2 stroke vs. 4 stroke (tritoon)

[BMABITY]

I know everyone prefers a 4 stroke but is the 2 stroke all that bad ( for use in havasu)? I'm looking at a couple tritoons and want to make sure I don't get into a headache. How much more is a 4 stroke worth with similar power? Just trying get some good ideas on what would work best for me!

 

[Outnumbered]

I know everyone prefers a 4 stroke but is the 2 stroke all that bad ( for use in havasu)? I'm looking at a couple tritoons and want to make sure I don't get into a headache. How much more is a 4 stroke worth with similar power? Just trying get some good ideas on what would work best for me!

I love 2-stroke dirtbikes but on a toon where you have to breath your own smoke on a still day on the water it sucks. Get the 4-stroke.

 

[Tom Brown]

How can we answer that question without knowing what engines?

4 stroke makes sense on a pontoon for quiet cruising.

... but I'd take any 2 stroke Yamaha without putting much thought into it.

Want something on the ultra cheap? How about an older OMC on a pontoon. They are good, reliable power.

... but your generalization could also include a Force versus Honda. gotta go with the Honda there, even if the Force is $1 and the Honda is an extra $15K.

 

[rivermobster]

Similar power, or displacement?

The only problem I have with my 2smoke is how much fuel it goes through!!

I love the power. The v6 pushes my 28' tri-toon along at 40+mph easily, but I can watch the gas gauge go down.

I need a bigger fuel tank REAL bad.

 

[Tom Brown]

The only problem I have with my 2smoke is how much fuel it goes through!!

What engine?

 

[hallett21]

Are you talking about new two strokes vs new four strokes? Or are you talking about older ones?

 

[Racey]

The new direct injection two strokes are awesome :thumbsup

 

[Tom Brown]

How quiet are the recent e-Tec outboards? I've heard they are real quiet.

The e-Tec snomobiles get excellent fuel efficiency. From what I can tell, they're at the top of the 2-stroke heap but not quite on the 4 stroke level. I would imagine the outboards would be similar since it's pretty much the same engine technology.

 

[BMABITY]

Sorry guys, it's a 2002 Johnson direct injecton 175 hp. On a 25' triton, I think it should be good for 40 mph, what do you think?

 

[Wicky]

If two two strokes = a four stroke, go for the four stroke like this guy did!!
YouTube - South Bay Pontoon @ 99 mph

 

[rivermobster]

What engine?

Merc 150 v6 (carbs)

I have a 4blade on it that tops out at 5200rpm. Engine max is 5400rpm. Sucks down some major fuel at that speed!!!

Sorry guys, it's a 2002 Johnson direct injecton 175 hp. On a 25' triton, I think it should be good for 40 mph, what do you think?

Easily. :thumbsup

 

[RiverDave]

I know everyone prefers a 4 stroke but is the 2 stroke all that bad ( for use in havasu)? I'm looking at a couple tritoons and want to make sure I don't get into a headache. How much more is a 4 stroke worth with similar power? Just trying get some good ideas on what would work best for me!

If your referring to older outboards, I'd look at a 4 stroke just in case they ban 2 strokes down the road.. You won't want to be in that boat (pun intended)

RD

 

[BMABITY]

If your referring to older outboards, I'd look at a 4 stroke just in case they ban 2 strokes down the road.. You won't want to be in that boat (pun intended)

RD

that was another question of mine, do you think they will be able to outlaw 2 strokes from Havasu? If so, when?

 

[Vmjtc3]

that was another question of mine, do you think they will be able to outlaw 2 strokes from Havasu? If so, when?

I know they already tried it at Mead before but it got shot down. I would think the new dfi 2 strokes would not be banned even if they did ban the old carbed 2 strokes. But who knows for sure......

 

[Rvrluvr]

If you plan on doing alot of idling thru the channel do NOT get a 2 stroke, especially an older one. Ask me how I know. I love my motors and wouldn't change a thing.....BUT......When I cruz thru the channel. I piss off alot of people:skull:skull

 

[TCHB]

I had a 2005 25 Bennington with a Honda 225 V-6 on the back. The boat was a great boat with this package.

I put 410 hours on the boat with no problems.
Replace the water impeller twice and set of plugs that did not need replacing.

Quiet
Good fuel economy
No smoke
Reliable

MY only complaint was that it needed power assist steering.

My new boat has twin Honda 225s with power steering which makes it nicer.

 

[bunkrepair]

My boat has a 115 merc 2 stroke cruises like 20 top speed is 25-28 on a 26 foot pontoon and the gas is great compared to our 400hp small blok roll bar boat

 

[Faceaz]

How quiet are the recent e-Tec outboards? I've heard they are real quiet.

The e-Tec snomobiles get excellent fuel efficiency. From what I can tell, they're at the top of the 2-stroke heap but not quite on the 4 stroke level. I would imagine the outboards would be similar since it's pretty much the same engine technology.

Al has a 60 hp in a dip tank on his showroom floor. Quite even when your standing right next to it & virtually no smoke. I think it's been in there a couple years & I'd bet hasn't had the plugs changed eventhough all it does is idle. Nice little unit.

 

[hotrod56cars]

With used four strokes costing 3 to 4 times what the same sized used two stroke costs, two strokes using somewhere around 3 times more fuel than a four stroke, and then you've got places thinking of banning two strokes. It's like comparing a VW bug to a Corvette.

 

[rivermobster]

that was another question of mine, do you think they will be able to outlaw 2 strokes from Havasu? If so, when?

It will happen eventually. Diamond Valley lake, and few others have banned em already. The direct injection engines are still allowed I belive. It's just a matter of time.

 

[Fltplan]

Here's my opinion on 2 strokes. I have a brand spankin new Merc 300xs(I'm not biased ). It's a 2 star efficiency motor, runs quiet and get's tremendous mileage. I don't think the 2 vs 4 stroke thing will be relevant in the future, it will all be based on the star efficiency ratings. I understand the new etec, Yamaha motors are incredible and are 3 stars. I have read online (?????) that the new direct injection 2 strokes are cleaner burning than the 4 strokes of a few years ago (I know, hard to believe).

If I was comparing new motors, I'd go with a 2 stroke (maybe 3-4 years or newer). Older motors, I'd got with a 4 stroke.

 

[Tom Brown]

... two strokes using somewhere around 3 times more fuel than a four stroke...

How do you suppose a DCB F-29 with a pair of 300 hp outboards would compare to the identical hull with a pair of 496 stern drives in terms of performance and fuel economy?

 

[Fltplan]

How do you suppose a DCB F-29 with a pair of 300 hp outboards would compare to the identical hull with a pair of 496 stern drives in terms of performance and fuel economy?

I'll bet the twin 300's would outperform stock 496's. Probably get better mileage too (that may be a stretch, but maybe not!)

BTW, the 300's weigh 505# each.

 

[Tom Brown]

I'll bet the twin 300's would outperform stock 496's. Probably get better mileage too (that may be a stretch, but maybe not!)

The superior fuel economy and performance of the twin 300 - 2 stroke outboards versus stock 496 I/O drives is repeatedly documented in the forums.

 

[rivermobster]

The superior fuel economy and performance of the twin 300 - 2 stroke outboards versus stock 496 I/O drives is repeatedly documented in the forums.

Not to mention, those 300's sound freakin bad azz...

 

[Fltplan]

what do you guys think the weight of the 496 + drive is?

 

[Tom Brown]

what do you guys think the weight of the 496 + drive is?

3 or 4 times less than a 2 stroke of similar power.

 

[Fltplan]

The advantage of the outboard for me was the ability to keep all my storage in the back of the boat with the motor hangin off the back. With an i/o I wouldn't want this boat, would need something different (ie open bow or longer), neither of which are enticing to me.

 

[BMABITY]

the F-29 would be faster with the 496's IMO. Fuel I have no idea on the OB's but I do know the 496's in cruise mood are very efficent for BBC, anything pinned is a whole other story. Personally if you want a 100mph F-29, build a single BBC, fuel is still gonna suck either way you go but at least your insurance, maintenance, storage, swim step access, and build cost will be much cheaper! I know alot of you would not agree :blah: but I have a F-29 with a single 700sci/NXT and I could not be happier, does everything I want it to and runs real well....

 

[rivermobster]

Yeah, if you like the sound of angry mosquito's buzzing in your ear :skull

There are advantages to wind up's though. Superior fuel consumption. Lets see...what else.....thinking......lol

Speaking of mosquitos, ever been down around the reeds when the sun going down??

I learned the hard way not to make That mistake again!!!

 

[Tom Brown]

the F-29 would be faster with the 496's IMO.

My opinion is that a chocolate sunday has less calories than a green salad but sometimes the facts don't support these opinions.

 

[Tom Brown]

Speaking of mosquitos, ever been down around the reeds when the sun going down??

I learned the hard way not to make That mistake again!!!

I thought you guys didn't have mosquitos. Seriously.

I've never noticed any when I've been down there. In fact, this it the first I've heard of it.

Up here, you can't walk around in shorts in the summer without getting bit about 10 times every 10 seconds. It's horrendous.

The black flies are worse. Black flies don't bite but they are so small, they can go through screens when they're young and they fill the air like a black mist. You end up breathing them when they get really nasty.

The cold weather clears that shit up, though. That's why we like winter so much.

 

[Outdrive1]

Was the original question about a single 496 vs outboards? Hands down the outboards are going to be better yet the cost will not be close. 496 will be much cheaper for initial rigging cost. Twin 496 will out perform the twin whackers IMO and probably close to the same cost for rigging.
Since they are selling the 502 again, this discussion is actually pointless, lol.

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[BMABITY]

My opinion is that a chocolate sunday has less calories than a green salad but sometimes the facts don't support these opinions.

Any given Sunday?

 

[BMABITY]

Was the original question about a single 496 vs outboards? Hands down the outboards are going to be better yet the cost will not be close. 496 will be much cheaper for initial rigging cost. Twin 496 will out perform the twin whackers IMO and probably close to the same cost for rigging.
Since they are selling the 502 again, this discussion is actually pointless, lol.

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Twin 496's....

 

[rivermobster]

I thought you guys didn't have mosquitos. Seriously.

I've never noticed any when I've been down there. In fact, this it the first I've heard of it.

Up here, you can't walk around in shorts in the summer without getting bit about 10 times every 10 seconds. It's horrendous.

The black flies are worse. Black flies don't bite but they are so small, they can go through screens when they're young and they fill the air like a black mist. You end up breathing them when they get really nasty.

The cold weather clears that shit up, though. That's why we like winter so much.

They live down there by the reeds. I think they are part piranna (sp?). They seem to only attack right at sunset, when your completetly relaxed, and not feeling a worry in the whole world. They read your thoughts these mosquetos, and move in when you least expect it...

Seriously.

 

[rivermobster]

Never go down there the first night of a trip. Wait till you have plenty of booze in your system then they'll leave you alone

See? They know if you been drinkin, they know if you been good or bad!!!

Do you think Tom Browns black flies are the same as our noseeems? (thats what we always called em. they look like knats, but only land on the back of your arms and leges, where you cant see em, and bite the shit outa you!!!)

Those things totally piss me off!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rivermobster]

I think Brown is imagining things or has a very expensive coke habit

It's been documents on many forums, it must be true...

arty2:

 

[Tom Brown]

It's been documents on many forums, it must be true...

I made a post a while ago saying I believe I was confusing the dual 300X comparison. It could well have been a single 496. I've dropped a request for comment note to a couple of F29 owners (one 2 x 300 outboard, the other with I/O power). We'll see if they turn up.

I have to say... the 3 or 4 times fuel efficiency advantage of a 4 stroke just isn't happening. That's ridiculous.

 

[Outdrive1]

I made a post a while ago saying I believe I was confusing the dual 300X comparison. It could well have been a single 496. I've dropped a request for comment note to a couple of F29 owners (one 2 x 300 outboard, the other with I/O power). We'll see if they turn up.

I have to say... the 3 or 4 times fuel efficiency advantage of a 4 stroke just isn't happening. That's ridiculous.

Either motor package seems to be grossly underpowered for an F29. A single 496 would be horrible in one. Twin 300's would have to make it an 80mph boat with a 60mph cruise. 60 is sloppy in that boat. 80 is a good cruising speed. 496's would be 90's by my guess. I drove a 28 Speedster with 496's and it was a low 90mph boat. Just enough to get past the porpoise. F29's almost have no noticeable porpoise so they are better set to cruise between 70 and 80.

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[rivermobster]

I made a post a while ago saying I believe I was confusing the dual 300X comparison. It could well have been a single 496. I've dropped a request for comment note to a couple of F29 owners (one 2 x 300 outboard, the other with I/O power). We'll see if they turn up.

I have to say... the 3 or 4 times fuel efficiency advantage of a 4 stroke just isn't happening. That's ridiculous.

Everything on the interweb is true...

 

[Tom Brown]

Either motor package seems to be grossly underpowered for an F29. A single 496 would be horrible in one.

Yeah. I'm going to wait to hear from the I/O owner before I comment further but I'd be surprised if they made a single I/O F29.

... and by "grossly underpowered", don't you mean, "insufficiently overpowered"?

 

[BMABITY]

Are you saying Eliminators hop?

Who's the guy with the 30 deck on PB with 300's? I think he said high 90's? Same bottom as the 29.

but that is a sportdeck, same bottom but from what I understand heavier boat then a open/closed bow F-29..

I think twin 300's will get maybe 100 on a perfect day light light load... If I were going to build/buy a F-29 twin 300's, I would hope to be happy with a 90 mph boat....

 

[rivermobster]

Oh to have a bottomless back account...

 

[Outdrive1]

but that is a sportdeck, same bottom but from what I understand heavier boat then a open/closed bow F-29..

I think twin 300's will get maybe 100 on a perfect day light light load... If I were going to build/buy a F-29 twin 300's, I would hope to be happy with a 90 mph boat....

I doubt 100. Chips 26 wont break a buck. I know its an open bow walk through with stereo equip up the ass, but no way is it heavier than a 29.

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[Outdrive1]

Yeah. I'm going to wait to hear from the I/O owner before I comment further but I'd be surprised if they made a single I/O F29.

... and by "grossly underpowered", don't you mean, "insufficiently overpowered"?

Mr Harley had a single something in his 29. Maybe someone will chime in on what his boat runs. Probably not though.

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[Outdrive1]

Are you saying Eliminators hop?
.

I would never say that.................




















on the internet.

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[Phebus]

A tritoon thread gets turned into a DCB debate. Toons get no respect.

 

[Chipster27]

I doubt 100. Chips 26 wont break a buck. I know its an open bow walk through with stereo equip up the ass, but no way is it heavier than a 29.

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I've done a solid 97 in my boat with labbed/cupped/ported 30 bravos. As Paul says my boat is heavy and I'm happy with the numbers it turns. A lighter version of my boat should break 105+. If you put bigger wheels on mine and let someone that knew what they were doing drive it you could probably break 100. There are 2-3 F29s with 300x motors on them, GreyGoose and the guy that owns Savage. It's drejustice that has the F30 with 300xs motors. http://www.performanceboats.com/showthread.php?t=64644

 

[Outdrive1]

I've done a solid 97 in my boat with 30 bravos. As Paul says my boat is heavy and I'm happy with the numbers it turns. A lighter version of my boat should break 105+. Someone that knows what they are doing could probably break 100 in mine. There are 2-3 F29s with 300x motors on them, GreyGoose and the guy that owns Savage. It's Drejustis (or something like that) that has the F30 with 300xs motors and I think he was bumping 100 and was shooting to get over a buck.

Your boat is straight up bad ass Chip. I think I asked you to sell it to me at one time and you got all sentimental about it, lol.

Id like to know what the 29 runs with 300's. Id also like to know what the 29 with triples that's been for sale at Lake Cumberland Marine for three years runs also.

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