Attacked while walking out pups

[stephenkatsea]

A few on here knew our fantastic giant breed Newfounland, "Sadie". She liked all people and other dogs. Until a river 'friend' held his POS little dog right into Sadie's face, according to him "so they could get to know each other". His POS bit Sadie right in her face and hung onto her lip. Sadie broke loose, looked at the dog like WTF, and then stood up in a "bring it on stance". This idiot 'friend' ran with his POS dog screaming, "Restrain your dog ! ! " BTW, Sadie was on a leash. Dogs are usually great. People . . . Naw, not so much.

 

[RiverDave]

AKC Dog show's, not to be confused with dog trade shows (like any other human activity) attract a small percentage of extremes. But by far (95% plus) most of the people and their dogs are mellow well behaved and great examples of people and dogs.

I've met some of the best people on the plant at AKC dog shows. But there is always a stinky butt in every crowd! lol

I would imagine the AKC deals would be much better then the trade shows. I used to want to punch myself in the face everytime I had to go to one of those f'n things.

RD

 

[DC-88]

The only dog that ever snuck up on me and took a real chunk of flesh was one of those big full size Poodles. I'm still scared shitless of those things

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

The only dog that ever snuck up on me and took a real chunk of flesh was one of those big full size Poodles. I'm still scared shitless of those things

Good thing it wasn't a pit bull because you most certainly would have died.

 

[Old Texan]

So after the requisite 100+ posts in the first '15 Pit Bull thread that has gone it's typical way, yet to me a bit more restrained, likely due to the frequency of these things.....Ill ask the regular question that never seems to be answered. Why are there so many pit bull attack incidents on the news around the nation if they are indeed such a friendly misunderstood breed???????

I guarantee Houston "averages" 3 per week that get on the news, with plenty more to choose from. I'm sure stats can be dug up to claim differently but it's what we see and hear on an ongoing basis for years now.

Just saying, the numbers reported have to mean something. At the minimum, Pits do the most damage.

 

[RiverDave]

So after the requisite 100+ posts in the first '15 Pit Bull thread that has gone it's typical way, yet to me a bit more restrained, likely due to the frequency of these things.....Ill ask the regular question that never seems to be answered. Why are there so many pit bull attack incidents on the news around the nation if they are indeed such a friendly misunderstood breed???????

I guarantee Houston "averages" 3 per week that get on the news, with plenty more to choose from. I'm sure stats can be dug up to claim differently but it's what we see and hear on an ongoing basis for years now.

Just saying, the numbers reported have to mean something. At the minimum, Pits do the most damage.

Mainly because there is no official breed of "pitbull." There are over 20 breeds of dogs that fall under "Pit Bull" for statistical purposes. For media purposes it's not headlines unless "Pit Bull attacks Child!!" Before Pitbulls it was Rottweilers, before rotweillers it was Dobermans..

When you hear news headlines everytime there's an accident it is "Alcohol MAY have been a factor." They aren't saying it was a factor, and they aren't saying it wasn't.. But they are punching the word "Alcohol" into your brain every single time. Even when it's clear that it had nothing to do with an accident they will say "Alcohol wasn't a factor." Which makes about as much sense as saying "The clear sunny day wasn't a factor in the accident." The cigarettes may have played a roll in the crash. The dog that attacked was a pitbull mix (which means, it could be anything..).

Even in the positive stories they do "This pitbull, a breed notorious for attacks, saved this old woman's life."
RD

 

[92562]

Show me ONE story where any color of lab, sheba inu, Australian Sheppard, sheep dog or several other breeds "suddenly attack!" either another dog or human. All breeds are not the same. All humans are not the same (Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Asians, Arabs, terrorists, etc.) some suck!!!

 

[BHC Vic]

Show me ONE story where any color of lab, sheba inu, Australian Sheppard, sheep dog or several other breeds "suddenly attack!" either another dog or human. All breeds are not the same. All humans are not the same (Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Asians, Arabs, terrorists, etc.) some suck!!!

I could have my wife post about ALL breeds of dogs attacking either at doggy day camp or in the grooming saloon. Just recently a lab bit an employee

 

[Old Texan]

Hmmmmm........

A nine-year (1979?88) study of fatal dog attacks in the United States found that dogs characterized as pit bulls were implicated in 42 of the 101 attacks where the breed was known.[29] A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds.[30] A 5-year (1989?94) review of fatal dog attacks in the U.S. determined that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (29%) of the 84 deaths in which breed was recorded.[31]

A 20-year (1979?1998) study by the American Veterinary Medical Association into fatal dog attacks on humans[32] concluded that "fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers)," and that "pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half" (67%) of all the 238 recorded dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF) in the United States during that period, with pit bulls accounting for 66 deaths. They also wrote that:

It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities.[32]

A 15-year (1991?2005) review of dog attack fatalities investigated by the Kentucky Medical Examiner determined that pit bulls were implicated in 5 of the 11 fatal attacks (45%).[33] Another 15-year (1994?2009) review of patients admitted to a Level I Trauma Center with dog bites determined that pit bulls were most often involved in these attacks: of the 228 patients treated, the breed of dog was recorded in 82 attacks, and of these, 29 (35%) of the attacks were by pit bulls.[34] In 45% of the attacks, the dog belonged to the victim's family.[34]

A five-year (2001?05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.[35] The authors wrote:

?the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators.[35]

A review of the medical literature found that pit bulls and pit bull cross-breeds were involved in 42?45% of dog attacks.[36] Fatalities were most often reported when children were attacked, with 70% of victims being under the age of 10.[36]

Some other studies on the number of human deaths caused by dog bite trauma have surveyed news media stories for reports of dog-bite-related fatalities. This methodology is subject to potential errors, as some fatal attacks may not have been reported, a study might not find all relevant news reports, and the dog breed might be misidentified.[37]

Courts in the United States[38][39] and Canada[40][41] have ruled that expert identification, when using published breed standards, is sufficient for the enforcement of breed-specific legislation

 

[was thatguy]

Mainly because there is no official breed of "pitbull." There are over 20 breeds of dogs that fall under "Pit Bull" for statistical purposes. For media purposes it's not headlines unless "Pit Bull attacks Child!!" Before Pitbulls it was Rottweilers, before rotweillers it was Dobermans..

When you hear news headlines everytime there's an accident it is "Alcohol MAY have been a factor." They aren't saying it was a factor, and they aren't saying it wasn't.. But they are punching the word "Alcohol" into your brain every single time. Even when it's clear that it had nothing to do with an accident they will say "Alcohol wasn't a factor." Which makes about as much sense as saying "The clear sunny day wasn't a factor in the accident." The cigarettes may have played a roll in the crash. The dog that attacked was a pitbull mix (which means, it could be anything..).

Even in the positive stories they do "This pitbull, a breed notorious for attacks, saved this old woman's life."
RD

Do you really believe all that?

 

[wsuwrhr]

Media Sensationalism.

Same could be said for many things that are forced down our throats.

 

[was thatguy]

So after the requisite 100+ posts in the first '15 Pit Bull thread that has gone it's typical way, yet to me a bit more restrained, likely due to the frequency of these things.....Ill ask the regular question that never seems to be answered. Why are there so many pit bull attack incidents on the news around the nation if they are indeed such a friendly misunderstood breed???????

I guarantee Houston "averages" 3 per week that get on the news, with plenty more to choose from. I'm sure stats can be dug up to claim differently but it's what we see and hear on an ongoing basis for years now.

Just saying, the numbers reported have to mean something. At the minimum, Pits do the most damage.

The numbers DO mean something Tex.
You know it, I know it.

The media didn't invent the statistics that put pit bulls at the top of the "not covered" list by home owner insurance companies.

Pit bull owners on THIS site are generally home owners with families and responsibility.
"Good" dog owners overall.
For the most part they will never see a pit bull disaster close up.
The "squabbles" they do see may result in the death or injury of another dog.
They will downplay those incidents and have excuses for whatever happens.

Their "babies" will never be at fault, and the incident will be "exaggerated" by the media and anti pit bull crowd.
(Me)

They will post hundreds of images with small children frolicking with 100lb pits seemingly smiling at the camera, and in the same post discuss the best ways to make their dogs "unlock" their jaws.

But you know the old saying in the oilfield: "one oh shit wipes out 10 atta boys"?

Most of these owners will not see their dogs kill a kid or any other person. Most will see their dog involved in some sort of altercation with another dog. (Like any dog owner)

But statistically speaking, someone on here will be involved in a very serious pit bull incident. There is no way around it. But they still might not be convinced, as they spend a lot of time making excuses for their dogs. (For less responsible owners, that is a full time job)

So, yeah, the only way any of them will change their mind is when they see it. It's the only way I changed my mind.
Now, when I see little kids frolicking with pit bulls I cringe. It makes me wonder who's small child will become the next statistic. I guess only time will tell.
Every single pit owner on here will now lambaste me and probably post those great pics, but they dont realize that they are entered in the pit bull headline sweepstakes.

 

[wsuwrhr]

The same media invented the low murder rate in Chicago too. Hardly ever hear about it unless someone goes looking for it.

I am sure a bite from a dipshit poodle or ankle biter is reported the same, right.

Kinda like a man calling the cops because his wife slapped him around. Guess what? Don't happen as often.

I guess I have two entries into the sweepstakes "broad brusher".

Just saying.

The numbers DO mean something Tex.
You know it, I know it.

The media didn't invent the statistics that put pit bulls at the top of the "not covered" list by home owner insurance companies.

Pit bull owners on THIS site are generally home owners with families and responsibility.
"Good" dog owners overall.
For the most part they will never see a pit bull disaster close up.
The "squabbles" they do see may result in the death or injury of another dog.
They will downplay those incidents and have excuses for whatever happens.

Their "babies" will never be at fault, and the incident will be "exaggerated" by the media and anti pit bull crowd.
(Me)

They will post hundreds of images with small children frolicking with 100lb pits seemingly smiling at the camera, and in the same post discuss the best ways to make their dogs "unlock" their jaws.

But you know the old saying in the oilfield: "one oh shit wipes out 10 atta boys"?

Most of these owners will not see their dogs kill a kid or any other person. Most will see their dog involved in some sort of altercation with another dog. (Like any dog owner)

But statistically speaking, someone on here will be involved in a very serious pit bull incident. There is no way around it. But they still might not be convinced, as they spend a lot of time making excuses for their dogs. (For less responsible owners, that is a full time job)

So, yeah, the only way any of them will change their mind is when they see it. It's the only way I changed my mind.
Now, when I see little kids frolicking with pit bulls I cringe. It makes me wonder who's small child will become the next statistic. I guess only time will tell.
Every single pit owner on here will now lambaste me and probably post those great pics, but they dont realize that they are entered in the pit bull headline sweepstakes.

 

[was thatguy]

The same media invented the low murder rate in Chicago too. Hardly ever hear about it unless someone goes looking for it.

I am sure a bite from a dipshit poodle or ankle biter is reported the same, right.

Kinda like a man calling the cops because his wife slapped him around. Guess what? Don't happen as often.

Just saying.

Yeah, I know.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Yeah, I know.

Just checkin.

You and I agree completely on many things, just not this one.

 

[RCDave]

One of the great things about AKC dog shows is agression is not tolerated. One aggressive incident or growl at a judge will end up with a permenant benching of a dog and if necessary the owner/breeder. In that would there are consequences to poorly bred dog temperments.

 

[was thatguy]

Just checkin.

You and I agree completely on many things, just not this one.

Agreed!

When ankle biters go off it's sort of funny, not really news "worthy"?

When pits go off it's generally not funny at all.

My bias on this subject is well founded. My pits never did anything but be great dogs. But when I saw what happened to my friend's baby, and the absolute destruction of his entire family because of it, there was no way I was going to risk that. No sir, no way, no how.

The media loves their headlines, no question about it.
Pit bulls give them plenty of them.

But I also realize the difference between you and your dogs (good owner, good dogs) vs a thug with 3 killers on the end of a logging chain.

 

[Old Texan]

A thing I'd like to add is I'm not against Pit bulls by any means. I just believe there are a lot of opinions about them that are not based on anything more than personal opinions and experiences. So that is what I'm doing, posting about what I have seen in my 64 years.

I have lived in several states. Grew up in MI, Moved to TX in '71, lived in FL for several years in mid 70's, and back to TX except for '99-'06 in GA. Raised in farm/ranch country and spent a 90% of my years in rural areas. Been around animals, wild and domestic all my life. Have friends and relatives that hunt behind dogs. Bears, coons, hogs, birds, and other game animals. Have been around numerous breeds of hog dogs, from smaller pits to huge pit breeds weighing up to 180 lbs. These hog dogs are bred, raised, and kept for the sole purpose of hunting feral/wild hogs. Seen some get torn up bad. Seen most tear up hogs bad.

I've seen a blackbear literally crush the skull of a Black and Tan hunting dog. I've attended illegal dog fights. Which are brutal and not at all entertaining except at a very primal level. Some dogs live right in the home as family pet. Weird to me but none the less.....

The big 180# dog's name is Churchill and belongs to a close friend. He stays in a fence surrounding their home. Churchill is very friendly to me and others who come to visit and are "let in" by the owner. If the owner is not there, do not reach over the fence or you will lose whatever body part that enters Churchill's yard. I've seen Churchill literally tear the throat out of a 200# feral boar. I've also seen him gently nip at his lil' 15# terrier runnin' buddy and lick the cheek of a 3 year old little girl.

I've seen "family pets" travel in packs at night, kill deer, sheep, and other animals. Owners were in denial their "pets" would revert to being a primal hunter. They were wrong and many were faced with fines when the Game Warden dropped off the dead carcass after the animal was put down on the loose. had a buddy who denied his Lab would kill chickens until he came home with a mouth full of feathers followed by the neighbor lady with the chicken carcass.....Expensive lesson on that one for my buddy.

So let's just say my opinion on dogs is based on life experiences outside of the back yard or living room. Just like Tommy, WTG, has said over and over, all is good until it's not....Animals are animals and they sometimes do some really bad stuff for no apparent reason. And those that equipped with the tools, will do the most damage. And then change back to a docile panting gentle pet right before one's eyes.

Like the article I posted, 40+% of dog attacks are from the dog living in your home.....That tells me something that I've seen proven out and I for one remember it at all times I'm around animals.

Carry on.

 

[RiverDave]

Show me ONE story where any color of lab, sheba inu, Australian Sheppard, sheep dog or several other breeds "suddenly attack!" either another dog or human. All breeds are not the same. All humans are not the same (Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Asians, Arabs, terrorists, etc.) some suck!!!

There have been twos members kids on this site (little kids) that were suddenly attacked by Goldens. I have been attacked by two dogs. Both were chocolate labs (years apart from each other). Neighbor in the keys was flat out mauled by a golden. There was several other stories on here about labs as well, but those are from people I know personally..

 

[RiverDave]

Do you really believe all that?

Want to watch some news clips? Lol

 

[was thatguy]

Want to watch some news clips? Lol

Lol.

We both know that video wars are always a tie!

 

[Abc123]

 

[Stainless]

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Are they safe around kids?

 

[was thatguy]

Are they safe around kids?

Yes, but still psychotic and unpredictable!!!!:yikes:thumbup::thumbup:

 

[wsuwrhr]

Are they safe around kids?

I hope at least a few of them are.

Any of them can maul me at anytime.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I see one for the sideboob thread and none for the toe thread

 

[Abc123]

Don't want previous post to come off breedist (is that even a word)?


Blondes

 

[Stainless]

Yes, but still psychotic and unpredictable!!!!:yikes:thumbup::thumbup:

I bet they roam too.

 

[Stainless]

Don't want previous post to come off breedist (is that even a word)?


Blondes

Black labs and golden retrievers, got any Irish setters?

 

[wsuwrhr]

Any of them can maul me at anytime

 

[Abc123]

Black labs and golden retrievers, got any Irish setters?

Excuse me for forgetting. It is the ginger holiday for fuck's sake!

 

[Stainless]

Excuse me for forgetting. It is the ginger holiday for fuck's sake!

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Gawd Damn! [emoji5]️

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I could have my wife post about ALL breeds of dogs attacking either at doggy day camp or in the grooming saloon. Just recently a lab bit an employee

If someone were squeezing my anal glands they would likely get bit also but I think he was referring more to the outright maulings rather than a nip at the parlor.

 

[RiverDave]

If someone were squeezing my anal glands they would likely get bit also but I think he was referring more to the outright maulings rather than a nip at the parlor.

You know what kinda dogs don't nip at the Parlor?

RD

 

[Abc123]

If your focus is still on dogs you might be:gayfight

 

[Ziggy]

If your focus is still on dogs you might be:gayfight

Mine went to doggie

 

[BHC Vic]

If someone were squeezing my anal glands they would likely get bit also but I think he was referring more to the outright maulings rather than a nip at the parlor.

Lab just attacked a boxer not too
Long ago in the doggy day camp.

 

[Abc123]

Mine went to doggie

LMFAO!

 

[RiverDave]

If your focus is still on dogs you might be:gayfight

ok Dennis.. Or I might just be married with 3 kids, and looking at one of those chicks just looks like a bunch of expensive payments to me.

RD

 

[Mr. C]

ok Dennis.. Or I might just be married with 3 kids, and looking at one of those chicks just looks like a bunch of expensive payments to me.

RD

You're married....NOT DEAD!!!! I mean holy shit enjoy the view.:thumbup:

 

[wsuwrhr]

ok Dennis.. Or I might just be married with 3 kids, and looking at one of those chicks just looks like a bunch of expensive payments to me.

RD

Hypothetically speaking of course... If one or more of them attacked us, what should be the correct course of action be? I'm not sure I will remember to squeeze their anal gland. :eek

 

[Stainless]

Hypothetically speaking of course... If one or more of them attacked us, what should be the correct course of action be? I'm not sure I will remember to squeeze their anal gland. :eek

Get them in the wheel barrow hold

 

[wsuwrhr]

Get them in the wheel barrow hold

I read that takes the fight out of them. Is that what we are trying to accomplish?

 

[Abc123]

I will remember to squeeze their anal gland. :eek

Get them in the wheel barrow hold

Yea, especially the red heads. They like that kinky shit. :thumbup:

 

[wsuwrhr]

Excuse me for forgetting. It is the ginger holiday for fuck's sake!

As I said in another "related" thread...

I do miss my redhead.

 

[RiverDave]

You're married....NOT DEAD!!!! I mean holy shit enjoy the view.:thumbup:

Oh I do.. LOL But this subject at hand is very personal to me for a variety of reasons. I suppose it comes from a decade of owning pitbulls and having to hear all this shit how my dog was evil. How my dog should be put down. How Breed Specific Legislation is a good thing (and it came to the brink of passing a few times locally.. Which that means they come to your house, take your dog and kill it). I guess it comes from staring at fire arms and wondering if it's going to come down to a scenario where I'm going to have to kill some mother fucker for trying to come into my house and take my dog for the purpose of killing it.

Some of it I'm sure comes from various scenarios like walking my dog, and having a lady and their kid come up, and the kid petting the dog for a few minutes before the mom saying "Hey what kind of dog is that?" and me saying "Well actually it's a pit mix" only to have the lady snatch the kid and jump back in absolute horror. (It actually startled the shit out of me), and me saying "Mam.. that's the same dog your kid was just petting for the last 5 minutes?"

Might come from these fucking jack off's that spoil the fuck out of their dogs and treat them like humans, and when their dogs act like assholes find everything to blame it on except their little angel. Could come from going to the dog parks, and then when one of those jack off's little angels attempts to hump my dog and they skirmish for a second the other guy saying "I can't believe your pit bull..."

I could go on.. But I'll just finish with, my last 2 dogs were the best dogs (by a long shot) of any dogs I have ever had in my life. I have a different breed of dog now, simply because of the ignorance of others. It's the threads like these where people share the negativity, the brain washed opinions, and skewed and warped stats that take BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) an inch closer.. and I'm sure there's some guy somewhere, at his house concerned that someone is going to come and take a member of his family (kinda like the nazi's) and kill it, then give it the old mass burial.

So if I can spend a few minutes of my time shedding some light on that, and maybe pushing back a little on behalf of that gentlemen. Then I guess I will. Because Evil is what happens when good men stand by and do nothing.

RD

 

[Abc123]

Ladies love the beagle. The only thing they'll attack is your food.

 

[RiverDave]

I don't mean to go off on this subject every time is comes up.. but it is crazy to me how brain washed people are on all fronts.

I can walk up and ask my mom "What was your favorite dog that was in our family in all of your years." She won't skip a beat and answer "Neva." (the pitbull) and then I'll ask her "Would you ever consider owning a pitbull?" And she would response "God no.. I hate those dogs.. Neva was special though, she was different."

The media has played on the fears of people for so long, it is actually engrained in their brains now to hate something, that at least in this instance they love? It's crazy to me.

RD

 

[Ibeplumbing]

Ladies love the beagle. The only thing they'll attack is your food.

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Wu tang clan ain't nuttin to fuck with

 

[Ziggy]

You're married....NOT DEAD!!!! I mean holy shit enjoy the view.:thumbup:

Read the menu all I want so long as I go home for supper.