ATV = 0 Police cruiser = 1

[rivermobster]

And?




You are making the assumption he was gonna run someone over?

This is a minor infraction and the cop damn near killed it for it.. (that could very easily go either way).

What’s next run a stop sign and get strung up by your balls?

I'm not ASSUMING anything. I watched the video.

The kid got Exactly what he deserved.

 

[rivermobster]

I don’t give a shit what that article said, almost killing a guy for riding an ATV on a walkPath is way out of line. And you can say pull an RD all you want, but the reality is that’s fucking crazy to do in any scenario.

RD

 

[Happy Smitty]

I've been riding quads forever. I also have a V-Rod, that's a bit tricked out.

I'm too fucking short, to ride a KTM 300, with 200 inches of wheel travel damit!

What do you ride anyway?

I ride dirtbikes and drink coors light. In my old riding group we had a few quad riders. We always gave them shit about riding quads and drinking MGD. There was one guy though on a banshee in glamis, he drinks Jack, that I thought I would show up. He was fast! I blew past him in my yz250, hit a bush burm and flew over the bars. My first visit to Brawley hospital, nurse was young and hot, stichet up my knee cap, I had a separated shoulder, got a bottle full of vicodin. I do have respect for that guy on the banshee and I know he wasn't one of the gay ones.

 

[rivermobster]

I ride dirtbikes and drink coors light. In my old riding group we had a few quad riders. We always gave them shit about riding quads and drinking MGD. There was one guy though on a banshee in glamis, he drinks Jack, that I thought I would show up. He was fast! I blew past him in my yz250, hit a bush burm and flew over the bars. My first visit to Brawley hospital, nurse was young and hot, stichet up my knee cap, I had a separated shoulder, got a bottle full of vicodin. I do have respect for that guy on the banshee and I know he wasn't one of the gay ones.

That's quite story!

Protip: There aren't many bushes to run into out in the big dunes. You should try and stay out of the baby dunes in the future.

 

[Ricks raft]

I don’t give a shit what that article said, almost killing a guy for riding an ATV on a walkPath is way out of line. And you can say pull an RD all you want, but the reality is that’s fucking crazy to do in any scenario.

RD

Generally agree with you. But not in this case. Guy was probably doing 60+ on a straightaway where he could see the cop car for a reasonable distance, but was going too fast to stop or avoid. No way he would have missed the people/kids walking, on bikes, and a stroller.

 

[RiverDave]

How would you have preferred for this to be handled?

Catch the guy later.. or setup a barricade or something.. but to swerve in front of the guy?

 

[Backlash]

Catch the guy later.. or setup a barricade or something.. but to swerve in front of the guy?

OK. So let's play this out. Say the ATV rider got past the police officer....and managed to get down the trail WITHOUT striking any of the pedestrians. How would you "Catch the guy later?" How would you identify the rider?

 

[4Waters]

OK. So let's play this out. Say the ATV rider got past the police officer....and managed to get down the trail WITHOUT striking any of the pedestrians. How would you "Catch the guy later?" How would you identify the rider?

With the license plate of course

 

[t&y]

OK. So let's play this out. Say the ATV rider got past the police officer....and managed to get down the trail WITHOUT striking any of the pedestrians. How would you "Catch the guy later?" How would you identify the rider?

Oh shit.. memories of mini bike pursuits inbound... hahahahaha

 

[rivermobster]

Catch the guy later.. or setup a barricade or something.. but to swerve in front of the guy?

Like later, After he kills someone?

Dave, you're normally pretty solid with your observations, but you're deep in right field on this one.

Did you watch the vid at all? At the speed he was going, the result was no way going to be good. And if think about it...

Setting up a baracade is exactly what transpired. And the cop didn't serve, he moved over easily to stop the guy.

ProTip: if the kid new how to ride, he would have grabbed a big handful of front brake. He stomped on the rear and lost control of the quad.

If you're gonna haul ass, it's best you know how to drive.

 

[wzuber]

Like later, After he kills someone?

Dave, you're normally pretty solid with your observations, but you're deep in right field on this one.

Did you watch the vid at all? At the speed he was going, the result was no way going to be good. And if think about it...

Setting up a baracade is exactly what transpired. And the cop didn't serve, he moved over easily to stop the guy.

ProTip: if the kid new how to ride, he would have grabbed a big handful of front brake. He stomped on the rear and lost control of the quad.

If you're gonna haul ass, it's best you know how to drive.

We'll....he may be more "educated" now if he has an ounce of accountability for his choices? Should we hold our collective breaths?

 

[rivermobster]

We'll....he may be more "educated" now if he has an ounce of accountability for his choices? Should we hold our collective breaths?

The rider? Doubtful. He's a complete idiot. I'm sure him and his family AND his lawyer, will place 100 percent of his "education" on the cop.

 

[RiverDave]

Like later, After he kills someone?

Dave, you're normally pretty solid with your observations, but you're deep in right field on this one.

Did you watch the vid at all? At the speed he was going, the result was no way going to be good. And if think about it...

Setting up a baracade is exactly what transpired. And the cop didn't serve, he moved over easily to stop the guy.

ProTip: if the kid new how to ride, he would have grabbed a big handful of front brake. He stomped on the rear and lost control of the quad.

If you're gonna haul ass, it's best you know how to drive.

lol ok

 

[zbudman]

People are drawing conclusions on a 55 second video. I’ll wait to see and hear all the evidence.

 

[bilz]

Hope the cop threw the quad in a dumpster.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Yeah, I don't see an issue with the cop blocking the road like that. The guy locked up the tires and skid sideways into a car that he could see from a LONG ways out and that turned a ways in front of him. If he cant control his quad on a pedestrian trail well enough to avoid that, how would he do so to avoid a kid that is a little wobbly on a bike? Or a jogger that moves over to go around someone else?

RD, sorry you don't like the result but the real idiot here is the the dumbass on the quad (no real shocker there though).

 

[traquer]

All the lowlifes and assholes who play too much GTA have to be reminded who's boss in real life when they're out in public. This cop did just that. Maybe a bit too much but oh well. Wish they'd do this to shoplifters and gangbangers in LA.

 

[Joker]

The only thing better would have been to see the riders head come through the windshield.

 

[rivrrts429]

I always laugh when somebody thinks the perp is a victim. Let’s be honest here for a minute… none of this happens without the behavior of the quad rider, none of it.

 

[rivermobster]

I always laugh when somebody thinks the perp is a victim. Let’s be honest here for a minute… none of this happens without the behavior of the quad rider, none of it.

Amen.

 

[RiverDave]

I always laugh when somebody thinks the perp is a victim. Let’s be honest here for a minute… none of this happens without the behavior of the quad rider, none of it.

Well, that’s a pretty slippery slope We’re going down now.

 

[rivermobster]

Well, that’s a pretty slippery slope We’re going down now.

Jezuz Dave, what is slippery and that?

To me, it's 100 percent fact, so I'm dying to hear what You think?

 

[RiverDave]

Jezuz Dave, what is slippery and that?

To me, it's 100 percent fact, so I'm dying to hear what You think?

By saying that anything and everything is the fault for one action is pretty dangerous and shamefully something that has in fact changed in this country over the past 20 or so years..

But any number of examples of how fucked up that logic is can be made and where does it start and end?

Let’s say you went on vacation and didn’t pay your car registration.. you arrive home and drive your truck home from the airport and are involved and n an accident that ends in fatalities..

Well I mean technically your truck shouldn’t have been on the road right?

Let’s say you went to a bar and had a bac of .06 and someone crashed into you at a stop sign. It is and has been prosecuted that if a person was a 100% sober they could possibly have had the natural reflexes to prevent the occurrence..

Hence slippery slope.. when you start taking minor things and making the responsible for major things that gets sketchy quick.

 

[rivermobster]

By saying that anything and everything is the fault for one action is pretty dangerous and shamefully something that has in fact changed in this country over the past 20 or so years..

But any number of examples of how fucked up that logic is can be made and where does it start and end?

Let’s say you went on vacation and didn’t pay your car registration.. you arrive home and drive your truck home from the airport and are involved and n an accident that ends in fatalities..

Well I mean technically your truck shouldn’t have been on the road right?

Let’s say you went to a bar and had a bac of .06 and someone crashed into you at a stop sign. It is and has been prosecuted that if a person was a 100% sober they could possibly have had the natural reflexes to prevent the occurrence..

Hence slippery slope.. when you start taking minor things and making the responsible for major things that gets sketchy quick.

Makes total sense.

I still don't see how it applies in this situation though?

 

[RiverDave]

Makes total sense.

I still don't see how it applies in this situation though?

At the heart of the matter people have defended basically lethal force for what amounts to an infraction..

That is what happens when you start escalating logic and enforcement. When it was said well none of it would happen unless he wasn’t doing it, you agreed. I just gave some examples
Of things on that same logic train.

Would anyone here be in favor of the cop just shooting the guy on the quad? Doing what he did. With the squad car isn’t much different when ya add it all up. Just a different means to an end.

RD

 

[rivrrts429]

By saying that anything and everything is the fault for one action is pretty dangerous and shamefully something that has in fact changed in this country over the past 20 or so years..

But any number of examples of how fucked up that logic is can be made and where does it start and end?

Let’s say you went on vacation and didn’t pay your car registration.. you arrive home and drive your truck home from the airport and are involved and n an accident that ends in fatalities..

Well I mean technically your truck shouldn’t have been on the road right?

Let’s say you went to a bar and had a bac of .06 and someone crashed into you at a stop sign. It is and has been prosecuted that if a person was a 100% sober they could possibly have had the natural reflexes to prevent the occurrence..

Hence slippery slope.. when you start taking minor things and making the responsible for major things that gets sketchy quick.

You’re trying to apply my statement to every single situation. I’m keeping this focused to this specific situation. Basically a guy hauling ass on a quad on a pedestrian path.

 

[rivermobster]

At the heart of the matter people have defended basically lethal force for what amounts to an infraction..

That is what happens when you start escalating logic and enforcement. When it was said well none of it would happen unless he wasn’t doing it, you agreed. I just gave some examples
Of things on that same logic train.

Would anyone here be in favor of the cop just shooting the guy on the quad? Doing what he did. With the squad car isn’t much different when ya add it all up. Just a different means to an end.

RD

No, because if he missed, he might have shot someone else.

I'm fine with the cops actions. I think he deserves a medal.

Clearly you don't agree, so we can agree to disagree at this point.

 

[bilz]

Both points could be applied here,
but dipshit needed that subtle reminder he was doing wrong and could have killed someone. Cop was ok in my book. Only hope it wasn't in ca.

 

[traquer]

At the heart of the matter people have defended basically lethal force for what amounts to an infraction..

That is what happens when you start escalating logic and enforcement. When it was said well none of it would happen unless he wasn’t doing it, you agreed. I just gave some examples
Of things on that same logic train.

Would anyone here be in favor of the cop just shooting the guy on the quad? Doing what he did. With the squad car isn’t much different when ya add it all up. Just a different means to an end.

RD

Good thing the cop has plausible deniability in this case. He didn't try to shoot him or anything, he just made a routine roadblock and miss-judged the distance because he was trained on the size and movement of cars and not smaller ATVs etc etc. Should be an easy case to defend. And *I think* from a moral perspective that's what the cop was planning as well, he didn't intend to ram him on purpose, as much as we enjoy watching it happen.

I agree 100% with RD's previous comment though, no one can argue that.

 

[DaveH]

i guess the problem with the law enforcement debate (for me anyways) is the consistency of law enforcement.

cops stand around and do nothing over serious crimes, yet practically kill this guy for riding an ATV on a ped/bike path.

think about how we have gotten to this point, and what to do about it now.

 

[rivermobster]

i guess the problem with the law enforcement debate (for me anyways) is the consistency of law enforcement.

cops stand around and do nothing over serious crimes, yet practically kill this guy for riding an ATV on a ped/bike path.

think about how we have gotten to this point, and what to do about it now.

The solution seems simple to me...

 

[Kbach]

Pfffffft. What could go wrong? The innocent ATV rider was just out for a good time not causing any harm.

You’d probably sing a different tune if the girl in the article below was your kid.

Bravo to the cop for stopping the a-hole on the ATV before he hurt someone else. Wish he was in NY when this poor girl got hit by a dirt bike on the street.

19-year-old college student in coma after being hit by illegal dirt bike

Police are still working to find and arrest the suspect.

www.wlbt.com

 

[SKIDMARC]

IMO, the cop probably didn't mean for this to happen. But was it a good idea to pull in front of the rider? No. I agree with @RiverDave , possibly kill someone because he made a mistake on a quad?

How many of us have taken our dirt bikes for a cruise around the block? I know I have, many times. There are pedestrians on the side walk too. So a cop should pull in front of me and almost kill me? WTF.

I understand to defend police, I usually do also, but this was ridiculous. The kid was wrong but so was the cop. Police department will get sued and lose.

 

[Aces & Eights]

I wasn’t there so I can’t say what the officer was thinking. But based on the video it doesn’t appear that the officer was applying “lethal force to an infraction”. The last thing the cop sees before the dipshit flying down the pedestrian walkway is several bicyclists, a couple of pedestrians, a small kid on a bike and a small kid being pushed in a stroller by one of the pedestrians. The cop seems to be driving slowly up the road and when he sees the ATV heading down the road he slowly turns his vehicle to block the roadway to prevent the ATV from continuing down the road and thus having contact with any of the bicycles or pedestrians.

The ATV rider was going way too fast and lost control of the bike and smashed into the cop car. That ignoramous had plenty of time and distance to slow down or stop but couldn’t manage to do that before he crashed into the police car. I think we all agree it’s much better that the nimrod collided with the police car vs any of the bikes or pedestrians.

Had we seen the officer accelerate and ram his cruiser into the ATV to try and stop it then that would’ve been a better depiction of use of deadly force. The video clearly shows that did not happen here.

 

[C-Ya]

Police department will get sued and lose.

This is a fact.

This case is beyond easy for even the worst attorney.

It’s almost laughable that some of you do not see how ridiculous this action was, by law enforcement. It’s your tax dollars being completely wasted!!!

 

[Nordie]

The cop doesn't deserve a metal, but calling what he did as excessive is also wrong.

The dude on the quad was booking it, I really don't think that was the cops intention. I think his intentions were to get the idiot stopped. You can't help it if someone rides over their head.

Also I think you guys are head over heals about this one. This is a simple open and shut case.

 

[240Hallett]

IMO, the cop probably didn't mean for this to happen. But was it a good idea to pull in front of the rider? No. I agree with @RiverDave , possibly kill someone because he made a mistake on a quad?

How many of us have taken our dirt bikes for a cruise around the block? I know I have, many times. There are pedestrians on the side walk too. So a cop should pull in front of me and almost kill me? WTF.

I understand to defend police, I usually do also, but this was ridiculous. The kid was wrong but so was the cop. Police department will get sued and lose.

So you were hauling ass on the sidewalk towards pedestrians?

 

[bonesfab]

When the cop pulled in front of the guy, Quad dude had distance to stop. or at least slow down. If quad rider wasn't going so fast where he was not even supposed to be, None of this would have happened anyway. Play stupid games and get stupid prizes. Enough of these dipshits that think they are above the law. It was a pedestrian path in a park. Not a high speed bike trail in the woods.

 

[rivermobster]

This is a fact.

This case is beyond easy for even the worst attorney.

It’s almost laughable that some of you do not see how ridiculous this action was, by law enforcement. It’s your tax dollars being completely wasted!!!

Speaking for myself...

I'd much rather spend a few bucks than see someone have to bury a loved one.

If I was the dad in post 82?

Yeah. Nuf said about that.

 

[BHC Vic]

I’ve always been a fan of the pit maneuver. This reminds me of it, but with a little different spin I guess

 

[Flying_Lavey]

When the cop pulled in front of the guy, Quad dude had distance to stop. or at least slow down. If quad rider wasn't going so fast where he was not even supposed to be, None of this would have happened anyway. Play stupid games and get stupid prizes. Enough of these dipshits that think they are above the law. It was a pedestrian path in a park. Not a high speed bike trail in the woods.

Also if he actually used the brakes properly, he likely would have stopped in time. He obviously wasn't using enough front brake at all since the rear was coming around quiet easily.

 

[Happy Smitty]

I'm not gonna comment on this particular move, hard to say without being there in person. I'd like to see this maneuver done on those street takeover thugs.

 

[RiverDave]

You almost can’t help but laugh at the ridiculousness of the text vs reality..

Unless you guys are screaming at the tv when the dukes of hazard or Smokey and the bandit comes on.. lol.

Some dude riding a quad down a path doesn’t deserve the death sentence no matter how much you are irritated by what’s going on in the inner cities with the take over stuff.

I don’t care if it’s an unpopular position it’s reality. Anybody that has had quads or Offroad vehicles has taken them for a quick rip around the block or in your neighborhood.. you don’t deserve to potentially die or be crippled For the rest of your life for it.

 

[mash on it]

If it's a pedestrian path, why is there a cop car on it?

This used to be a thru traffic drive through the park. Closed because of COVID, apparently. City officials deemed it necessary? This isn't the Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica.
The barricade looks like it's just at one end. And laughable at that.

Not surprised a quad went for a ride. Too fast? Probably. Maybe the next time it'll be a shit truck instead of a quad.

Dan'l

 

[bonesfab]

You almost can’t help but laugh at the ridiculousness of the text vs reality..

Unless you guys are screaming at the tv when the dukes of hazard or Smokey and the bandit comes on.. lol.

Some dude riding a quad down a path doesn’t deserve the death sentence no matter how much you are irritated by what’s going on in the inner cities with the take over stuff.

I don’t care if it’s an unpopular position it’s reality. Anybody that has had quads or Offroad vehicles has taken them for a quick rip around the block or in your neighborhood.. you don’t deserve to potentially die or be crippled For the rest of your life for it.

You are right. On a street or an alley where cars are normally at. NOT ON A WALKING / BIKING TRAIL IN A PARK. people enjoying the trail should not have to worry about some dipshit racing around on a quad at significant higher speed than what they are traveling. People still ride dirtbikes around my neighborhood. I passed a family of 5 riding their motorcycles around. Here it on the weekend. On the street. Not a people trail in a park.

 

[wzuber]

You are right. On a street or an alley where cars are normally at. NOT ON A WALKING / BIKING TRAIL IN A PARK. people enjoying the trail should not have to worry about some dipshit racing around on a quad at significant higher speed than what they are traveling. People still ride dirtbikes around my neighborhood. I passed a family of 5 riding their motorcycles around. Here it on the weekend. On the street. Not a people trail in a park.

Agreeeee......it was stated in the article that the cop was patroling the pedestrian path because there had been many complaint reports of this very type activity here. This was not an ISOLATED Incident.

 

[4Waters]

Agreeeee......it was stated in the article that the cop was patroling the pedestrian path because there had been many complaint reports of this very type activity here. This was not an ISOLATED Incident.

You mean there was a pattern of law breaking in that area

 

[wzuber]

You mean there was a pattern of law breaking

That's what usually happens when lawless type activity is allowed to go un- checked. LEO checked it like a hocky playa......

 

[DLC]

If the guy was traveling at 1/2 or 1/3 that speed he probably would be walking away….

 

[bilz]

I cruise my quad around the block before every trip. It's all I can do to stay off the sidewalks