AR-15..

[77charger]

What makes my .. oh, err... my friends AR15 a "military grade weapon". What other "military grade weapon" do you want to talk about?

Don't you you change a couple of pins and add a banana clip it makes it a machine gun. LOL 🙈

 

[941Punk]

You didn't stick a corona in your ass did you?

He did that? Holy hell.

No, I only drink it and grew up in the city with the same name.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I'm all for rights to own guns. Hell, I think you should own as many guns and ammo that your wife will let you.
But what I don't understand is the need for something like an AR-15. Do we as civilians really need theses?

Am I missing the point on the practicality of the use besides taking it out in the desert and shooting TVs?

Flame away.

Because the police have no obligation to protect you,(a very nasty fact) and in time of civil unrest like riots or earthquakes their presence is absolutely non existent.

Case in point -

During the LA riots when the black gangs were firebombing Korean store owners there were full auto shootouts going on.
They would firebomb the roofs then when the occupant would run out to avoid being burned alive - they would gun them down like dogs.

Call the cops- big surprise no one is coming, a taser and or mace isnt going to send the right message to the rioting crowd.

Idiots like these last two guys are going to fuck this up for everyone.

UD

 

[t&y]

Don't you you change a couple of pins and add a banana clip it makes it a machine gun. LOL 

Not exactly, but for the purpose of this discussion... Sure? So I'm still wondering if that makes it "Military Grade" or not... lol Maybe we will never know.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

With minimal knowledge, but a gut feeling the CIA is as corrupt as the Mexican Govt. I always get a feeling that they may very well be behind a few of these tragedies to push an agenda and a power grab taking away our rights of tyrannical government. Those planes definitely went into the twin towers, but what hit the Pentagon was NOT a plane. It was a missile for sure.

I'll shut up now and go back to my theories...not FACTS.

 

[941Punk]

Please define "military grade" please, good sir.

I'm a gun novice, so military grade was a mistake on my part.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Not exactly, but for the purpose of this discussion... Sure? So I'm still wondering if that makes it "Military Grade" or not... lol Maybe we will never know.

Yep, still waiting for a definition, or explanation of the statement.

 

[Old Texan]

Whoa! Calm your trigger finger shooter.

I'm looking for insight on why we need military grade weapons. No one talking about taking your gun bro.

They're really not military grade from the point they are not full auto. As has been mentioned multiple times, they are just another gun. There are many semi auto type guns available and not considered military in style.

The 2A gives the citizen the right to keep and bear arms. It's how the FF's wanted it and it's how the majority of citizens want it.

In fact the neighbor of the TX church saved lives by confronting the insane shooter and stopped him. He did so because he had a gun and the right to use it. And it was not an AR platform type gun that stopped the shooter.

Crazies are the ones causing these issues and if not guns they would be using other means. What if the shooter had place a bomb under or within the same church? His goal was to kill innocents and he could have easily used other means. Instead he dressed as a warrior and shot people. He was crazy and he was a coward. Guns had nothing to do with the root cause of his insane act......May he rot in hell.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I'm a gun novice, so military grade was a mistake on my part.

Ok thank you.

 

[t&y]

Because the police have no obligation to protect you,(a very nasty fact) and in time of civil unrest like riots or earthquakes their presence is absolutely non existent.

This is true for the most part. The U.S.S.C has ruled that police have no obligation to protect for the very simple reason of not being able to sue the police, when you get assualted/robbed/etc.. and they are not their to protect you. We can still be fired for neglect to act. The people just can't sue us for not being there to act, or not acting if present but no action taken. Think riot situation, cops standing there in a line, dude getting his ass kicked by the peaceful protesters, cops don't rush right in to save him. Far to many examples but you get the point.

As far as the last part of that sentence, I have no idea where you get that. I'll call you up next time and you can come down and help.:thumbsup

Case in point -

During the LA riots when the black gangs were firebombing Korean store owners there were full auto shootouts going on.
They would firebomb the roofs then when the occupant would run out to avoid being burned alive - they would gun them down like dogs.

Call the cops- big surprise no one is coming, a taser and or mace isnt going to send the right message to the rioting crowd.

Fun fact. The Lapdogs got told to stand down and get the Fuck out to the perimeter. I know a few who were on at the time and everyone of them was pissed off they couldn't take action. You can thank your local government and police chief for that decision, not the line guys.

Idiots like these last two guys are going to fuck this up for everyone.

UD

Which leads to conspiracy theory's about the true cause for some of them. Sounds like the last guy was really more along the lines of a whach job, who should have not been in possession in the first place.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm a gun novice, so military grade was a mistake on my part.

Go to a gun store and ask the guy behind the counter your question. You?ll leave the store realizing that the term ?assault weapon? is a farce.

 

[Gramps]

If someone thinks an AR is a "military grade weapon" and should be banned I wonder what are their thoughts are on a Colt 1911 and a Beretta 92........

 

[Tank]

You guys, he just opened a conversation about it. Maybe it was a legit question. Take away the fact that if you give an inch to those that wish to ban guns, they'll want to take a mile, so just take that right off the table for a second. If you have a weapon that causes the most destruction and kills the most civilians in a mass shooting scenario, should we not conceder getting rid of it? That's all I think he was asking.

Now, if you can't reply with an open dialog and comprehensible reason why we should keep them, then don't expect them not to get banned. Retorting "because of the 2nd amendment" isn't gonna fly either because the other side will say, "we're not talking 'ALL' guns, just this death machine gun". I'm just saying - calm rational reasoning and explanation. Yes, I know that approach doesn't work on the fanatics but it does work on reasonable people - luckily there seems to me more reasonable people on the subject than not....for now.

Oh, and I own multiple AR's in various caliber and I don't hunt...I just like them.

 

[Old Texan]

With minimal knowledge, but a gut feeling the CIA is as corrupt as the Mexican Govt. I always get a feeling that they may very well be behind a few of these tragedies to push an agenda and a power grab taking away our rights of tyrannical government. Those planes definitely went into the twin towers, but what hit the Pentagon was NOT a plane. It was a missile for sure.

I'll shut up now and go back to my theories...not FACTS.

Oh good grief......:rolleyes

So what then happened to American Airline Flight 77? The theory of that plane not being hijacked and hitting he Pentagon is complete and utter nonsense......C'mon, far too much confirmed evidence.

 

[Uncle Dave]

This is true for the most part. The U.S.S.C has ruled that police have no obligation to protect for the very simple reason of not being able to sue the police, when you get assualted/robbed/etc.. and they are not their to protect you. We can still be fired for neglect to act. The people just can't sue us for not being there to act, or not acting if present but no action taken. Think riot situation, cops standing there in a line, dude getting his ass kicked by the peaceful protesters, cops don't rush right in to save him. Far to many examples but you get the point.

As far as the last part of that sentence, I have no idea where you get that. I'll call you up next time and you can come down and help.:thumbsup



Fun fact. The Lapdogs got told to stand down and get the Fuck out to the perimeter. I know a few who were on at the time and everyone of them was pissed off they couldn't take action. You can thank your local government and police chief for that decision, not the line guys.



Which leads to conspiracy theory's about the true cause for some of them. Sounds like the last guy was really more along the lines of a whach job, who should have not been in possession in the first place.

I'm not anti cop, and have many friends on the force - I don't pull the protection clause out as anything other than mere fact.
If you follow my threads you know this.

Where I "get that from" is I called " you" and not only did "you" not help - there wasn't even an answer to the call.
I barely got my employees out alive (using weapons as a deterrent) before my business was looted and firebombed.
I / we - were on our own.

Even if Gates and Bradley had their shit together - a big if- There was no way you guys could be everywhere at once.
The ONE thing we can count on municipal "leader" not having their shit together every time.

When the SHTF like the king riots - there is no help for you you are on your own.
Being on an equal footing with the bad guys is why I want to protect my right to own a semi auto and large magazine.

Ill bet we find the guy was either on SSRI's or withdrawing from them like so many murderous lunatics these days- a reality the drug industry will fight tooth and nail to avoid coming out.


UD

 

[t&y]

I'm not anti cop, and have many friends on the force - I don't pull the protection clause out as anything other than mere fact.
If you follow my threads you know this.

Where I "get that from" is I called " you" and not only did "you" not help - there wasn't even an answer to the call.
I barely got my employees out alive (using weapons as a deterrent) before my business was looted and firebombed.
I / we - were on our own.

Even if Gates and Bradley had their shit together - a big if- There was no way you guys could be everywhere at once.
The ONE thing we can count on municipal "leader" not having their shit together every time.

When the SHTF like the king riots - there is no help for you you are on your own.
Being on an equal footing with the bad guys is what I want to protect my right to own a semi auto and large magazine.

Ill bet we find the guy was either on SSRI's or withdrawing from them like so many murderous lunatics these days- a reality the dog industry will fight tooth and nail to avoid coming out.


UD

Sweet, so next time I'm standing on a line, or evacuating people, I'll just tell them "we were never here". It will be like the line in the navy seal movie when they rescue the guy out that gate. Totally bitchen...

 

[Trash]

I'm all for rights to own guns. Hell, I think you should own as many guns and ammo that your wife will let you.
But what I don't understand is the need for something like an AR-15. Do we as civilians really need theses?

Am I missing the point on the practicality of the use besides taking it out in the desert and shooting TVs?

Flame away.

Has nothing to do with needs. Has everything to do with rights.

 

[Icky]

With minimal knowledge, but a gut feeling the CIA is as corrupt as the Mexican Govt. I always get a feeling that they may very well be behind a few of these tragedies to push an agenda and a power grab taking away our rights of tyrannical government. Those planes definitely went into the twin towers, but what hit the Pentagon was NOT a plane. It was a missile for sure.

I'll shut up now and go back to my theories...not FACTS.

So you still think planes dropped those two buildings?

 

[Tank]

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Fuckin LOVE this!!!

 

[Uncle Dave]

Sweet, so next time I'm standing on a line, or evacuating people, I'll just tell them "we were never here". It will be like the line in the navy seal movie when they rescue the guy out that gate. Totally bitchen...

There wasnt anyone at Hollywood and Highland that afternoon when the angry mob cocktailed my business - with people in it.

When someone asks me why I think I need a semi automatic and large cap mag the ugly sad truth is that when I really needed help - there was no around but me to keep my people from being murdered by a mob intent on killing.


UD

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

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[LargeOrangeFont]

You guys, he just opened a conversation about it. Maybe it was a legit question. Take away the fact that if you give an inch to those that wish to ban guns, they'll want to take a mile, so just take that right off the table for a second. If you have a weapon that causes the most destruction and kills the most civilians in a mass shooting scenario, should we not conceder getting rid of it? That's all I think he was asking.

Now, if you can't reply with an open dialog and comprehensible reason why we should keep them, then don't expect them not to get banned. Retorting "because of the 2nd amendment" isn't gonna fly either because the other side will say, "we're not talking 'ALL' guns, just this death machine gun". I'm just saying - calm rational reasoning and explanation. Yes, I know that approach doesn't work on the fanatics but it does work on reasonable people - luckily there seems to me more reasonable people on the subject than not....for now.

Oh, and I own multiple AR's in various caliber and I don't hunt...I just like them.

More people die from handguns than rifles by huge margins. Why are we so concerned with rifles?

 

[Uncle Dave]

Don't take it so personal. I think all UD is saying is simply, "Cops can't be everywhere all the time to protect you so you have to protect yourself". I don't think he is unappreciative of what LE does do.

If you get orders to stand down no matter how badly you want to respond, you are going to obey those orders. In that scenario citizens will have to do what they have to do and an AR-15 will help them do just that.:thumbsup

Yup no way they could have been everywhere regardless of orders.

My point is when the shit hits the fan you are on your own .......and it will hit the fan again, either the next big earthquake, or some kind of riot.

I only bring up the protection issue because there are tons of foolish liberals who believe that no matter what is happening - someone will come running to their rescue when and if the bad guys go on a spree- and thats simply fantasy.

I wanted to be a cop as a younger man and tried to join up - "but they weren't hiring white guys" back then. I have lots of respect for the law and the profession, and those that choose that line of work.


UD

 

[t&y]

There wasnt anyone at Hollywood and Highland that afternoon when the angry mob cocktailed my business - with people in it.

When someone asks me why I think I need a semi automatic and large cap mag the ugly sad truth is that when I really needed help - there was no around but me to keep my people from being murdered by a mob intent on killing.


UD

Awesome. So you mean you were within your rights and took action to defend yourself and others. I love it:thumbsup Sorry we don't have cops on every corner. Logistically impossible. Glad you made it out ok.

I'm not arguing with you about anything here. Reality is when the shit hits the fan, everyone out there needs to have a plan, and be able to care for themselves if possible. I am not one for a nanny state, nor was I even around when those riots occurred. But if you are barking up the tree of the cops on the street, you are wasting your breath. I'd love it if every time I responded to a robbery just occurred call at a business, the business owner told me... "Well, they came into rob me, and that is them laying in that pool of blood over there." Real world shit versus what this state wants everyone to be.:thumbsup

 

[Tank]

More people die from handguns than rifles by huge margins. Why are we so concerned with rifles?

Oh, I'm familiar with the statistics. Devils advocate here - I presume the concern (form those concerned) is that rifles ability to take out multiple targets at one time, ease of obtainability and ability to be modified. Again, just devils advocate. High profile incidents draw much scrutiny.

 

[t&y]

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Think you guys are taking my responses out of context. Not taking it personal at all.:thumbsup

 

[thmterry]

In Kern county the Sherriff does not have any deputies on duty in our area from Midnight till 8am. How crazy is that? Money problems is the same old excuse. So if you have a problem after midnight you are on your own till morning or until another agency decides to help.

 

[t&y]

Oh, I'm familiar with the statistics. Devils advocate here - I presume the concern (form those concerned) is that rifles ability to take out multiple targets at one time, ease of obtainability and ability to be modified. Again, just devils advocate. High profile incidents draw much scrutiny.

Hmmmm. I have a 2 ton truck sitting in the driveway. Wonder if I put that thing in 4 wheel drive, and drove into a large crowd what the outcome would be? Sure glad that isn't happening anywhere.

Notice how nobody blamed the truck for the last New York attack. Gee I wonder why.

 

[Old Texan]

Ill bet we find the guy was either on SSRI's or withdrawing from them like so many murderous lunatics these days- a reality the drug industry will fight tooth and nail to avoid coming out.


UD

Bingo.......Mind altering drugs used to deal with mental health is a damned good place to start in shutting down the cowardly loons. Far more than trying to make "tools" harder to get.

The nation has a huge prescription drug problem not being addressed and many of the loons causing these mass horrors are part of that problem.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Hmmmm. I have a 2 ton truck sitting in the driveway. Wonder if I put that thing in 4 wheel drive, and drove into a large crowd what the outcome would be? Sure glad that isn't happening anywhere.

Notice how nobody blamed the truck for the last New York attack. Gee I wonder why.

Don't fit the narrative.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

Think you guys are taking my responses out of context. Not taking it personal at all.:thumbsup

That's why I deleted my post. :thumbsup

 

[Tank]

Hmmmm. I have a 2 ton truck sitting in the driveway. Wonder if I put that thing in 4 wheel drive, and drove into a large crowd what the outcome would be? Sure glad that isn't happening anywhere.

Notice how nobody blamed the truck for the last New York attack. Gee I wonder why.

I don't know how I've become the voice of the opposition I disagree with (I guess I've just listened to this debate over and over through the years and listened to both sides), the retort to that would be, why not take away another killing option. Do two wrongs make it better?

There's always the flip side to the coin. I agree with you 100% by the way. My point is, if you're not familiar with the opinion and beliefs of those opposing you, you won't be prepared to argue and win the debate.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Awesome. So you mean you were within your rights and took action to defend yourself and others. I love it:thumbsup Sorry we don't have cops on every corner. Logistically impossible. Glad you made it out ok.

I'm not arguing with you about anything here. Reality is when the shit hits the fan, everyone out there needs to have a plan, and be able to care for themselves if possible. I am not one for a nanny state, nor was I even around when those riots occurred. But if you are barking up the tree of the cops on the street, you are wasting your breath. I'd love it if every time I responded to a robbery just occurred call at a business, the business owner told me... "Well, they came into rob me, and that is them laying in that pool of blood over there." Real world shit versus what this state wants everyone to be.:thumbsup

Bingo.

When the shit hit the fan I was prepared - and if backup happened great- if not - I/we had a fighting chance.

Without arms at least 10 other people and I wouldn't be talking right now.

The 911 call was made as a matter of record dotting our I's - we knew what the situation was. There was greater than 50/50 chance Id be letting round go - but I managed to be threatening enough to avoid that.

NFW you guys could have even made to where we were without getting into it with some group - even if Gates and Bradly weren't busy pissing on each other.


UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

Bingo.......Mind altering drugs used to deal with mental health is a damned good place to start in shutting down the cowardly loons. Far more than trying to make "tools" harder to get.

The nation has a huge prescription drug problem not being addressed and many of the loons causing these mass horrors are part of that problem.

Yup.

UD

 

[Tank]

Bingo.......Mind altering drugs used to deal with mental health is a damned good place to start in shutting down the cowardly loons. Far more than trying to make "tools" harder to get.

The nation has a huge prescription drug problem not being addressed and many of the loons causing these mass horrors are part of that problem.

Agreed. I preach this all the time and see the mental health crisis in this state first hand every day. We need to re-instate institutions and deal with mental health care head on, not just ignore it or try to put band-aides on it. The shit I see daily would make you sick regarding the state of mental health. That's one thing
Regan completely fucked up, is decommissioned mental health institutions.

 

[coz]

Jason, let me guess....you didn't go SUPing today?? uttahere:

 

[941Punk]

Jason, let me guess....you didn't go SUPing today?? uttahere:

I really wish I did!

 

[Old Texan]

I only bring up the protection issue because there are tons of foolish liberals who believe that no matter what is happening - someone will come running to their rescue when and if the bad guys go on a spree- and thats simply fantasy.

UD

What's so crazy about these type of libs, is how they will jump on those that saved their dumb asses after the fact. They'll show "heart felt" compassion for folks who no doubt suffered growing up and didn't know right from wrong in acting out.:rolleyes

Demand and bitch is their whole mind set. Those they oppose in philosophy cannot ever do right in their alternate reality idea of the world, even if those folks save their worthless hides.:skull

 

[pronstar]

Alcohol is responsible for death, violence, destroying families.

Why aren't we advocating for prohibition?

 

[Tank]

Alcohol is responsible for death, violence, destroying families.

Why aren't we advocating for prohibition?

That happened! :eek

 

[was thatguy]

Alcohol is responsible for death, violence, destroying families.

Why aren't we advocating for prohibition?

Her comes the oracle in 3...2...1...

 

[dribble]

I'm all for rights to own guns. Hell, I think you should own as many guns and ammo that your wife will let you.
But what I don't understand is the need for something like an AR-15. Do we as civilians really need theses?

Am I missing the point on the practicality of the use besides taking it out in the desert and shooting TVs?

Flame away.

You don't want /need one, therefore nobody else should have one? And that is the problem with our society today. The people that don't need 707 HP cars, 15 round magazines, 150mph boats, should never be allowed to dictate what you should have based upon their own wants/needs.

I own a lot of guns but I don't own an AR or anything similar because I don't feel that I need one. I would vehemently defend your right to own one if you wanted. That's what America is supposed to be all about.

 

[wsuwrhr]

That happened! :eek

Allegedly.

 

[Groper]

I'll be right back, I need to make another pot of coffee

 

[02HoWaRd26]

Military Grade= or looks like a military weapon?
It?s the same platform yes but actually very different characteristics on firing while being legal.
Military=fully automatic
Consumer=semi automatic
And the AR-15 is a platform not a gun for say

 

[Tank]

Allegedly.

LOL...Exactly.

 

[sirbob]

Tonka Toys - what guy doesn't like building stuff.

I like to shoot but I am not a "shooter".

Heck, I have one Armalite LTC that has never been shot. I pull it out of the safe every once and awhile and take it apart and install a scope or just practice rebuilding it. Its an adult toy - its fun to play with. These things have so many accessories and add ons that come in different colors etc.

They are a fun toy.

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[Motor Boater]

941punk

What are your hobbies? What do you drive? What kinda Boat do you have. Any dogs? Let?s take away those because I think they are useless like you! If you don?t like guns don?t own them. Who are you to tell people what to do or what to own! You are just like ISIS and antifa. Get the fuck out of the country and don?t look back pos

Hard to have an intelligent conversation about guns with responses like this. This is why some people view gun owners in a bad light.

 

[BingerFang]

Whether or not you "think" you may need an AR15, anyone with $1,600 dollars can now convert an 80% lower into a fully functioning .223 or .308 rifle totally off the radar.


https://ghostgunner.net/

https://www.wired.com/2015/06/i-made-an-untraceable-ar-15-ghost-gun/

[video=youtube;Q5cwP1HmEGo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5cwP1HmEGo[/video]

 

[Ballyhoo]

I'm not anti cop, and have many friends on the force - I don't pull the protection clause out as anything other than mere fact.
If you follow my threads you know this.

Where I "get that from" is I called " you" and not only did "you" not help - there wasn't even an answer to the call.
I barely got my employees out alive (using weapons as a deterrent) before my business was looted and firebombed.
I / we - were on our own.

Even if Gates and Bradley had their shit together - a big if- There was no way you guys could be everywhere at once.
The ONE thing we can count on municipal "leader" not having their shit together every time.

When the SHTF like the king riots - there is no help for you you are on your own.
Being on an equal footing with the bad guys is why I want to protect my right to own a semi auto and large magazine.

Ill bet we find the guy was either on SSRI's or withdrawing from them like so many murderous lunatics these days- a reality the drug industry will fight tooth and nail to avoid coming out.


UD

I actually worked the LA riots- 20 days straight. Your example is exactly why we the people, need our guns. It was total chaos for a week or so. We just could not be everywhere during that chaotic time. There were many good folks that armed themselves to protect their homes and businesses. We were all good with it as we knew how bad it was.