4 seat speed UTV

[LargeOrangeFont]

They'll fit. If guys kick out the wheel offsets then they'll haul them with a skinny set of transport wheels. Not unusual already with Dune Buggies.
These just might be half way between a SXS and a 10 car.

To your point, the wheels that come on the Speed car make it the narrowest it can possibly be. Any other wheel, aside from a Method positive offset race wheel will make the car wider.

And the car is 77" at its widest, which is with the suspension arms parallel to the ground. So at ride height expect it to be a little narrower. It is going to come in about the same width as a 72" car with aftermarket wheels.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ha. I lie all day. This is nothing.
I really want one. I started looking at these a year ago. Then figured I’d wait for the 22 can am’s. Well they didn’t change enough to buy one a 22
So now unfortunately I don’t think a speed care is a option for the year of 22. Which means I’m looking at 2023 can am’s.
if theses speeds would have been ready then guys like me would make the jump. 2022 models from can am and Polaris are not a big enough improvement to switch this year or most of next.

speed blew the load to soon. But who knew supply chains would be so fucked up. You can’t even get a truck right now.

to be honest most companies such as these would have already folded.

They didn't blow their load too soon, they opened up the kimono to let the public see what the other manufacturers don't. At Can Am what is decided by bean counters in a boardroom, Speed got feedback from the public and decided what they were going to do based on what customers wanted and in doing so filled a gaping hole in the market left by Can Am and Polaris.

Covid realities and supply chain challenges are the same for everyone.

And this is likely. But guys like me need a test drive and for the rest to give it a year to beat the crap out of it.
I was hoping to be a buyer in 22. That’s 23 now

I’m pretty surprised by the motor and trans in the speed. To me that’s the risky part.

If the motors hold up and the trannies don't blow up, these things are going to be fine. It seems like they used the right partners and designers for the drivetrain.

It really is a low bar to hit the quality and fit and finish with the current crop of vehicles out there, but Polaris has stepped it up with the new platform.

With regards to the reliability, we simply don't know yet. To @rivrrts429 point.. Can Am and Polaris can't compete with Speed on paper at this price point and enjoy the margins they currently fetch for their cars.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

I am still scratching my head on why they didn't use an established engine. They had experience building reliable yamahas, the guys that run that 3cyl in sleds are routinely able to get 300hp. I understand the clutching and trans change, the ones in the XX aren't the best.

Wondering if we can add yamaha to ever growing list of bridges that RG has burned.

If the pro-r comes with NA 220 and a manual shift, that will probably be my next car.

 

[riverroyal]

If.. is a big word here, but IF these are out around the December/Jan timeframe I consider that a really big accomplishment. I know the engineering team lead for the Wildcat XX, and it took them longer than that to design the car and bring it to market, and they already had the Yamaha engine. What are you talking about no wait time? There have been no major improvements to the Polaris or Can Am lineup for over 2 years LOL.

The new Polaris Pro R we have been hearing about for 18 months, and was probably being designed a year before that. Again, Polaris already had that engine in the parts bin. I heard Can Am was supposed to debut a new transmission for 2022.. nothing. If you want a competitive 77" Can Am, you are gonna be waiting at least a year, maybe longer, maybe it will never come. Maybe the Polaris Pro R will debut at the Sand Show, But again, It will be typical Polaris, and need some upgrades, not to mention it is an NA car.. No quick tuning or E85 is gonna bump the power up. It is 220 HP forever unless you want to spend another $10K on a yet to be made forced induction setup, voiding all warranties.

A little over 2 years to design and bring a car to market from the ground up in 2 year is HUGE. When this thing drops the hype is still going to be huge.

no wait time. meaning no deposit on something for 2 years. By the time I replace my current SxS there will be something sitting on a show room floor. Speed will have nothing on a floor until 2023.

 

[riverroyal]

I am still scratching my head on why they didn't use an established engine. They had experience building reliable yamahas, the guys that run that 3cyl in sleds are routinely able to get 300hp. I understand the clutching and trans change, the ones in the XX aren't the best.

Wondering if we can add yamaha to ever growing list of bridges that RG has burned.

If the pro-r comes with NA 220 and a manual shift, that will probably be my next car.

this.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

no wait time. meaning no deposit on something for 2 years. By the time I replace my current SxS there will be something sitting on a show room floor. Speed will have nothing on a floor until 2023.

If they are on schedule, I think you will see lots of them on the showroom floor by this time next year. There are only like 4000 direct sales to consumers, probably less. Dealers have secured an allocation, but not very many of those have buyers, out of the over 12,000 they have reserved, allocated or sold. If you believe 40 per day or 80 per day production numbers, they will be floating around if you want one by next season.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I am still scratching my head on why they didn't use an established engine. They had experience building reliable yamahas, the guys that run that 3cyl in sleds are routinely able to get 300hp. I understand the clutching and trans change, the ones in the XX aren't the best.

Wondering if we can add yamaha to ever growing list of bridges that RG has burned.

If the pro-r comes with NA 220 and a manual shift, that will probably be my next car.

this.

RG has gone over that. Yamaha didn't want to give them what they wanted which was a turbocharged engine capable of 300HP direct from the factory. They wanted to give him something competitive with Polaris and Can Am. He wanted to blow them out of the water.

He is in North Carolina and has contacts with top engine designers for NASCAR and they are sitting in his backyard, so why not tap them to make something specific for this application. That is the short story. RG has said they are going to have a 1265cc shortblock assembly down the road as an option, that will simply bolt in and work with the stock top end. That is a nice added bonus of designing your own engine. Also this engine is more like a car engine, (LS specifically) with cast in liners so you can bore it out and rebuild it if you smoke the stock pistons.

One of the features I am most excited about in the Speed car (and hopefully for the entire segment later) is the sequential shift.

Manual shifting is cool, but the idea of constantly having to bang gears would get old on the dirt.

I think the Pro R is going to be awesome. Honestly I'd really just like to see a 72" version of the Pro XP to replace the Turbo S/ Turbo S Velocity in the mid $20K price point.

 

[mash on it]

Manual shifting is cool, but the idea of constantly having to bang gears would get old on the dirt.

That separates the men from the boys.

Dan'l

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That separates the men from the boys.

Dan'l

I agree. When I am cruising with my kids I don't want to be banging up and down through 6 short ratio gears to go between 10 and 50 MPH.

When I am out by myself passing @Bpracing1127, then sure it is fine.

But Low 0-30, High 0-70 and Overdrive 50-90... I'm in.

 

[WildWilly]

recently taken in Havasu and were taken inside pretty quick but don't know if they were production or not. They seemed different than the test mules I've come across previously

 

[Santee_Native]

Those look like their race XX’s that are for sale I believe.

 

[WildWilly]

Those look like the their race XX’s that are for sale I believe.

that might be, I've not followed them that closely

 

[HCP3]

Robby needs to hire LOF for Speed's public relations if he hasn't already

 

[Cobalt232]

recently taken in Havasu and were taken inside pretty quick but don't know if they were production or not. They seemed different than the test mules I've come across previously

Unless those have Speed guts inside, those are the XX's

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Unless those have Speed guts inside, those are the XX's

They are "Speed Cats". Just their custom or race Wildcat XX cars.

 

[Santee_Native]

Updated production photos
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[HCP3]

I hope those are not Chinese zipties I see...

 

[RiverDave]

They actually posted quite a few photos of production cars now. Not just the set above.

Wondering if people are still saying 2022 / 2023?
RD

 

[Singleton]

They actually posted quite a few photos of production cars now. Not just the set above.

Wondering if people are still saying 2022 / 2023?
RD

I still say early 2022. once they start full production, supply chain issues will impact delivery

 

[Duramax]

They actually posted quite a few photos of production cars now. Not just the set above.

Wondering if people are still saying 2022 / 2023?
RD

I watched the last video. That thing is amazing. Great job RG

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I still say early 2022. once they start full production, supply chain issues will impact delivery

That could be. They said they aren't pulling the trigger on production unless they have all that worked out. They refuse to start production just to stop it because of lack of parts, at least for the first couple build groups

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I hope those are not Chinese zipties I see...

Harbor Freight Zip ties

 

[Todd Mohr]

I'm thinking 1st deliveries Jan- Feb 2022, my #2153 about this time next year. Those pics look great.

 

[ZSTIV]

I'm thinking 1st deliveries Jan- Feb 2022, my #2153 about this time next year. Those pics look great.

I think earlier than that for us in the 2000's

 

[HNL2LHC]

recently taken in Havasu and were taken inside pretty quick but don't know if they were production or not. They seemed different than the test mules I've come across previously View attachment 1041838 View attachment 1041839

Now I know the building that everyone is talking about. This is the one with a trailer set up in front of it. Can’t recall what street it is on. NOtcied it many times wondering who was camping out in the parking lot and why is the building vacant.

 

[cakemoto]

You guys are all high if you think you’re getting a car before Thanksgiving 2022

 

[PlanB]

Now I know the building that everyone is talking about. This is the one with a trailer set up in front of it. Can’t recall what street it is on. NOtcied it many times wondering who was camping out in the parking lot and why is the building vacant.

LH Ave & Papago.

 

[Santee_Native]

I see two cars being assembled look in the background of the dash picture.

 

[2Driver]

Robby needs to hire LOF for Speed's public relations if he hasn't already

If your neighbor volunteered to do your yard when he did his yard would you hire him as your landscaper?

 

[lf2]

Hopefully they get that robotic welding figured out.

 

[Santee_Native]

Hopefully they get that robotic welding figured out.

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Not too worried here. These are the first production chassis’s off the robotic welding stations. Supposedly they are doing 10 of these test cars for production testing the process and actual production parts. By the time these hit full production the welds will be hopefully what Robby promised.

 

[DMF]

Not too worried here. These are the first production chassis’s off the robotic welding stations. Supposedly they are doing 10 of these test cars for production testing the process and actual production parts. By the time these hit full production the welds will be hopefully what Robby promised.

Agreed. Plus, I am in the 4th batch of cars, so I think they will have it figured out by then.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

I do hope that there is one of the production units at the show, but I think that will be a huge undertaking. I am assuming those parts we see in the presentations are in China. Are they going to assemble the pre-production ones in China, then fly a whole car over, or fly over all the parts to the assembly plant in Texas, then assemble it there and bring it back to California in less than 30 days from now?

My hunch is that the carbon fiber prototype will be the one on display. I hope I am wrong.

Was the one at the DS street fair a running driving unit or a roller?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Was the one at the DS street fair a running driving unit or a roller?

That was a driver. They have been out testing with it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hopefully they get that robotic welding figured out.

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Looks about like every Polaris and Can Am...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Lots of pictures of parts piling up at the factory tonight. Arms, chassis pieces, etc.

At the Sand show they will have a full race version of the car on display, I assume this will be a 2 seater. After the sand show/off road expo The production cars that are here will go out in the desert for final testing. Romano said tonight their goal is 2500 cars per month.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You guys are all high if you think you’re getting a car before Thanksgiving 2022

My car will probably have 1000 miles on it by then

Ramano said tonight that the people that ordered last weekend before the price increase might have them by spring.

 

[Marios Metalworks]

Internally gated exhaust and water jacketed center section Looks like there’s room for improvement with that cast manifold too. I see aftermarket potential

Who’s turbo are they using?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Internally gated exhaust and water jacketed center section Looks like there’s room for improvement with that cast manifold too. I see aftermarket potential

Who’s turbo are they using?

Look closer. The exhaust manifold and the turbo exhaust housing are 1 piece. They have already had this stock setup up to over 350HP in testing

 

[Marios Metalworks]

Yup just pulled these off the google...

For reference:

Knowing that I’d say there’s def room for improvement and I’m excited to see more pics of the setup. Not knocking the painstaking work to design and develop such a system, I’ve been there, just noting costs analysis always wins in large production runs, max power is a distant second maybe even third after reliability.

I’m sure the difference between a 2-1 cast manifold like that and an equal length tubular manifold is marginal but throw in twin-scroll housings, external wastegates with dedicated flow and electronically controlled actuators for boost by gear for another story. You’d def put a stock speed car in your mirror, only question is how long it would take for its headlights to fade away.

There’s no way you all want the exact same horsepower especially if your speedcar is wrapped to match your helicopter.

 

[Singleton]

Lots of pictures of parts piling up at the factory tonight. Arms, chassis pieces, etc.

At the Sand show they will have a full race version of the car on display, I assume this will be a 2 seater. After the sand show/off road expo The production cars that are here will go out in the desert for final testing. Romano said tonight their goal is 2500 cars per month.

2500 units a month, is apx 80 units a day. I just don’t see it. That is overly aggressive.
Over-promise and under deliver is not the right approach. Now everyone will give them shit if they don’t hit 2500

 

[riverroyal]

2500 units a month, is apx 80 units a day. I just don’t see it. That is overly aggressive.
Over-promise and under deliver is not the right approach. Now everyone will give them shit if they don’t hit 2500

That’s loading 10 per hour on a truck. Wonder if the fork lift has ac. I’m looking for a retirement gig

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

2500 units a month, is apx 80 units a day. I just don’t see it. That is overly aggressive.
Over-promise and under deliver is not the right approach. Now everyone will give them shit if they don’t hit 2500

It’s not my party, I don’t know. I don’t think they are gonna go from 0 to 80 a day in a month either, especially with the level of customization these first direct sale units have. Down the road, the cars won’t come with accessories installed.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That’s loading 10 per hour on a truck. Wonder if the fork lift has ac. I’m looking for a retirement gig

According to this thread you’d need to move to China.

 

[riverroyal]

According to this thread you’d need to move to China.

Yeah, cheap housing though.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yeah, cheap housing though.

Yep, and dirt floors. Should be great for someone on a fixed income.

 

[riverroyal]

Yep, and dirt floors. Should be great for someone on a fixed income.

Lol. Fixed…. Your tile guy is back in my house! He does amazing work.

 

[Santee_Native]

Couple updates just posted on IG.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Couple updates just posted on IG.
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I'm wondering if the shocks are made here. They seem to be using the same set of setup shocks for all the cars. I am just basing that on the spring colors, or maybe they set up several sets of shocks that way.

 

[RiverDave]

Was the one at the DS street fair a running driving unit or a roller?

Driving.. it was the one from the videos