2018 Ram 2500 or GM 2500HD

[stokerwhore]

3500 ram with an Aisin trans and forget about it. and leave the damned thing stock. doesn't need all that silly bullshit. .02

 

[boatpi]

Someone mentioned fuel economy so here's my experience F250, 3.55 electronic locking axle.
My 2006 used a 3.73 axle the very expensive salesman told me to go with this axle and most of the trucks on the lot had it as an option he was 100% correct .

Flatland freeway 65 to 70 mph, 19-22 mpg
Towing flatland freeway 26 foot box trailer total weight just under 7000 pounds, 13.5 mpg.

Driving to Vegas I 15 Entire Way unloaded , 70-75 mph, 17-18.5 mpg.

Driving to Vegas pulling the trailer mentioned above and have a large flat front so boat trailer should get you a little better if you look on the battalion doesn't change much in miles per gallon, 13 mpg.

I tow at about 65 mph.

 

[Cdog]

I would not buy a Fiat truck

Fix it again Tony!

 

[CLdrinker]

What do you guys think of the f250 6.2 gas? I will only drive it 5,000 miles per year and tow less than 8,000lbs.

I can’t see how to justify the extra money for the diesel for my use.

Currently have ram 1500 5.7.

 

[Runs2rch]

Ram owners what are you guys seeing for average mileage?

 

[JD D05]

Ram owners what are you guys seeing for average mileage?

Oh god

 

[Boat 405]

Freeway driving 75 mph empty 19-21
Towing to river with 25 daytona behind 14-15
Heavy tow 26' enclosed trailer 10-12

 

[NicPaus]

What do you guys think of the f250 6.2 gas? I will only drive it 5,000 miles per year and tow less than 8,000lbs.

I can’t see how to justify the extra money for the diesel for my use.

Currently have ram 1500 5.7.

What do you guys think of the f250 6.2 gas? I will only drive it 5,000 miles per year and tow less than 8,000lbs.

I can’t see how to justify the extra money for the diesel for my use.

Currently have ram 1500 5.7.

Friend has a few I would buy 1 before a ford Diesel. 12-14 On highway 10 around town.

 

[Runs2rch]

Oh god

Have owned a few Duramax's. I know what real world is, just wanted to get an idea on the 6.7.

 

[JD D05]

Have owned a few Duramax's. I know what real world is, just wanted to get an idea on the 6.7.

Ya i hear ya. I just don't think many people are capable of being honest. I would tell you what a deleted 6.7 gets but I have never checked and never will.

 

[Runs2rch]

Ya i hear ya. I just don't think many people are capable of being honest. I would tell you what a deleted 6.7 gets but I have never checked and never will.

Hahaha 30 mpg's!!!! Pulling a 30 percent grade going 116 with my 388 while the wife is feeding the wolves in the back seat!!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hahaha 30 mpg's!!!! Pulling a 30 percent grade going 116 with my 388 while the wife is feeding the wolves in the back seat!!!

You forgot to wear your life jackets while towing...

 

[CLdrinker]

Friend has a few I would buy 1 before a ford Diesel. 12-14 On highway 10 around town.

Reliable?

 

[Cdog]

Oh god

HAHA!

Is it just me or is that a loaded question? No offense to all the ram guys here but I’ve heard unbelievable loads of heaping bull shit coming from dodge guys when talking about their MPG and the always funny “I dont even know its back there” when talking about towing their 40 foot + trailer.

 

[JD D05]

HAHA!

Is it just me or is that a loaded question? No offense to all the ram guys here but I’ve heard unbelievable loads of heaping bull shit coming from dodge guys when talking about their MPG and the always funny “I dont even know its back there” when talking about towing their 40 foot + trailer.

Yep lol. You hear that stuff from all the owners but Dodge seems to be a little worse. The aftermarket world is the worst, "my neighbors truck has everything done to it man" I can't even argue anymore it is just pointless.

 

[94essex]

If i run 70-75 unloaded i get 19-21
Pullining 21 foot boat from kingman to temple bar flat ground at 65 its about 15.
Pulling older 33ft thor toy hauler with fuel and water 10-11. Mine is manual g56 tranny not a famcy laramie. Cant afford that yet!

 

[stokerwhore]

Ram owners what are you guys seeing for average mileage?

-daily driver 16 mpg. 30 mile (each way)commute to work=78.5mph, home=20mph avg./traffic
-towing the boat. no real difference lighter 22' i/o
-towing 35' fifth wheel 9-10mpg if I'm being sane. over 65mph milage falls off big time. doesn't pay to haul ass due to extra fuel stops. so 65 it is. now if I had a bigger tank....

 

[stokerwhore]

You forgot to wear your life jackets while towing...

what about lanyards?

 

[Universal Elements]

what about lanyards?

Optional if boat is over 26 feet long

 

[Blackmagic94]

What do you guys think of the f250 6.2 gas? I will only drive it 5,000 miles per year and tow less than 8,000lbs.

I can’t see how to justify the extra money for the diesel for my use.

Currently have ram 1500 5.7.

The ram 2500 6.4 is the most powerful gasser, tows the most of a gasser and gets the best fuel Econ. At 65 on cruise I get 20-21 mpg. At 75 I get 18-19 and at 85 I get 16-17 unloaded.

 

[Runs2rch]

The other thing I am noticing with the Ram's in stock at dealers is most don't have a limited slip.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Get the 4.10s if you get the 6.4 hemi it gets better mpg then the 3.73 as it has less load on it to go into 4 banger mode more often which is where the great mpg happens at.


With the cigarette at 13k on the trailer I get 10.5-11.5 towing since it’s mostly flat from Tucson to havasu.

 

[JD D05]

The other thing I am noticing with the Ram's in stock at dealers is most don't have a limited slip.

Go close a door on a Ram than go close a door on a Ford... Back when Ford had the 6.0 and the 6.4 it was a no brainer Dodge buy. But now with the 6.7 it is even in the motor dept.

 

[Bowtiepower00]

16 2500 Cummins here. If I could do it over I would have ordered a 3500 Mega with the Aisin trans and HO engine. I do not like the coil rear end. I did install a set of Timbrens which made a significant improvement while towing.

That being said, the Ford is the nicest of the 3, but I don't see them being discounted nearly as much as the other 2. Both the GM and Ram will be getting a full redesign for '20.

For mileage I get 14-ish in Phoenix metro driving, and 18-ish Interstate at 80, up to low 20's at 55.

Towing my 7500lb 20' toyhauler I see as low as 6 running 75-77 with a headwind, but usually around 8 at 75 and up to 10 on flat ground at 55-60. The mileage has improved some now that the motor has 30k on it, it was 1-2 mpg worse prior.

 

[CLdrinker]

The ram 2500 6.4 is the most powerful gasser, tows the most of a gasser and gets the best fuel Econ. At 65 on cruise I get 20-21 mpg. At 75 I get 18-19 and at 85 I get 16-17 unloaded.

You are right. But look up exhaust manifold bolts Ram Hemi. For that reason alone I will never buy another Hemi powered vehicle Again.

 

[Runs2rch]

Go close a door on a Ram than go close a door on a Ford... Back when Ford had the 6.0 and the 6.4 it was a no brainer Dodge buy. But now with the 6.7 it is even in the motor dept.

The Ford is sweet for sure.

 

[Blackmagic94]

You are right. But look up exhaust manifold bolts Ram Hemi. For that reason alone I will never buy another Hemi powered vehicle for that alone.

5.7l hemi issue not 6.4

 

[JD D05]

The Ford is sweet for sure.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.

 

[CLdrinker]

5.7l hemi issue not 6.4

6.4’s have it as well. Just not as rampant.
When the dealer admits it’s a known issue and tells me to fuck off and to sell my truck if I want it fixed permanently.
Last thing I’m going to do is go buy another truck from them, let alone another one that might have the same issue.

 

[Blackmagic94]

6.4’s have it as well. Just not as rampant.
When the dealer admits it’s a known issue and tells me to fuck off and to sell my truck if I want it fixed permanently.
Last thing I’m going to do is go buy another truck from them, let alone another one that might have the same issue.

81k so far. Only issue was the converter lock up was not locking all the time on the freeway last week. Dealer installed a new unit and good to go.

 

[CLdrinker]

81k so far. Only issue was the converter lock up was not locking all the time on the freeway last week. Dealer installed a new unit and good to go.

Glad it’s working out for you.

But answer me this, what would you do if the dealer said they know your converter is a POS and it’s always going to fail.
If you can’t live with it get rid of the truck?

Then what?

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

I really want to like the Ram Ecodiesel.

But putting a European Diesel engine into an American truck...what could possibly go wrong?


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I loved the truck, 27 mpg was awesome, but I have a hard time with a new $50,000 truck being in the shop constantly, and then RAM not backing up the motor. The ECODIESEL powertrain warranty is written much differently then the Cummins warranty, lots of loopholes and exclusions. The dealer basically said both issues would have been covered on the Cummins warranty but not on the ECO warranty. Its as if they knew the engine was going to be problematic. My cost on the repairs was close to $5000.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Rumor is they will get rid of the EGR on the Cummins.


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If they can get rid of EGR they will kill market share, so many people hate the DEF thing.

 

[Cdog]

I’ve driven and towed with all 3 for 1,000’s of miles and can give a decent review on it.

Ram 1 ton CC 4x4 dually 2013. All stock. Impressive torque. Towed a 52ft race car trailer with living quarters from Dallas to Road Atlanta and back, Dallas to Austin and back, Dallas to Collage station and back, & Dallas to Indianapolis and back for SCCA racing. Power was never the problem with this truck even thought it went through two ASIN transmissions before it had 10k miles on it. The brakes sucked and there was a towing module brake issue where it would lose contact ofter and beep like your fries were done. Drive a man fucking crazy when driving over 1k miles in a day to get to the race track. Also had issues with leaking radiators. Never left us stranded though. Compared to the Allison I think the trans shifted like a school bus. This truck has the Laramie pkg with every option. Looked & towed great but there was a sense the little things on this truck would fall apart and leave you stranded sooner or later. Truck only had 70k miles or so last fall. Always towed with it and go 9-10 mpg.

Ford F250 CC 4x4 SRW 2015. All stock. Beautiful truck with the platinum pkg. Drives awesome. Tows a 45ft gooseneck race trailer. My favorite tow vehicle outside of mine. Only issue is the small fuel tank. We raced July 7-9th in High plains Colorado. With a headwind we were getting 9 mpg and were lucky to get 200 miles per tank of diesel. Love this truck but still not sure if I could own a ford due to its reputation on diesels. Feels like a big heavy truck but steers and drive well around town. Still see more Ford diesels on the side of the road than I do anything else. Right now Ford has the best looking truck outside and in. If they’d offer a 200k mile 10 year warranty I’d probably roll the dice and buy one.

My 2006 Duramax. CC 4x4 2500. Some mods. EGR blocker, Edge EVo Race, 55 gallon titan tank etc.. I have to say my truck always impresses me. I have a 36 ft edge gooseneck and a 5th wheel 38 ft Genesis toy hauler and it pulls like a hungry bitch. In the last 12 months I have put her though the ringer running full loads of heavy shop equipment from Orange Co to Scottsdale 4X's, Scottsdale to Wilcox/race track 3x's, Scottsdale to Flagstaff, Scottsdale to Buttonwillow, Scottsdale to Silver Strand San Diego & Scottsdale to Newport beach. All this with 190k + miles on the truck. East on the 8 from San Diego is a true test to a truck in my opinion. Its a serious beating on your truck with what seems like a never ending grade. I tow on tow mode/locked converter and tap shift my truck. Towing is a momentum game so there are times where I’m hitting 75 mph at the bottom of the hill to gain speed to get up the hill. On that trip I did see two newer fords with the hood up on the side of the road as I trucked on by. I gained a whole new level of respect for my truck after that trip and decided to just keep it in tow mode (level 2) for now on Instead of level 4 on the programer. Towing it gets 9-11 mpg. I tow around 70-80 mph. Its what the truck likes. Not towing I get 16-18 mpg hwy going 80 + ish mph. My truck has needed new front hubs, two hydro boosts, upper ball joints, pitman arms and typical stuff. I had to replace the rear end due to a plug weld popping on the axle tube to cast housing. Thats a vendor part. American Axle (Same company that makes Dodges) so cant really blame GM. GM stepped up at 112k miles and covered the parts. I paid for labor and got a new rear axle. The only time I was stranded was at the Laguna Hills Costco when the steering pitman arm joint broke in 2017. 1.5 mile tow and fixed it myself in the driveway. Never a mechanical failure IE drive train.

I personally think GM got it right with the duramax just as cummins built their engine right. Over the years they have refined it and made it better and even more reliable. Ford has been through what like 4 completely different engines since the late 90’s? Typical of Fords engineering process though. They all seem to have their fail points however. I’ve seen how stupid guys drive their trucks and it’s no wonder when some have some kind of catastrophic failure. I race cars and perhaps look at different things when considering a vehicle. I prefer to have a tight suspension to feel the road, tight fast shifting and a power band that I can control with shifts and throttle. After driving all three I can say the GM Duramax/Allison combo offers the best of those worlds. Its even referenced in the 2018 test posted earlier in this thread. For whatever reason GM underrated their chassis and doesn’t have as high of a tow rating as the fords and Rams. This is a mistake on their behalf and had driven people to the other two for liability reasons alone.

All that said 70k for a new truck is fucking nuts so buy what you like and make sure you have the longest warranty you can buy for it. Keep it for 10 years and you’ll get your money out of it if it stays running.

The 2020’s are new for all 3. They now have crazy tuned power stock. I’d like to see 500 hp and 1000 lbtq with a warranty and a hidden piss tank on the GM trucks. I did have a beer with a global director at Allison while at Indy who informed me of the Allison 9 speed for the 2020 trucks. I think that’s what I’ve been waiting on for an upgrade.

Cheers!

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

The piss tank hanging down on the GM's just annoys me, it as though it was an afterthought, shit we forgot to engineer in the tank.

On my new Ram I added a 60 gallon transfer tank in the back from KSH in Havasu that feeds in to the main tank with the flick of a switch in the cab. Takes my range to about 1300 miles now, meaning I only buy diesel in Arizona, saves me close to 75 cents a gallon, pays for the tank in no time.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I wouldn’t do either. Go with the ford!

 

[94essex]

I have to say my father in law and his friend both tow heavy one has a welding and fab shop one runs a rebel oil company both have 08 duramaxs. One has 200k the rebel truck 290 with no major issues. Maybe both have gotteb lucky but those numbers are hard to deny

 

[Cdog]

The piss tank hanging down on the GM's just annoys me, it as though it was an afterthought, shit we forgot to engineer in the tank.

On my new Ram I added a 60 gallon transfer tank in the back from KSH in Havasu that feeds in to the main tank with the flick of a switch in the cab. Takes my range to about 1300 miles now, meaning I only buy diesel in Arizona, saves me close to 75 cents a gallon, pays for the tank in no time.

I fill up in AZ at the Chevron just east of the border on the N side of the 10. Top it off with 55 gallons. They also have an awesome walk in humidor full of cigars at that station. I can make it to LA and OC running around for a couple of days then back to the same station on one tank.

 

[HavaToon]

Ford F250 CC 4x4 SRW 2015. All stock. Beautiful truck with the platinum pkg. Drives awesome. Tows a 45ft gooseneck race trailer. My favorite tow vehicle outside of mine. Only issue is the small fuel tank. We raced July 7-9th in High plains Colorado. With a headwind we were getting 9 mpg and were lucky to get 200 miles per tank of diesel. Love this truck but still not sure if I could own a ford due to its reputation on diesels. Feels like a big heavy truck but steers and drive well around town. Still see more Ford diesels on the side of the road than I do anything else. Right now Ford has the best looking truck outside and in. If they’d offer a 200k mile 10 year warranty I’d probably roll the dice and buy one.

I purchased a 2018 F350 Platinum almost two months ago with 150k 8 year warranty and prepaid service. That is the absolute most they offer.

My BIL has a 2016 Ram 2500 and my dad has a 2016 GMC 3500, the F350 absolutely out preforms both trucks in all aspects. With the exception of price tag and the dodge is beating me on MPG by 2 but it is also the oldest with most miles. I only have 1700 miles.




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[69hondo]

All that said 70k for a new truck is fucking nuts

This is my biggest problem with new trucks! Crazy money.

 

[CLdrinker]

I purchased a 2018 F350 Platinum almost two months ago with 150k 8 year warranty and prepaid service. That is the absolute most they offer.

My BIL has a 2016 Ram 2500 and my dad has a 2016 GMC 3500, the F350 absolutely out preforms both trucks in all aspects. With the exception of price tag and the dodge is beating me on MPG by 2 but it is also the oldest with most miles. I only have 1700 miles.




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Was your warranty extra? If so how much?

 

[Cdog]

I purchased a 2018 F350 Platinum almost two months ago with 150k 8 year warranty and prepaid service. That is the absolute most they offer.

My BIL has a 2016 Ram 2500 and my dad has a 2016 GMC 3500, the F350 absolutely out preforms both trucks in all aspects. With the exception of price tag and the dodge is beating me on MPG by 2 but it is also the oldest with most miles. I only have 1700 miles.




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Awesome truck no doubt! I like the warranty too.

I believe it. Wonder how it would compare up against the 17/18 engine revision in the GM’s? They are about equal in power now but tests show the GM pulls better in real world tests.

 

[Cdog]

This is my biggest problem with new trucks! Crazy money.

If you keep it for 10 years it’s worth it. I guess.....lol

 

[Blackmagic94]

Glad it’s working out for you.

But answer me this, what would you do if the dealer said they know your converter is a POS and it’s always going to fail.
If you can’t live with it get rid of the truck?

Then what?

Lol I use to work at dealerships. They are far from god on the answer. That is a stupid comment end of story.

 

[Blackmagic94]

My gas ram has a “max care” factory extended warranty


Unlimited mileage
Unlimited time

It’s badass. You cannot get it on the diesels

 

[CLdrinker]

Lol I use to work at dealerships. They are far from god on the answer. That is a stupid comment end of story.

My comment is stupid?

 

[Cdog]

My gas ram has a “max care” factory extended warranty


Unlimited mileage
Unlimited time

It’s badass. You cannot get it on the diesels

Which is interesting because I always say when was the last time you’ve seen a 10 year old dodge on the road without a Cummins in it?

Time will tell.

 

[Yellowboat]

If you keep it for 10 years it’s worth it. I guess.....lol

That's 10,000 plus a year no it's not.

 

[JD D05]

I’ve driven and towed with all 3 for 1,000’s of miles and can give a decent review on it.

Ram 1 ton CC 4x4 dually 2013. All stock. Impressive torque. Towed a 52ft race car trailer with living quarters from Dallas to Road Atlanta and back, Dallas to Austin and back, Dallas to Collage station and back, & Dallas to Indianapolis and back for SCCA racing. Power was never the problem with this truck even thought it went through two ASIN transmissions before it had 10k miles on it. The brakes sucked and there was a towing module brake issue where it would lose contact ofter and beep like your fries were done. Drive a man fucking crazy when driving over 1k miles in a day to get to the race track. Also had issues with leaking radiators. Never left us stranded though. Compared to the Allison I think the trans shifted like a school bus. This truck has the Laramie pkg with every option. Looked & towed great but there was a sense the little things on this truck would fall apart and leave you stranded sooner or later. Truck only had 70k miles or so last fall. Always towed with it and go 9-10 mpg.

Ford F250 CC 4x4 SRW 2015. All stock. Beautiful truck with the platinum pkg. Drives awesome. Tows a 45ft gooseneck race trailer. My favorite tow vehicle outside of mine. Only issue is the small fuel tank. We raced July 7-9th in High plains Colorado. With a headwind we were getting 9 mpg and were lucky to get 200 miles per tank of diesel. Love this truck but still not sure if I could own a ford due to its reputation on diesels. Feels like a big heavy truck but steers and drive well around town. Still see more Ford diesels on the side of the road than I do anything else. Right now Ford has the best looking truck outside and in. If they’d offer a 200k mile 10 year warranty I’d probably roll the dice and buy one.

My 2006 Duramax. CC 4x4 2500. Some mods. EGR blocker, Edge EVo Race, 55 gallon titan tank etc.. I have to say my truck always impresses me. I have a 36 ft edge gooseneck and a 5th wheel 38 ft Genesis toy hauler and it pulls like a hungry bitch. In the last 12 months I have put her though the ringer running full loads of heavy shop equipment from Orange Co to Scottsdale 4X's, Scottsdale to Wilcox/race track 3x's, Scottsdale to Flagstaff, Scottsdale to Buttonwillow, Scottsdale to Silver Strand San Diego & Scottsdale to Newport beach. All this with 190k + miles on the truck. East on the 8 from San Diego is a true test to a truck in my opinion. Its a serious beating on your truck with what seems like a never ending grade. I tow on tow mode/locked converter and tap shift my truck. Towing is a momentum game so there are times where I’m hitting 75 mph at the bottom of the hill to gain speed to get up the hill. On that trip I did see two newer fords with the hood up on the side of the road as I trucked on by. I gained a whole new level of respect for my truck after that trip and decided to just keep it in tow mode (level 2) for now on Instead of level 4 on the programer. Towing it gets 9-11 mpg. I tow around 70-80 mph. Its what the truck likes. Not towing I get 16-18 mpg hwy going 80 + ish mph. My truck has needed new front hubs, two hydro boosts, upper ball joints, pitman arms and typical stuff. I had to replace the rear end due to a plug weld popping on the axle tube to cast housing. Thats a vendor part. American Axle (Same company that makes Dodges) so cant really blame GM. GM stepped up at 112k miles and covered the parts. I paid for labor and got a new rear axle. The only time I was stranded was at the Laguna Hills Costco when the steering pitman arm joint broke in 2017. 1.5 mile tow and fixed it myself in the driveway. Never a mechanical failure IE drive train.

I personally think GM got it right with the duramax just as cummins built their engine right. Over the years they have refined it and made it better and even more reliable. Ford has been through what like 4 completely different engines since the late 90’s? Typical of Fords engineering process though. They all seem to have their fail points however. I’ve seen how stupid guys drive their trucks and it’s no wonder when some have some kind of catastrophic failure. I race cars and perhaps look at different things when considering a vehicle. I prefer to have a tight suspension to feel the road, tight fast shifting and a power band that I can control with shifts and throttle. After driving all three I can say the GM Duramax/Allison combo offers the best of those worlds. Its even referenced in the 2018 test posted earlier in this thread. For whatever reason GM underrated their chassis and doesn’t have as high of a tow rating as the fords and Rams. This is a mistake on their behalf and had driven people to the other tow for liability reasons alone.

All that said 70k for a new truck is fucking nuts so buy what you like and make sure you have the longest warranty you can buy for it. Keep it for 10 years and you’ll get your money out of it if it stays running.

The 2020’s are new for all 3. They now have crazy tuned power stock. I’d like to see 500 hp and 1000 lbtq with a warranty and a hidden piss tank on the GM trucks. I did have a beer with a global director at Allison while at Indy who informed me of the Allison 9 speed for the 2020 trucks. I think that’s what I’ve been waiting on for an upgrade.

Cheers!

Damn good stuff.

I’ve driven and towed with all 3 for 1,000’s of miles and can give a decent review on it.

Ram 1 ton CC 4x4 dually 2013. All stock. Impressive torque. Towed a 52ft race car trailer with living quarters from Dallas to Road Atlanta and back, Dallas to Austin and back, Dallas to Collage station and back, & Dallas to Indianapolis and back for SCCA racing. Power was never the problem with this truck even thought it went through two ASIN transmissions before it had 10k miles on it. The brakes sucked and there was a towing module brake issue where it would lose contact ofter and beep like your fries were done. Drive a man fucking crazy when driving over 1k miles in a day to get to the race track. Also had issues with leaking radiators. Never left us stranded though. Compared to the Allison I think the trans shifted like a school bus. This truck has the Laramie pkg with every option. Looked & towed great but there was a sense the little things on this truck would fall apart and leave you stranded sooner or later. Truck only had 70k miles or so last fall. Always towed with it and go 9-10 mpg.

Ford F250 CC 4x4 SRW 2015. All stock. Beautiful truck with the platinum pkg. Drives awesome. Tows a 45ft gooseneck race trailer. My favorite tow vehicle outside of mine. Only issue is the small fuel tank. We raced July 7-9th in High plains Colorado. With a headwind we were getting 9 mpg and were lucky to get 200 miles per tank of diesel. Love this truck but still not sure if I could own a ford due to its reputation on diesels. Feels like a big heavy truck but steers and drive well around town. Still see more Ford diesels on the side of the road than I do anything else. Right now Ford has the best looking truck outside and in. If they’d offer a 200k mile 10 year warranty I’d probably roll the dice and buy one.

My 2006 Duramax. CC 4x4 2500. Some mods. EGR blocker, Edge EVo Race, 55 gallon titan tank etc.. I have to say my truck always impresses me. I have a 36 ft edge gooseneck and a 5th wheel 38 ft Genesis toy hauler and it pulls like a hungry bitch. In the last 12 months I have put her though the ringer running full loads of heavy shop equipment from Orange Co to Scottsdale 4X's, Scottsdale to Wilcox/race track 3x's, Scottsdale to Flagstaff, Scottsdale to Buttonwillow, Scottsdale to Silver Strand San Diego & Scottsdale to Newport beach. All this with 190k + miles on the truck. East on the 8 from San Diego is a true test to a truck in my opinion. Its a serious beating on your truck with what seems like a never ending grade. I tow on tow mode/locked converter and tap shift my truck. Towing is a momentum game so there are times where I’m hitting 75 mph at the bottom of the hill to gain speed to get up the hill. On that trip I did see two newer fords with the hood up on the side of the road as I trucked on by. I gained a whole new level of respect for my truck after that trip and decided to just keep it in tow mode (level 2) for now on Instead of level 4 on the programer. Towing it gets 9-11 mpg. I tow around 70-80 mph. Its what the truck likes. Not towing I get 16-18 mpg hwy going 80 + ish mph. My truck has needed new front hubs, two hydro boosts, upper ball joints, pitman arms and typical stuff. I had to replace the rear end due to a plug weld popping on the axle tube to cast housing. Thats a vendor part. American Axle (Same company that makes Dodges) so cant really blame GM. GM stepped up at 112k miles and covered the parts. I paid for labor and got a new rear axle. The only time I was stranded was at the Laguna Hills Costco when the steering pitman arm joint broke in 2017. 1.5 mile tow and fixed it myself in the driveway. Never a mechanical failure IE drive train.

I personally think GM got it right with the duramax just as cummins built their engine right. Over the years they have refined it and made it better and even more reliable. Ford has been through what like 4 completely different engines since the late 90’s? Typical of Fords engineering process though. They all seem to have their fail points however. I’ve seen how stupid guys drive their trucks and it’s no wonder when some have some kind of catastrophic failure. I race cars and perhaps look at different things when considering a vehicle. I prefer to have a tight suspension to feel the road, tight fast shifting and a power band that I can control with shifts and throttle. After driving all three I can say the GM Duramax/Allison combo offers the best of those worlds. Its even referenced in the 2018 test posted earlier in this thread. For whatever reason GM underrated their chassis and doesn’t have as high of a tow rating as the fords and Rams. This is a mistake on their behalf and had driven people to the other two for liability reasons alone.

All that said 70k for a new truck is fucking nuts so buy what you like and make sure you have the longest warranty you can buy for it. Keep it for 10 years and you’ll get your money out of it if it stays running.

The 2020’s are new for all 3. They now have crazy tuned power stock. I’d like to see 500 hp and 1000 lbtq with a warranty and a hidden piss tank on the GM trucks. I did have a beer with a global director at Allison while at Indy who informed me of the Allison 9 speed for the 2020 trucks. I think that’s what I’ve been waiting on for an upgrade.

Cheers!

Good stuff. My longbed holds about 50 Gallons but the short beds do have small tanks. My good friend owns a Ford dealer here in Utah and they offer a lifetime warranty and no extra charge. Lots of people buy from them for that warranty. Older Ford diesels had lots of issues but this 6.7 is badass. It is very very close to being internally balanced. My friends own H&S and do all kinds of mild to crazy stuff to all the brands. Did you happen to watch Breaking Point? They put a 6.7 on the dyno and kept adding fuel and nitrous trying to blow it up. I think they made 12 or so dyno pulls and could not break it.

 

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That's 10,000 plus a year no it's not.

Value is subjective I suppose.