's on you. I would be willing to bet $$ that the majority have zero idea that's the case.

My flat bottom went down in front of the Riverside Casio as I floated down river trying to resolve a running problem. Casino toon loaded heavy went hauling ass by just maybe 50' away and swamped me. I was all gun ho to sue and they, as it turns out, have every right to motor as do you. Now moored is a different story. Fortunately the boat went ass down in 4' of water and we were able to stand there until I could get hooked up, pulled forward, and bailed out.
 

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Operator ignorance is the issue.....All boats make wakes of some sort. It's the operator's responsibility to control them and make sure they aren't effecting other boats or docks or property adversely.

We have to share the water and if we allow the idiots to make a mess of things, laws and rules we damned sure don't need will spoil it all for everyone.

In my experience on all types of bodies of water across the country, I've seen questionable boat operators pulling stunts of pure stupidity. Sadly it's tough to get the message to ignorant offenders. Maybe we need to police our own and take down registration numbers, times, and places and have somewhere to post this information and find a way to get it in front of the offenders. Some neutral clearing house that can access addresses for the Reg Nos and send a note? I just think we need a way to do something without getting LE involved to the detriment of our on the water freedoms.....Post wake awareness signs everywhere around operating areas, ramps, stores, etc could help. But it's just damned hard to fix stupid
 

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Do we really need more laws....a lot of boats have roll bars these days including some customs.....I don't see how laws fix stupid just cast a larger net for smart and stupid people.
 

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You guys ever encountered horrible uneducated drivers on the road??? Some of those same people own boats I bet. Careless, uneducated, and inconsiderate people are the problem.
 

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I know there are a lot of d bags that drive wake boats and give us all a bad name. I've always owned a wakeboat, but grew up on jets, so I know what can happen. I always try to be considerate to others around me and know what my wake can do. I hate getting lumped into the a holes that give wake boats a bad name. But as mentioned, every group of boat has those owners.

We even argue. About it on the Malibucrew website. Those of us that Say we need to be respectful to all and those that say if you're on the water you need to deal with wakes. Those are the idiots that will get us all I trouble.

I'm surprised in this day and age, nobody had a camera out and snapped a picture of the boat responsible. I'd love to see them held accountable
 

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There is just something that rubs me the wrong way about boats being made with accessories to create a bigger wake. How is that ok?? I understand the reason, but when it isn't being used for that purpose and starts creating damage to other property we have a problem.

I guess more 20ft + boats need to get swamped and sink before LE steps in and does something about it. The sheriff will pull you over for driving on the wrong side of the river, why can they pull these guys over for cruising up and down the river with full ballast sacks and vertical tabs all the way down for no reason? A simple warning might go a long way. If they see them doing it again, slap em with a ticket.
 

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I know there are a lot of d bags that drive wake boats and give us all a bad name. I've always owned a wakeboat, but grew up on jets, so I know what can happen. I always try to be considerate to others around me and know what my wake can do. I hate getting lumped into the a holes that give wake boats a bad name. But as mentioned, every group of boat has those owners.

We even argue. About it on the Malibucrew website. Those of us that Say we need to be respectful to all and those that say if you're on the water you need to deal with wakes. Those are the idiots that will get us all I trouble.

I'm surprised in this day and age, nobody had a camera out and snapped a picture of the boat responsible. I'd love to see them held accountable

No camara out while I hit the 5 plus foot wake....BS that these wakes arnt 5 foot. I was launched by this guy. He was oblivious and I agree there are a few responsible wake boat drivers but the vast majority are just ignorant and oblivious. It is not even just the wakes....the music blasting techno or rap with every other word is fuck.

Sorry you have been lumped into this group, but I'd check the mirror....don't fool yourself.
 

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First off to the owner of the Cole really sorry about your boat. I think I'd throw up if I ever saw my boat under water. Have you got it back and running?

Secondly there are asshole drivers in all kinds of boats. Wakeboard boats throw a decent wake sure. How about the chaparrals? Those bad boys throw a mean wake. A 30ft hallett will throw a mean wake at 15 mph nose to the sky as well.
I agree that wakeboard boats do not need to be cruising the water with sacks full when they aren't towing anyone. But if you watch a wakeboard boat actually drive on plane say over 30mph the wake really isn't that bad. I ski behind a buddy's tower boat and it's wake is bigger than a 21 vector but it's no bigger than a 25 deep v.

The big issue at hand with all boaters is common sense and courtesy. I see all kinds of boats on the water driving not quite on plane just plowing the water without a care in the world. And the expression on their face really comes off as if they have no idea the issue they are causing with their wake. Not sure how you educate someone without it becoming a pissing match on who's right. Whenever I go out on the water with a new boater I always try to let them know they need to be conscience of their wake and to try to minimize it as much as possible.
 

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Those who are claiming 5 foot wakes. Are you sure your not exaggerating a hair??
 

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Those who are claiming 5 foot wakes. Are you sure your not exaggerating a hair??

If anything they were bigger than 5foot! This guy wasn't only full ballast he wasn't Close to plane speed!
 

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There is just something that rubs me the wrong way about boats being made with accessories to create a bigger wake. How is that ok?? I understand the reason, but when it isn't being used for that purpose and starts creating damage to other property we have a problem.

I guess more 20ft + boats need to get swamped and sink before LE steps in and does something about it. The sheriff will pull you over for driving on the wrong side of the river, why can they pull these guys over for cruising up and down the river with full ballast sacks and vertical tabs all the way down for no reason? A simple warning might go a long way. If they see them doing it again, slap em with a ticket.

A warning from law enforcement would go a long way I think.
 

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Case in point, that same weekend there was another Roll Bar, redish-orange with the most ugliest "Affliction style" wrap, did a slow speed drive past Road Runner with full ballast and whatever else he had going on. He was probably 12-15 feet away from the dock. (Yes the music was bumping and the drivers flat bill was bobbin). Clearly a "check me out bro" drive by. My buddy and I were sitting at the bar when the bartender said "watch out". We look back to see this roller come up the dock, bounce off the bar knocking over a few empty bar stools. A few bikers were not too happy that their leathers were now soaked. We get to talking to the bartender about this incident, she said the owner has estimates for $200,000 to fix the dock correctly for once and to be strong enough to handle these type incidents and the strong current in that area. She did say in the last few years, damage to the dock has been accelerated due to stupid boat owners that pull stuff like that. :thumbsdown
 

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If anything they were bigger than 5foot! This guy wasn't only full ballast he wasn't Close to plane speed!

That's sux. Guess I've been lucky to not ever cross a boat wake that was over my head. I really think the driving off plane is the issue more than the fat sacks. Figure that same boat driving off plane sacks empty but boat full of people you're probably pretty close in weight
 

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Those who are claiming 5 foot wakes. Are you sure your not exaggerating a hair??

Maybe a little, but not by much. 21ft boat with 24" of freeboard and a wave crashes up 2ft past the back of the engine hatch. Do the math.
 

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Case in point, that same weekend there was another Roll Bar, redish-orange with the most ugliest "Affliction style" wrap, did a slow speed drive past Road Runner with full ballast and whatever else he had going on. He was probably 12-15 feet away from the dock. (Yes the music was bumping and the drivers flat bill was bobbin). Clearly a "check me out bro" drive by. My buddy and I were sitting at the bar when the bartender said "watch out". We look back to see this roller come up the dock, bounce off the bar knocking over a few empty bar stools. A few bikers were not too happy that their leathers were now soaked. We get to talking to the bartender about this incident, she said the owner has estimates for $200,000 to fix the dock correctly for once and to be strong enough to handle these type incidents and the strong current in that area. She did say in the last few years, damage to the dock has been accelerated due to stupid boat owners that pull stuff like that. :thumbsdown

I think that was the same boat! It was around 2-3 on Saturday that he slowly cruised by pirate toward RR.
 

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Case in point, that same weekend there was another Roll Bar, redish-orange with the most ugliest "Affliction style" wrap, did a slow speed drive past Road Runner with full ballast and whatever else he had going on. He was probably 12-15 feet away from the dock. (Yes the music was bumping and the drivers flat bill was bobbin). Clearly a "check me out bro" drive by. My buddy and I were sitting at the bar when the bartender said "watch out". We look back to see this roller come up the dock, bounce off the bar knocking over a few empty bar stools. A few bikers were not too happy that their leathers were now soaked. We get to talking to the bartender about this incident, she said the owner has estimates for $200,000 to fix the dock correctly for once and to be strong enough to handle these type incidents and the strong current in that area. She did say in the last few years, damage to the dock has been accelerated due to stupid boat owners that pull stuff like that. :thumbsdown

If more places like the Roadrunner and Foxes would step up and start making noise about this, I bet the La Paz police would start looking at it a little closer. Getting knocked off your bar stool and falling in the water is not too far fetched. Seen plenty of drunks fall off and take a swim, but that's another story.
 

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Why would anyone fill the ballast and throw down tabs if you aren't pulling a skier/board.
Seems like a big waste of fuel.
 

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I came real close to getting swamped in my flat one day floating up by the dam. A fisherman in some sort of bass boat came up behind me not quite up on plane. I saw what was coming and got my shit in gear and running just as the roller was coming over the transom, sense I was moving, I chased the guy down and he was clueless as to why I was pissed! Its not just wake boats, some of the twin engine boats in Parker are tough enough to get around! Its for those reasons and a few others that I stopped going on weekends, weekdays kick ass still!!! I doubt anything will change whats going on :rolleyes
 

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I do not want to see more laws. I would like to see the manufacturers of wake boats step up and educate the not so smart dumb ass buyers. Its just like letting a first time boat buyer buying a 80 mph + or any type of boat just go out and have know idea what to do. wont help in the used market, though. I have seen someone try to back a @#$%^ down the ramp for 15 minutes before I went up to them and helped them. For the money they are charging for any new boat, a little courtesy or a test drive with the do's and don't should be made. I have been almost swamped and hit by just floating down river by all types of boats.
 

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If anything they were bigger than 5foot! This guy wasn't only full ballast he wasn't Close to plane speed!

Okay, to lay some of the myth to rest. No one is arguing that wakeboats do not make large wakes, but to the extent you are talking about is a little off base. 5'? Really This is a 21' boat with about 4k total ballast at 10mph. A female rider who is maybe 5'4. You tell me that the wave coming off the boat is 5'.

And 4k is an extreme amount of ballast, extra ballast added to stock. Most do not run this amount
 
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Had a friend of a friend take his newly redone jet boat out of windsor.He stopped just outside the buoy line to check on something with the boat.Two large performance boats passed on either side of him at close range and the boat swamped and sank in about five seconds.Four people in his boat with the bimini up.Luckily no one got tangled up and they were all clear of the boat when it sank.He had to hire a spotter plane and salvage guy to locate and retrieve the boat.These are just stupid people who do this kind of shit and more needs to be done to hold them responsible.I think if you see some douchebag doing this kind of shit make an effort to get registration numbers and witnesses to the douchebaggery and report them.
 

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:headscratch:

Why would anyone fill the ballast and throw down tabs if you aren't pulling a skier/board.
Seems like a big waste of fuel.

There's no answer to questioning the stupidity of these idiots. Some even no they're fucking things up.

Years a ago I knew a Capt that ran a 80' crewboat and carried shift workers back and forth to a close shore oil rig. He docked the boat a short ways up a river off the Intercoastal Waterway. He thought it great sport to put out a wake that would wash tackle boxes and coolers off the bank where folks were fishing. One day he took a couple rounds into the wheelhouse from a pissed off fisherman armed with a deer rifle......Scared shit out of him and he learned his laughs weren't being shared.:yikes

Sometimes these people are so stupid, that getting their ass kicked or almost killed is the only thing that wakes 'em up.:rolleyes
 

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Okay, to lay some of the myth to rest. No one is arguing that wakeboats do not make large wakes, but to the extent you are talking about is a little off base. 5'? Really This is a 21' boat with about 4k total ballast at 10mph. A female rider who is maybe 5'4. You tell me that the wave coming off the boat is 5'.

And 4k is an extreme amount of ballast, extra ballast added to stock. Most do not run this amount

I bet at the deepest spot where the boat is digging the hole to the top of the roller is closer to 5' than you think.
 
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Okay, to lay some of the myth to rest. No one is arguing that wakeboats do not make large wakes, but to the extent you are talking about is a little off base. 5'? Really This is a 21' boat with about 4k total ballast at 10mph. A female rider who is maybe 5'4. You tell me that the wave coming off the boat is 5'.

And 4k is an extreme amount of ballast, extra ballast added to stock. Most do not run this amount

The problem is adding aftermarket equipment to deliberately create a larger wake than what a factory vessel would have under "normal" operation. I don't care if it is 1' higher or 5' higher, you are deliberately creating unsafe operating conditions for other boaters whether you're towing a wakeboarder or not. Plus the possible damage to boats mooring at a dock. Just so you can pull a triple Lindy on a wake board. To top it off the majority of wakeboarders IMO Don't have enough talent to "need" a larger wake. It is inconsiderate to plow or not be on plane on a narrow river like Parker. Even the dummy's in bayliners 5' off RR that don't know any better.

IMO if you want use your ballast and make big wakes you should be up on Havasu, mead,Mohave or any other lake where there is a larger area of water for the rollers you create to dissipate and not create so much havoc like it does on a river. Or, take up a real water sport, like water skiing ! Lol :D
 
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