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The reason the world has descended into the 7th circle of hell is there are no harsh consequences for criminality anymore. If I was walking down that path/trail, I’d be giving that cop a high five and a Benjamin.

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You are right. On a street or an alley where cars are normally at. NOT ON A WALKING / BIKING TRAIL IN A PARK. people enjoying the trail should not have to worry about some dipshit racing around on a quad at significant higher speed than what they are traveling. People still ride dirtbikes around my neighborhood. I passed a family of 5 riding their motorcycles around. Here it on the weekend. On the street. Not a people trail in a park.

Where does it end? Ever do a burnout in front of your shop? Want to hear a bunch of men typing about how it should only be on a closed drag strip? lol. I mean cmon..
 

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My guess, the rider rounded that bend in the trail, saw the cop and pinned it. Sounds like the police were in the area because of atv activity on the trails. He probably planned on doing a fly by and be gone before the cop could turn around and take chase.

I think they both misjudged the closure rate, and the rider ran out of talent. Did he deserve it? No. Was it an outcome that could happen while breaking the law? Yes. Of course I'm sure he's a good boy just out being stupid kid.
 

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Where does it end? Ever do a burnout in front of your shop? Want to hear a bunch of men typing about how it should only be on a closed drag strip? lol. I mean cmon..
None of your examples are equivalent . Yes I ride my quad on a 2 lane rural roads between trails but their is expected to be vehicles driving on it, so no families out for a stroll. Yes most of us have done stupid stuff and sometimes paid the price. I don’t blame the cop he did not try and ram the guy on his quad. He blocked the road with plenty of distance for the rider to stop or avoid the car if he was moving at any reasonable speed. Many bikes and quads try and run so if he let him ride by he likely would have been gone. Maybe it was just a kid having fun, maybe it was one of the idiots that block intersections doing donuts, or ride down the freeways doing wheelies…
 

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A bunch of spineless quitters if you ask me. Couldn't even last more than a year. 🙄
Money talks baby! I guess they got hundreds of millions combined. If I’m honest, I might have a little forgiveness for 9 figures too lol.

Either way, you won’t see me at the checker outer with a blue case of beer any time soon.
 

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Where does it end? Ever do a burnout in front of your shop? Want to hear a bunch of men typing about how it should only be on a closed drag strip? lol. I mean cmon..
Doing burnouts in front of my shop is perfectly legal. Parking lot is private property and the landlords haven’t bitched yet. Now on the street no it is a ticketable offense. I know the difference.
 

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None of your examples are equivalent . Yes I ride my quad on a 2 lane rural roads between trails but their is expected to be vehicles driving on it, so no families out for a stroll. Yes most of us have done stupid stuff and sometimes paid the price. I don’t blame the cop he did not try and ram the guy on his quad. He blocked the road with plenty of distance for the rider to stop or avoid the car if he was moving at any reasonable speed. Many bikes and quads try and run so if he let him ride by he likely would have been gone. Maybe it was just a kid having fun, maybe it was one of the idiots that block intersections doing donuts, or ride down the freeways doing wheelies…

I’m not side what the last two sentences mean. Is there supposed to be some kinda different system of justice based upon…??
 

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Doing burnouts in front of my shop is perfectly legal. Parking lot is private property and the landlords haven’t bitched yet. Now on the street no it is a ticketable offense. I know the difference.

Ever take a little rip down the street by the shop? little acceleration pass? Testy, tuney pass?

RD
 

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Ever take a little rip down the street by the shop? little acceleration pass? Testy, tuney pass?

RD
Yup, and I have either waited till the people walking on the sidewalk are past me or I go elsewhere of there are too many people walking around. Shit happens quickly, I know and this guy found that out as well. I gave up doing that shit around people after my street racing accident that I paid dearly for. I fucked around and found out.
 

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And?




You are making the assumption he was gonna run someone over?

This is a minor infraction and the cop damn near killed it for it.. (that could very easily go either way).

What’s next run a stop sign and get strung up by your balls?
That would be awesome ! Every morning when I walk my dog we have a 4 way stop and people flat out run and I mean no brakes no hesitation just run the stop sign in a residential area. If they don't see anyone they just keep the gas pedal down.

I will revisit this thread when some kid on a scooter or skateboard makes a mistake and gets killed by one of these a hole drivers.

If they have an issue with it I will leave them this quote.

" Stop breaking the law asshole "
Fletcher Reede Liar Liar
 

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Well it would seem that it was just one quad. lol

As for the rest kid rock, ufc etc are all back on the bud light train.
Uhhh nope. I discovered the CL Pint size aluminum big mouth cans and have never gone back. Those things are taaaaaaaasssttttyyyyyyyyyy!
 

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That would be awesome ! Every morning when I walk my dog we have a 4 way stop and people flat out run and I mean no brakes no hesitation just run the stop sign in a residential area. If they don't see anyone they just keep the gas pedal down.

I will revisit this thread when some kid on a scooter or skateboard makes a mistake and gets killed by one of these a hole drivers.

If they have an issue with it I will leave them this quote.

" Stop breaking the law asshole "
Fletcher Reede Liar Liar
I did the street widening on a building we built for Amazon - we had to wait almost 6 months for Edison remove the power poles, we had already run conduits underground and the electricity had already been turned on. Nobody can touch Edison owned poles except them. At the two intersections we had barricades, temp stop signs, and delineators directing the traffic and lanes. Every Monday I’d return to the job to pick up and replace all the damaged barricades and straighten out all the delineators. People used to blow through the intersections all the time without stopping. Once we installed the signals we had 3 crashes the first day. People were just used to blowing through the intersections. After I got the street signed off, the next day someone blew through the intersection, hit an Amazon truck, and the truck hit the new signal pole and a pedestrian walk button post. I tried to get the police to sit and watch cars blow out the stop signs, but they were always too tied up. If the intersections had been enforced there wouldn’t have been the accidents, the same applies at that pedestrian walk.
 
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From the video it doesn't appear the cop was ever going more than four or five miles an hour he didn't swerve he just pulled over and stopped and the guy ran into him, now whose fault is that???
 

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I’m not side what the last two sentences mean. Is there supposed to be some kinda different system of justice based upon…??
sorry, it was someone else that said it may just be a kid out having fun. my bad.
 

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when we use this level of heavy handed tactics to enforce border crossings, then maybe the same level of enforcement could be warranted for riding a motorized vehicle on a pedestrian path.
 

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when we use this level of heavy handed tactics to enforce border crossings, then maybe the same level of enforcement could be warranted for riding a motorized vehicle on a pedestrian path.

Interesting take!
 

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Last week parked in channel late on a Tuesday afternoon, 3 dirt bikes, guessing around 125 size, riding full on wheelies going down the path on mainland side. Impressed how well the held the wheelies, but many walkers had to move out of the way to avoid being hit. Ironic this gets posted a couple days later.

I have no problem with what cop did in video. Quad had plenty of time to stop but chose not too.
 

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Interesting how more people go to the “does the punishment fit the crime” and gloss over the fact a crime or infraction was committed. How about starting the conversation there.

Clearly we don’t live in a society anymore that can read between the lines. Pick law and order or chaos and anarchy. There’s really no middle ground. I choose order. It’s pretty simple stay out of trouble. Don’t do stupid shit.

I have no problem with the quad rider becoming a hood ornament. I hope it happens to more of them.
 

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Last week parked in channel late on a Tuesday afternoon, 3 dirt bikes, guessing around 125 size, riding full on wheelies going down the path on mainland side. Impressed how well the held the wheelies, but many walkers had to move out of the way to avoid being hit. Ironic this gets posted a couple days later.

I have no problem with what cop did in video. Quad had plenty of time to stop but chose not too.
Not a big deal, the safety of those pedestrians on that pedestrian only walkway do not matter.🤷‍♂️
 

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Where does it end? Ever do a burnout in front of your shop? Want to hear a bunch of men typing about how it should only be on a closed drag strip? lol. I mean cmon..
something else came up and is an interesting parallel if you think about it.

look how eager our justice system is to hand out criminal charges for what amounts to self defense. example....the ex military guy in NY who restrained a wacko assaulting people on the subway is being prosecuted for effectively protecting people. or imagine someone breaks into your home and you shoot them, and then the charges start coming your way.....ya know, you didn't really have a way of knowing if you were in immanent danger, disapropriate use of force BS and so forth.

seems to me one could make the same argument for what this cop did. his direct action led to severe injurie (lucky the guy wasnt killed). yeah, i hope this guy sues the pants off the police force.

to me it feels like law enforcement is just going after low hanging fruit and dances around the serious issues we are dealing with. and maybe thats at the direction of their management. There is no way i would want to be a cop nowadays.

a friend of mines son just had a run it with CHP.....he was cut off by a semi, rolled his truck about 5x and is lucky to be alive. the cop gave the kid a field sobriety test and he failed. think you could walk a straight line after being banged up like that? the kid had some broken bones and so forth.

the accident happened almost to state line NV. the cop hauled the kid 2 hours back to Barstow. in the hospital the blood test came back 0.00. hope this kid gets his payout too.
 

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If it's a pedestrian path, why is there a cop car on it?

This used to be a thru traffic drive through the park. Closed because of COVID, apparently. City officials deemed it necessary? This isn't the Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica.
The barricade looks like it's just at one end. And laughable at that.

Not surprised a quad went for a ride. Too fast? Probably. Maybe the next time it'll be a shit truck instead of a quad.

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Would it be reasonable for an emergency vehicle - police car, fire engine or ambulance to walk in to help someone in need on that ped trail? Maybe you are bleeding out and the paramedic can either drive in or walk a mile. Which is more reasonable?

The police officer had every right to be on that ped trail doing his job and responding to complaints from the public.
 

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Folks should take a look at the Supreme Court decisions that provide guidance to police departments related to the use of force. These decisions are long standing and have withstood challenges. In addition to case law, department policies come into play here. Most of these polices are similar but some have become more restrictive which is why you see cops hesitating at times nowadays.

Tennessee v Garner (1985)
Graham v Connor (1989)

Without all of the facts its difficult to come up with a solid opinion on this video. I will say that the legal evaluation will boil down to the totality of the circumstances known to the officer at the time, the objective reasonableness standard as it applies to the to the two cases listed and department policies.

It looks like he made a split second decision to block the quads path in order to prevent pedestrians and bicyclists from being run over. The quad was going entirely too fast and obviously should not have been on the path.
 
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