4 seat speed UTV

[RiverDave]

There’s no mandatory upgrades? Who’s saying that?? By the way you’d struggle to spend 15k in upgrades.. my cars are ridiculously built and I spent 11

 

[Boatymcboatface]

That was in response to everyone saying you ha e to put $15000 into a RZR as soon as you buy it. In the picture you can see that RG left his RZR stock.

 

[RiverDave]

That was in response to everyone saying you ha e to put $15000 into a RZR as soon as you buy it. In the picture you can see that RG left his RZR stock.

Oh…. Well yeah if you buy a Polaris you are gonna spend that..

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Oh…. Well yeah if you buy a Polaris you are gonna spend that..

Hater.

 

[riverroyal]

I have 50 or 60 bucks in after market in my can am
I actually enjoy that part of utvs. Changing stuff, personalize it. Mrs RR is not huge fan..

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Oh…. Well yeah if you buy a Polaris you are gonna spend that..

Believe me I want to but I’ve got a boss at home and she says NO!

 

[Loo Dog]

You are right, it happens right under your nose. Running design and parts changes happen all the time on everything.

Sometimes the original parts are "better" and the change is made because it saves a couple bucks. I don't think that is the case here though.

They talked about the crank changes back in October. They made some changes to the oiling system once they drove the preproduction cars. If you are making a change to a crankshaft, it is probably for a good reason and was probably to address those oiling concerns.

Ok you win, you said I’d be back. Serious question, though. We’re talking about the crankshaft here. The literal backbone of the engine. Changes are needed to oiling of the crankshaft at THIS point? What does that say to you about the probable mass production of this machine? We aren’t talking minor ergonomic tweaks or even suspension settings. Curious how that makes you feel.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ok you win, you said I’d be back. Serious question, though. We’re talking about the crankshaft here. The literal backbone of the engine. Changes are needed to oiling of the crankshaft at THIS point? What does that say to you about the probable mass production of this machine? We aren’t talking minor ergonomic tweaks or even suspension settings. Curious how that makes you feel.

Welcome back.

Like I said a couple months ago, the preproduction cars had a couple problems with the oiling system and the Speed team saw bearing wear they didn’t like. They enlarged the stock oil cooler and likely changed the specs on some of the oiling passages in the crank.

A couple months they identified the need for a crank change. There are lead times associated with changing a mass produced crankshaft.

I’d rather them fix all these things than deliver a car with an engine that is gonna fail prematurely.

They had a list of stuff they wanted to address on the preproduction cars. They will be ready to go when they finish addressing all those items. From my understanding, most of that work has been done.

 

[Loo Dog]

Welcome back.

Like I said a couple months ago, the preproduction cars had a couple problems with the oiling system and the Speed team saw bearing wear they didn’t like. They enlarged the stock oil cooler and likely changed the specs on some of the oiling passages in the crank.

A couple months they identified the need for a crank change. There are lead times associated with changing a mass produced crankshaft.

I’d rather them fix all these things than deliver a car with an engine that is gonna fail prematurely.

They had a list of stuff they wanted to address on the preproduction cars. They will be ready to go when they finish addressing all those items. From my understanding, most of that work has been done.

Thanks, just curious and agree on the lead time issue as far as production is concerned. A crankshaft isn’t exactly a small matter. Since it’s your job and not mine to watch all the videos and press releases where are the motors being produced and by whom?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Thanks, just curious and agree on the lead time issue as far as production is concerned. A crankshaft isn’t exactly a small matter. Since it’s your job and not mine to watch all the videos and press releases where are the motors being produced and by whom?

I only pay attention to the releases because it is my money at stake . If this deal starts going south my spots will be sold quickly and quietly and I will pop back in here and say “I’m out” and go order a new Polaris Turbo R.

No idea on where the engines are to be assembled.

 

[riverroyal]

you will love yore new R.

 

[DILLIGAF]

I only pay attention to the releases because it is my money at stake . If this deal starts going south my spots will be sold quickly and quietly and I will pop back in here and say “I’m out” and go order a new Polaris Turbo R.

Would that be considered a pump and dump?

That is a legit ?

 

[Todd Mohr]

My guess is LOF will have his 1st car by dune season fall 2022, my car (master 2153) will delivered early 2023. I'm in till the end, this will be my 1st UTV, always and still am a dirt bike guy. I was not a utv player until I saw the videos and the prototype in person.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Would that be considered a pump and dump?

That is a legit ?

Depends on what I sell it for. Could also be considered an insider trade

That said, I’ve said a hundred times, if you don’t like the car, the business or don’t like waiting, don’t order one of these.

 

[Uncle Dave]

If it goes South (Im pulling for Robby to make it work) everyone will want out at the same time and spots wont have value.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

you will love yore new R.

I’m even a bit soured on Polaris at the moment.

 

[Loo Dog]

I think LOF’s strategy is to “quietly” get out early, hence the insider trading admission.

If you have a spot, keep a close eye on this thread for a couple hundred more pages.

 

[rickym20]

Thought some would get a laugh out of this one, I am hoping these cars get going since they are bad ass.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If it goes South (Im pulling for Robby to make it work) everyone will want out at the same time and spots wont have value.

With the amount of people not paying attention, people will have a small window of opportunity to bail out.

Recall the downfall of OCM and other boat MFGs. People read the writing on the walls and bailed early.

But if it goes sideways, you are right. I don’t think that is going to happen at this point.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think LOF’s strategy is to “quietly” get out early, hence the insider trading admission.

If you have a spot, keep a close eye on this thread for a couple hundred more pages.

I’m in until I get the cars. If people can’t read this thread, they sure as hell cant read the tea leaves

 

[rebelmark75]

this, Ive been saying this for 6 months. He is hurting himself at this point

When he pulled that stunt about if you say anything bad, you lose your car, he lost me. I don't care if the car comes with a stripper and an automatic hand job gripper.. I would never buy a thing from that commie prick!!

 

[Uncle Dave]

With the amount of people not paying attention, people will have a small window of opportunity to bail out.

Recall the downfall of OCM and other boat MFGs. People read the writing on the walls and bailed early.

But if it goes sideways, you are right. I don’t think that is going to happen at this point.

With no refund all you can do is sell the spot.

It's kind of all over the map how places close down.
Some guys take your money knowing and planning to fuck you (OCM), other places just fade away and do what they can to keep customers square.

With some of the boat places there was something to walk away with if they folded mid build - if a shop put your money into a boat and finished half of it you could likely take your half done half paid for product.

Assuming Robby gets them built and starts shipping them the next thing he'll run into is the guys that aren't ready to actually buy them but were in it to flip a spot.

One factor contributing to small companies closing - Lots of guys can come up with a down, but you never know where they are when its time to pay the rest. Nobody wants to call these clients out, but this happens more than people know.

Im rooting for the guy and everyone in it for it to work.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

With no refund all you can do is sell the spot.

It's kind of all over the map how places close down.
Some guys take your money knowing and planning to fuck you (OCM), other places just fade away and do what they can to keep customers square.

With some boat of the boat places there was something to walk away with if they folded mid build - if a shop put your money into a boat and finished half of it you could likely take your half done half paid for product.

Assuming Robby gets them built and starts shipping them the next thing he'll run into is the guys that aren't ready to actually buy them but were in it to flip a spot.

One factor contributing to small companies closing - Lots of guys can come up with a down, but you never know where they are when its time to pay the rest. Nobody wants to call these clients out, but this happens more than people know.

Im rooting for the guy and everyone in it for it to work.

Agreed.

I’m not really worried about it to be honest.

 

[WhatExit?]

With no refund all you can do is sell the spot.

It's kind of all over the map how places close down.
Some guys take your money knowing and planning to fuck you (OCM), other places just fade away and do what they can to keep customers square.

With some of the boat places there was something to walk away with if they folded mid build - if a shop put your money into a boat and finished half of it you could likely take your half done half paid for product.

Assuming Robby gets them built and starts shipping them the next thing he'll run into is the guys that aren't ready to actually buy them but were in it to flip a spot.

One factor contributing to small companies closing - Lots of guys can come up with a down, but you never know where they are when its time to pay the rest. Nobody wants to call these clients out, but this happens more than people know.

Im rooting for the guy and everyone in it for it to work.

Hmmm, I said much of this before and LOF called me a heretic (well, I'm not the only one he did that to ). Is the once firm ground in this thread starting to soften?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hmmm, I said much of this before and LOF called me a heretic (well, I'm not the only one he did that to ). Is the once firm ground in this thread starting to soften?

Pull your pants up, you said none of that. All you said was bigger startups have failed, over and over and over with 0 evidence any of that is happening with this deal.

Most of what UD said has already been discussed anyway regarding terms and payment. Spot flippers will probably get out around the 30 day call. Spots may even have more value at that point, who knows.

Anyone that does not pay will probably have their spot, order and down payment forfeited, but why would you forfeit the car and your down payment when you can sell the spot for at a minimum what you have in it?

As I’ve said, every car they produce for sale will sell to a dealer or to an individual.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Ho hum

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ho hum

Indeed.

 

[WhatExit?]

Pull your pants up, you said none of that. All you said was bigger startups have failed, over and over and over with 0 evidence any of that is happening with this deal.

Most of what UD said has already been discussed anyway regarding terms and payment. Spot flippers will probably get out around the 30 day call. Spots may even have more value at that point, who knows.

Anyone that does not pay will probably have their spot, order and down payment forfeited, but why would you forfeit the car and your down payment when you can sell the spot for at a minimum what you have in it?

As I’ve said, every car they produce for sale will sell to a dealer or to an individual.

Dear Mr. Dismissive...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Dear Mr. Dismissive...

Exactly. If you had any facts at all supporting your claims you’d be citing them to prove me wrong instead of meming and gifing.

 

[WhatExit?]

Exactly. If you had any facts at all, you’d be spilling them to prove me wrong instead of meming and gifing.

Facts?! There's no room for facts here when you have them all and you dismiss anyone who isn't drinking your orange Kool-Aid

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Facts?! There's no room for facts here when you have them all and you dismiss anyone who isn't drinking your orange Kool-Aid

If you had even 1 fact or piece of evidence instead of memes, we’d love to hear it .

 

[WhatExit?]

Fact: 0 Speed Cars have been delivered to any customers.

But you can get this:

 

[ArizonaKevin]

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Fact: 0 Speed Cars have been delivered to any customers.

But you can get this:

And look at that, we agree.

So what does that have to do with your claims that they are going out of business, and cars will never be delivered?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That was page 30.

 

[Lavey5150]

 

[outboard_256]

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The asking for more money down before any delivery dates is sounding more and more like fyre fest.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The asking for more money down before any delivery dates is sounding more and more like fyre fest.

Who is asking for more money? I’ve laid this process out 100 times. It has not changed in over a year.

You pay a deposit, you pay for the options you choose if you want them installed free and warrantied.

If you don’t want to pay for the options you can buy them after purchase. It is 100% on you if you elect to have factory installed options. If you choose to go that route, you must pay for the options.

No one is “asking for more money”. This policy was laid out up front.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Exactly. If you had any facts at all supporting your claims you’d be citing them to prove me wrong instead of meming and gifing.

If you had even 1 fact or piece of evidence instead of memes, we’d love to hear it .

So are you the only one allowed to speculate in this thread?
Or is it only allowed if it is in line with your thinking?

If this thread was limited to JUST FACTS, it would span 2-3 pages.

This is why I call you a Democrat and LOF Psaki. You will not abide ANY discussion or comments that don't fall in line with your thinking.

Just because a potential issue in the build, the business model or Robbie himself is brought up doesn't make that person a "hater".
In theory this is a discussion board and discussion doesn't need to, nor should it, follow a party line.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So are you the only one allowed to speculate in this thread?
Or is it only allowed if it is in line with your thinking?

If this thread was limited to JUST FACTS, it would span 2-3 pages.

This is why I call you a Democrat and LOF Psaki. You will not abide ANY discussion or comments that don't fall in line with your thinking.

Just because a potential issue in the build, the business model or Robbie himself is brought up doesn't make that person a "hater".
In theory this is a discussion board and discussion doesn't need to nor should it follow a party line.

Speculate all you want. But don’t cry when people bring some facts to disprove your conjecture. Don’t ask for a participation trophy if you are incapable of debate and discussion.

I’m down to debate whatever, but when you limp in not knowing anything about the situation expect to be owned.

You see me arguing with @Uncle Dave?
He actually brought a level of intelligence and acumen to the discussion instead of memes and stupid assumptions.

 

[DLC]

You guys need to get rolling faster!

no way this thread will get to 5,000 posts before New Years!! Currently at #3941
we can do better!

can you circle back at bitch about the clutch system, shocks, billet cases vrs production cases, how about tires?

Like did RG have to make a Speed tire….

that’s got to be worth 3-4 pages

 

[DILLIGAF]

Speculate all you want. But don’t cry when people bring some facts to disprove your conjecture. Don’t ask for a participation trophy if you are incapable of debate and discussion.

I’m down to debate whatever, but when you limp in not knowing anything about the situation expect to be owned.

You see me arguing with @Uncle Dave?
He actually brought a level of intelligence and acumen to the discussion instead of memes and stupid assumptions.

Now you are coming off as a dick

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Now you are coming off as a dick

Now?

That ship sailed long ago.

 

[WhatExit?]

Now you are coming off as a dick

Now?

If RD didn’t have skin in the game Orange Aid would’ve been given a vacation for repeatedly abusing the members. Hell, the Jab thread posters are friendlier

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Speculate all you want. But don’t cry when people bring some facts to disprove your conjecture. Don’t ask for a participation trophy if you are incapable of debate and discussion.

I’m down to debate whatever, but when you limp in not knowing anything about the situation expect to be owned.

You see me arguing with @Uncle Dave?
He actually brought a level of intelligence and acumen to the discussion instead of memes and stupid assumptions.

The above is right in line with your "way" of discussion.

You simply cannot write an opinion without trying to belittle someone else's.

Your insecurities are profound and as I've said before, it's actually sad.

 

[Lavey5150]

Now you are coming off as a dick

And RG is the Vagina.

Now?

That ship sailed long ago.

But it always comes back. Weird.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

And RG is the Vagina.

But it always comes back. Weird.

Well, the Earth is round...

Give it a moment and LOF Psaki will be here to tell us that's incorrect.

 

[WhatExit?]

Tick…tick…tick…

 

[Bpracing1127]

those speed tires are just private label tensors

 

[ArizonaKevin]

those speed tires are just private label tensors

That's surprising because of his relationship with Toyo, I had assumed they were private label Toyo's.