Beautiful Cole sinks at Pirate

[CampbellCarl]

The problem is adding aftermarket equipment to deliberately create a larger wake than what a factory vessel would have under "normal" operation. I don't care if it is 1' higher or 5' higher, you are deliberately creating unsafe operating conditions for other boaters whether you're towing a wakeboarder or not. Plus the possible damage to boats mooring at a dock. Just so you can pull a triple Lindy on a wake board. To top it off the majority of wakeboarders IMO Don't have enough talent to "need" a larger wake. It is inconsiderate to plow or not be on plane on a narrow river like Parker. Even the dummy's in bayliners 5' off RR that don't know any better.

IMO if you want use your ballast and make big wakes you should be up on Havasu, mead,Mohave or any other lake where there is a larger area of water for the rollers you create to dissipate and not create so much havoc like it does on a river. Or, take up a real water sport, like water skiing ! Lol

No fuckin' way I want that shit on my lake......leave it in Parker............

 

[squirtnmyload]

I love this place

How the hell is everyone assuming that these people always have "full ballast"?

Malibus sit low and nose down in the water without it, and i've been swamped in one by fuckin bayliners.

 

[Hammer]

No fuckin' way I want that shit on my lake......leave it in Parker............

Oh C'mon Carl, won't be any worse than going across the Basin on a windy afternoon !

 

[Hammer]

I love this place

How the hell is everyone assuming that these people always have "full ballast"?

Malibus sit low and nose down in the water without it, and i've been swamped in one by fuckin bayliners.

According to multiple reports the boat in question was running full ballast.

 

[CampbellCarl]

I love this place

How the hell is everyone assuming that these people always have "full ballast"?

Malibus sit low and nose down in the water without it, and i've been swamped in one by fuckin bayliners.

We also assume that RD has had a few beers and is OK to do so while behind the wheel of his Schiada....it is what it is...

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Hammer, I'm on point with you. I own a Nautique and love my watersports, I do it all, airchair, surf, wakeskate, wakeboard, and even slalom. This picture is my boat unloaded at 1900RPM which is about 20mph. A talented rider doesn't require the monster wake, some of these guys just push it too far with the size of the wakes. Remember my boat is basically a flat bottom, lake wakes screw my day up as much as the next guy and I own a rollbar boat!

 

[squirtnmyload]

According to multiple reports the boat in question was running full ballast.

And people know this just by the boat driving by? Lol

I agree with yore're post about most of the cocksuckers not even good enough for a giant wake. A friend of mine who gave up pro wakeboarding to fly planes can do any trick he wants off of any boat, regardless of it having a tower, wedge, ballast, etc

 

[Wakebrdr94]

The problem is adding aftermarket equipment to deliberately create a larger wake than what a factory vessel would have under "normal" operation. I don't care if it is 1' higher or 5' higher, you are deliberately creating unsafe operating conditions for other boaters whether you're towing a wakeboarder or not. Plus the possible damage to boats mooring at a dock. Just so you can pull a triple Lindy on a wake board. To top it off the majority of wakeboarders IMO Don't have enough talent to "need" a larger wake. It is inconsiderate to plow or not be on plane on a narrow river like Parker. Even the dummy's in bayliners 5' off RR that don't know any better.

IMO if you want use your ballast and make big wakes you should be up on Havasu, mead,Mohave or any other lake where there is a larger area of water for the rollers you create to dissipate and not create so much havoc like it does on a river. Or, take up a real water sport, like water skiing ! Lol

I agree that many add more ballast than they need because they can barely clear the wake, absolutely. However, that wake is far from 5' If i start on the swimstep, it is no where near that high. Even I slow down in my boat for wake from other boats, maybe others should learn to as well. The point is it's ALL boats. The 30' Daytona, the 28' chaparelle, whatever, they all produce wakes. Some just as big or bigger than the boat in the video produces, and those are made without ballast. We have an 18' '76 Charger as well, grew up with it, totally different game driving that boat. I hear what some of you are saying.

I'm going to play devils advocate for a moment. Suppose things go in the opposite direction. Suppose some knuckle head in office says flat bottoms are unsafe in certain areas because of lack of freeboard? Easily swamped, children not allowed, whatever lame thing they want to claim, what then? You can't restrict wakeboats purely on wakesize as other boats do just as much damage naturally because of their size. And in all seriousness, for some moron in office to come up with something like this in the name of "safety" is not out of the realm of possibility

And i grew up skiing, gave it up for a more challenging sport lol

I will say this, when we ride, it is either early maorning or late evening. the rest of the day is spent at the sand bar or bar. Unless of course during the week, then we are the only ones out there River still looks pretty blown out all day from boat traffic, even with mine anchored.

 

[squirtnmyload]

Hammer, I'm on point with you. I own a Nautique and love my watersports, I do it all, airchair, surf, wakeskate, wakeboard, and even slalom. This picture is my boat unloaded at 1900RPM which is about 20mph. A talented rider doesn't require the monster wake, some of these guys just push it too far with the size of the wakes. Remember my boat is basically a flat bottom, lake wakes screw my day up as much as the next guy and I own a rollbar boat!

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Spot on. The faster you go the more you get the shit beat out of you in these boats.

This is pretty much why you see most of them just cruising slower and putting off a big wake, which is exactly what they are designed to do with or without "full ballast".

Maybe everyone should take up this crusade with the manufacturers instead of wanting new laws, banning certain boats, bitching, etc.

Every year there is a thread on this topic

 

[boatdoc55]

I'm with Hammer on this one. Why don't they just man up and water ski like has been done for years and years. I say they go by the way of 3 wheel ATC's. Stop building them and pretty soon they'll all be gone.

 

[Luvnlife]

Hey Wakebrdr94,you will never win your argument in this place

 

[Wakebrdr94]

I know, wakeboats are evil. Has nothing to do with operator :rolleyes

 

[Hammer]

I agree that many add more ballast than they need because they can barely clear the wake, absolutely. However, that wake is far from 5' If i start on the swimstep, it is no where near that high. Even I slow down in my boat for wake from other boats, maybe others should learn to as well. The point is it's ALL boats. The 30' Daytona, the 28' chaparelle, whatever, they all produce wakes. Some just as big or bigger than the boat in the video produces, and those are made without ballast. We have an 18' '76 Charger as well, grew up with it, totally different game driving that boat. I hear what some of you are saying.

I'm going to play devils advocate for a moment. Suppose things go in the opposite direction. Suppose some knuckle head in office says flat bottoms are unsafe in certain areas because of lack of freeboard? Easily swamped, children not allowed, whatever lame thing they want to claim, what then? You can't restrict wakeboats purely on wakesize as other boats do just as much damage naturally because of their size. And in all seriousness, for some moron in office to come up with something like this in the name of "safety" is not out of the realm of possibility

And i grew up skiing, gave it up for a more challenging sport lol

I will say this, when we ride, it is either early maorning or late evening. the rest of the day is spent at the sand bar or bar. Unless of course during the week, then we are the only ones out there River still looks pretty blown out all day from boat traffic, even with mine anchored.

Just because a 24-27' hallett makes a naturally larger wake than a 21' roll bar boat(or any smaller boat) doesn't justify the owner of the wakeboard boat creating a wake (with the use of a ballast) just as large or larger than a bigger boat. The bigger boat can't make his wake smaller, the wakeboard(with water a ballast) can. Poor justification IMO

Also, unless you're in a bigger boat, almost everyone slows down for a larger than normal wake..


One other point, I have never heard anyone complain about the size of the wake when it came to a wakeboard boat before ballasts came around. Ballasts are the problem, not the hull itself..

 

[gqchris]

I'm with Hammer on this one. Why don't they just man up and water ski like has been done for years and years. I say they go by the way of 3 wheel ATC's. Stop building them and pretty soon they'll all be gone.

Don't worry, only about .05% of them actually drive the boats nowadays. The majority are parked blasting Skrillex dubstep vomit thru their 100,000 watt system trying to lure chicks off the channel wall. Good times right there.

 

[530RL]

If everyone would just switch to jet ski's, the wake problem would go away.

 

[Wakebrdr94]

Just because a 24-27' hallett makes a naturally larger wake than a 21' roll bar boat(or any smaller boat) doesn't justify the owner of the wakeboard boat creating a wake (with the use of a ballast) just as large or larger than a bigger boat. The bigger boat can't make his wake smaller, the wakeboard(with water a ballast) can. Poor justification IMO

Also, unless you're in a bigger boat, almost everyone slows down for a larger than normal wake..


One other point, I have never heard anyone complain about the size of the wake when it came to a wakeboard boat before ballasts came around. Ballasts are the problem, not the hull itself..

A large wake is a large wake, regardless of the boat. It boil downs to the d bag driving.

 

[hallett21]

A large wake is a large wake, regardless of the boat. It boil downs to the d bag driving.

X2

 

[Old Texan]

Every year there is a thread on this topic

Hmmm we're lagging a bit this year.....We should have at least 2 threads on Roll Bar boats and several more on lake lice. We hit hard on alcohol a couple weeks back which always goes hand in hand with spring break. Nothing yet on tubers in the middle of traffic, but that typically comes with the first holiday when school gets out. Overall it appears we're running behind on the other annual bitch threads. :skull

 

[Old Texan]

A large wake is a large wake, regardless of the boat. It boil downs to the d bag driving.

Frankly I question 5 footers from the sized boats y'all are talking about and the speed/power combo required......A couple rivers I frequent down here on the Gulf Coast have regular barge traffic and 5 is a stretch for them. 3-4 foot all day long but 5 is a lot of water to push for a vessel under a 40' cruiser at speed and then it's all about hull design.....

 

[AFUEL7067]

A large wake is a large wake, regardless of the boat. It boil downs to the d bag driving.

Your correct and its the wake surfers not the boarders throwing 4 footers .If you want to point fingers Ebtide hands down biggest wake on the river usually got three fat kids in a tube .the latest fashion trend behind the Ebtide is for the rotund little erchants to wear helmets lmao ..... While mom jumps up and down cheering

 

[hallett21]

Your correct and its the wake surfers not the boarders throwing 4 footers .If you want to point fingers Ebtide hands down biggest wake on the river usually got three fat kids in a tube .the latest fashion trend behind the Ebtide is for the rotund little erchants to wear helmets lmao ..... While mom jumps up and down cheering

Thank you lol

 

[dread Pirate]

You think roll bar boats are bad, hang out on the Sacramento River and watch the mayhem the cruisers deliver. One will come around the bend and the whole beach would be scrambling to push their boats off the beach and turn them bow out before the wake hits the beach. We didn't always make it and had to bail the boat out more than once. My dad's friends Sanger outboard was never found when it went down by Garcia Bend. He was picking up his skier when the boat came by him way too close.

and there is no reason to be running 4K in ballast unless you can pull a 1080 and last time I checked there were less than 10 people that can. If it takes that much wake to pull a tantrum or a 7, you are nothing but a poser and should go sit on the beach until you learn to ride. I like wakeboarding and dumbasses like this are going to fuck up my family fun. The whole lack of respect and self entitlement attitude many have nowadays just sucks ass!

Really sucks about your Cole. I have always liked those boats and wouldn't mind having one someday.

 

[Wheeler]

The way I see it, these guys are the real threat to boating on the Parker strip. They come flying in with reckless abandon, props a spinning, hogging a two mile stretch of the river just so they can get a burger at Road Runner!

 

[Wakebrdr94]

If I see a plane landing, I'll make sure to fill all ballast, go 8mph, and run zig zag patterns. And I'll make sure my stereo is blasting some profanity with my straight bill slightly off center.

Do I need to get any tattoos? I just want to be prepared

 

[rmarion]

did someone say "LARGE WAKE"

 

[Nord]

So does the Pirate not have video cameras that could have caught this on tape?

 

[Runs2rch]

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did someone say "LARGE WAKE"

Biggest I have ever seen from those dam tour boats. Came cruising out of Dangling Rope running 40-45 hit one of those rollers, pulled the props out of the water in our 27. Those displacement style v's throw huge wake.

 

[Crazyhippy]

Biggest I have ever seen from those dam tour boats. Came cruising out of Dangling Rope running 40-45 hit one of those rollers, pulled the props out of the water in our 27. Those displacement style v's throw huge wake.

Bet they didn't even have a wakeboarder...

 

[Runs2rch]

No one has said it yet, but where was said owner of this Cole while it was filling with water from supposed wakes? Seems like he would have seen and moved the boat. I Have had my 210 anchored into huge swell rolling in. Didn't take on any water. I have a feeling something else happened.

 

[Riverson]

No one has said it yet, but where was said owner of this Cole while it was filling with water from supposed wakes? Seems like he would have seen and moved the boat. I Have had my 210 anchored into huge swell rolling in. Didn't take on any water. I have a feeling something else happened.

Did you even read this thread? He was docked at Pirate when this asshat in a red wakeboat with full ballast (yes it was obv that it was full) cruising slow speed swamped the Cole. That's what happened no more no less. How in the hell do you expect someone sitting in a restaurant to see it coming and move the boat?

 

[Luvnlife]

No one has said it yet, but where was said owner of this Cole while it was filling with water from supposed wakes? Seems like he would have seen and moved the boat. I Have had my 210 anchored into huge swell rolling in. Didn't take on any water. I have a feeling something else happened.

And away they go

 

[Bradsrvrtoy.]

An all RED Malibu "Wakesetter" (wake in the name of the boat but they aren't designed to throw a bigger wake than others) or a Malibu BFW (Big Fning Wake maker) was rolling past pirates and sunk the Cole. Someone should have witnessed it.....I mean someone posted a pic here in this thread of the boat sunk and others have said they saw this boat rolling huge wakes all weekend. The parker strip isn't that big and I would bet the boat will be out again this weekend or next. Can't we as a boating community keep our eyes peeled if he his rolling big wakes up and down the river this weekend to get a pic of the boat and AZ Reg #'s and ask Irish if that's the boat? If so I would think the witnesses on this site would say that's the one. Wouldn't that be enough to site the person. Maybe it would go to court maybe not, I don't think anyone would pay the Legal fees. I would guess the operator would tell LE yeah I was out the past weekend went by pirates but didn't know I sunk a boat, sorry bro, and give the guy his insurance #. Maybe I'm being optimistic about people in general. I am not sure how the law works if it states your responsible for your wake and you sink anothers boat. How is the sunk boat suppose to chase down the guy that caused it. I would say they would go off of a witness or two and ticket the guy, IMO?

 

[rmarion]

Did you even read this thread? He was docked at Pirate when this asshat in a red wakeboat with full ballast (yes it was obv that it was full) cruising slow speed swamped the Cole. That's what happened no more no less. How in the hell do you expect someone sitting in a restaurant to see it coming and move the boat?

from the boat owner
""Well people Im the owner of the beautiful Cole. The plug was in and the bilge pump was working. Some not very smart boater with a wakeboard boat or big boat was way to close to shore and caused a big enough wake to sink me. I cant even begin to describe the feeling of watching your boat sink. Ive been boating in Parker for 40 years, seen all kinds of mishaps. Never had one happen to me. Thank You all for your condolences! I truely pray nothing like this happens to any of you.""

It SUXS this happen..... I hope he get his boat back on the water SOON!!

but from the Boat Owners words.....
I don't think he knows which boat caused this damage.....

maybe the Lake Mead tour boat made a trip up to Pirates cove to tip a few....


PS...its NOT THE BOAT!!!
ITS THE DICKHEAD DRIVING THE BOAT!!!!


carry on....:skull

 

[Bradsrvrtoy.]

for the record, I know I am being hard on roll bar boats and I agree with others it is not always the boats and it falls to the operators most of the time.

 

[77charger]

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did someone say "LARGE WAKE"

Seen that boat many times at powell got past its wake with a19 ft jetboat and my current 207 eliminator.The thing is i had an engine running and saw it approaching so i was able to point bow towards it slow down and gently motor over it.

2 years ago at powell i thought i was going to lose my eliminator on shore a storm picked up and had 54mph gust i had waves breaking over the bow and rerouted my bilge hose before the trip little did i know the check valve in the hose i used was plugged=no working bilge.I had water across the whole floor i was litterly in tears i asked wife if insurance is up to date she said yes.A couple thoughts later i said F IT grabbed a small bucket and bailed water.This went on for 20 min straight non stop i had water in the engine compartment to my starter and water on the floor of boat around seats bow pointed outwards.

When it calmed my boat was sitting about 2 inches lower than normal it held alot of weight in water for sure.Have also sank my old 19fr in havasu and it didnt take much for it to go down a string of boat wakes and a stalled motor was all it took happened in less than a minute before it was too late

 

[RiverDave]

An all RED Malibu "Wakesetter" (wake in the name of the boat but they aren't designed to throw a bigger wake than others) or a Malibu BFW (Big Fning Wake maker) was rolling past pirates and sunk the Cole. Someone should have witnessed it.....I mean someone posted a pic here in this thread of the boat sunk and others have said they saw this boat rolling huge wakes all weekend. The parker strip isn't that big and I would bet the boat will be out again this weekend or next. Can't we as a boating community keep our eyes peeled if he his rolling big wakes up and down the river this weekend to get a pic of the boat and AZ Reg #'s and ask Irish if that's the boat? If so I would think the witnesses on this site would say that's the one. Wouldn't that be enough to site the person. Maybe it would go to court maybe not, I don't think anyone would pay the Legal fees. I would guess the operator would tell LE yeah I was out the past weekend went by pirates but didn't know I sunk a boat, sorry bro, and give the guy his insurance #. Maybe I'm being optimistic about people in general. I am not sure how the law works if it states your responsible for your wake and you sink anothers boat. How is the sunk boat suppose to chase down the guy that caused it. I would say they would go off of a witness or two and ticket the guy, IMO?

It's done now.. Not much anyone can do about it. There's more then one red Malibu out there.. If it was even a Malibu.. Could be a Sanger, could be a master craft could be...

 

[doubleeagle]

Where are all the concealed carry guys when you need them. Thinkin two across the bow or better yet one well placed threw the roll bar would put a end to this bullshit of buzzing the docks.Just saying

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Couple shots below the waterline and watch their sled dip into Dave's jones' locker

 

[RVRKID]

If you aim good enough maybe you can hit the ballast ..

 

[Wakebrdr94]

Where are all the concealed carry guys when you need them. Thinkin two across the bow or better yet one well placed threw the roll bar would put a end to this bullshit of buzzing the docks.Just saying

Does the same apply for the guy who buzzes roadrunners at 50mph in a 30' go fast boat 10' from the dock? As long as we're fair across the board, I'm all for it

 

[Luvnlife]

I'm guessing maybe it's just that in all my years of boating I have never seen a responsible wakeboard operator. I'm sure they are out there like unicorns and bigfoot. I have only seen the ones looking backwards at their boarder to make sure they are throwing the biggest wake possible while drifting close to shore so everyone on shore can see their badass boarder jump the huge ass wake and impress said people on shore. The loud techno is just added pleasure. Look at me. :tbi

 

[brendellajet]

Does the same apply for the guy who buzzes roadrunners at 50mph in a 30' go fast boat 10' from the dock? As long as we're fair across the board, I'm all for it

50? that probably sounds fast to you guys huh?

 

[Luvnlife]

The go fast boat is only going 35mph it just looks like 50mph. And cmon it only looked like 10' but in reality it was a quarter mile away

 

[mjc]

So after reading all this about the roll bar boats. My question is this if there was nobody behind the boat wakeboarding why does the boat need to go slow with all the ballast in? Can't they drain it when not pulling somebody. That seems to be the biggest problem just making huge wakes for no reason.

 

[Wakebrdr94]

50? that probably sounds fast to you guys huh?

I'm assuming it must be, usually there are no chicks in the boat so I guess they must have flown out :headscratch:

The go fast boat is only going 35mph it just looks like 50mph. And cmon it only looked like 10' but in reality it was a quarter mile away

haha if only the strip was that wide across. I do like the comment about the unicorn or big foot. I don't even argue that there are a number of D bags that operate wakeboats, because there are. Most of those guys their parents bought them a 80k wakeboat and that makes them cool. Hell, I laugh at people when you hear how big there wake is, blah blah and can't even clear the wake. These d bags give the rest of us a bad name :swear I grew up around jets and have buddies that still have go fast boats, and I know you all have those same dudes in your circles. One dude I know has always "had the fastest boat" blah blah, but can't drive worth crap, has sank 2, etc.

I'm really sorry the cole sank, IMO it sucks for any boat to go down. I remember growing up and saying how you go to the river and the boating community there is a big family. Everyone was cool and friendly, but these "my dick is bigger than yours" dudes have turned it into a d bag fest. And they are in all types of boats, ruining it for the rest of us who enjoy the river for what it is.

I look at it like the gun control argument, it's not the gun, it's the crazy SOB holding it. Same goes for operating boats.

Besides, we know some of you want to crossover, you already put "rollbars" on some of your boats, just make the leap

 

[dread Pirate]

So after reading all this about the roll bar boats. My question is this if there was nobody behind the boat wakeboarding why does the boat need to go slow with all the ballast in? Can't they drain it when not pulling somebody. That seems to be the biggest problem just making huge wakes for no reason.

Absofuckinglutely! Most of these boats have automatic pumps, some that you can program to put weight where you want it and how much for individual riders. Hit a button and they boat will fill to where you want it. Drains just as quick with the same switch. Dump the ballast while you're putting your boards and rope away. I have old school Fat Sack bladders on my floor and they hold about 375#'s each and have to fill and dump myself without switches. I use smaller ones for my kids and none when teaching. They take less than 10 minutes to fill and drain, so a bit more time consuming, but so what,,, You're on the water! What's the fuckin hurry?

 

[brgrcru]

its hard for me to believe that one big wake sunk the Cole. unless the wake was 5-7 '+ and breaking on top of the boat.the wake boat boat must of been doing drive by's 10 feet from dock. and know one got up and said anything? the engine hatch has a little opening for the blower hwere water will go in and still has some free board. a lot of the water would have been diverted back to the river, grant it there would of been water in the boat. but it had to be more then one pass. Maybe I am wrong, happens all the time We ski, wake and surf at Parker. we are usually between big bend and river lodge. with our old malibu, (Not red) no ballast, but we try to get 8-10 people in the boat to throw a wake to surf on. sorry if I pissed anyone off going up river, but we are actually having a great time. surfing and wakeboarding kind of does that for us.

 

[brgrcru]

oh ya ! Rd when are we going to get that wake board/surf section? that will really piss off the locals. :eek

 

[Riverson]

oh ya ! Rd when are we going to get that wake board/surf section? that will really piss off the locals. :eek

Maybe when Hell frezzes over...go fuck somebody else's water....douche

Black socks with a flat bill.....please go away

 

[RiverDave]

oh ya ! Rd when are we going to get that wake board/surf section? that will really piss off the locals. :eek

We had one.. Didnt get much use.. Probably because TBI was Baggin on them..

Honestly I like almost all boats including wake makers. I just wish they could be more courteous, AND vice versa..