Anyone seen this with upholstery?

[BrettLee3232]

So my dad has a 07 Ultra Shadow Deck & got his boat detailed this weekend at Arizona Reflections. He's used them once before but after this time he got this.....

It looks 20x worse in the sun. He asked the detailer and they played dumb and didn't know what it was. He stopped by Ultra and talked to Rusty & he said it's a chemical reaction with the carbon fiber. Then he recommended Adrenaline Detail.

So he finally got ahold of the owner of Arizona Reflections & he said it's not their fault. My dad was trying to be civil about it and said wanted him to look at it with his own eyes and not pics. So he's going driving out Wednesday to meet him & hopefully they nut up and resolve it. There's no possible way that's sun damage or anything like that. Granted his boat is 10yo but its immaculate. Not a scratch on it & has always been stored indoors. I think he's only got 200hrs on it anyways.

Anyways just wondering if anyone else has seen anything like this?

Here's a pic of his boat if you've seen it or know him.

 

[707dog]

i dont know much about the carbon fiber interior but would sun block or lotion do that??

 

[BrettLee3232]

i dont know much about the carbon fiber interior but would sun block or lotion do that??

I have no clue, but the only people been on the boat in the past year is him and his wife. It wasn't there when he dropped it off and it wasn't there after he picked it up from service at Lakeland Marine a couple weeks ago.

I guess it could be if someone used spray lotion and walked around his boat spraying every piece of carbon fiber lol

It's not just that spot... it's all over the boat! Seats, hatch etc. everything that's carbon.

 

[707dog]

I have no clue, but the only people been on the boat in the past year is him and his wife. It wasn't there when he dropped it off and it wasn't there after he picked it up from service at Lakeland Marine a couple weeks ago.

I guess it could be if someone used spray lotion and walked around his boat spraying every piece of carbon fiber lol

It's not just that spot... it's all over the boat! Seats, hatch etc. everything that's carbon.

dang that blows best of luck to him getting it taken care of!...i outlawed spray sunblock years ago in our boat the chit just went everywhere with a lite breeze.

 

[BrettLee3232]

dang that blows best of luck to him getting it taken care of!...i outlawed spray sunblock years ago in our boat the chit just went everywhere with a lite breeze.

Yeah he's the same way, no spray on his boat and he makes everyone sit on a towel lol. He's very anal about his boat. Almost to anal! I'm surprised he use to let me drink beer on it haha. I hope Arizona Reflections nuts up about this cause honestly there's really nothing it could be other than spray sun block. But even that comes off with vinyl sauce. Ultra quoted him 7k to replace his carbon vinyl 🤦🏼*♂️

 

[coolchange]

"Carbon fiber" is j ust vinyl with a basket weave print texture. If i had to hazard a guess they used a strong cleaner like that soylent green stuff and sprayed it on and it spotted- bleached the vinyl. Are you sure it wasnt there before you took it in.

 

[BrettLee3232]

"Carbon fiber" is j ust vinyl with a basket weave print texture. If i had to hazard a guess they used a strong cleaner like that soylent green stuff and sprayed it on and it spotted- bleached the vinyl. Are you sure it wasnt there before you took it in.

He's positive it wasn't there. He cleans it after every day on the water with boat bling. Same stuff for 10years. Your probably right, something with the cleaner they used.

 

[shueman]

We've had a few boats that go the "splotchies" ... turned out to be a chemical reaction between the vinyl and the foam ... right around that timeframe just 1 or 2 ...

 

[Singleton]

"Carbon fiber" is j ust vinyl with a basket weave print texture. If i had to hazard a guess they used a strong cleaner like that soylent green stuff and sprayed it on and it spotted- bleached the vinyl. Are you sure it wasnt there before you took it in.

This. I have the same boat and interior. Hatch got updated in 2009 and a unapproved cleaner was used once and where it was sprayed directly on carbon fiber vinyl resulted in what your dad has.

Never spray cleaner directly onto vinyl, into rag then clean

 

[was thatguy]

Well that sucks.

Spend a decade keeping it clean then it gets fucked up cleaning it.

 

[Boat Bling]

Sorry to see this happen, especially to a long time customer whom it sounds like has taken the time to maintain their boat well up until this issue.

This is the exact reason we spent the better part of a year working with Spradling, the largest OEM vinyl supplier in the US to get our interior products on their approved list and earn their formal recommendation.

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Edit- The carbon fiber look vinyl isn't known to be quite as durable so to be safe, you can always apply product to a damp towel and wipe down. Use melted ice water in the cooler as it is very clean. This method uses much less product as well saving some $$$ for boat gas.

-Zack

 

[BrettLee3232]

We've had a few boats that go the "splotchies" ... turned out to be a chemical reaction between the vinyl and the foam ... right around that timeframe just 1 or 2 ...

So what do you do to fix it?

 

[RiverDave]

That is some strong cleaner they sprayed on there..

I'd wager if you leave it out in the sun for a day or two it will go back to normal.

 

[traquer]

He's a boat detailer..He's got ONE job... So fucked up if he doesn't own up to this mess.. Worst case tell him you have big Yelp and Google accounts you will be publicly posting your experience on.. They can't be removed. You can PM me. Shit like this makes my blood boil, I had similar experience with a Tint shop on my brand new BMW

 

[BrettLee3232]

That is some strong cleaner they sprayed on there..

I'd wager if you leave it out in the sun for a day or two it will go back to normal.

He launched last weekend to see if it would go away in the sun....it didn't lol

He's actually on his way out there today to meet him. We shall see.....

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

We've had a few boats that go the "splotchies" ... turned out to be a chemical reaction between the vinyl and the foam ... right around that timeframe just 1 or 2 ...

sometimes the vinyl is glued to the foam so it doesn't shift when doing tricky sewing locations, so it could be the glue reacting with the vinyl, if glue is sprayed to thick. just a thought....

 

[BrettLee3232]

sometimes the vinyl is glued to the foam so it doesn't shift when doing tricky sewing locations, so it could be the glue reacting with the vinyl, if glue is sprayed to thick. just a thought....

After 10years?

 

[Singleton]

So what do you do to fix it?

For me, it was unable to be fixed. I only have a few marks where the unapproved cleaner was sprayed onto the vinyl in direct sunlight and bleached out some original vinyl (like what you have).
I knew I was going to redo the entire interior down the road and I was the one trying out that cleaner (vinyl sauce showed up the next day). So I have to live with it.
Had a couple shops look at it and was told replacement is only way to fix.

 

[CobraDave]

I have this type of look on a silver carbon area in my open Bow near the cup holders. It has never came out. I just live with it. [emoji853]

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

After 10years?

that would qualify as a very delayed reaction

 

[fishing fool]

He launched last weekend to see if it would go away in the sun....it didn't lol

He's actually on his way out there today to meet him. We shall see.....

When he goes have him bring a cushion with him and have the detail shop put their cleaner on it and see what happens.

 

[Wheeler]

It appears that Grads and his buddy took the boat out for a joy ride and to practice their "docking" technique. :eek

 

[was thatguy]

This is why I don't clean my boats!

People are allowed to sit on the cushions, spill beer, climb in and out, smoke if they want, and generally enjoy the experience.

But when we trailer it that's when I wipe it all down, inside and out, then sauce it, before leaving the ramp parking area.
Usually by myself while they wait in the truck.

That's probably why I'll never own a real nice boat though...:eek

 

[RCDave]

Do your guests take pictures from the truck of you saucing down the boat by yourself?

 

[RiverDave]

After 10years?

That's for sure a cleaner. It was sprayed in that area and then wiped down.

I'd bet more time in the sun will blend it back to normal. It wasn't hot last weekend.

 

[BrettLee3232]

That's for sure a cleaner.

I agree, it's not vinyl sauce though lol

 

[was thatguy]

Do your guests take pictures from the truck of you saucing down the boat by yourself?

Well, I do know a lot of pervs...:eek

 

[RiverDave]

I agree, it's not vinyl sauce though lol

I would guess it to be some kind of degreaser. Or some cleaner they used had some kind of reaction with something that was on the seat before.

 

[02HoWaRd26]

My seats are a real real light grey/off white and I have very similar swirls all over them. Where that way when I bought it so no input about cause but would love a solution.

 

[coolchange]

I wnet home last night and sprayed $ome harsh cleaners on some scraps of CF I jad and couldnt make it spot. But it was brand new material. Looks to have some pearlesense on it that makes it look they way it does maybe that was affected.

 

[nowski]

i dont know much about the carbon fiber interior but would sun block or lotion do that??

Spray Lotion the culprit???

 

[nowski]

sometimes the vinyl is glued to the foam so it doesn't shift when doing tricky sewing locations, so it could be the glue reacting with the vinyl, if glue is sprayed to thick. just a thought....

Maybe the cleaner used penetrated the upholstery and had an adverse reaction with the glue, just a thought. Anyone of us would be pissed if we were in the same boat for sure...

 

[BrettLee3232]

So my dad drove out last night & met the manager. I guess the owner isn't really involved and doesn't live in havasu. The guy said he didn't know what it was and has never seen it before, it's the same cleaner he does on million dollar boats blah blah blah. He brought some rubbing compound and obviously couldn't get it out. He took some pictures and was going to talk to the owner and tell him the deal.

They have insurance so hopefully their insurance will cover the damages.

 

[CobraDave]

Maybe it was gasoline? I've heard for detail guys using it for stubborn areas.

Makes me second guess getting carbon fiber on my next interior.

 

[Done-it-again]

Damn that sucks....

But my thought is, if it came from a spray bottle wouldn't the pattern be more of a circle and not random blotches?

 

[BrettLee3232]

Maybe it was gasoline? I've heard for detail guys using it for stubborn areas.

Makes me second guess getting carbon fiber on my next interior.

Maybe, but there was no stubborn areas. There was nothing wrong with the interior except the stitching on the ultra logo in the front was faded. Nothing else was faded, no cuts, rips, wrinkles, burns, blotches etc. The interior looked a week old.

 

[FreeBird236]

Maybe it was gasoline? I've heard for detail guys using it for stubborn areas.

Makes me second guess getting carbon fiber on my next interior.

Not the first time I've heard negative comments on the carbon fiber look, apparently doesn't hold up as well, not that this is an excuse for what happened.

 

[RiverDave]

I wnet home last night and sprayed $ome harsh cleaners on some scraps of CF I jad and couldnt make it spot. But it was brand new material. Looks to have some pearlesense on it that makes it look they way it does maybe that was affected.

Spray a degreaser on them.. if bet one of the shop guys picked up the wrong bottle of smutz and sprayed it on this interior. Realistically they are only going to have a few things around the shop. Spray wax, window cleaner, degreaser and a tire dressing deal..

 

[nowski]

Spray a degreaser on them.. if bet one of the shop guys picked up the wrong bottle of smutz and sprayed it on this interior. Realistically they are only going to have a few things around the shop. Spray wax, window cleaner, degreaser and a tire dressing deal..

Do you think a hand cleaner like goop might work??? What ever the case and what ever you try, try it in an area that isn't in plain view if possible...

 

[82daytona]

Leave it alone. I had something similar happen and had to replace the whole interior. The more shit you cake on there there the worse it'll get.

 

[CobraDave]

A 7 thousand dollar replacement and the boat being down for months. I can imagine he is livid. Hopefully they own up to it.

 

[rivrrts429]

The tricky part is going to be getting whole on that entire $7k.

Insurance will factor in depreciation on interior that old, regardless of its condition. Going to be interesting to hear what the out of pocket cost will be to make up the difference.

 

[CobraDave]

A 7 thousand dollar replacement and the boat being down for months. I can imagine he is livid. Hopefully they own up to it.

 

[BrettLee3232]

Spray a degreaser on them.. if bet one of the shop guys picked up the wrong bottle of smutz and sprayed it on this interior. Realistically they are only going to have a few things around the shop. Spray wax, window cleaner, degreaser and a tire dressing deal..

Well my dad called them today to get an update....

Check out this bullshit...

"We talked to a couple upholstery shops and they all agree it's sun damage" blah blah blah

My dad went livid on the phone haha

I bet he didn't even talk to anyone he's just blowing smoke out his ass. He wants him to bring the boat over to his shop and let it bake in the sun. My dad told him no he already had it in the sun for 6hrs and it just made it worse.

I told him to take it to Adrenaline Detail & get their opinion on what it could be. I guarantee they don't say it's "sun damage".

This is a chemical reaction due to something they used to clean the boat. They need to own up to it!

I don't know what else I can do other than blast it on RDP haha

 

[CobraDave]

Ask what shop he talked to then ask them if that conversation really happened. Has your boat insurance company been contacted? I'm curious what they would say about it.

 

[BrettLee3232]

Ask what shop he talked to then ask them if that conversation really happened. Has your boat insurance company been contacted? I'm curious what they would say about it.

I told him to ask that tomorrow.

No he hasn't talked to his insurance yet.

 

[lbhsbz]

Vinyl fabric like this is mostly paper, run through several rolls to emboss the pattern, then having a thin layer of plastic applied to one side and a fabric reinforcement applied to the other. There's obviously some adhesives and other stuff in there too, but the base material is paper.

We're dealing with 10 year old seats here. I imagine something has caused the paper to saturate with something...making it darker...either through a seem or through some small imperfections in the sealing layer. The stuff doesn't last forever.

I'd calmly go talk to the outfit that did the detail work...make it a quest out of curiosity...flip over a cushion or too, and try every bottle of juice they have in the place on an inconspicuous area...or better yet, one of the non-affected areas of that same cushion. If you find something that duplicates the effect, figure out what it is, then consult the chemical manufacturer as well as a producer or 2 of similar vinyl material.

We have to understand what happened and what caused it before it can be fixed. At the very least, we'll all learn what NOT to do to our seats.

 

[ElAzul]

I knew a very well respected detailer that manufacturers and other pros trust and lean on for knowledge about various things. He has taught me thing or two and one day while hanging out I asked him why his acid and degreaser/surfactant were in the same type of sprayer and not marked. Wondering if someone grabbed the wrong stuff like Dave said...prep consisted of 3 things at his place acid, degreaser, and magic eraser. I did try to remove a stain like that on a boat one time an he said its there forever and likely caused from skin products or using a "protectant" which he always swore against. Told me all marine grade vinyl is treated and any type of protectant is more harmful than good. Not sure about a treatment but absolutely no protectant

 

[BrettLee3232]

I knew a very well respected detailer that manufacturers and other pros trust and lean on for knowledge about various things. He has taught me thing or two and one day while hanging out I asked him why his acid and decreased/surfactant were in the same type of sprayer and not marked. Wondering if someone grabbed the wrong stuff like Dave said...prep consisted of 3 things at the detailed acid, decreased, and magic eraser. I did try to remove a stain like that on a boat one time an he said its there forever and likely caused from skin products or using a "protestant" which he always swore against. Told me all marine grade vinyl is treated and any type of protestant is more harmful than good. Not sure about a treatment but absolutely no protectant

What's a Protestant?

 

[ElAzul]

What's a Protestant?

Sorry auto correct on new tablet really sucks...protectant is what I typed before it got all religious sounding must have got the church edition kindle