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From the above... "...those who've taken the financial risk are seeing this thread continue on and on which doesn't make anyone feel better about if or when the cars will be delivered."

All of those that are financially invested seem to feel fine about the situation. We have all said so in this thread. Those that are tired of waiting have gotten out and been made whole or more than whole. All that is left is you and 5 other guys crying about me and everything I say. Why are you so worried about our financial and mental well being.. we have all said we are just fine... repeatedly.

I'm asking you again, why do you care, and why are you so deeply invested in the outcome of something you aren't involved with and have next to 0 knowledge about. After all that, then you try to gaslight everyone with "I hope these are delivered and soon".
Because it always has and always will be easier to talk smack about those who have taken a risk.

Look at the Tesla is going to fail thread. Had you taken 10k and pushed it you’d be laughing at every member here. Including the ones who really know what money is.

Well.... maybe laughing with them and not at them 😁
 
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Lol.


That’s like a girl that gets beat by her abusive husband. She thinks he is great because she is emotionally invested in the asshole. Everyone and their dog can see he is a piece of shit





People who bought spots are the girl.

That’s pretty out there. 😳
 

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Not hating Dave. I'm an avid off roader (not a SxS'er because I don't want to eat dust for fun) and I've been in business a long time. I, you and many others have seen thousands of startups with all kinds of outcomes and - I've said this many times already - I hope these cars are delivered and soon. But there are a number of things that get attention on the pages here including people buying and selling spots in a line, delays, lack of information, and one spot owner who is keeping this thread going almost single handedly as he responds to posters who aren't drinking the Orange Kool Aid.

I'm not "emotionally invested" in this but I will say, how many threads are on RDP where people appear to be "emotionally invested" in a subject that they may know very little about and/or they don't own the product? How many people don't care for Blackstone Griddles or have bought a different one? The difference here is that there's a lot invested in this product and there's financial and emotional risk involved and until they're delivered that will continue. And that's why this issue seems to be so contentious - because those who've taken the financial risk are seeing this thread continue on and on which doesn't make anyone feel better about if or when the cars will be delivered.


If you do one thing today do this: Take your own advice and follow what you've suggested to me in your very defensive post above. And while you're doing it, keep you're insults to yourself. You're spending a lot of time dragging other posters down to your level and then beating us with insults. Not a good look especially for a moderator.

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He moderates the P&G section only Dan so give that a rest..

You are saying it’s contentious because people have a lot invested.. but literally every single person that has money invested is comfortable with the position they are in..

Weirdly the people that don’t have one on order are the ones being contentious.. they are saying it will fail as a company. They are saying you will never get the cars..

They say “it’s been two years!!” Not realizing the announcement that they were gonna come out with a car was two years ago.. not the initial delivery date..

They are saying lack of information (like you just did). But speed puts out weekly videos with updates and has disclosed literally everything about the car?

Have any of these people Watched any of the 80 something videos out there?
They say all this crazy shit but don’t watch the videos.. don’t have any relevant information.

This thread is basically LOF arguing with a couple people. The common denominator is none of those people have any money invested. I’d almost wager with the exception of RR,
None of them even have a SXS?

It’s crazy to me.. why do they care? Why are they rooting for failure? Why so negative?
 

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Because it always has and always will be easier to talk smack about those who have taken a risk.

Look at the Tesla is going to fail thread. Had you taken 10k and pushed it you’d be laughing at every member here. Including the ones who really know what money is.

Well.... maybe laughing with them and not at them 😁

I wish I had taken my Speed money and pushed it all in on Tesla stock in April 2020. I pushed it into other stuff and it did really well, but not that well. Honestly these things not being delivered has been great for me, and the car paid for itself 5x over.

I was one of the ones that said Tesla wouldn’t make it for awhile there. I was wrong on that one!
 

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He moderates the P&G section only Dan so give that a rest..

You are saying it’s contentious because people have a lot invested.. but literally every single person that has money invested is comfortable with the position they are in..

Weirdly the people that don’t have one on order are the ones being contentious.. they are saying it will fail as a company. They are saying you will never get the cars..

They say “it’s been two years!!” Not realizing the announcement that they were gonna come out with a car was two years ago.. not the initial delivery date..

They are saying lack of information (like you just did). But speed puts out weekly videos with updates and has disclosed literally everything about the car?

Have any of these people Watched any of the 80 something videos out there?
They say all this crazy shit but don’t watch the videos.. don’t have any relevant information.

This thread is basically LOF arguing with a couple people. The common denominator is none of those people have any money invested. I’d almost wager with the exception of RR,
None of them even have a SXS?

It’s crazy to me.. why do they care? Why are they rooting for failure? Why so negative?

Well Dave maybe you will get an answer.
 

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Keep it up running for thread of the year with your “punchy” comebacks. I’ve yet to not answer a single one of your thought provoking questions. Next slide, please.

How about the why do you care what happens to me and my money question? :)
 

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How about the why do you care what happens to me and my money question? :)
You never asked me that. Perhaps you have me confused with a different “hater” a couple thousand posts ago, or you’ve got me in a pickle and I’m too lazy to go back that far and check. Either way, to answer your question then or now…I don’t. 😁
 

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And you said that was "last week" and it was a change they talked about 3 months ago.
I saw it on the last live feed, i think on the 2nd.
Doesnt matter really. Just fun winter thread. Im still taking your beer no matter what.
 

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I think a bunch of this is people just dont care for RG.
Sometimes the owner/innovative guy needs to not be the guy talking.

When a singlular name can become a target people pile on.
He is the target. Not the product itself.
When there are numerous targets or a product is a target the 'ganging up' is less.

Human nature unfortunately
 
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He moderates the P&G section only Dan so give that a rest..

You are saying it’s contentious because people have a lot invested.. but literally every single person that has money invested is comfortable with the position they are in..

Weirdly the people that don’t have one on order are the ones being contentious.. they are saying it will fail as a company. They are saying you will never get the cars..

They say “it’s been two years!!” Not realizing the announcement that they were gonna come out with a car was two years ago.. not the initial delivery date..

They are saying lack of information (like you just did). But speed puts out weekly videos with updates and has disclosed literally everything about the car?

Have any of these people Watched any of the 80 something videos out there?
They say all this crazy shit but don’t watch the videos.. don’t have any relevant information.

This thread is basically LOF arguing with a couple people. The common denominator is none of those people have any money invested. I’d almost wager with the exception of RR,
None of them even have a SXS?

It’s crazy to me.. why do they care? Why are they rooting for failure? Why so negative?
Couldn't have said it better myself RD!!

Kind of sad seeing all the hate, but oh well... The usual "they don't have any cars out" "They wont ever come" "RG is a liar and is a scam" people will just have to come up with some new slogans when they do arrive and arrive soon they will! Again paying customer that doesn't mind the wait, I just want a solid car and I believe that is what we're getting. If you don't like it, leave lol Fucking annoying.
 

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I saw it on the last live feed, i think on the 2nd.
Doesnt matter really. Just fun winter thread. Im still taking your beer no matter what.
I do owe you beer for sure. :) You were right on that one.

When this turd arrives I’ll give you a ride.
 
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I think a bunch of this is people just dont care for RG.
Sometimes the owner/innovative guy needs to not be the guy talking.

When a singlular name can become a target people pile on.
He is the target. Not the product itself.
When there are numerous targets or a product is a target the 'ganging up' is less.

Human nature unfortunately
In general, I think our culture has a tendency to want people who are perceived as successful to fail. For people who are remotely interested in motorsports trading places with RG might be a fantasy, but we truly have no idea what sacrifices people or families make to be in the position they are in. I tend to push away from FOMO, so this early adopter Speed UTV deal would not be for me. However, it seems a solid marketing strategy that worked in generating interest. It's an obvious uphill climb to do what he is attempting. I hope he pulls it off, but how could I not be jealous of his success? We all want to be like an RG, so maybe it's easier to dislike people who can do what he does?
 
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Maybe it's 2021 and it's an internet forum and people have a vested interest so some tend to be defensive and even thin-skinned.

"Why do they care?" "Why are they rooting for failure?" "Why so negative?" Most don't care. Most aren't rooting for failure. Most aren't negative. There are 3 sides to every story and this story has at least that many. This is a 71-page train and everyone is waiting to see if/when it pulls into the station (and everyone is wondering if it will somehow be a trainwreck and then, watch out).

Seriously, if this thread was about a new grill/smoker and which one is better there wouldn't be anyone defending their purchases like this.
 

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Maybe it's 2021 and it's an internet forum and people have a vested interest so some tend to be defensive and even thin-skinned.

"Why do they care?" "Why are they rooting for failure?" "Why so negative?" Most don't care. Most aren't rooting for failure. Most aren't negative. There are 3 sides to every story and this story has at least that many. This is a 71-page train and everyone is waiting to see if/when it pulls into the station (and everyone is wondering if it will somehow be a trainwreck and then, watch out).

Seriously, if this thread was about a new grill/smoker and which one is better there wouldn't be anyone defending their purchases like this.

LOF loves to defend his positions.. lol. But the Haterade is strong in this thread, there’s no denying that.
 

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Maybe it's 2021 and it's an internet forum and people have a vested interest so some tend to be defensive and even thin-skinned.

"Why do they care?" "Why are they rooting for failure?" "Why so negative?" Most don't care. Most aren't rooting for failure. Most aren't negative. There are 3 sides to every story and this story has at least that many. This is a 71-page train and everyone is waiting to see if/when it pulls into the station (and everyone is wondering if it will somehow be a trainwreck and then, watch out).

Seriously, if this thread was about a new grill/smoker and which one is better there wouldn't be anyone defending their purchases like this.

That's where you have it wrong. No one has to "defend" anything they do to you. Everyone is very open that this was a discounted price for taking a risk on a new brand. There simply is nothing else to say. If the product comes out and is great.. awesome. If it is a flop, those involved will deal with it.

Beyond that there is really nothing else to say. If you truly didn't care you'd say "Good luck, we will see how it turns out for you.". You obviously care, because you do the exact opposite, constantly gaslighting in the thread.

The crying about where the parts are sourced, crying about the timeline, crying that the business could fail, crying that the thread has jumped the shark, crying that people are selling their places in line for profits, is just that... a lot of crying. None of the above affects you at all. Hell, I have a couple cars ordered and it really does not even affect me, so why do you keep bringing it up if you don't care and are well wishing on the whole deal?

A few people like @nganga have brought up legitimate concerns, and that is great I enjoy debating and talking about those concerns. He's also not in here crying day after day about the same crap over and over.

In the end we will all see how this all plays out as the next few months progress.

All that said, when I get something, if you are in Havasu you are welcome to take a ride and see how you like it for yourself.
 

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LOF loves to defend his positions.. lol. But the Haterade is strong in this thread, there’s no denying that.

There's certainly no denying LOF Psaki loves to defend his positions, facts and reality be damned sometimes, but maybe I haven't read all the posts closely enough.

I really haven't seen what I would refer to as "hating".
There has been some legitimate questions, some repetitive questions and some teasing but I don't see hatred.

LOF Psaki is really the one who ramps up all the emotion in this thread by being an extremist with the adjectives and adverbs.
Just look at his previous comment.
EVERYBODY is crying.
EVERYBODY is worried.
In his opinion, if somebody does not have money invested in a build spot, they have no business commenting or possibly even reading about the Speed deal.
 
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There's certainly no denying LOF Psaki loves to defend his positions, facts and reality be damned sometimes, but maybe I haven't read all the posts closely enough.

I really haven't seen what I would refer to as "hating".
There has been some legitimate questions, some repetitive questions and some teasing but I don't see hatred.

LOF Psaki is really the one who ramps up all the emotion in this thread by being an extremist with the adjectives and adverbs.
Just look at his previous comment.
NOBODY is crying.
NOBODY is worried.
In his opinion, if somebody does not have money invested in a build spot, they have no business commenting or possibly even reading about the Speed deal.
Why would you cry or be worried unless you are financially vested in SPEED?

You can’t deny there’s a lot of people who have no skin in the game who are worried about SPEEDs future.
 

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Why would you cry or be worried unless you are financially vested in SPEED?

You can’t deny there’s a lot of people who have no skin in the game who are worried about SPEEDs future.


The statements that members are worried or crying or whatever is incorrect in my opinion.
I don't correlate questions or comments as "worry" or "crying".
His sometimes seemingly bizarre reactions say more about his concern than anyone else's
 

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The statements that members are worried or crying or whatever is incorrect in my opinion.
I don't correlate questions or comments as "worry" or "crying".
His sometimes seemingly bizarre reactions say more about his concern than anyone else's
I guess the question would be why are you (not you specifically) concerned about something that has no effect on you? Financially or any other mater.

I understand if someone asks you “what do you think about SPEED?” Obviously you’d give you’re opinion. But a lot of people want to give their 2 cents on something they have no involvement with.

I don’t care either way 😁
 

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I guess the question would be why are you (not you specifically) concerned about something that has no effect on you? Financially or any other mater.

I understand if someone asks you “what do you think about SPEED?” Obviously you’d give you’re opinion. But a lot of people want to give their 2 cents on something they have no involvement with.

I don’t care either way 😁

Ummm, are you familiar with social media? :D That's exactly how it works.

The whole premise is an open discussion about whatever topic, and sidetracks, are presented.

I guess I'm just hung up on the semantics. Haters. Crying. Worried.
I just haven't seen that in this thread.
Maybe it's just me?:oops:
 

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Ummm, are you familiar with social media? :D That's exactly how it works.

The whole premise is an open discussion about whatever topic, and sidetracks, are presented.

I guess I'm just hung up on the semantics. Haters. Crying. Worried.
I just haven't seen that in this thread.
Maybe it's just me?:oops:
Fair enough lol.

Just figured this board held themselves to a higher standard. 2020-2021 has proved me wrong 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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There's certainly no denying LOF Psaki loves to defend his positions, facts and reality be damned sometimes, but maybe I haven't read all the posts closely enough.

I really haven't seen what I would refer to as "hating".
There has been some legitimate questions, some repetitive questions and some teasing but I don't see hatred.

LOF Psaki is really the one who ramps up all the emotion in this thread by being an extremist with the adjectives and adverbs.
Just look at his previous comment.
EVERYBODY is crying.
EVERYBODY is worried.
In his opinion, if somebody does not have money invested in a build spot, they have no business commenting or possibly even reading about the Speed deal.

The fun part is watching you all get whipped up into a froth again and again over something you aren't even involved in or know about. It really is a sight to behold. I'd love for you to find the word EVERYBODY in my previous comment, which would be post #3521. That reverence does not exist and certainly not in reference to crying or whining, because there are only a few of you doing that. I trust you will ignore this ask however, and that further proves my point that you deal in hyperbole and gaslighting in a attempt to save face for a position you have very little info on and are unable to defend intelligently.

I never said you have no business saying anything if you aren't involved, What I said was don't try to tell us what the situation or "facts" are when those involved have been watching the process unfold for 2 years and know more of the details than you do. And yes I said if you don't like the thread, don't open it or put me on ignore.
 

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The statements that members are worried or crying or whatever is incorrect in my opinion.
I don't correlate questions or comments as "worry" or "crying".
His sometimes seemingly bizarre reactions say more about his concern than anyone else's

Bingo! Every insult about people worrying, crying, hating, etc. is coming from LOF Psaki.

I'm no psychologist but I looked this up - sound familiar?

Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.
 

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Bingo! Every insult about people worrying, crying, hating, etc. is coming from LOF Psaki.

I'm no psychologist but I looked this up - sound familiar?

Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.

Seems like a great self diagnosis. Admitting you have a problem is the first step of dealing with it.
 

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The fun part is watching you all get whipped up into a froth again and again over something you aren't even involved in or know about. It really is a sight to behold. I'd love for you to find the word EVERYBODY in my previous comment, which would be post #3521. That reverence does not exist and certainly not in reference to crying or whining, because there are only a few of you doing that. I trust you will ignore this ask however, and that further proves my point that you deal in hyperbole and gaslighting in a attempt to save face for a position you have very little info on and are unable to defend intelligently.

I never said you have no business saying anything if you aren't involved, What I said was don't try to tell us what the situation or "facts" are when those involved have been watching the process unfold for 2 years and know more of the details than you do. And yes I said if you don't like the thread, don't open it or put me on ignore.

And just like that...now we're "whipped up into a froth again and again"...read what you wrote and imagine you wrote it TO yourself. Make sense now?
 

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And just like that...now we're "whipped up into a froth again and again"...read what you wrote and imagine you wrote it TO yourself. Make sense now?

There is that Phycological projection again. Truly the mark of a liberal trying to tell others how to live and act :)
 

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The fun part is watching you all get whipped up into a froth again and again over something you aren't even involved in or know about. It really is a sight to behold. I'd love for you to find the word EVERYBODY in my previous comment, which would be post #3521. That reverence does not exist and certainly not in reference to crying or whining, because there are only a few of you doing that. I trust you will ignore this ask however, and that further proves my point that you deal in hyperbole and gaslighting in a attempt to save face for a position you have very little info on and are unable to defend intelligently.

I never said you have no business saying anything if you aren't involved, What I said was don't try to tell us what the situation or "facts" are when those involved have been watching the process unfold for 2 years and know more of the details than you do. And yes I said if you don't like the thread, don't open it or put me on ignore.

OK Ms. Psaki.
I'd be more than willing to match wits with you but you would never admit defeat and it would simply bore the others.
Hell it would bore me.

As far as what I do and do not know about the Speed program. Don't assume you know who I am and what I know.
Nowhere have I said anything negative about the Speed car and it's build/development process. You are so quick to try and "beat people down with their own ignorance" (your words) that you yourself end up appearing ignorant.

Shakespeare wrote in Hamlet a line that fits you, LOF Psaki, very well.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
 

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OK Ms. Psaki.
I'd be more than willing to match wits with you but you would never admit defeat and it would simply bore the others.
Hell it would bore me.

As far as what I do and do not know about the Speed program. Don't assume you know who I am and what I know.
Nowhere have I said anything negative about the Speed car and it's build/development process. You are so quick to try and "beat people down with their own ignorance" (your words) that you yourself end up appearing ignorant.

Shakespeare wrote in Hamlet a line that fits you, LOF Psaki, very well.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Now them there words is a little too edumactaed for me....lol
 

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How many times has it been implied if you don’t have money vested in a Speed UTV, your opinion doesn’t matter? Too many times to count. Even the fearless leader himself said it. It’s obvious by post count alone there’s one member continuously throwing gasoline on this 3,500+ post dumpster fire. This thread, at this point, has purely become a pissing match with little to NOTHING to do with the actual SxS. I’m guilty of it myself, mostly from a pure entertainment standpoint. I’m out…again! 😂 😂 😂
 

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OK Ms. Psaki.
I'd be more than willing to match wits with you but you would never admit defeat and it would simply bore the others.
Hell it would bore me.

As far as what I do and do not know about the Speed program. Don't assume you know who I am and what I know.
Nowhere have I said anything negative about the Speed car and it's build/development process. You are so quick to try and "beat people down with their own ignorance" (your words) that you yourself end up appearing ignorant.

Shakespeare wrote in Hamlet a line that fits you, LOF Psaki, very well.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

You have bored me many times over already, so here comes the beat down with your own ignorance.

I asked you if you could show me where your EVERYBODY quote of mine came from. You ignored it like I knew you would. I'll help you out - It does not exist in the quote you mentioned. Lets start with you admitting you are just attempting to put your own words and feelings into my mouth. If I'm Jen Psaki, this makes you ol' Juicy Smollet playing the victim.

I don't care what your feelings or statements are about the development process of the car, you can feel however you want about it. If anybody should listen to your opinion, you've done a piss poor job of articulating why.
 

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How many times has it been implied if you don’t have money vested in a Speed UTV, your opinion doesn’t matter? Too many times to count. Even the fearless leader himself said it. It’s obvious by post count alone there’s one member continuously throwing gasoline on this 3,500+ post dumpster fire. This thread, at this point, has purely become a pissing match with little to NOTHING to do with the actual SxS. I’m guilty of it myself, mostly from a pure entertainment standpoint. I’m out…again! 😂 😂 😂

You'll be back :)

When you step in with crap like

"The cars are 2 years late"
"The cars are made in China"
"I haven't even watched the weekly updates"

I'm not implying it, I'm telling you - Your opinion does not count for much because you clearly know next to nothing.
 

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You have bored me many times over already, so here comes the beat down with your own ignorance.

I asked you if you could show me where your EVERYBODY quote of mine came from. You ignored it like I knew you would. I'll help you out - It does not exist in the quote you mentioned. Lets start with you admitting you are just attempting to put your own words and feelings into my mouth. If I'm Jen Psaki, this makes you ol' Juicy Smollet playing the victim.

I don't care what your feelings or statements are about the development process of the car, you can feel however you want about it. If anybody should listen to your opinion, you've done a piss poor job of articulating why.

And yet, you just can't resist.
And not just to me, these forums are littered with your droppings.
 

Lunatic Fringe

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I'm mulling over Lunatic Dorsey, or Zuckerberg Fringe for your almost admirable ability of dodging questions :)

Ah, but I'm just shouting from the cheap seats.

You, LOF Psaki are the one who insists on answering questions.
Even when they are not asked of you or if you have any knowledge to impart.
 

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Ah, but I'm just shouting from the cheap seats.

You, LOF Psaki are the one who insists on answering questions.
Even when they are not asked of you or if you have any knowledge to impart.

If we waited for you to answer, we would all be dead Zuckerburg Fringe.
 

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I have 6 cars preordered now. That’s just the first one I’m selling. Loaded with options master #35 RG El Jefe.

How many have you sold? Is there a big market in Virginia, or are you just flipping them to the southwest states?
 
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