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I am surprised he didn't post his ad here himself.

It would take stainless steel gonads to enter this pit of vipers with that asking price, but it would be entertaining!
 

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It would take stainless steel gonads to enter this pit of vipers with that asking price, but it would be entertaining!

I think he could handle the half dozen whiners pretty handily?
 

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I think he could handle the half dozen whiners pretty handily?

Come on, even you can’t deny the pure entertainment value of rolling in here with an $80k asking price. Any kind of defense in the name of free markets or capitalism isn’t the point. This thread is stale as month old bread.
 

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Come on, even you can’t deny the pure entertainment value of rolling in here with an $80k asking price. Any kind of defense in the name of free markets or capitalism isn’t the point. This thread is stale as month old bread.

From an armchair QB perspective, and an RG circus fan,let's get this straight, guy is asking 80K for a car that, well, does not exist?🤣
 

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Come on, even you can’t deny the pure entertainment value of rolling in here with an $80k asking price. Any kind of defense in the name of free markets or capitalism isn’t the point. This thread is stale as month old bread.

I would love it. I just don't think any of you guys have any new material to come at him with :)
 

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From an armchair QB perspective, and an RG circus fan,let's get this straight, guy is asking 80K for a car that, well, does not exist?🤣
Non-existent car #35 to be exact. Race Dezert ad was linked a page back or so. MAKE ME SELL Carl says!!! 😂 😂 😂
 

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Oh ye of little faith. Hold my beer!

Because China
Doesn't exist
Business will fold
You wont get a car for 3, 6, 9, 12, 24 months.
Bolt in weld

That about sums up the entire crying game of the people that are uninformed and uninvolved :)

What else do you have?
 

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Because China
Doesn't exist
Business will fold
You wont get a car for 3, 6, 9, 12, 24 months.
Bolt in weld

That about sums up the entire crying game of the people that are uninformed and uninvolved :)

What else do you have?



Still no cars sold or in public hands
shitty welds
rumors of engine development issues now
so late to market RZR is going to beat them to the punch
broke all of them at the Mint 400
cheats at races and gets DQ when he doesnt break
 

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Because China
Doesn't exist
Business will fold
You wont get a car for 3, 6, 9, 12, 24 months.
Bolt in weld

That about sums up the entire crying game of the people that are uninformed and uninvolved :)

What else do you have?
For someone asking $80k??? Plenty. Even more for the village idiot who takes out a loan and pays it. Although that’s more than likely a pipe dream, I still have a shred of faith in humanity left in me.
 

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Still no cars sold or in public hands
shitty welds
rumors of engine development issues now
so late to market RZR is going to beat them to the punch
broke all of them at the Mint 400
cheats at races and gets DQ when he doesnt break

It is a startup, you don't have one on order, your opinion does not matter. Why do you care if they are sold yet or not?
Shitty welds on Polaris and Cam Am too
There are no rumors of "engine development issues" other than uninformed people in this thread who know nothing on the subject.
No one has beat anyone, you can't buy a new RZR and won't be able to for months.
They didn't race any Speed UTVs at the mint. A Wildcat XX prepped by Speed broke.
No one was DQd for cheating while racing a Speed UTV.

Try harder next time and don't lap up the vomit of others.
 
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It is a startup, you don't have one on order, your opinion does not matter. Why do you care if they are sold yet or not?
Shitty welds on Polaris and Cam Am too
There are no rumors of "engine development issues" other than uninformed people in this thread who know nothing on the subject.
No one has beat anyone, you can't buy a new RZR and won't be able to for months.
They didn't race any Speed UTVs at the mint. A Wildcat XX prepped by Speed broke.
No one was DQd for cheating while racing a Speed UTV.

Try harder next time and don't lap up the vomit of others.

Thanks for the clarification Baghdad Bob!
 

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If you wanted out right now you could sell your spot for even or for profit?

I don’t get the hard on to see these fail or what benefit there is in pointing out every short coming.

Whether you’re a buyer or not I would think you’d want SPEED to succeed so the SXS market continues progressing.
 
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If you wanted out right now you could sell your spot for even or for profit?

I don’t get the hard on to see these fail or what benefit there is in pointing out every short coming.

Whether you’re a buyer or not I would think you’d want SPEED to succeed so the SXS market continues progressing.

I could sell for the $8K profit I mentioned in less than a week. I could probably for what I have into it and just get out by this time tomorrow.
 

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No worries if you want to keep it private. What’s a ballpark for money spent as of today for the car you ordered?

LOL It's all in the open $12,351.94 to Speed and $17,648.06 at time of delivery plus what I have in my cart as accessories, my cart is $7434.88

My total is now $37434.88 + tax.

After owning a 2016 RZR4 Turbo and going through the car down to the pan 😲 I know im way ahead going from a RZR to a SPEED UTV.

Go to Race Desert and scroll through the RZR's & CanHams for sale to see what they have in their cars and what their asking 😮 I feel that what I'll spend on this car compared to other mfg's with all the added mods & changes to make then decent is very fair imo.

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Then stop crying about people trying to make a buck. It was just an asking price.
No Crying, pure ridicule. Too f'n bad for the poor sap that throws $$ at that pipedream.
I have free air for sale start bidding.........:rolleyes:
 

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It is a startup, you don't have one on order, your opinion does not matter. Why do you care if they are sold yet or not?
Shitty welds on Polaris and Cam Am too
There are no rumors of "engine development issues" other than uninformed people in this thread who know nothing on the subject.
No one has beat anyone, you can't buy a new RZR and won't be able to for months.
They didn't race any Speed UTVs at the mint. A Wildcat XX prepped by Speed broke.
No one was DQd for cheating while racing a Speed UTV.

Try harder next time and don't lap up the vomit of others.
No problem Brain not Found!

Here's a clue: This thread jumped the shark long ago. It isn't about the Speed Car; you've made this thread all about YOU. You're the ringmaster of this Speed UTV circus because you've designated yourself as the primary defender of a product that is not available.

You ignore the facts to defend the product in what seems to be a desperate attempt to prop up the value of SPOTS in LINE.

Cars are NOT BEING SOLD FOR A PROFIT - SPOTS ARE and that's speculative selling based on a perceived value. And if and when that perceived value crashes like a deflated blimp, the last ones holding spots in line will be the biggest losers.

I hope that doesn't happen meanwhile you've made yourself the star attraction - ignoring facts, insulting anyone and everyone you don't agree with. It must be nice saying you're a moderator while you violate the rules without being given vacations that I and others have received. I wonder how different things would be if Dave didn't own all his spots.

* Speed UTVs are not in production; Polaris and CanAm cars are (many different models)
* Speed has never sold a production vehicle; Polaris and CanAm has and does every day

Bigger businesses than Speed UTV have crashed and burned. Speed and the spot holders are lucky you're supporting the value of spots in a line up all while many are giving up as the hype and hope fade.
 

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Here's a clue: This thread jumped the shark long ago. It isn't about the Speed Car; you've made this thread all about YOU. You're the ringmaster of this Speed UTV circus because you've designated yourself as the primary defender of a product that is not available.

You ignore the facts to defend the product in what seems to be a desperate attempt to prop up the value of SPOTS in LINE.

Cars are NOT BEING SOLD FOR A PROFIT - SPOTS ARE and that's speculative selling based on a perceived value. And if and when that perceived value crashes like a deflated blimp, the last ones holding spots in line will be the biggest losers.

I hope that doesn't happen meanwhile you've made yourself the star attraction - ignoring facts, insulting anyone and everyone you don't agree with. It must be nice saying you're a moderator while you violate the rules without being given vacations that I and others have received. I wonder how different things would be if Dave didn't own all his spots.

* Speed UTVs are not in production; Polaris and CanAm cars are (many different models)
* Speed has never sold a production vehicle; Polaris and CanAm has and does every day

Bigger businesses than Speed UTV have crashed and burned. Speed and the spot holders are lucky you're supporting the value of spots in a line up all while many are giving up as the hype and hope fade.
So if in 6 months these unit start getting delivered then what? All the nay sayers will start in on bashing the inevitable “they are gonna fall apart.”

6 months from then if they actually work then what? “RG is a dick and I heard he kicks his dog?”

It’s always easy to take jabs at the people who take risks. If anyone in this thread has taken on a 10s of million dollar venture I’d love to hear their perspective 😁
 

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So if in 6 months these unit start getting delivered then what? All the nay sayers will start in on bashing the inevitable “they are gonna fall apart.”

6 months from then if they actually work then what? “RG is a dick and I heard he kicks his dog?”

It’s always easy to take jabs at the people who take risks. If anyone in this thread has taken on a 10s of million dollar venture I’d love to hear their perspective 😁

If in X months these start getting delivered then I will be happy for the owners and I'll read about the good and the bad. If/when the Speed UTV hits the market it'll be good for everyone interested in off roading.
 

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i saw a pig flying on a unicorn the other day. Santa went the other way lol. i blinked twice to make sure it is real
 

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It is a startup, you don't have one on order, your opinion does not matter. Why do you care if they are sold yet or not?
Shitty welds on Polaris and Cam Am too
There are no rumors of "engine development issues" other than uninformed people in this thread who know nothing on the subject.
No one has beat anyone, you can't buy a new RZR and won't be able to for months.
They didn't race any Speed UTVs at the mint. A Wildcat XX prepped by Speed broke.
No one was DQd for cheating while racing a Speed UTV.

Try harder next time and don't lap up the vomit of others.
I never said development issue. They are making ‘changes’ . Right out of big nuts mouth.

You only change when something isn’t correct during development. Clear as mud
 

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The people Hating on these cars and the people that own spots are awesome.. lol

Ya know Robby’s doing something right for sure when you read these comments. 🤪

I can’t believe how emotionally invested some people are on this thread when they have zero dollars down on the product..
 

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Here's a clue: This thread jumped the shark long ago. It isn't about the Speed Car; you've made this thread all about YOU. You're the ringmaster of this Speed UTV circus because you've designated yourself as the primary defender of a product that is not available.

You ignore the facts to defend the product in what seems to be a desperate attempt to prop up the value of SPOTS in LINE.

Cars are NOT BEING SOLD FOR A PROFIT - SPOTS ARE and that's speculative selling based on a perceived value. And if and when that perceived value crashes like a deflated blimp, the last ones holding spots in line will be the biggest losers.

I hope that doesn't happen meanwhile you've made yourself the star attraction - ignoring facts, insulting anyone and everyone you don't agree with. It must be nice saying you're a moderator while you violate the rules without being given vacations that I and others have received. I wonder how different things would be if Dave didn't own all his spots.

* Speed UTVs are not in production; Polaris and CanAm cars are (many different models)
* Speed has never sold a production vehicle; Polaris and CanAm has and does every day

Bigger businesses than Speed UTV have crashed and burned. Speed and the spot holders are lucky you're supporting the value of spots in a line up all while many are giving up as the hype and hope fade.

First of all weren't you banned before? Didn't you have a different screen name? It is a gift of Dave's compassion you are even still here I would say, so perhaps you shouldn't go stamping your feat about the rules since you are in violation of them now and have been before. If I am in error with regards to your previous screen name and subsequent past termination from the site, I apologize.

If the thread has jumped the shark why do you keep coming back and responding?

You and the others have made it about me, there are pages of personal insults against me, my family, and my other hobbies.. all for saying "Hey I think this will be cool, and here is what they are saying this week". If you want to dish it out, I'm going to serve it back.

I'll ask you the $1M question again, that you never seem to answer - Why do you care what anyone else does with their money? Should I take it as a compliment that you are so worried about my finances, or should I be concerned that you track my posts in this thread? I will say your whiny negative posts reek of hatred and jealousy, other members see it and It isn't a good look. However I'll keep going back and forth with you until these things come out. It is laughable that you and the others keep coming in there day after day trying to dissect everything everyone says and try to tell us new ways this is all going to fail, and then complain the thread "has jumped the shark". The only thing that has "jumped the shark" is you.

I love the friendly ribbing about this situation that most of the other members seem to be capable of dishing out and taking. Yea of course I wish I had the car already, and sure there may be rack storage in Havasu before I get it. Whatever, it is all in good fun. But whatever it is you and the rest of the circle jerk do day after day, post after post comes off as odd at best, considering you have 0 real information, and 0 to add aside from regurgitating the same crap in and out of each others mouths and liking each others posts.

If I can offer you an olive branch of advice - For gods sake lighten up. You don't have one on order, what they hell are you worried about? If you don't like UTVs, don't buy one, stay in your jeep. If you don't like California, stay in your own state, although you seem to have layed off those threads a bit thankfully.

Speed is a startup, obviously they don't have a history of delivering UTV. Bigger business have crashed and burned, smaller ones have succeeded. What is your point? Why would I care what you have to say about it, you know less "facts" about the product and business than anyone that actually has a car on order and gets updates. We all knew the risks going in to order a car, I've outlined them for months. If I or any of us should care what you have to say, you have done a piss poor job selling it to us, because you've convinced no one except your 5 other UTV haters who like each others posts.

As for people trading spots, why do you care if people sell spots and who cares what the spots sell for? I have a secret to tell you... everything is speculative selling based on perceived value. Ever bought a car at a dealer, or a house, or most any bigger ticket or used item and shopped around and/or negotiated for it? Everything has a value that fluctuates based on market conditions.

In closing, we are all grown boys, we knew the risks going into this deal. If we want out we can easily get out. The cars will come when they are ready. If that is in 1, 2, 3, 6, or 12 months, whatever. If we are all telling you we don't care and really aren't that worried, why is it that you care so much and are so worried sitting over there in your Jeep?
 

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Hey guys, was thinking on picking up one of these for Christmas, if I have it shipped do you think it will get here ontime or should I plan in picking it up at the will call counter?

Thanks
 

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There’s some classic hypocrisy. “Brain not found” and “lapping up vomit”. I gotta hand it to you, Broseph. You have the quick wittedness of a rusty boat anchor.

Maybe you should go find a fire hydrant :)
 

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The people Hating on these cars and the people that own spots are awesome.. lol

Ya know Robby’s doing something right for sure when you read these comments. 🤪

I can’t believe how emotionally invested some people are on this thread when they have zero dollars down on the product..

It really is a spectacle.
 

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I never said development issue. They are making ‘changes’ . Right out of big nuts mouth.

You only change when something isn’t correct during development. Clear as mud

And you said that was "last week" and it was a change they talked about 3 months ago.
 

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The people Hating on these cars and the people that own spots are awesome.. lol

Ya know Robby’s doing something right for sure when you read these comments. 🤪

I can’t believe how emotionally invested some people are on this thread when they have zero dollars down on the product..


Lol.


That’s like a girl that gets beat by her abusive husband. She thinks he is great because she is emotionally invested in the asshole. Everyone and their dog can see he is a piece of shit





People who bought spots are the girl.
 

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Lol.


That’s like a girl that gets beat by her abusive husband. She thinks he is great because she is emotionally invested in the asshole. Everyone and their dog can see he is a piece of shit





People who bought spots are the girl.
That makes you the abusive husbands gay bottom lover then.

Still gay but completely out of the loop.
 

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First of all weren't you banned before? Didn't you have a different screen name? It is a gift of Dave's compassion you are even still here I would say, so perhaps you shouldn't go stamping your feat about the rules since you are in violation of them now and have been before. If I am in error with regards to your previous screen name and subsequent past termination from the site, I apologize.

If the thread has jumped the shark why do you keep coming back and responding?

You and the others have made it about me, there are pages of personal insults against me, my family, and my other hobbies.. all for saying "Hey I think this will be cool, and here is what they are saying this week". If you want to dish it out, I'm going to serve it back.

I'll ask you the $1M question again, that you never seem to answer - Why do you care what anyone else does with their money? Should I take it as a compliment that you are so worried about my finances, or should I be concerned that you track my posts in this thread? I will say your whiny negative posts reek of hatred and jealousy, other members see it and It isn't a good look. However I'll keep going back and forth with you until these things come out. It is laughable that you and the others keep coming in there day after day trying to dissect everything everyone says and try to tell us new ways this is all going to fail, and then complain the thread "has jumped the shark". The only thing that has "jumped the shark" is you.

I love the friendly ribbing about this situation that most of the other members seem to be capable of dishing out and taking. Yea of course I wish I had the car already, and sure there may be rack storage in Havasu before I get it. Whatever, it is all in good fun. But whatever it is you and the rest of the circle jerk do day after day, post after post comes off as odd at best, considering you have 0 real information, and 0 to add aside from regurgitating the same crap in and out of each others mouths and liking each others posts.

If I can offer you an olive branch of advice - For gods sake lighten up. You don't have one on order, what they hell are you worried about? If you don't like UTVs, don't buy one, stay in your jeep. If you don't like California, stay in your own state, although you seem to have layed off those threads a bit thankfully.

Speed is a startup, obviously they don't have a history of delivering UTV. Bigger business have crashed and burned, smaller ones have succeeded. What is your point? Why would I care what you have to say about it, you know less "facts" about the product and business than anyone that actually has a car on order and gets updates. We all knew the risks going in to order a car, I've outlined them for months. If I or any of us should care what you have to say, you have done a piss poor job selling it to us, because you've convinced no one except your 5 other UTV haters who like each others posts.

As for people trading spots, why do you care if people sell spots and who cares what the spots sell for? I have a secret to tell you... everything is speculative selling based on perceived value. Ever bought a car at a dealer, or a house, or most any bigger ticket or used item and shopped around and/or negotiated for it? Everything has a value that fluctuates based on market conditions.

In closing, we are all grown boys, we knew the risks going into this deal. If we want out we can easily get out. The cars will come when they are ready. If that is in 1, 2, 3, 6, or 12 months, whatever. If we are all telling you we don't care and really aren't that worried, why is it that you care so much and are so worried sitting over there in your Jeep?

I’m now completely convinced LOF would defend the hiring of Alec Baldwin as his personal firearm trainer, if it happened to fit his narrative.
 

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I’m now completely convinced LOF would defend the hiring of Alec Baldwin as his personal firearm trainer, if it happened to fit his narrative.

I see you are still jerkin in the circle :)

And can't answer any of my questions...
 

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The people Hating on these cars and the people that own spots are awesome.. lol

Ya know Robby’s doing something right for sure when you read these comments. 🤪

I can’t believe how emotionally invested some people are on this thread when they have zero dollars down on the product..

Not hating Dave. I'm an avid off roader (not a SxS'er because I don't want to eat dust for fun) and I've been in business a long time. I, you and many others have seen thousands of startups with all kinds of outcomes and - I've said this many times already - I hope these cars are delivered and soon. But there are a number of things that get attention on the pages here including people buying and selling spots in a line, delays, lack of information, and one spot owner who is keeping this thread going almost single handedly as he responds to posters who aren't drinking the Orange Kool Aid.

I'm not "emotionally invested" in this but I will say, how many threads are on RDP where people appear to be "emotionally invested" in a subject that they may know very little about and/or they don't own the product? How many people don't care for Blackstone Griddles or have bought a different one? The difference here is that there's a lot invested in this product and there's financial and emotional risk involved and until they're delivered that will continue. And that's why this issue seems to be so contentious - because those who've taken the financial risk are seeing this thread continue on and on which doesn't make anyone feel better about if or when the cars will be delivered.
First of all weren't you banned before? Didn't you have a different screen name? It is a gift of Dave's compassion you are even still here I would say, so perhaps you shouldn't go stamping your feat about the rules since you are in violation of them now and have been before. If I am in error with regards to your previous screen name and subsequent past termination from the site, I apologize.

If the thread has jumped the shark why do you keep coming back and responding?

You and the others have made it about me, there are pages of personal insults against me, my family, and my other hobbies.. all for saying "Hey I think this will be cool, and here is what they are saying this week". If you want to dish it out, I'm going to serve it back.

I'll ask you the $1M question again, that you never seem to answer - Why do you care what anyone else does with their money? Should I take it as a compliment that you are so worried about my finances, or should I be concerned that you track my posts in this thread? I will say your whiny negative posts reek of hatred and jealousy, other members see it and It isn't a good look. However I'll keep going back and forth with you until these things come out. It is laughable that you and the others keep coming in there day after day trying to dissect everything everyone says and try to tell us new ways this is all going to fail, and then complain the thread "has jumped the shark". The only thing that has "jumped the shark" is you.

I love the friendly ribbing about this situation that most of the other members seem to be capable of dishing out and taking. Yea of course I wish I had the car already, and sure there may be rack storage in Havasu before I get it. Whatever, it is all in good fun. But whatever it is you and the rest of the circle jerk do day after day, post after post comes off as odd at best, considering you have 0 real information, and 0 to add aside from regurgitating the same crap in and out of each others mouths and liking each others posts.

If I can offer you an olive branch of advice - For gods sake lighten up. You don't have one on order, what they hell are you worried about? If you don't like UTVs, don't buy one, stay in your jeep. If you don't like California, stay in your own state, although you seem to have layed off those threads a bit thankfully.

Speed is a startup, obviously they don't have a history of delivering UTV. Bigger business have crashed and burned, smaller ones have succeeded. What is your point? Why would I care what you have to say about it, you know less "facts" about the product and business than anyone that actually has a car on order and gets updates. We all knew the risks going in to order a car, I've outlined them for months. If I or any of us should care what you have to say, you have done a piss poor job selling it to us, because you've convinced no one except your 5 other UTV haters who like each others posts.

As for people trading spots, why do you care if people sell spots and who cares what the spots sell for? I have a secret to tell you... everything is speculative selling based on perceived value. Ever bought a car at a dealer, or a house, or most any bigger ticket or used item and shopped around and/or negotiated for it? Everything has a value that fluctuates based on market conditions.

In closing, we are all grown boys, we knew the risks going into this deal. If we want out we can easily get out. The cars will come when they are ready. If that is in 1, 2, 3, 6, or 12 months, whatever. If we are all telling you we don't care and really aren't that worried, why is it that you care so much and are so worried sitting over there in your Jeep?

If you do one thing today do this: Take your own advice and follow what you've suggested to me in your very defensive post above. And while you're doing it, keep you're insults to yourself. You're spending a lot of time dragging other posters down to your level and then beating us with insults. Not a good look especially for a moderator.

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The people Hating on these cars and the people that own spots are awesome.. lol

Ya know Robby’s doing something right for sure when you read these comments. 🤪

I can’t believe how emotionally invested some people are on this thread when they have zero dollars down on the product..
I don’t get it lol. I understand it less when you and LOF tell me you could be made whole in a day or two.

If any investment/business venture/etc was a guarantee everyone would do it. Those who take the risks either succeed or crash and burn. Wild that the majority of this board just wants to see flames.
 

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Show me where I ever said anything negative about these cars. I'll wait.
 

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In Speeds defense they weren’t treed by Polaris. It was either 3, maybe 4 years ago, we saw the Pro R being tested in Havasu. They’ve been at it daily/weekly ever since. It was a year ago that we spotted two Pro R’s in a group of 4 RZR’s the Polaris team was testing and that’s when we heard one of them shifting.

Speed has come a long ways in a short amount of time. From conception to production pretty damn rapidly and that’s if Speed doesn’t produce a car until end of next year.

I’ve got no dog in this fight and don’t have a Speed car on order. I can tell you that the Speed car is far beyond anything Polaris and I’m a huge Polaris RZR fan.
 

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Not hating Dave. I'm an avid off roader (not a SxS'er because I don't want to eat dust for fun) and I've been in business a long time. I, you and many others have seen thousands of startups with all kinds of outcomes and - I've said this many times already - I hope these cars are delivered and soon. But there are a number of things that get attention on the pages here including people buying and selling spots in a line, delays, lack of information, and one spot owner who is keeping this thread going almost single handedly as he responds to posters who aren't drinking the Orange Kool Aid.

I'm not "emotionally invested" in this but I will say, how many threads are on RDP where people appear to be "emotionally invested" in a subject that they may know very little about and/or they don't own the product? How many people don't care for Blackstone Griddles or have bought a different one? The difference here is that there's a lot invested in this product and there's financial and emotional risk involved and until they're delivered that will continue. And that's why this issue seems to be so contentious - because those who've taken the financial risk are seeing this thread continue on and on which doesn't make anyone feel better about if or when the cars will be delivered.


If you do one thing today do this: Take your own advice and follow what you've suggested to me in your very defensive post above. And while you're doing it, keep you're insults to yourself. You're spending a lot of time dragging other posters down to your level and then beating us with insults. Not a good look especially for a moderator.

From the above... "...those who've taken the financial risk are seeing this thread continue on and on which doesn't make anyone feel better about if or when the cars will be delivered."

All of those that are financially invested seem to feel fine about the situation. We have all said so in this thread. Those that are tired of waiting have gotten out and been made whole or more than whole. All that is left is you and 5 other guys crying about me and everything I say. Why are you so worried about our financial and mental well being.. we have all said we are just fine... repeatedly.

I'm asking you again, why do you care, and why are you so deeply invested in the outcome of something you aren't involved with and have next to 0 knowledge about. After all that, then you try to gaslight everyone with "I hope these are delivered and soon".
 
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