4 seat speed UTV

[LargeOrangeFont]

oh my gosh! 5 pages since Friday. What did I miss? :thud:

Literally you missed nothing Tim

 

[attitude]

What are the odds this thread reaches a 100 pages before the car is delivered?

 

[HNL2LHC]

Literally you missed nothing Tim

Thanks I was worried that they might have started production aNd shipped the first units. I might just have to request updates once a week instead of trying to keep up. LOL.

 

[HNL2LHC]

What are the odds this thread reaches a 100 pages before the car is delivered?

I am sure if LOF takes a bet I have confidence he will make it happen.

 

[riverroyal]

'Speed cars will push the utv world forward' as many claim
Just dont use any RG patents.
Noted

 

[Todd Mohr]

What are the odds this thread reaches a 100 pages before the car is delivered?

100%

 

[hallett21]

What are the odds this thread reaches a 100 pages before the car is delivered?

I’m only betting against that with 10:1 odds lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What are the odds this thread reaches a 100 pages before the car is delivered?

Some of these guys are so fizzed up, I could make it reach 100 by the end of the week

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

'Speed cars will push the utv world forward' as many claim
Just dont use any RG patents.
Noted

It is a good thing this car won't need many upgrades.

Want to know why your Can Am has 6 radius rods? Polaris patents. Engineers will figure out a way around them.

If all Speed does is force the MFGs to make cars that don't need $10K upgrades to go out and pound in the desert, that is a win for the industry and the consumer.

 

[WhatExit?]

It is a good thing this car won't need many upgrades.

Want to know why your Can Am has 6 radius rods? Polaris patents. Engineers will figure out a way around them.

If all Speed does is force the MFGs to make cars that don't need $10K upgrades to go out and pound in the desert, that is a win for the industry and the consumer.

Here's a clue: MFRs know how to make cars that don't need $10K in upgrades but they cost more $ which raises the MSRP which is beyond their target. With inflation driving everything up MSRP is more of an issue now.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Here's a clue: MFRs know how to make cars that don't need $10K in upgrades but they cost more $ which raises the MSRP which is beyond their target. With inflation driving everything up MSRP is more of an issue now.

Here is another clue!

I'd love to hear this "price target" you are talking about because a top line Polaris is $45K before options . Most people put $5K into these things at least. Just wheels, tires, comms, and lights, will about get you there. The MFGs now know they can charge you $2K more for $5K worth of aftermarket upgrades that their COGS on are $100. And the consumer will gladly pay because they can simply finance the thing and it is cheaper for them. The MFGs want to push the costs up to increase their margins, and capture those aftermarket dollars for themselves. MSRP is not an issue, they are selling every SXS they can build. Have you seen dealers selling "custom" SXSs for $60K+?

Can Am and Polaris have been inching their way there. Speed was really the first to go all in on that concept and float it out to the market. Polaris is closer with the new car.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Well, the best part about this thread, there will be outcome,all questions will be answered. The “Speed Car” itself will provide the outcome one way or another.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Just curious if you think anyone is really going to spend 40k on a speed car and just leave it stock?

Robby sure doesn’t think so!https://speedutv.com/shop/accessories/

So stop acting like it’s going to be left alone you’re just being silly.

 

[702sandman]

That sounds fair. Were any of those races with the new car, specifically late in the year, like Cal City?

Also do you think Polaris held back this new car in an an attempt to screw Speed, their smallest competitor, while giving sales to CanAm, their biggest?

No the new car / cars have only raced Baja and the mint so it didn’t affect anything in BITD this year. As far as when the car was released it was supposed to be out last year but there was to many supply chain issues that held that up and then that same issue has carried over to this year. The timing then came down to Wayne racing it in Baja so it had to be released before that. I would have to think the other manufacturers are struggling with supply chain issues right now also. Mainly due to lack of supply and actual parts costing more to get right now. Robbie set his prices before these issues really hit so I definitely think his profits are shrinking really fast as the car takes longer to get to the market the higher the actual build cost are mounting up for production. It’s affecting everyone across the board.

 

[DLC]

What are the odds this thread reaches a 100 pages before the car is delivered?

More like 125 pages, we have all summer!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

No the new car / cars have only raced Baja and the mint so it didn’t affect anything in BITD this year. As far as when the car was released it was supposed to be out last year but there was to many supply chain issues that held that up and then that same issue has carried over to this year. The timing then came down to Wayne racing it in Baja so it had to be released before that. I would have to think the other manufacturers are struggling with supply chain issues right now also. Mainly due to lack of supply and actual parts costing more to get right now. Robbie set his prices before these issues really hit so I definitely think his profits are shrinking really fast as the car takes longer to get to the market the higher the actual build cost are mounting up for production. It’s affecting everyone across the board.

Thank you, that is great insight. I’m sure the Polaris marketing team in this thread will ignore you.

I agree on margins, and the Speed prices are going to increase fast once they debut, or sooner. He’s said there is no margin in the thousand early cars at the introductory price point. They make more margin in the option parts than the cars anyway.

 

[Groper]

Just curious if you think anyone is really going to spend 40k on a speed car and just leave it stock?

Robby sure doesn’t think so!https://speedutv.com/shop/accessories/

So stop acting like it’s going to be left alone you’re just being silly.

I did spend $40k on a car that has a MSRP of $30k +$7500 add ons+fees+taxes =$40 OTD.
These Speed UTV's won't need Aftermarket Cages, Bead Lock Wheels, Full LT travel Suspension, Shocks re-sprung & valving, Seats, Spare Tire, Spare Tire Mount, Belts, LED Light Bars, Radios, or Exhaust changes.
These are all installed during assembly pickup the car and drive it, no dealing with searching for parts or dealing with POS shops that bend you over for aftermarket installs.

 

[Lavey5150]

More like 1250 pages, we have forever!

Fixed it for ya.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Just curious if you think anyone is really going to spend 40k on a speed car and just leave it stock?

Robby sure doesn’t think so!https://speedutv.com/shop/accessories/

So stop acting like it’s going to be left alone you’re just being silly.

Who said anyone was gonna leave anything stock?

Stop being silly. @Groper gets it. I can spend my money on stuff I want to do rather than upgrades to hold the car together or make it safer for my family.

Here’s an easy one. Want heated seats in a Polaris or Can Am? You are looking at new seats and harnesses for those new seats to the tune of $3k+ for a 4 seat car.

Heated seats in the Speed? Buy the kit for $100/seat. Seats and car are already setup for the option.

 

[HNL2LHC]

More like 125 pages, we have all summer!

Fixed it for ya.

Rough crowd in here. Good thing that I am wearing my jockstrap. :looking:

 

[WhatExit?]

Thank you, that is great insight. I’m sure the Polaris marketing team in this thread will ignore you.

I agree on margins, and the Speed prices are going to increase fast once they debut, or sooner. He’s said there is no margin in the thousand early cars at the introductory price point. They make more margin in the option parts than the cars anyway.

What guarantee do spot holders have regarding prices of the cars, options and accessories?

And if there are guarantees, how can Speed afford to honor them?

 

[riverroyal]

Serious question…once these are out for a bit people will want make changes, just like the other manufactures, will companies like Ct or zrp, assault etc make anything? Are they wanting to build parts or is RG such a one man show you will not find aftermarket parts
Im not talking about Baja designs or that type.
Like suspension parts? Motor mods?
It doesn’t matter how turn key this thing is, people will make changes

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What guarantee do spot holders have regarding prices of the cars, options and accessories?

And if there are guarantees, how can Speed afford to honor them?

This is all going to unravel any day now. Bigger startups than Speed have gone under, remember? If they break even on the first 1500 cars and sell the other 13500 for the current MSRP and current pricing, I'm certain they will go out of business,

Individual reservation holders have already been invoiced for everything they purchased. Past sales and invoicing has nothing to do with future prices, the pricing of things going forward is fluid.

If you watched the weekly releases you'd actually know something about the business model. The first thousandish cars were always supposed to be loss leaders with little margin. That is why they raised the prices in the manner that they have. The cars are already marked up 20% more than they were 2 years ago. You buying a car for MSRP direct nets more $ to Speed, than buying MSRP from a dealer anyway.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Serious question…once these are out for a bit people will want make changes, just like the other manufactures, will companies like Ct or zrp, assault etc make anything? Are they wanting to build parts or is RG such a one man show you will not find aftermarket parts
Im not talking about Baja designs or that type.
Like suspension parts? Motor mods?
It doesn’t matter how turn key this thing is, people will make changes

I'd expect it to be a lot like the XX. There wont be much in the way of "long travel" kits, replacement arms, etc. but the way the car looks, I don't think any of that will be needed.

I think for smaller suspension parts, engine mods/exhaust, etc. it is just gonna depend on how well the car is received. If 6 months after they are released there are several thousand of them running around and demand is steady, you'll see a lot of people jumping into the parts game for it.

I think Morgan Motorsports will make a bunch of crap for it personally.

 

[Lavey5150]

Such Classic Tom.

 

[Racer56]

I'd expect it to be a lot like the XX. There wont be much in the way of "long travel" kits, replacement arms, etc. but the way the car looks, I don't think any of that will be needed.

I think for smaller suspension parts, engine mods/exhaust, etc. it is just gonna depend on how well the car is received. If 6 months after they are released there are several thousand of them running around and demand is steady, you'll see a lot of people jumping into the parts game for it.

I think Morgan Motorsports will make a bunch of crap for it personally.

There will be very little available for major component aftermarket parts for the Speed cars, just like the XX's. Robby filed for or received patents for all major components on both cars. Robby is very smart that way and wants to completely control all aftermarket upgrades that go onto one of his cars. After all, I think all of the profit is in the add on accessories and upgrades.

I would expect that the only shop in the country that will have any leeway with this, is Morgan Motorsports in Havasu!

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Who said anyone was gonna leave anything stock?

Stop being silly. @Groper gets it. I can spend my money on stuff I want to do rather than upgrades to hold the car together or make it safer for my family.

Here’s an easy one. Want heated seats in a Polaris or Can Am? You are looking at new seats and harnesses for those new seats to the tune of $3k+ for a 4 seat car.

Heated seats in the Speed? Buy the kit for $100/seat. Seats and car are already setup for the option.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

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You must have missed the part about the Speed UTV having carbon fiber bucket seats in 4 sizes to choose from as standard equipment.

Don’t worry I’m sure owners won’t leave those carbon fiber seats in there and will upgrade to plastic seats with steel frames like a RZR.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Nope just pointing out your wrong about heater options

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Nope just pointing out your wrong about heater options

Sure I am.

No one in the southwest spending $50k on a new SXS and buying $2500 in aftermarket custom seats is going to rip each seat apart to put a generic $40 seat heat insert in each seat.

Plus if you get them with a Speed they are installed for free and warranted.

But keep on being petty.

 

[Joker]

Maybe this is part of the future where you can buy land next to Snoop Dogg but you don’t actually have the land?

 

[WhatExit?]

But keep on being petty.

Really?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Really?

This from the gaslighting meme man?

 

[DILLIGAF]

I see what you mean about the school kid lol

@Lunatic Fringe

 

[Boatymcboatface]

You must have missed the part about being wrong.

 

[Singleton]

Who said anyone was gonna leave anything stock?

Stop being silly. @Groper gets it. I can spend my money on stuff I want to do rather than upgrades to hold the car together or make it safer for my family.

Here’s an easy one. Want heated seats in a Polaris or Can Am? You are looking at new seats and harnesses for those new seats to the tune of $3k+ for a 4 seat car.

Heated seats in the Speed? Buy the kit for $100/seat. Seats and car are already setup for the option.

The average Polaris / CanAm buyer does not upgrade anything. I would say apx 25% upgrade something.
IMO, that 25% are the ones looking at the Speed car and RG did his homework and figured out what most people upgrade and will control that. Almost zero aftermarket parts will exist for a few years. Those MFG’ers require the car before the general public in most cases and RG is not going to delay production.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The average Polaris / CanAm buyer does not upgrade anything. I would say apx 25% upgrade something.
IMO, that 25% are the ones looking at the Speed car and RG did his homework and figured out what most people upgrade and will control that. Almost zero aftermarket parts will exist for a few years. Those MFG’ers require the car before the general public in most cases and RG is not going to delay production.

I’m not talking about a Polaris Ranger owner. I’m talking about the demographic that would buy a high end SXS. This is a niche car for the high end SXS buyer. It is harder to find a bone stock Turbo S or high end Can Am than it is finding one with modifications. Don’t believe me? I challenge you to find more than a handful of bone stock SXS in the Bunker Bar parking lot any given weekend... and half the stock ones you do find will be rentals.

And it is not going to take a “few years” for aftermarket parts when 15k cars are slated for a production run and sold. Morgan Motorsports probably already has parts in the works. If these rings come out at the purported volume, there will be demand for parts, mounts, etc.

Shock Therapy isn’t even getting their Polaris Pro R to develop parts on until it debuts for sale. They are expecting to have most of their parts out 6-8 weeks after getting the car. The market can react where there is demand. If you are saying there will be no parts because there is no demand for the car and it is t going to sell, that is a different discussion I guess.

 

[riverroyal]

The average Polaris / CanAm buyer does not upgrade anything. I would say apx 25% upgrade something.
IMO, that 25% are the ones looking at the Speed car and RG did his homework and figured out what most people upgrade and will control that. Almost zero aftermarket parts will exist for a few years. Those MFG’ers require the car before the general public in most cases and RG is not going to delay production.

I must be in the 5% to upgrade everything

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I must be in the 5% to upgrade everything

You did the same thing that 75% of people that off-road in CA NV and AZ do. When’s the last time you saw a bone stock car that wasn’t on a dealership floor?

I saw 2 rentals at the Poker Run last weekend and 1 stock Can Am Maxx that was 6 inches off the ground... out of hundreds of cars.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

I’m into for $35 for mirrors $300 for whips and a spare belt for $150. 500miles on it already. Might ad a $100 cooler

 

[702sandman]

Thank you, that is great insight. I’m sure the Polaris marketing team in this thread will ignore you.

I agree on margins, and the Speed prices are going to increase fast once they debut, or sooner. He’s said there is no margin in the thousand early cars at the introductory price point. They make more margin in the option parts than the cars anyway.

Yes I totally need to worry

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I see what you mean about the school kid lol

@Lunatic Fringe

Yep.
LOF Psaki makin' friends and influencing people.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

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I’m into $35 for mirrors. 500miles on it already. Might ad a $100 cooler

Awesome. There is nothing wrong with a stock machine, they are just in the minority.

They don’t tend to stay stock when you start riding in groups and want to communicate with your friends. You start doing night rides and need more light. You start going further distances and need a spare tire. You want it to perform better so you change the suspension. Maybe you decide you want a windsheild, a bumper to mount the lights on...

I just listed $3k-$5k in stuff. You don’t need it, but the majority end up with it to enhance their experience... or not be stranded in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Yes and you added all that stuff to your speed car that’s why it’s 50k not the 32k you keep preaching about! But you paid a premium because it’s got RGs name on it.

 

[Groper]

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LOL not even close to being the same quality your comparing apples to oranges, I bought a heated seat kit from Amazon that was exactly the same type as you posted for my sandrail, I wouldn't install that kit in my closest enemy's car, I sent it back, it was a short n fire starting to happen haha

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yep.
LOF Psaki makin' friends and influencing people.

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Keep hating and crying LF

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yes and you added all that stuff to your speed car that’s why it’s 50k not the 32k you keep preaching about! But you paid a premium because it’s got RGs name on it.

Both of mine were $36k. Sorry you can’t math, but that is less than $50k.

My car will be out the door completely modded how I want it cheaper than a new stock Turbo R from a dealer.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Mine was $36k. Sorry you can’t math.

It won’t be for long! You’ll find things when you start riding with your friends and the nice thing about that is you’ll come on here and tell everyone about all the things you added and what it cost.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

LOL not even close to being the same quality your comparing apples to oranges, I bought a heated seat kit from Amazon that was exactly the same type as you posted for my sandrail, I wouldn't install that kit in my closest enemy's car, I sent it back, it was a short n fire starting to happen haha

Yeah none of the speed stuff is crap made over seas? Lol

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

It won’t be for long! You’ll find things when you start riding with your friends and the nice thing about that is you’ll come on here and tell everyone about all the things you added and what it cost.

And he'll also say he knew it all along and deny he ever said different.