Audiophiles

[paradise]

12" powered sub. Just like racing, "no replacement for displacement"

I’ll see your 12 and raise you

JTR Captivator 4000ULF — JTR Speakers

www.jtrspeakers.com

 

[traquer]

This iconic image is fitting for this thread!

 

[C-2]

I’ll see your 12 and raise you

JTR Captivator 4000ULF — JTR Speakers

www.jtrspeakers.com

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Holy crap that's a monster. Bad ass, congrats!

Too funny because today I was wondering why my system sounded so flat. It was because my 12" Mirage sub quit working. No prob, I grabbed its twin from the garage and that one isn't working, either.

I

 

[C-2]

My $30 Yammy stack. I was after the preamp, but like the majority of oldschool Yamaha preamps...it has issues. So the seller refunded the majority of my cash and he let me keep the equipment. A small M-35 that sounds really nice. Not pictured is a working cassette deck.

 

[C-2]

I'm also waiting to take delivery of another Yamaha amp - an M-65 and a C80 preamp. The M-65 is in protection mode...so not much hope for it. Fingers crossed for the C80...my C85 has loose/cracked solder joint on the pre output.

 

[paradise]

Holy crap that's a monster. Bad ass, congrats!

Too funny because today I was wondering why my system sounded so flat. It was because my 12" Mirage sub quit working. No prob, I grabbed its twin from the garage and that one isn't working, either.

I

We use them in theater projects.

 

[mjc]

I'm also waiting to take delivery of another Yamaha amp - an M-65 and a C80 preamp. The M-65 is in protection mode...so not much hope for it. Fingers crossed for the C80...my C85 has loose/cracked solder joint on the pre output.

you might want to check this place out. I took my old stereo to them and got it repaired for a very reasonable price. You will have to make 2 trips to vegas for it but it was worth it for me. It was an old Miida that I bought as the first thing with my first job in high school, still running in the garage. And some of the stuff on the shelves is amazing.

Audio Stereo Repair Equipment | Audio Xpert | Las Vegas

We buy, sell, trade and repair audio/stereo equipment.

www.audioxpert.net

 

[monkeyswrench]

I’ll see your 12 and raise you

JTR Captivator 4000ULF — JTR Speakers

www.jtrspeakers.com

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All I have is some 25yo Technique 15's in the shop. Not much, but with 500 Watts they do okay for a hillbilly

 

[bowtiejunkie]

Thanks, I looked at them… I see they have kits for most speakers, but didnt see any Boston Acoustics. I pretty sure it fairly universal.
Thinking it over.

The best news…
4 Pigeons on a rooftop about 75-90 yards away… Its sniping time.. LOL.

https://www.simplyspeakers.com/boston-acoustics-speaker-repair-foam-edge-kits.html

They have some kits. Maybe one of them will work or they can get you sorted out.

 

[C-2]

We use them in theater projects.

Awesome, that seems like a fun gig, designing kickass systems with other peeps cash!

You think that box would work in my 9X11 listening space?

 

[C-2]

you might want to check this place out. I took my old stereo to them and got it repaired for a very reasonable price. You will have to make 2 trips to vegas for it but it was worth it for me. It was an old Miida that I bought as the first thing with my first job in high school, still running in the garage. And some of the stuff on the shelves is amazing.

Audio Stereo Repair Equipment | Audio Xpert | Las Vegas

We buy, sell, trade and repair audio/stereo equipment.

www.audioxpert.net

Wow, hey thanks for the reference. I never heard of them before and they have a nice selection of used gear, too. I will give them a call.

I follow a Yamaha board on AudioKarma and there are some competent techs on there, too. But even they admit the Yammy's are complicated units that sometimes daisychain themselves into bricks, and the cost to fix them is excessive.

My patience is growing thin with Yamaha as my similarly old Onkyo equipment keeps chugging away nicely without issue. I'm thinking about focusing on some silver faced units, or spending the cash on their Integra models.

 

[mbrown2]

MFKR…
My old school like 25 year old Boston Acoustics 10” Powered Subwoofer. The rubber around the woofer is so deterioted, and just cant get it to glue correctly. This is my garage set up, not my main set up…

So I went into Best Buy a bit ago. I was going to get a stand alone subwoofer and just replace it inside the old cabinet…

As I was walking into the store.. They had a ton of red tag clearance items out of the high end portion of the home audio section. So I get to browsing… and find a Martin Logan Dynamo 400 8” over 50% off.. $174.00… 75w RMS and 150 peak…

Bought it, got it connected about 20 minutes ago… Fuck me… just not enough power/bass… I have it cranked fully up and its just not what I am used to.

I am in pickle here… return it, and go back to plan A…

Step up and go buy that nice 12” 400w Martin Logan they have at 50% off, still over $400 for my garage…

MFKR… Am I going to regret not returning this… or just live with… ugggg…

The good news is the cigar is awesome, on a nice fall day in Reno area, with a high 64 degrees and not a cloud in the sky. BTW… the pigeons start roosting on my neighbors roof in about an hour, might be able to snipe a few with pellet gun…

There was a guy I used in garden grove or near there that re-foamed a JL Audio 12” w6 for me a couple of years ago…he was reasonable.

 

[fat rat]

My $30 Yammy stack. I was after the preamp, but like the majority of oldschool Yamaha preamps...it has issues. So the seller refunded the majority of my cash and he let me keep the equipment. A small M-35 that sounds really nice. Not pictured is a working cassette deck.

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I had almost the same system for almost 30 years, loves me some Yamaha, great system!

 

[Xring01]

Please help me resist the urge to buy these


Old school CVs are my weakness, but these are brand new. combined with a powed sub in my garage.

Weakness is I am hammering the current Bowers Wilkens with 150 rms

 

[Xring01]

I am literally hammering the BWs right now.. I mean wide open throttle.. with some home made bourbon and a mighty fine cigar.

Reo Speedwagon, Take it on the Run…
The vocals are a 9:10… but a bit to high… Dido, 70s rock, heavy vocals kind of music, the BWs rule.. but they are to much treble in some some music. But some stuff, you cant beat them.. but thats Vocal forward kind of stuff… very few speakers beat BWs in vocals… but because they are to good at that, creates the weakness in other types of music.

It took me years to figure that out.

Yep… For some stupid reason the CVs mentioned above, are calling my name. I am hoping the mids/ teble balance is better than the BWs I currently running… I will hammer them on day one… fuckers better be ready to handle the 150 RMS… or they will be sold the next day.

and… edited

Next song is Prince: Lets go Crazy… and the BW’s deliver… I mean deliver… why am I trying get better speakers…
Fuck, never realized how the vocals of Prince, truly are the main aspect of the music…

Seriously, lit the room up…

Still buying the CVs… Why.. .cause I can… Can new school CVs beat the memory of my CV12s from back in the day???? Time will tell.

The big 6.5” should deliver the mid base, combined with a powered sub… should get the job done… assuming the treble/highs, are close to the stupid expensive BWs I am running.. ???

Probably wasting money… fuck it, its only money and PLTR has been treating me like a king lately.

I cant play with the big boy system in the house, cause it literally rattles the entire house and piss’s my wife off… BW 803s…I can only play with them at 20% when my wife is home… when she is gone… at 40% the fire place and the ceiling fans are rattling… LOL… BW 803s… to nice to put in the garage…

So its time to build the garage system.

 

[C-2]

Buy them and report back. I too am curious to see what the small format CV's can do.

 

[Xring01]

In a moment of weakness.. I called out for help to prevent me from purchasing said CV speakers…

Not one of you fucks backed me off that cliff…

Guess what I just did…

You bastards are no help at all… Cause I just placed the order… see its a addiction/collectorism kind a situation.

Fuck yall, I asked for help you fucks left me stranded… you are all black listed for 18 hrs…

Edited,
Yeah, I am messing with yall.. Hit a play list for Prince… and 1999, just hit… as much as the BWs rock as vocals forward… this recording sounds vocals muted. Even though its “Amazon Prime”… hmmm. Wtf….

Earth Wind & Fire… yeah… BWs rule… vocals forward type of music… good luck future CVs… I will do a side by side comparison of “september”… can the CV measure up to BWs.

 

[C-2]

People helping people!

 

[C-2]

I'm on the prowl for 2 speakers; the iconic J BL L100 featured in the Maxxel ad, or a pair of Klipsch Heresy. Both of them are supposed to be kick ass speakers with small cabinets.

And I'm learning how to fix/recap my growing vintage Yamaha collection, so I'm pretty stoked.

 

[Xring01]

The Cerwin Vega LA165s arrived.
They are huge compared to the BWs 686S2s. I love the cabinets, fit and finish make them look like they cost more than the BWs.
Love the red on the speakers.

I have fired them up, and breaking them in at the moment.

Initial Impressions..
For $269/pr… thats a smoking deal… wow, might be the best value out there for new speakers.

They are made for Classic Rock kinda music. In that regard they are better than the BWs. Honestly, I grew up listening to Classic Rock on big cabinet style speakers, like JBL & Cerwin… so they they do remind me of that. Yes I do have a powered sub with them.

Tons of Mid Bass. I didnt realize how much I was missing in the BWs.

However the BW Vocals are better than the CVs… need to test this in depth though.

Overall which is better for the music I listen to the most…

I have not cranked these fuckers YET…. Thats gonna require a few a bourbons and cigar… so I hope to get to that this weekend.

 

[caribbean20]

Bourbon, cigar and music at WOT, that’s living large right there. Well played, good purchase.

Side note, I’ve got a Bowers & Wilkins system in the BMW, so many speakers in there I lost count. Dam fine sound system.

 

[chadzilla]

I don’t know about for the money. But I’ve been waiting to set these up and give em a rip.

Vandersteen 5A carbons run via musical fidelity receiver.

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Why is that beautiful Marantz on the bottom getting no love! Looks to be a 2325? I'm a sucker for old school audio!

 

[pronstar]

This iconic image is fitting for this thread!

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I think the JBL L100s in this ad got more attention that the tapes

 

[pronstar]

My $30 Yammy stack. I was after the preamp, but like the majority of oldschool Yamaha preamps...it has issues. So the seller refunded the majority of my cash and he let me keep the equipment. A small M-35 that sounds really nice. Not pictured is a working cassette deck.

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I love me some Yamaha gear. I regret selling the matching CD changer I had for this lovely 2-channel amp. Can’t wait to find a new home for it

 

[traquer]

I think the JBL L100s in this ad got more attention that the tapes

I'd love to hear what they sound like. New vs the vintage ones.

One reason why is: I listen to many types of music, but I've never been able to reproduce that rock concert feeling...

Rap music = easy (we've all been in someone's car or boat with $10k in subs and mid range and tweeters and when turned up to 11 it's badass and sounds like you're in the club). Same thing for dance music, easy for it to sound good, loud and clear and enjoyable.

But rock music? So hard! I donno it just never sounds as impactful and cool at home or in any fancy car sound system I've ever heard, it's always this muddled mess that gives me a headache when I turn it up loud the way I like it. Low volumes it's ok, but turn it up like you're at a concert and everything falls on its face. And I got a pretty good audio setup. Maybe I never had good *good* speakers before! Or maybe my room acoustics always suck. But then again I listen to jazz, vocals and other "difficult" music and it's fine and very realistic and precise on my speakers. It's just the damn rock music I can't enjoy like I want to!

 

[DrunkenSailor]

I'd love to hear what they sound like. New vs the vintage ones.

One reason why is: I listen to many types of music, but I've never been able to reproduce that rock concert feeling...

Rap music = easy (we've all been in someone's car or boat with $10k in subs and mid range and tweeters and when turned up to 11 it's badass and sounds like you're in the club). Same thing for dance music, easy for it to sound good, loud and clear and enjoyable.

But rock music? So hard! I donno it just never sounds as impactful and cool at home or in any fancy car sound system I've ever heard, it's always this muddled mess that gives me a headache when I turn it up loud the way I like it. Low volumes it's ok, but turn it up like you're at a concert and everything falls on its face. And I got a pretty good audio setup. Maybe I never had good *good* speakers before! Or maybe my room acoustics always suck. But then again I listen to jazz, vocals and other "difficult" music and it's fine and very realistic and precise on my speakers. It's just the damn rock music I can't enjoy like I want to!

Go to Best buy and have them play the rock song of your choice on the Martin Logan motions. That ribbon tweeter that they use puts you on the stage as Clapton wails on Layla

 

[clarence]

I listen to many types of music, but I've never been able to reproduce that rock concert feeling...

Klipsch

 

[bilz]

My hearing won't support this stuff any more.
At this point I'm happy to be able to just listen.
Protect it while you got it.

 

[pronstar]

I'd love to hear what they sound like. New vs the vintage ones.

One reason why is: I listen to many types of music, but I've never been able to reproduce that rock concert feeling...

Rap music = easy (we've all been in someone's car or boat with $10k in subs and mid range and tweeters and when turned up to 11 it's badass and sounds like you're in the club). Same thing for dance music, easy for it to sound good, loud and clear and enjoyable.

But rock music? So hard! I donno it just never sounds as impactful and cool at home or in any fancy car sound system I've ever heard, it's always this muddled mess that gives me a headache when I turn it up loud the way I like it. Low volumes it's ok, but turn it up like you're at a concert and everything falls on its face. And I got a pretty good audio setup. Maybe I never had good *good* speakers before! Or maybe my room acoustics always suck. But then again I listen to jazz, vocals and other "difficult" music and it's fine and very realistic and precise on my speakers. It's just the damn rock music I can't enjoy like I want to!

JBL sound is generally synonymous with Rock n Roll...but there's so much that goes into audio it's hard to say what the issue is that you're experiencing.

From a nerd perspective, a good start is an amp with deep reserves...if output doubles each time impedance is halved, then it's got power.

Also, an amp with a high damping factor indicates it can better control speaker movement...but this can be a hard spec to find.

Then you want efficient speakers that can reproduce as much of the 20-20khz frequency response without losing output.

A speaker rated at 20 - 20khz, but it's at -10db on the low end, won't output deep bass.

I paired the latest L100s with a Mark Levinson amp similar to what I posted earlier in this thread...I think you would have liked the result despite the space, which was large with terrible acoustics. It was pretty cool actually exercising this equipment to its full rated specification

 

[Sharky]

This iconic image is fitting for this thread!

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James Bullough Lansing

JBL had quite the facility in California back in the day. Testing, research, development, fabrication, design and manufacturing.

 

[traquer]

JBL sound is generally synonymous with Rock n Roll...but there's so much that goes into audio it's hard to say what the issue is that you're experiencing.

From a nerd perspective, a good start is an amp with deep reserves...if output doubles each time impedance is halved, then it's got power.

Also, an amp with a high damping factor indicates it can better control speaker movement...but this can be a hard spec to find.

Then you want efficient speakers that can reproduce as much of the 20-20khz frequency response without losing output.

A speaker rated at 20 - 20khz, but it's at -10db on the low end, won't output deep bass.

I paired the latest L100s with a Mark Levinson amp similar to what I posted earlier in this thread...I think you would have liked the result despite the space, which was large with terrible acoustics. It was pretty cool actually exercising this equipment to its full rated specification

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Thanks, that's along the lines I was thinking as well! It's easy to make a lot of bass with relatively low power on a well-designed and well-placed sub, but it might be muddy. And also the woofers need some authority behind them, no way around it!

Also another thing (I think) is that no matter how great the speakers and amps are, if they're too small they will never be able to give that experience I'm looking for. Even the best 5" bookshelf speaker in the world in a small room can't do what I want because that's not what they're designed for. Those L100s are huge in person, I think that's the kinda stuff I need!! I will probably buy a used setup of that scope and see how it is without having to fork out $10k+ new for the speakers and amps and everything. I have a really good source/streamer (Wiim Pro Plus) so that part of the equation is covered.

 

[pronstar]

James Bullough Lansing

JBL had quite the facility in California back in the day. Testing, research, development, fabrication, design and manufacturing.

Still have a large facility in Northridge, same JBL facility but now under the Harman label

 

[C-2]

Klipsch

The guy I bought my Yamaha C85 preamp demod it for me using a huge Bryston amp and Forte, and then Chorus models...and it was like whoa. Huge sound and a single pair filled his garage.

But I need a bookshelf style and the Heresy may fit that bill.

I know where to find a pair of 6.5 RP600's for a smoking deal, and I also see some KG 3.5's, but I think the bigger cubic inches on the Heresy would be a better choice. I may treat myself for Xmas if I can find a decent deal.

 

[C-2]

Still have a large facility in Northridge, same JBL facility but now under the Harman label

I've read those L100's are just bad ass

 

[pronstar]

The guy I bought my Yamaha C85 preamp demod it for me using a huge Bryston amp and Forte, and then Chorus models...and it was like whoa. Huge sound and a single pair filled his garage.

But I need a bookshelf style and the Heresy may fit that bill.

I have a soft spot for vintage Yamaha gear.
I’m hoping to find a home for this lovely 2-channel receiver soon. I bought it new waaaay back in the day, and I regret selling the matching 6-disc changer.

The Revel M106 bookshelf speakers were recently discontinued and retailers discounted them… but if you can find a pair on sale it might be a good choice for you. I have a pair in my office, now powered by an Arcam SA30 Class G amp and they’re really, really good.

Here’s what Amir at Audio Science review has to say about them:

 

[C-2]

Lol, I'm just being petty. My system sounds pretty kick ass these days.

The only weak link is the Onkyo preamp, which sounds decent, especially with the Schiit Mani2 phono stage. My placement of speakers also limits my listening space, which is a small 9X11 office.

Current sys is

Onkyo P301 Preamp
Yamaha M45
Yamaha M600u
Technics Sl1200M3D with rewired/dampened tonearm, Mogami/Amphenol RCA's/Blue Jeans low cap phono cable, Nag MP150
3 pair 8" Event 20/20 passive monitors Review 20/20
1 Energy 8" sub / 1 Mirage 12" sub

M45@4 ohms = 180w channel, running one set on A
M600xu@4 ohms = 190w channel, running A and B

I need to repair a Yamaha M-65, which will deliver 230w channel into A, B and C. I think the repair on this one will be fairly straightforward. Like most of the old Yammy amps/preamps, the corrosive glue used to secure the large caps ate away a few transistors/resistors.

I also have a Yamaha C80, a C85 and CX600 preamps that need repair. The quote I got to restore C85 was $1K, and is the reason I am learning tof repair the equipment myself, which is fun. the preamps are pretty complex devices, just a cap kit costs $200.

I suppose I could also find some Yamaha NS10 monitors, but I want to see how full range speakers sound as opposed to monitors.

 

[clarence]

Huge sound

Nothing like a horn.

 

[pronstar]

Speaking of JBL, I’m at our flagship store in SoHo tonight, Toyota is hosting a holiday party for paid media…think car mags and the like.

Good times

Crew is still setting up…