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Thats a bitchen area.
I like it, it's quiet. I think they are shutting down the golf course, and the little bed and breakfast got bought by a complete fraud who's "renting" rooms to junkies, claiming it's not a half way house, but a corporate resort... our crime has increased. Neighbors are working on getting it resolved.
 

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And what do the IT providers do that they do so much better? String a non voltage carrying cable on utility provided poles and then completely ignore them? Try calling your IT provider and see in how many weeks you can get a service call. Call the utility and we come same day, 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

This starts my 15th year and I can promise you our maintenance schedule and program is massive. Just in my yard three to four poles are changed out every day. From wood to steal, fiberglass arms, covered wire near the pole to prevent bird contacts. Every day. There are hundreds of thousands of poles out there. And we’re replacing them EVERY DAY.

There is massive incentive to upgrade and maintain the system, because that’s what the rates are based on. Not the price of the power but the future returns on infrastructure investment.

I honestly think some people just circle jerk around the “Power Company Bad” cracker when they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.

I know I work for the enemy but I don’t defend it out of loyalty, I’m a commodity there. I just get irritated by ignorance.

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THanks for what you do, I work for RSF fire, on Del Dios, if you ever out this way or overhead be sure to wave!
 

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Chatsworth Lake/East Simi out again, 4th time in 6 weeks. I have 2 houses in that area one is on a Generac 6500 fired into a double tapped 30A circuit running the whole property, the other is on a 3500 with a few cords.

What say RDP on filling up gas cowboy style and not shutting down..? There's a ton of server shit and business stuff that is a pita to restart every time.
Just get U.P.S. with enough output to keep everything alive while you shut down the genny and refill.
 

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Car accident involving multiple cars here in Simi, power was off someone didn't stop at the intersection and caused the accident, I hope they all sue the shit out of edison.
 

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Chatsworth Lake/East Simi out again, 4th time in 6 weeks. I have 2 houses in that area one is on a Generac 6500 fired into a double tapped 30A circuit running the whole property, the other is on a 3500 with a few cords.

What say RDP on filling up gas cowboy style and not shutting down..? There's a ton of server shit and business stuff that is a pita to restart every time.

I'm at a loss for words.
 

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Car accident involving multiple cars here in Simi, power was off someone didn't stop at the intersection and caused the accident, I hope they all sue the shit out of edison.
Why not sue the city? Why do you want them to sue Edison. So that cost can be passed along to you the rate payers?
If the utility wasn’t blamed for every fire the power would have not been off in the first place.
Round and Round we go.

BTW aren’t the cities req’d to have battery back up for signals?
Everything is the utilities fault.
 

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Car accident involving multiple cars here in Simi, power was off someone didn't stop at the intersection and caused the accident, I hope they all sue the shit out of edison.

Are you guys dead in the water? In laws at Royal/Sycamore lost power around 10am so when I got home from work took my EU2000 over there to dial them in. I was just about finished and the wife told me our power went out (around 7pm). F it...came home and fired up the motorhome gennie and now we’re camping in the back yard 🤣
 

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No hate, but I think some public input on the “fire mapping“ would be a good.

How I have no power yet a mile or less from me has power, is a mystery.
 

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Why not sue the city? Why do you want them to sue Edison. So that cost can be passed along to you the rate payers?
If the utility wasn’t blamed for every fire the power would have not been off in the first place.
Round and Round we go.

BTW aren’t the cities req’d to have battery back up for signals?
Everything is the utilities fault.
If they maintained their equipment we wouldn't be in this situation anyway, edisons words not mine. The dumbass turds voted for this state bill without reading the verbiage, I read it understood it and did not vote for it, I saw it as basically allowing a public utility a way out of doing what they should have been doing so we wouldn't have power interruptions or fires started by the utilities, now edison doesn't have to upgrade and maintain their shit because they can just shut it off when the wind blows, they get rewarded for doing a shitty job.👍👍
 

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Are you guys dead in the water? In laws at Royal/Sycamore lost power around 10am so when I got home from work took my EU2000 over there to dial them in. I was just about finished and the wife told me our power went out (around 7pm). F it...came home and fired up the motorhome gennie and now we’re camping in the back yard 🤣
Yup out at 10:30
 

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No hate, but I think some public input on the “fire mapping“ would be a good.

How I have no power yet a mile or less from me has power, is a mystery.
I kid you not I live in the middle of the valley 1 mile from the closest brush with underground utilities and my power is off but there is overhead power lines running along side a road with brush below and nothing but brush down wind until you get to Agoura Hills and it's still on. I have complained about this and they don't care, they need boots on ground checking to make sure that what needs to be off is off and if it doesn't need to be off to turn it back on.
 

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If they maintained their equipment we wouldn't be in this situation anyway, edisons words not mine. The dumbass turds voted for this state bill without reading the verbiage, I read it understood it and did not vote for it, I saw it as basically allowing a public utility a way out of doing what they should have been doing so we wouldn't have power interruptions or fires started by the utilities, now edison doesn't have to upgrade and maintain their shit because they can just shut it off when the wind blows, they get rewarded for doing a shitty job.👍👍
SCE don’t maintain infrastructure? That’s news to me!
My HUB will have planned 500 miles of covered conductor this year alone.
I have done nothing but plan maintenance upgrade work for 12yrs.
There are literally 1,000’s of people that go to work each day just to maintain and upgrade the grid.

But I will take your word for it.
 

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SCE don’t maintain infrastructure? That’s news to me!
My HUB will have planned 500 miles of covered conductor this year alone.
I have done nothing but plan maintenance upgrade work for 12yrs.
There are literally 1,000’s of people that go to work each day just to maintain and upgrade the grid.

But I will take your word for it.
They are the ones that went on record and said that, your bosses, basically they threw you guys under the bus but it's them and their bean counters that actually dropped the ball, you guys can only do so much with a dollar, if you see something that should get attention but they say no wait till it fails and move on to the next job then that's all you can do. Like I said it's not you, it's the guys way above you, you guys in the field do a great job with what you are given.
 

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They are the ones that went on record and said that, your bosses, basically they threw you guys under the bus but it's them and their bean counters that actually dropped the ball, you guys can only do so much with a dollar, if you see something that should get attention but they say no wait till it fails and move on to the next job then that's all you can do. Like I said it's not you, it's the guys way above you, you guys in the field do a great job with what you are given.

Don’t believe everything you hear. We spend metric shit tons on maintenance and grid hardening. I am personally responsible to manage 20million a year and I’m relatively a nobody.
Shit happens and we are literally busting our ass to prevent these issues. No CEO is going to go out and say we spend xyz dollars and we are still having outages. That would go over like a fart in church.

I actually got paid a small bonus today because I reported a safety issue in our grid that nobody knew about.
We have incentives to fix things that need it.
 

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Don’t believe everything you hear. We spend metric shit tons on maintenance and grid hardening. I am personally responsible to manage 20million a year and I’m relatively a nobody.
Shit happens and we are literally busting our ass to prevent these issues. No CEO is going to go out and say we spend xyz dollars and we are still having outages. That would go over like a fart in church.

I actually got paid a small bonus today because I reported a safety issue in our grid that nobody knew about.
We have incentives to fix things that need it.
I'm just repeating what was said and that is what the rest of the public hears, we don't have enough staffing, then stop giving yourself (top brass) bonuses and hire more people then. I'm glad you found something and got it fixed, like I said you guys do a great job, I wish the people at the top would give you guys what is needed to bring the brush areas up to snuff so this shit will stop.
 

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Don’t believe everything you hear. We spend metric shit tons on maintenance and grid hardening. I am personally responsible to manage 20million a year and I’m relatively a nobody.
Shit happens and we are literally busting our ass to prevent these issues. No CEO is going to go out and say we spend xyz dollars and we are still having outages. That would go over like a fart in church.

I actually got paid a small bonus today because I reported a safety issue in our grid that nobody knew about.
We have incentives to fix things that need it.

During my EC contracting days I worked with SCE & SDG&E engineers on various project infrastructure design, was always a pleasure.

With consideration to this rather new Public Safety Power Shutdown program that is currently affecting 16,000 SDG&E customers and a week ago had well over 70,000 without power. Checking all the area weather stations in the vicinity of where the PSPS are currently dark, I'm not seeing any wind speeds conditions that warrant any shutdowns yet this morning.

A lot of questions arise from customers in areas that are only dark because the supply line circuits at some point are routed through an area considered at risk, this probably being the case for 4waters in this thread. Generator sales is off the hook, people are doing stupid things, like running these generators inside their garages and suffering carbon monoxide poisoning, this PSPS is not a long term remedy, it's a knee jerk CYA reaction to some serious litigation that has affected the utilities insurance costs and ability to even obtain it. You can't continue to shut off power to hundreds of thousands of So Cal residents and not expect the shit to hit the fan over it. A storm is headed in your direction, what I don't know and what's needed is WHAT IS THE LONG TERM SOLUTION AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT ACHIEVING IT ??????

Have in-depth engineering studies been conducted in regards to circuit re-alignment to mitigate customer inconvenience for not-at-risk neighborhoods affected simply because their current feeders are routed through at-risk areas ? I know in San Diego, this is huge. There are numerous communities dark simply because the power lines supplying that area are routed over brush in another area.

Who has established the Criteria guidelines ? Because they seem rather excessive in many cases. These outages create a HUGE inconvenience for so many and these posted "Oh we're so sorry, but your safety comes first" bullshit notices tend to chap my aging ass more than losing the lights. It's a blatant move to keep them from getting their every loving asses sued off, so call it what it is.

Is there any oversight regulating these guidelines and monitoring the utilities as it pertains to these outages ? Or are the utilities just allowed to CYA at will, with minimal regard to the customer's needs ?

Are there engineering studies being conducted to identify ways power lines can be hardened so that going forward customers can expect fewer PSPS blackouts or is this a new reality ? With California being always striving to be at the forefront of environmental issues, I don't sere the reality of hundreds of thousands of customers lighting off their gasoline generators in order to keep the food from spoiling as a solution that will remain tolerable to public officials for long.

Many times in this thread " 3rd world country " has been mentioned or hinted at, because leaving hundreds of thousands of customers without power every time the wind blows offshore in Southern California is a ludicrous solution to what is little more than a mechanical problem. Seriously, a fucking 5th grader could explain to your engineers how to sufficiently harden the mechanicals, or mitigate the brush and trees where necessary, there's a million damned solutions available other than opening the big switches.

Not suggesting it's a single answer, each area might require different remedies, or circuit re-alignment, but there's far better solutions, I'm just not sure what's being done in that regard and what it's going to take to force the utilities to look beyond what's simply the easiest way to cover your collective asses.

This sir, is what's got your customer's so riled up, we're SORRY isn't going to cut it. Fucking FIX IT 👍

I write this with all due respect to your position, this is obviously not on you, but way way up the chain, have a great day sir. 👍👍

 

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During my EC contracting days I worked with SCE & SDG&E engineers on various project infrastructure design, was always a pleasure.

With consideration to this rather new Public Safety Power Shutdown program that is currently affecting 16,000 SDG&E customers and a week ago had well over 70,000 without power. Checking all the area weather stations in the vicinity of where the PSPS are currently dark, I'm not seeing any wind speeds conditions that warrant any shutdowns yet this morning.

A lot of questions arise from customers in areas that are only dark because the supply line circuits at some point are routed through an area considered at risk, this probably being the case for 4waters in this thread. Generator sales is off the hook, people are doing stupid things, like running these generators inside their garages and suffering carbon monoxide poisoning, this PSPS is not a long term remedy, it's a knee jerk CYA reaction to some serious litigation that has affected the utilities insurance costs and ability to even obtain it. You can't continue to shut off power to hundreds of thousands of So Cal residents and not expect the shit to hit the fan over it. A storm is headed in your direction, what I don't know and what's needed is WHAT IS THE LONG TERM SOLUTION AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT ACHIEVING IT ??????

Have in-depth engineering studies been conducted in regards to circuit re-alignment to mitigate customer inconvenience for not-at-risk neighborhoods affected simply because their current feeders are routed through at-risk areas ? I know in San Diego, this is huge. There are numerous communities dark simply because the power lines supplying that area are routed over brush in another area.

Who has established the Criteria guidelines ? Because they seem rather excessive in many cases. These outages create a HUGE inconvenience for so many and these posted "Oh we're so sorry, but your safety comes first" bullshit notices tend to chap my aging ass more than losing the lights. It's a blatant move to keep them from getting their every loving asses sued off, so call it what it is.

Is there any oversight regulating these guidelines and monitoring the utilities as it pertains to these outages ? Or are the utilities just allowed to CYA at will, with minimal regard to the customer's needs ?

Are there engineering studies being conducted to identify ways power lines can be hardened so that going forward customers can expect fewer PSPS blackouts or is this a new reality ? With California being always striving to be at the forefront of environmental issues, I don't sere the reality of hundreds of thousands of customers lighting off their gasoline generators in order to keep the food from spoiling as a solution that will remain tolerable to public officials for long.

Many times in this thread " 3rd world country " has been mentioned or hinted at, because leaving hundreds of thousands of customers without power every time the wind blows offshore in Southern California is a ludicrous solution to what is little more than a mechanical problem. Seriously, a fucking 5th grader could explain to your engineers how to sufficiently harden the mechanicals, or mitigate the brush and trees where necessary, there's a million damned solutions available other than opening the big switches.

Not suggesting it's a single answer, each area might require different remedies, or circuit re-alignment, but there's far better solutions, I'm just not sure what's being done in that regard and what it's going to take to force the utilities to look beyond what's simply the easiest way to cover your collective asses.

This sir, is what's got your customer's so riled up, we're SORRY isn't going to cut it. Fucking FIX IT 👍

I write this with all due respect to your position, this is obviously not on you, but way way up the chain, have a great day sir. 👍👍


We don’t always agree, but you’ve nailed it this time.
Exactly my earlier point.
Lipstick on a pig does not a beauty queen make.
I do not have the answer, I’m not an electrical engineer, nor do I even know what you guys are saying some of the time.
But I do know this, there is no reason that this ridiculous situation can not be solved.
It requires a different approach than continuing to “fix” yesterday’s solutions.
We have every bit of earthly knowledge at our fingertips (literally) but can’t keep socal lights on if it’s windy?

Then again, CA is the poster child for doing everything wrong. “knee jerk” is their middle name.

Example, Electric cars are not the future, or any kind of renewable energy solution. All they do is transfer fossil fuel usage upstream so the end user feels good.
Yet CA is “all in” with EV mandates.
(Magnetics and field manipulation is the future of transportation)
So Ca can’t solve todays supply demands, and the wind shuts them down so they don’t get sued...while simultaneously mandating future usage that will effectively strangle themselves.
It’s like watching an ant farm from outside the aquarium, but with zero efficiency.
Seriously, someone a lot smarter than me needs to take a look at this shit.
I wish you guys the best.
 

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We don’t always agree, but you’ve nailed it this time.
Exactly my earlier point.
Lipstick on a pig does not a beauty queen make.
I do not have the answer, I’m not an electrical engineer, nor do I even know what you guys are saying some of the time.
But I do know this, there is no reason that this ridiculous situation can not be solved.
It requires a different approach than continuing to “fix” yesterday’s solutions.
We have every bit of earthly knowledge at our fingertips (literally) but can’t keep socal lights on if it’s windy?

Then again, CA is the poster child for doing everything wrong. “knee jerk” is their middle name.

Example, Electric cars are not the future, or any kind of renewable energy solution. All they do is transfer fossil fuel usage upstream so the end user feels good.
Yet CA is “all in” with EV mandates.
(Magnetics and field manipulation is the future of transportation)
So Ca can’t solve todays supply demands, and the wind shuts them down so they don’t get sued...while simultaneously mandating future usage that will effectively strangle themselves.
It’s like watching an ant farm from outside the aquarium, but with zero efficiency.
Seriously, someone a lot smarter than me needs to take a look at this shit.
I wish you guys the best.

This subject is one I look at both emotionally and pragmatically. On one hand, on days like today with a stiff Santa Ana wind starting to blow, I'm somewhat comforted when I view the SDG&E outage maps and see that east of us, power has been shut off.
On a very bad day late in Oct of 07', this is what was left of our lives and it was ultimately blamed on a failed SDG&E line close to 30 miles to the east of us early on a Sunday evening, and by 5 AM Monday morning was at our door step.
Needless to say, during these wind events our anxiety levels are Red Flag for sure.

On the other hand, I know there's far better solutions to killing power to vast population areas and I find it extremely perplexing I'm not reading of more discussion in that regard.
I do not believe we can rely on the electrical utilities to research and implement viable solutions, knowing their motivation is governed by actuaries running risk vs reward calculations, and arbitrarily opening switches under the guise of Public Safety when a breeze kicks up.

Personally, I'll be very pleased when the wind subsides and I can stop pacing from window to window looking for smoke on the horizon. When I was a kid growing up in Orange County, I loved these days, now, not so much. 😖


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If they maintained their equipment we wouldn't be in this situation anyway, edisons words not mine. The dumbass turds voted for this state bill without reading the verbiage, I read it understood it and did not vote for it, I saw it as basically allowing a public utility a way out of doing what they should have been doing so we wouldn't have power interruptions or fires started by the utilities, now edison doesn't have to upgrade and maintain their shit because they can just shut it off when the wind blows, they get rewarded for doing a shitty job.👍👍

Exactly. .gov sponsored monopoly and rewards for a shitty status quo.
 

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Can you explain to me what I along with thousands of people do everyday? To make statements saying that we are not doing anything to fix the problem is childish at best.

Is there a problem yes, is it our main priority to rectify absolutely.

Is it all our fault no, miss managed forests and high winds carry this blame as well.

Since I can see this is nothing more than a lynch mob I will not be replying anymore. You have no intentions of learning what is actually happening from someone who’s job is go fix it.
You all know more than me.

Unless you are on the board, or in the C suite he is not talking to you. He is not talking to the people in the field. You are just doing your job. These failures do not happen with anything that is NOT a monopoly. The utility companies have NO pressure to innovate, have no pressure to fix these current problems and create better solutions. This has NOTHING to do with people in the field. Even if you are in the field, you can't be that blind and know that there has to be a better way. That does not make you a bad person for working there, you are just doing your job.

These utility companies grease the pockets of politicians in the form of campaign contributions, for favorable legislation and favorable (lack of) oversight measures, and not having to be responsible for their lack of action.

This problem is one created by utility companies AND the state government and regulators..
 

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Can you explain to me what I along with thousands of people do everyday? To make statements saying that we are not doing anything to fix the problem is childish at best.

Is there a problem yes, is it our main priority to rectify absolutely.

Is it all our fault no, miss managed forests and high winds carry this blame as well.

Since I can see this is nothing more than a lynch mob I will not be replying anymore. You have no intentions of learning what is actually happening from someone who’s job is go fix it.
You all know more than me.

Not a lynch mob at all, you're misunderstanding what I was hoping to convey.
And to assume my post was entirely directed at you is incorrect, there's been a few contributors to this and other related threads, it's appreciated to hear from the field and yourself as a planner. We're all wise enough to realize you're not the problem, but we as customers are becoming more desperate for REAL answers regarding our futures.

My questions are certainly not unreasonable, as an example. If I visit the SDG&E outage website right now, the very first thing that pops up is a letter from SDG&E expressing regret in having to shut off power to a vast number of customers due to this wind event. It mentions regulations that required that they notify these customers ahead of time. Despite it being a rather lengthy letter of regret, there's ZERO mention of any regulations in regards to conditions that influence these shut-downs or a single mention of any plans to make any changes that might mitigate these PSPS outages in the foreseeable future. If you view the SDG&E Weather Awareness website, or the local San Diego NWS weather charts, it's obvious, this is in the vast majority of areas, a rather mild wind event.

There are certain factors that won't change, the wind is going to blow seasonally, it always has it always will. Suburbia will continue to expand into more rural areas, electrical requirements despite great advances in efficiency will rise due to political pressure to become more dependent on electricity. The largest and most dangerous fires in San Diego didn't start in any forests and had nothing to do with mismanaged forests. In addition, the well over one thousand homes that burned were for the most part in tract home developments, not in the forests or even rural.

It's a given no utility can control the winds or weather and I applaud the efforts of you, your crews, the firefighting equipment the utilities are providing, after 50 years of electrical contracting and knowing shit can happen with electricity, you're not the enemy.

What I'm striving to understand is the exact same thing thousands of customers want to understand is simple ---- Are these seasonal power outages the only solution and what is being done to mitigate these outages if anything ?? But you and I both know, with California politics striving for more dependence on electricity and with the environment being such a high priority, thousands of home generators running when the wind blows is not a long term viable solution.

This isn't about BLAME, it's about finding solutions, do you want to talk about it, or just feel hurt, because nobody here is angry with you.
 

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Oh so your a cougar!

I went to SP golden eagles class if 87, right here!

Thank You for your updates and your hard work on the line!

It’s easy to bag on the power company! They charge way to much! don’t appear to do much for the customers interest, and also get huge tax breaks and rate increases all the time..... oh and they send me letters saying I use way more electricity that any of my neighbors.....
during the months of April and May we spent the 2 months out in havasu and our electrical useage just slightly bumped down than what we normally use and we weren’t home but the pool still runs and the beer fridge & food fridge needs to run and our timed led lights click on / off when needed ....


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If by “much” you mean not at all, then yes.

The utilities are .gov sponsored monopolies.. period.
They are government regulated not sponsored. Regulators have a big say in what is done. If they freeze rates a utility can only work with the money coming in the door. They can only do what the state lets them do in clearing around lines and power stations etc

Typically utilities want to spend more, within reason, as they are allowed a return on investment. But that spending means higher rates. Regulators want lower rates and whatch how utilities spend.

This is a complex problem with many moving parts. Any solution is going to cost money.
 

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San Pasqual high school is where my knee got blown up during a game. Ruined my sports career path essentially 🥴

what year? I graduated in 87

what a bummer about your knee. I have issues from my knee, hard to take a knee unless I have a knee pad.
 

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Man the Edison hate is strong here.

No doubt. 2nd day in Canyon Country without power, or internet for that matter. Last year’s fire took out the surrounding vegetation so it’s unclear why it is out. Further, I keep getting SCE texts saying it’s on but the entire neighborhood remains out. Makes me wonder if they are trying to sandbag for the sake of reporting to the public jurisdiction authorities..

Glad I had previously bought a generator and set up a whole house connection.
 

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Power got shut off around 11pm last night in La Verne. Had to come into the office today to get some work done. Says it may not come back on until 6pm tomorrow. Hope my cow stays frozen.
 

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They are government regulated not sponsored. Regulators have a big say in what is done. If they freeze rates a utility can only work with the money coming in the door. They can only do what the state lets them do in clearing around lines and power stations etc

Typically utilities want to spend more, within reason, as they are allowed a return on investment. But that spending means higher rates. Regulators want lower rates and whatch how utilities spend.

This is a complex problem with many moving parts. Any solution is going to cost money.

Then why do these companies and their unions have lobbying budgets? Why do they contribute to campaigns? Why are siblings of government officials on their boards? These utility companies are allowed monopolies by the state government. There is no other way around that.

They are forced to provide utility to anyone that wants it, and are subject to take on whatever risk that entails. They are in a tight spot for sure and subject to other environmental factors. That however does not relieve them of their responsibility to maintain their infrastructure.

But again, to just shrug your shoulders and say what we have today (brownouts in the summers, blackouts in the winters and fires due to malfunctioning equipment) is the only solution, is ridiculous. The ratepayer money has been squandered and mismanaged for decades. To believe anything else is a cop out. Other states don't have these problems. Why is that? These are for profit companies, that have been given a government sponsored safety net and both the state government and the utilities themselves are mismanaged.

I will accept all of the above service conditions if my rates went down, yet they continue to go up.
 

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For all of you who truly think the Utility's are 100% at fault...
I dare you to do some research...

I dare you!...

Find out how the IOU's actually make money.
Hint... Less than 25% of your monthly bill actually is there's, to pay employees and buy spare parts/assetts... Find out where the other 75% goes..
Again, I dare you!...

Find out how the IOU's rate case is set.
Hint.. they dont set it... A government agency called the CPUC, sets it. Guess who heads up the CPUC... A Gov Newsom Appointee...

Find out why the IOUs are prevented from building Natural Gas Power Plants in CA....

Find out why the the CPUC made IOU's sign 20-30 year Purchase Power Agreements with AZ, NV and many other renewable generation company's at 22-32cents/kwhr... Yes every megawatt produced by these contracts must be purchased by the Ca Utility... No Choice at all. Whether CA needs that energy or not, they must buy it... What happens when there is an excess of power on the grid in the middle of the day... Please Please go look up that answer for me.. I will give you a small hint... Ca IOU's are forced to PAY Az & Nv to take it back... yep double whammy.... All legislation... who could have come up with a stupid idea like that... Yep some stupid politician.

Now figure out why IOUs are being forced to invest in huge energy storage facility's (Big fucking battery's), that are not proven, have more problems and higher maintenance, lower reliability.... Wonder if those Millions of dollars could be spent hardening the grid.... hummm just a guess on my part.

Seriously, haters gonna hate....

I DARE YOU TO LOOK UP THE ABOVE.....

If the most cost effective solution to generating power today is a Natural Gas Power Plant... Why is CA shutting down the majority of them? Or when they ask to repower, they might be allowed to repower at 50% of the original capacity, only if they agree to a huge energy storage project? Think anyone is getting a kick back on the Government side,,, like maybe a CPUC appointee by Gov Newsom... hummm just a theory on my end, cant prove it.

I can go on this topic for days...
Take a look at the Smart Metering project, dictated by CPUC/ISO... I think SCE spent over $12Million in meters alone, thats not the installed price, Triple it... but those meters where new techology, that all failed for the most part in less than 5 years... WAS THAT SCE's fault.. nope... But PG*E and SDGE was forced to do the same. After spending Millions forced by regulations... What happened... They had to go out and do all that work all over again... Think that was covered by the rate case.... or by the CPUC??? Take a guess who ate those expenses.

OOOOOOHHHHH lets talk about Smart Grid initiatives, even better 500kv Underground line in Chino, or Cataline Island, Or >>>>>>>

Seriously PERCEPTION is not reality.

A key reason why the cost of your Electricy Bill today, is because State of Ca, dictated 2020, 2030 rules around 2012... guess what that is. 20% renewables by the year 2020, and 30% renewables by the end of 2030.... Its great for the environment isnt it... lets go hug some trees... What was the direct result of those stupid decisions... Costs went from .12cent per KWH to tiered rate plans of .22cent for 400kwhr, then 32 cents for the next, and 42 cents for the next...

Hummm... did the utility's request to sell off there generation assets or where they forced to?????
Did government rules/regulations change the rates from 12 cents to the mid 36cents on average.. YEP 200% increase... Hummm how many politicians where held accountable for this .... you tell me.

You guys want to talk about facts... I have 20 years of facts in my back pocket.
Lived it, breathed it, been in the trench's with the Engineers at SCE, PGE and SDGE who just scratch there heads.

As I said before. LEGISLATION AND REGULATIONS ARE THE PROBLEM.... Blaming Utility's may make you feel better today, but I promise you it will not make your rates go down, or increase your reliability. Better start talking to your local Ca Elected officials.
 
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For all of you who truly think the Utility's are 100% at fault...
I dare you to do some research...

I dare you!...

Find out how the IOU's actually make money.
Hint... Less than 25% of your monthly bill actually is there's, to pay employees and buy spare parts/assetts... Find out where the other 75% goes..
Again, I dare you!...

Find out how the IOU's rate case is set.
Hint.. they dont set it... A government agency called the CPUC, sets it. Guess who heads up the CPUC... A Gov Newsom Appointee...

Find out why the IOUs are prevented from building Natural Gas Power Plants in CA....

Find out why the the CPUC made IOU's sign 20-30 Purchase Power Agreements with AZ, NV and many other renewable generation company's at 22-32cents/kwhr

Now figure out why IOUs are being forced to invest in huge energy storage facility's (Big fucking battery's), that are not proven, have more problems and higher maintenance, lower reliability.... Wonder if those Millions of dollars could be spent hardening the grid.... hummm just a guess on my part.

Seriously, haters gonna hate....

I DARE YOU TO LOOK UP THE ABOVE.....

If the most cost effective solution to generating power today is a Natural Gas Power Plant... Why is CA shutting down the majority of them? Or when they ask to repower, they might be allowed to repower at 50% of the original capacity, only if they agree to a huge energy storage project? Think anyone is getting a kick back on the Government side,,, like maybe a CPUC appointee by Gov Newsom... hummm just a theory on my end, cant prove it.

I can go on this topic for days...
Take a look at the Smart Metering project, dictated by CPUC/ISO... I think SCE spent over $12Million in meters along, not installed, but meters, that all failed for the most part in less than 5 years... WAS THAT SCE's fault.. nope... But PG*E and SDGE was forced to do the same.

OOOOOOHHHHH lets talk about Smart Grid initiatives, even better 500kv Underground line in Chino, or Cataline Island, Or >>>>>>>

Seriously PERCEPTION is not reality.

A key reason why the cost of your Electricy Bill today, is because State of Ca, dictated 2020, 2030 rules around 2012... guess what that is. 20% renewables by the year 2020, and 30% renewables by the end of 2030.... Its great for the environment isnt it... lets go hug some trees... What was the direct result of those stupid decisions... Costs went from .12cent per KWH to tiered rate plans of .22cent for 400kwhr, then 32 cents for the next, and 42 cents for the next...

Hummm... did the utility's request to sell off there generation assets or where they forced to?????
Did government rules/regulations change the rates from 12 cents to the mid 36cents on average.. YEP 200% increase... Hummm how many politicians where held accountable for this .... you tell me.

You guys want to talk about facts... I have 20 years of facts in my back pocket.
Lived it, breathed it, been in the trench's with the Engineers at SCE, PGE and SDGE who just scratch there heads.

As I said before. LEGISLATION AND REGULATIONS ARE THE PROBLEM.... Blaming Utility's may make you feel better today, but I promise you it will not make your rates go down, or increase your reliability. Better start talking to your local Ca Elected officials.

Who has blamed the utility's 100%? The state and these utility companies are inexorably linked together in failure.

But once again, to say that the CA utilities are at the tip of the spear with regard to management and infrastructure management is laughable.
 

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Who has blamed the utility's 100%? The state and these utility companies are inexorably linked together in failure.

But once again, to say that the CA utilities are at the tip of the spear with regard to management and infrastructure management is laughable.

Ok... Your are 100% Right.
Regulations and Legislation has no bearing what so ever on where a Utility spends its resources..
All they want to do, is make the Ca Citizens hate them..
Yep, you nailed this one...

But that still doesnt explain why IOU's where forced to sell off all the generation assetts during Grey Davis?
But that still doesnt explain the 2020, 2030 Plans.. Cause Utility made more money when they generated the power and sold it to the end customer.
Now they make less money and less profitable... But I have no idea what I am talking about..

But please, go back to one of my original questions... If the utility only gets to keep about 25% of the electricity bill income.. Where does the rest go? Why would that be good for them????? How does less revenue equal more profitability????

Obviously I have no idea what I am talking about, please explain all this to me.
 

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Ok... Your are 100% Right.
Regulations and Legislation has no bearing what so ever on where a Utility spends its resources..
All they want to do, is make the Ca Citizens hate them..
Yep, you nailed this one...

But that still doesnt explain why IOU's where forced to sell off all the generation assetts during Grey Davis?
But that still doesnt explain the 2020, 2030 Plans.. Cause Utility made more money when they generated the power and sold it to the end customer.
Now they make less money and less profitable... But I have no idea what I am talking about..

But please, go back to one of my original questions... If the utility only gets to keep about 25% of the electricity bill income.. Where does the rest go? Why would that be good for them????? How does less revenue equal more profitability????

Obviously I have no idea what I am talking about, please explain all this to me.
Then the utilities need to throw the politicians under the bus instead of always taking the blame, the politicians constantly throw the utilities under the bus, turn the tables, I'm all for these California politicians being exposed of the fraud they are involved in.
 

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Then the utilities need to throw the politicians under the bus instead of always taking the blame, the politicians constantly throw the utilities under the bus, turn the tables, I'm all for these California politicians being exposed of the fraud they are involved in.

Think about this... I am only talking about Rules/Regulations set forth by CPUC, and the impacts of that...

Would you like to go on a EPA Journey with me... or better yet... a CARB journey... want really see how much $$$ is wasted...

I could blow your minds on stupid shit we have deal with now a days... Guess what, it all goes back to the rates of electricity that you pay. You think the Uility is raping and pillaging, but you dont know the costs to do business in Ca, with CPUC, EPC, CARB, OSHA, every lawyer in the planet, OMG...

Its great to be Niave...
 

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Ok... Your are 100% Right.
Regulations and Legislation has no bearing what so ever on where a Utility spends its resources..
All they want to do, is make the Ca Citizens hate them..
Yep, you nailed this one...
You are not reading what I said. The state and utilities are linked together. Why do they lobby state government for regulation that only favors them and their profits?

There is blame to be laid up and down the chain. When a utility gets alerts from users that their equipment is malfunctioning and 2 days later a fire starts there because the malfunction was not addressed that has nothing to do with regulations and
legislation. That is management and bureaucratic inefficiencies.

Why do we not have these problems with utilities in the private sector? Why is it that water, electricity and natural gas utility
management so problematic, and why only in CA? The regulation is flawed, The legislation is flawed, and the companies that run the utiilities are flawed.

But that still doesnt explain why IOU's where forced to sell off all the generation assetts during Grey Davis?
Shitty government leadership - Rates skyrocketed, we had brownouts - Grey Davis was Recalled.
But that still doesnt explain the 2020, 2030 Plans.. Cause Utility made more money when they generated the power and sold it to the end customer.
More shitty government leadership. They are using the power companies to push their "Climate Change" agenda. As solar gains popularity we will have users just paying to be on the grid that they rarely use.
Now they make less money and less profitable... But I have no idea what I am talking about..
So then let them go out of business? CA is not a business friendly state. Shitty government leadership is driving energy policy.

But please, go back to one of my original questions... If the utility only gets to keep about 25% of the electricity bill income.. Where does the rest go? Why would that be good for them????? How does less revenue equal more profitability????

Again, it is a state sponsored monopoly with no competition. They will just raise rates to survive, and that is what they have done.

Obviously I have no idea what I am talking about, please explain all this to me.

If you believe the best solution we have in a "nation-state" is a 3rd world utility power reliability then there is nothing I can explain to you. This problem started 20 years ago.
 

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Think about this... I am only talking about Rules/Regulations set forth by CPUC, and the impacts of that...

Would you like to go on a EPA Journey with me... or better yet... a CARB journey... want really see how much $$$ is wasted...

I could blow your minds on stupid shit we have deal with now a days... Guess what, it all goes back to the rates of electricity that you pay. You think the Uility is raping and pillaging, but you dont know the costs to do business in Ca, with CPUC, EPC, CARB, OSHA, every lawyer in the planet, OMG...

Its great to be Niave...

So your stance is that there is no better way to distribute power and manage the grid in this state and that the public utilities have not wasted any money ever. Perfect, thanks!
 

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Then the utilities need to throw the politicians under the bus instead of always taking the blame, the politicians constantly throw the utilities under the bus, turn the tables, I'm all for these California politicians being exposed of the fraud they are involved in.

Won't happen, they are all in bed together. Go look at the boards of these companies.. Magically there are people on these boards related to people in state government.

Jerry Brown's sister was on the So Cal Gas board when they had the biggest gas leak in the history of the world a few years ago.. And they were fined only $4M for that.
 

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If your policys and profitability are set by the government... you pretty much have to lobby to get what you want.. RIGHT????

But take a look at the "Rate Case" of a Utility.
There are two sides of that "Rate Case"..

One side is that the Utility requests "budget" to meet the regulations set for by CPUC and to do business in the state. And for instance, permission to repower San Onofre from 2000MW of Nuke, to 2000 MW of Nat Gas. The "Rate Cases" are publically availble...

Read what the Utility requests, and see what they get. Better yet, figure out why they are not allowed to meet the needs of there customer... Yep the Utility writes the justification of the needs in the rate case, with all the data required to back up that request. They even have to Testify to its accuracy.

How does it make sense to ship power from AZ, NV, OR, WA, all the way to Southern California. With all the "Loss's" and lack of back ups. Why wouldnt they allow San Onofre to be re built?

What are the over all impacts of a Huge Metropolitan area, with very little generation capabilities. Humm what happens to them when an earthquake knocks out the Transmission lines that feed the LA Basen, when the power plants that are there are all 30 years old, and most are not going to be rebuilt, those that are will be at 50%...

HUMMMM but I am still just talking out my ass here. No idea of what I am talking about at all.

But it is Public data that can easily be looked up if you willing to read thru thousands of pages.

I am only talking about one small little bitty example... again. I have 20 years of examples in my back pocket...
 

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If your policys and profitability are set by the government... you pretty much have to lobby to get what you want.. RIGHT????

But take a look at the "Rate Case" of a Utility.
There are two sides of that "Rate Case"..

One side is that the Utility requests "budget" to meet the regulations set for by CPUC and to do business in the state. And for instance, permission to repower San Onofre from 2000MW of Nuke, to 2000 MW of Nat Gas. The "Rate Cases" are publically availble...

Read what the Utility requests, and see what they get. Better yet, figure out why they are not allowed to meet the needs of there customer... Yep the Utility rights the justification of the needs in the rate case, with all the data required to back up that request. They even have to Testify to its accuracy.

How does it make sense to ship power from AZ, NV, OR, WA, all the way to Southern California. With all the "Loss's" and lack of back ups. Why wouldnt they allow San Onofre to be re built?

What are the over all impacts of a Huge Metropolitan area, with very little generation capabilities. Humm what happens to them when an earthquake knocks out the Transmission lines that feed the LA Basen, when the power plants that are there are all 30 years old, and most are not going to be rebuilt, those that are will be at 50%...

HUMMMM but I am still just talking out my ass here. Know idea of what I am talking about at all.

But it is Public data that can easily be looked up if you willing to read thru thousands of pages.

I am only talking about one small little bitty example... again. I have 20 years of examples in my back pocket...

The utility companies are just profit taking victims of the state here, I see it now.

If they are in such dire straights how are they still in business? Oh yea they just raise rates for shittier service and since the state ensures their existence in perpetuity regardless of their performance, and the ratepayer suffers.

Once AGAIN I get it, they are at the mercy of the state regulations, but you refuse to admit they have been mismanaged for decades and have a role in all this as well.
 

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I have been reading all posts here and agree with most. I truly believe that at this point and time of human development that we should have progressed past the point of routing electricity to the end user via extension cords draped on sticks stuck in the ground. The answer is underground utilities and I'm not talking about simply burying cables in the ground, I'm talking about full on, walk through vaults down the middle of every street with branch ties to ea. end user that are sealed from moisture. This is going to be a monumentally expensive project but the cost of fighting the annual fires, the cost of human life and the cost of continually maintaining an antiquated system is growing larger all the time. I think it's time we bite the bullet and do what needs to be done.
 

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I have been reading all posts here and agree with most. I truly believe that at this point and time of human development that we should have progressed past the point of routing electricity to the end user via extension cords draped on sticks stuck in the ground. The answer is underground utilities and I'm not talking about simply burying cables in the ground, I'm talking about full on, walk through vaults down the middle of every street with branch ties to ea. end user that are sealed from moisture. This is going to be a monumentally expensive project but the cost of fighting the annual fires, the cost of human life and the cost of continually maintaining an antiquated system is growing larger all the time. I think it's time we bite the bullet and do what needs to be done.

No. The current system is the pinnacle of transmission technology. Your email account always works, your cellphone always works, your cable always works, but we can't expect the same from basic infrastructure like utility power, natural gas or water. It is just too hard and there is no better way. These poor utility executives are crying into their checkbooks every night over it.
 

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The utility companies are just profit taking victims of all this here, I see it now.

If they are in such dire straights how are they still in business? Oh yea they just raise rates for shittier service and since the state ensures their existence in perpetuity regardless of their performance, we all suffer.

Once AGAIN I get it, they are at the mercy of the state regulations, but you refuse to admit they have been mismanaged for decades and have a role in all this as well.

LOF... Seriously, you are not picking up, what I am putting down at all...
If you dont like the utility's today, then your gonna hate them in the future....

As I have stated, unless Legislation and Regulations change, then Prices go up, reliability goes down. The problem gets worse every day. Take a hard look at how much $$$ that utilitys are force to spend on "Green Goals set for buy Ca Gov and CPUC". There is only so much money... Utilitys dont print money, they get to realize as PandL statements 25% of what you think they get. Of that 25%, the majority is legislation and regulated how its spent.

You may recall that I stated a year ago or more, that Power Outages will become more frequent if Utilitys are sued over fires. Was I right?

I am telling you that the West Coast needs at least 12 New Natural Gas Power Plants under construction today...

What you guys dont know.... that I do...

Take a wild guess at what the average age of the power infrastructure in Ca is today, then take a guess at what avg life span is? When you figure that out, please explain why we are installing huge energy storage projects that cost 3X... ?????? Have higher maintenance costs???? No one knows how long they will last???

Then wonder... why the no one wants a Power Plant anywhere near them... But they always want the lights to come on...
 

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@LargeOrangeFont, @4Waters...

Do either of you have utility experience in CA in the course of your careers on a constant basis?
Regardless of experience this shit only happens in California. The fires started in my area by utilities happen way more often than they did 35 years ago and there is no more overhead utilities now that there was 35 years ago, Simi had had no new overhead utilities installed since 1970ish everything has been underground since, so if there are more fires with the same amount of overhead utilities then it comes down to maintenance or lack there of.
 

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Regardless of experience this shit only happens in California. The fires started in my area by utilities happen way more often than they did 35 years ago and there is no more overhead utilities now that there was 35 years ago, Simi had had no new overhead utilities installed since 1970ish everything has been underground since, so if there are more fires with the same amount of overhead utilities then it comes down to maintenance or lack there of.

So the answer to my question there is no. LOF, how about you?
 

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So the answer to my question there is no. LOF, how about you?

Nope. But we all seem to know a rat when we smell one in every other scenario.. You've got siblings of elected officials on the boards of these companies, These companies lobby for their own regulation or self regulation to control costs, and are slapped on the wrist anytime they do anything wrong. No one is held accountable for anything.

If we replaced So Cal Gas and Jerry Brown with Joe Biden and Burisma, what would you all be saying?

Once again, there is blame up and down the stack across state and public utility leadership. You can't tell me any of these companies are incentivised to solve problems and make anything better. Yes the power companies are hamstrung on what they can do by the state, and yes the state props them up and makes sure they are monopolies.

It is amazing that these problems only seem to exist in CA. it is a complex problem, yes, but to say this is the best that it can be is asinine.
 
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