2018 Korea

[DrunkenSailor]

You cant go after the fucker and miss. If you do our ICBM's pass each other in the air. We may knock his out of the sky but we might not. Those aren't odds I wanna mess with. 2mm dead and 7.2mm injured in Tokyo and Seoul. 500k dead in LA with another 1.2mm Injured. Throw in another 3mm dead and another 3mm injured in pyongyang when we make half the country uninhabitable for the next 1000 years or so. Not sure what the solution is here but I don't think its armed conflict. If he pushes the button the world loses.

 

[SBMech]

You cant go after the fucker and miss. If you do our ICBM's pass each other in the air. We may knock his out of the sky but we might not. Those aren't odds I wanna mess with. 2mm dead and 7.2mm injured in Tokyo and Seoul. 500k dead in LA with another 1.2mm Injured. Throw in another 3mm dead and another 3mm injured in pyongyang when we make half the country uninhabitable for the next 1000 years or so. Not sure what the solution is here but I don't think its armed conflict. If he pushes the button the world loses.

Do you honestly think we would be the only one trying? I bet that little cockgobbler has attempts every week...we would just be joining the club...

 

[Old Texan]

There's a 30 minute window to do something about it. If there're lets say a dozen ICBM's on the way, you better have a system that a dozen anti missiles on the way to meet them half way head on, be as accurate as a bullet of a sharpshooter's who could shoot a bullet head on. Short range is easier to deal with since they're slower and US defence is just around the corner of NK's airspace.
A bullet travels at 1700 mph, an ICBM does 15.000 mph, not as easy to do as dodging a bullet.

So you honestly think NK has a dozen? I don't. And if they do I'd wager 10 are duds. Let's not get ahead of ourselves about just how much stock they have and how much works.

15,000 mph.....I GOTTA SEE THE BACKUP ON THAT !!!!!!

 

[SBMech]

So you honestly think NK has a dozen? I don't. And if they do I'd wager 10 are duds. Let's not get ahead of ourselves about just how much stock they have and how much works.

15,000 mph.....I GOTTA SEE THE BACKUP ON THAT !!!!!!

No he's for real on the stats. They fucking haul ass up into orbit and then get a booster back down to target. They are all business.

 

[Outdrive1]

So you honestly think NK has a dozen? I don't. And if they do I'd wager 10 are duds. Let's not get ahead of ourselves about just how much stock they have and how much works.

15,000 mph.....I GOTTA SEE THE BACKUP ON THAT !!!!!!

We know where every missile silo is, I guarantee it. We could do a preemptive strike and wipe their little arsenal off the map in a matter of seconds. I bet they never get any of their shit boxes in the air.


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[SNiC Jet]

We know where every missile silo is, I guarantee it.

I thought silos as well.... but I now understand these missiles use mobile launchers......but I agree.... I am confident our "intelligence" knows where everything is and exactly what is going on...

Older quote...
North Korea could be preparing another missile launch in the coming days, intelligence analysts believe, after they observed the regime moving a mobile launcher.

 

[MSum661]

No he's for real on the stats. They fucking haul ass up into orbit and then get a booster back down to target. They are all business.

He also has the Rotation of the Earth in His favor and Los Angeles, Denver, and Chicago are all well within Range because of that fact.
Areas like New York and Boston may just be in Range.
A missile gets a substantial velocity kick due to earth rotating in an eastward direction.
The wild card is the weight of the payload(s).

 

[Uncle Dave]

We know where every missile silo is, I guarantee it. We could do a preemptive strike and wipe their little arsenal off the map in a matter of seconds. I bet they never get any of their shit boxes in the air.


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Remember all the cool new truck based systems they paraded out courtesy of the Chinese and Russians?

They dont have silos and are easy to move and hide. They are stocking up on these medium range ICBMs as fast as they can assemble and get them.


UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

How many are you willing to risk if he launches a nuke that can reach LA?

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If pre-empts Nuclear war? - burn him down like any other nuke bearing country.

He's pretty close to being able to do that now if he wants.

Hes about got the thing built and ready to go.

No easy answer here .

UD

 

[MSum661]

Remember all the cool new truck based systems they paraded out courtesy of the Chinese and Russians?

They dont have silos and are easy to move and hide. They are stocking up on these medium range ICBMs as fast as they can assemble and get them.


UD

That's the big problem with attempting to knock one out of the sky once its launched.
He is using smaller, fast moving missiles and trying to take one out would be like trying to hit a bullet with another bullet.

 

[SBMech]

That's the big problem with attempting to knock one out of the sky once its launched.
He is using smaller, fast moving missiles and trying to take one out would be like trying to hit a bullet with another bullet.

Well we do have 2 (3) defense systems in place that are roughly 90% effective. They have to know this. I doubt they want to start shit for real.

 

[MSum661]

Well we do have 2 (3) defense systems in place that are roughly 90% effective. They have to know this. I doubt they want to start shit for real.

Yep...and you can bet, somewhere, someplace, we are quietly perfecting its effectiveness.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Well we do have 2 (3) defense systems in place that are roughly 90% effective. They have to know this. I doubt they want to start shit for real.

They may intercept japan and the US west coast with 90 % effectiveness and our current solution is two or threee offset interceptors per incoming nuke.

They won't stop him from wiping out South Korea Korea regardless - he's got that place covered with conventional artillery he's got like 15K pieces of it no way it all comes out in one strike.

This ones gonna be ugly if it starts


UD

 

[thetub]

what about those EMP missiles?

take out all electronics of that shithole than take it over??

 

[Uncle Dave]

what about those EMP missiles?

take out all electronics of that shithole than take it over??

Military stuff is always hardened.

and an EMP blast doenst stop 15K analog lanyards from being yanked.

Hitting Seoul is an analog function a boyscout could do from the DMZ.



UD

 

[SNiC Jet]

FWIW...

North Korean soldiers 'STARVING as Kim orders them into World War 3 training with no food'
KIM Jong-un’s regime can not feed its soldiers as many of the 1.2 million troops are “in poor physical condition and in no fit state to fight” as military training is ramped up amid fears of war on the Korean Peninsula.

 

[MSum661]

Have a Great Evening All! Out.

 

[saucedaddy]

I thought silos as well.... but I now understand these missiles use mobile launchers......but I agree.... I am confident our "intelligence" knows where everything is and exactly what is going on...

Older quote...
North Korea could be preparing another missile launch in the coming days, intelligence analysts believe, after they observed the regime moving a mobile launcher.

Really? You put a lot of confidence in people who couldn't find a 7 ft Osama in the desert or a plane full of people who mysteriously vanish over the Indian Ocean. I don't think our "Intelligence" is that intelligent.

 

[Racey]

We know where every missile silo is, I guarantee it. We could do a preemptive strike and wipe their little arsenal off the map in a matter of seconds. I bet they never get any of their shit boxes in the air.


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The problem is not their missile sites, they have very few missiles, even fewer that work, and the ones that do are very poor. The problem is the thousands upon thousands of artillery cannons left over from WWII and the Korean conflict that are all zeroed in on and aimed at Seoul, they can all be fired in a matter of just a couple of minutes, each cannon can probably light off 3 rounds a minute, and there are at least 2k or 3k of them spread out on the other side of the DMZ, that could be 15,000 shells per minute into one of the most densely populated cities on earth.

that's a serious amount of collateral damage to try planning for or preventing strategically

 

[Old Texan]

FWIW...

North Korean soldiers 'STARVING as Kim orders them into World War 3 training with no food'
KIM Jong-un’s regime can not feed its soldiers as many of the 1.2 million troops are “in poor physical condition and in no fit state to fight” as military training is ramped up amid fears of war on the Korean Peninsula.

The key to beating NK in a ground war may be to pump the smell of steaks cooking into their troops. Pile up burgers on the border and line up buffett steam tables.....Let the power of hunger work it's magic. All his troops will be concentrated on getting fed rather than fighting.

 

[Gelcoater]

The key to beating NK in a ground war may be to pump the smell of steaks cooking into their troops. Pile up burgers on the border and line up buffett steam tables.....Let the power of hunger work it's magic. All his troops will be concentrated on getting fed rather than fighting.

Build an In&Out burger joint just across the border.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Really? You put a lot of confidence in people who couldn't find a 7 ft Osama in the desert or a plane full of people who mysteriously vanish over the Indian Ocean. I don't think our "Intelligence" is that intelligent.

That was when "O" was POTUS...we do a much better job now, ...haven't you noticed?

 

[wsuwrhr]

Exactly, we're here as a direct result of Clinton, Bush II, and Obama, and yet people are bitching that it's Trumps' fault.... Puh-lease. Trump has done more in his first year in office via tough diplomacy than all 3 of the last admins combined, at least he is doing something.

You misogynist, raaaacissssss, Trumper, warmonger.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Everyone played kick the can and it landed on trumps watch.

Trump has no easy answers, but a bigger problem than the guys before him as now the nuclear blackmailing and selling nukes to really bad guys is going to begin.

Legally blocked from all the trade - blackmarket weapon and nukes can earn Kim hundreds of billions.

Nuclear Iran comes next - much larger economy, even larger problem.

Gonna be an interesting ride in the next 20 years.

UD

 

[500bbc]

Everyone played kick the can and it landed on trumps watch.

Trump has no easy answers, but a bigger problem than the guys before him as now the nuclear blackmailing and selling nukes to really bad guys is going to begin.

Legally blocked from all the trade - blackmarket weapon and nukes can earn Kim hundreds of billions.

Nuclear Iran comes next - much larger economy, even larger problem.

Gonna be an interesting ride in the next 20 years.

UD

Pffttt!!!

All easily solved with pallets of cash being shipped to our enemies.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Pffttt!!!

All easily solved with pallets of cash being shipped to our enemies.

well to be fair the 400M was the Iranians money we froze- but the 1.3Billion vig we paid ? - all in cash?

....that looked a whole lot like basically paying a ransom for a group of guys released concurrently
an act further endangering US citizen all over the world breaking long standing policy.
Bad form and sloppy execution in one fell swoop - how efficient!

....but we're talking about Trumps problem.

UD

 

[Old Texan]

!

....but we're talking about Trumps problem.

UD

YUP. The major issues get pushed back. Some of the Nopesters get so wound up, looking for the thrilling near orgasm over the eyewitness from the lobby of the WH scuttlebutt HW supermarket fiction piece, They fall out of bed.

Trump would've sent the Irani's an invoice of paid in full for all the costs they've caused us over the years.....Fuck 'em. Let 'em get in line and sue us.......MAGA

 

[SNiC Jet]

Trump would've sent the Irani's an invoice of paid in full for all the costs they've caused us over the years.....Fuck 'em. Let 'em get in line and sue us.......MAGA

 

[94Nautique]

TLFAU!

Good Job!

Why do you reply? It only makes him feel relevant...

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[AzGeo]

Just when the USA needs someone to "draw a line in the sand", and our greatest LINE DRAWER Obama is nowhere to be found" !

Obama ? Yes the guy who gave CASH, trucks, tanks, missiles, and vast numbers of munitions to those "guys on horseback" .

Lucky we now have Trump who has just CUT off the AID cash flow to Afghanistan, and will soon RAMP UP US military actions there, then get out .

Just months after Trump goes to China, and everyone was "all kissy, kissy", and now the USA is facing a major safety threat, from North Korea .

What better way to LEVERAGE TRADE AGREEMENTS with CHINA, than to BLAME them for not controlling their "little Rocket man" ?

China SAID they would work with the USA and the UN, but they have already been CAUGHT giving them oil, and who knows what other items in some other "underground" method .

So Trump (the USA) has and will continue to work on a peaceful resolution thru "accepted international methods", in public .

Trump will now begin a "slow arm twisting", on everything China exports .

Sure the European Union will be slow to follow, but America is the "marketplace" for all those boats full of cheap goods from China .

There may be bloodshed, but there need NOT be US guns used in controlling the problem we have with North Korea .

I feel that if the USA stops a few of those container ships from China at our docks, and simultaneously asks for a "re-negotiation" of our trade agreements, China will begin to ACTUALLY do what they said they would do against North Korea . (Isolate their economy)

Kim is "the alter-ego" of China, seeking EVERY WEAK SPOT around the globe . China "tests other countries", using Kim and his "persona" , to see who will or won't bend to their demands .

I have more fear of earthquakes hitting Los Angeles than NK (or any) missiles inbound .

 

[Fun Times]

Hope Trump doesn't send Kim Jong-Un a happy birthday present for his birthday today on January 8th.... He turns 35 today. today....https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/kim-jong-un-5953.php
https://www.famousbirthdays.com/january8.html

 

[DrunkenSailor]

China holds about 1.24bn in US debt and is the largest single holder of US debt on the planet. We might not be able to go the trade sanction route with China.

 

[Old Texan]

China holds about 1.24bn in US debt and is the largest single holder of US debt on the planet. We might not be able to go the trade sanction route with China.

A spit in the sea compared to the national debt.....And likely not a factor in relation to the trade $$$$ the Chinese depend on from the US and allies. China needs the market we offer far more than the mess NK creates for them.

 

[530RL]

China holds about 1.24bn in US debt and is the largest single holder of US debt on the planet. We might not be able to go the trade sanction route with China.

The trade deficit under Trump's America first policy is up 12% through October. The trade deficit with China is up 7% and the trade deficit with Mexico is up 11%. T

Since the US pulled out of the TPP, the remaining 11 countries have simply moved forward without us with a new deal known as the "Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership."

This administration has made it clear that America is abandoning its status as a world leader in return for an America First Policy. Not a criticism, it is what those who voted for Trump demanded. And while Trump pursues an America First foreign and trade policy, it looks like at least 11 countries don’t mind leaving America alone and as a result of Trump voters wishes being respected, our leadership in that part of the world will be supplanted by China.

N. Korea doesn't need to worry about the US as our options are limited, they simply need to make China relatively happy as China is better off having N. Korea tie up US military and political bandwidth. It is a smart play by China given the US is no longer interested in being a regional economic power or trade leader in that part of the world. It is the perfect opening for China to slide in and become a competing superpower both economically and militarily.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

Sorry I mistyped should have been 1.24 Trillion.

 

[JBS]

I feel that if the USA stops a few of those container ships from China at our docks, and simultaneously asks for a "re-negotiation" of our trade agreements, China will begin to ACTUALLY do what they said they would do against North Korea . (Isolate their economy)

Here is the problem with that.

Those containers did not land here because the Chinese sent them. They landed here because we bought the stuff and had it shipped over.

I know just buy from the USA. As a manufacturer myself I would love this. We use to get screws out of Taiwan until we figured out they were buying from China and sending to us.

I use millions of screws per year that need to be plated and or painted and kitted into packs. These are very standard type screws used in the Electrical field. We put out a national RFQ last year and could not get these made in the USA on some sku's and other were at a price that the product could not sustain. This is not a high tech deal.

Bottom line. Not everything of a commodity nature can be made here. Protectionist policies will also hurt US manufacturers that depend on foreign components.

 

[regor]

Protectionist policies will also hurt US manufacturers that depend on foreign components.

Let me preface this by saying I'm not for tariffs and some protectionist policies when it comes to trade, but do you think this might go both ways?

I'm all for China stepping up to the plate and becoming a world superpower and taking a share of the aid we've been sending around the world for the past 60+ years.

I don't see China OR Russia on this list, why is that?

 

[JBS]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not for tariffs and some protectionist policies when it comes to trade, but do you think this might go both ways?

I'm all for China stepping up to the plate and becoming a world superpower and taking a share of the aid we've been sending around the world for the past 60+ years.

I don't see China OR Russia on this list, why is that?

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What does Foreign aid have to do with me getting screws from China? You really are the King of the twist.

 

[Old Texan]

So foreign aid makes one a superpower?

To me FA used to be helpful in buying cooperation and respect from those on the receiving end. As the years passed up to present, it just fuels corruption and those receiving are ingrates with their hands out. Pakistan is a prime example.

China and Russia are not on the list because they dictate the terms and use the "deals that can't be refuse" philosophy. The money they provide requires value in exchange.

The US would do well to stop a huge portion of the FA laid out to the majority of nations including the UN which brings us little more than grief.

Trade is a whole different situation from FA in my opinion anyway......

 

[JBS]

So foreign aid makes one a superpower?

To me FA used to be helpful in buying cooperation and respect from those on the receiving end. As the years passed up to present, it just fuels corruption and those receiving are ingrates with their hands out. Pakistan is a prime example.

China and Russia are not on the list because they dictate the terms and use the "deals that can't be refuse" philosophy. The money they provide requires value in exchange.

The US would do well to stop a huge portion of the FA laid out to the majority of nations including the UN which brings us little more than grief.

Trade is a whole different situation from FA in my opinion anyway......

I am in total agreement with you

 

[regor]

What does Foreign aid have to do with me getting screws from China? You really are the King of the twist.

I don't give an F about your screws.......................so let's get that straight.

You said

Protectionist policies will also hurt US manufacturers that depend on foreign components.

I'm saying that two can play that game AND if certain countries would like to cozy up to China economically and lessen trade with us, then let China fund them AND protect them.

 

[530RL]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not for tariffs and some protectionist policies when it comes to trade, but do you think this might go both ways?

I'm all for China stepping up to the plate and becoming a world superpower and taking a share of the aid we've been sending around the world for the past 60+ years.

I don't see China OR Russia on this list, why is that?

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LMAO

Why is it that Russia and/or China is not on a graph of OECD member giving? I got two theories, you pick........

Either you are now the biggest pretzel plant manager in history or you are not real bright.

You post up an OECD foreign aid chart and wonder why you don't see China or Russia? Maybe because neither China nor Russia is in the OECD and anyone who made it out of the eighth grade learned that in civics class.

LOL

Not that foreign aid has anything to do with this thread, but why don't you google up Chinese foreign aid and you will find they give as much or more than does the US and as a percentage of GDP, they give more than the US.......

So why don't you see China and Russia on an OECD chart........you pick the reason.

 

[regor]

LMAO

Why is it that Russia and/or China is not on a graph of OECD member giving? I got two theories, you pick........

Either you are now the biggest pretzel plant manager in history or you are not real bright.

You post up an OECD foreign aid chart and wonder why you don't see China or Russia? Maybe because neither China nor Russia is in the OECD and anyone who made it out of the eighth grade learned that in civics class.

LOL

Not that foreign aid has anything to do with this thread, but why don't you google up Chinese foreign aid and you will find they give as much or more than does the US and as a percentage of GDP, they give more than the US.......

So why don't you see China and Russia on an OECD chart........you pick the reason.

OECD is to promote policies that will improve the economic and social well-being of people around the world. China & Russia don't do it because it's BS and my point.

Now get the tissues out and clean up yourself.

Foreign aid, concessional and non-concessional state financing, between 2000 and 2014:

Beijing committed $354.3 billion to 140 countries. In comparison, U.S. official finance stood at $394.6 billion.

The majority of U.S. spending was in the form of official development assistance (ODA), "the strict definition of aid," while the bulk of Chinese spending focused on other official flows (OOF), which is primarily intended for commercial projects.

The Chicom are no fools and now that we have a bastard in office to match them, I say bring on the economic war and let countries take sides!!!!!!!

There's more than one way to skin a cat..............when it comes to balancing trade deficits.

 

[JBS]

I don't give an F about your screws.......................so let's get that straight.

You said

Protectionist policies will also hurt US manufacturers that depend on foreign components.

I'm saying that two can play that game AND if certain countries would like to cozy up to China economically and lessen trade with us, then let China fund them AND protect them.

530 has lost his title You are the Pretzel man.

I don't care about these other countries. I don't care about foreign aid. I do not want my business exposed to a trade war with China. I will lose.

 

[SNiC Jet]

530 has lost his title You are the Pretzel man.

 

[spectras only]

Here is the problem with that.




I use millions of screws per year that need to be plated and or painted and kitted into packs. These are very standard type screws used in the Electrical field. We put out a national RFQ last year and could not get these made in the USA on some sku's and other were at a price that the product could not sustain. This is not a high tech deal.

Bottom line. Not everything of a commodity nature can be made here. Protectionist policies will also hurt US manufacturers that depend on foreign components.

So, the protectionist polices outlawed of making plated or painted [ led? ] screws, but powerless against foreign imports coming into the country they try protecting. Who's fault is that the EPA is full of BS, killing domestic manufacturing? Any country that's dependent getting screws from a non environment complient country is an absolute farce. If the US goes to war with NK, would screws still be available from China?
Good thing I have a lathe and equipment to make my own screws,or nuts and bolts, lol

 

[JBS]

So, the protectionist polices outlawed of making plated or painted [ led? ] screws, but powerless against foreign imports coming into the country they try protecting. Who's fault is that the EPA is full of BS, killing domestic manufacturing? Any country that's dependent getting screws from a non environment complient country is an absolute farce. If the US goes to war with NK, would screws still be available from China?
Good thing I have a lathe and equipment to make my own screws,or nuts and bolts, lol

I do not disagree that we have a problem here but as I pointed out we cannot purchase stateside for anything close in cost. These are simple screws.

If we are bombing NK without the Chinese signing off on it the stuff I make for the US and Canadian market won't matter

 

[regor]

530 has lost his title You are the Pretzel man.

I don't care about these other countries. I don't care about foreign aid. I do not want my business exposed to a trade war with China. I will lose.

Well JBS, sometimes you have to take one for the team.

 

[JBS]

Well JBS, sometimes you have to take one for the team.

 

[regor]

Is MAGA putting the "screws" to you?