Russia and Ukraine

[rcmike]

“If they don’t pay, I’m not going to defend them. No, I’m not going to defend them,”

That is a clear repudiation of Article 5. I’m not sure how much more clear it could be.

So he is saying they need to uphold their treaty obligations to be part of the treaty. If they ignore the treaty, are they covered by it?

 

[Ultra...Good]

When you say ”respond in kind”, I assume you mean support Russia in their aggression as we are now doing in Ukraine?

How the F do you reach the conclusion that we are supporting Russia in their aggression?

 

[530RL]

How the F do you reach the conclusion that we are supporting Russia in their aggression?

American policy now includes:

Siding with Russia on the last two UN votes relating to Ukraine.

Stopping intelligence sharing with Ukraine which Ukraine was using to defend civilian areas and infrastructure from Russian aggression.

Ceased offensive cyber operations and information operations against Russia

Paused previously approved military aid to Ukraine

Disbanded efforts to seize the assets of Russian oligarchs, breaking up Task Force Klepto Capture and the Kleptocracy Asset Recovery Initiative

Stated Ukraine started the war

Publicy supported Ukrainian territory being awarded to Russia for its invasion

Supporting an end to Russian economic sanctions

Denouncing the use of seized Russian assets held in the EU for the benefit of Ukraine

How can anyone conclude that this is not support for Russia in its war against Ukraine?

 

[Ultra...Good]

American policy now includes:

Siding with Russia on the last two UN votes relating to Ukraine.

Stopping intelligence sharing with Ukraine which Ukraine was using to defend civilian areas and infrastructure from Russian aggression.

Ceased offensive cyber operations and information operations against Russia

Paused previously approved military aid to Ukraine

Disbanded efforts to seize the assets of Russian oligarchs, breaking up Task Force Klepto Capture and the Kleptocracy Asset Recovery Initiative

Stated Ukraine started the war

Publicy supported Ukrainian territory being awarded to Russia for its invasion

Supporting an end to Russian economic sanctions

Denouncing the use of seized Russian assets held in the EU for the benefit of Ukraine

How can anyone conclude that this is not support for Russia in its war against Ukraine?

So what yore saying is either we are with them or against them which by default makes us with the evil bad guys. Got it.

You have to stop walking when you chew gum. We know why.

 

[530RL]

So what yore saying is either we are with them or against them which by default makes us with the evil bad guys. Got it.

You have to stop walking when you chew gum. We know why.

It’s like right versus wrong. Some people don’t get it.

 

[Sandlord]

American policy now includes:

Siding with Russia on the last two UN votes relating to Ukraine.

Stopping intelligence sharing with Ukraine which Ukraine was using to defend civilian areas and infrastructure from Russian aggression.

Ceased offensive cyber operations and information operations against Russia

Paused previously approved military aid to Ukraine

Disbanded efforts to seize the assets of Russian oligarchs, breaking up Task Force Klepto Capture and the Kleptocracy Asset Recovery Initiative

Stated Ukraine started the war

Publicy supported Ukrainian territory being awarded to Russia for its invasion

Supporting an end to Russian economic sanctions

Denouncing the use of seized Russian assets held in the EU for the benefit of Ukraine

How can anyone conclude that this is not support for Russia in its war against Ukraine?

I wont waste time on all the points, but you need a better source of slanted news.

They confidently forgot to mention there was also a US backed resolution that was more powerful because it was in the Security Council, rather than the general assembly,

Fake news omitted half the story in order to trigger the libs with TDS.

 

[Ultra...Good]

It’s like right versus wrong. Some people don’t get it.

Obviously, as you are quick to admit the error in your method.

 

[530RL]

I wont waste time on all the points, but you need a better source of slanted news.

They confidently forgot to mention there was also a US backed resolution that was more powerful because it was in the Security Council, rather than the general assembly,

Fake news omitted half the story in order to trigger the libs with TDS.

Wow,

Russia and the US opposed a European-backed UN General Assembly resolution condemning Moscow’s war in Ukraine and invasion as well as acknowledging Ukraine‘s territorial integrity. Then in a UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution both the US and Russia approved the US-backed resolution calling for a swift end to the conflict that avoided labelling Russia as the aggressor or acknowledging Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

Now, please explain how the Security Council resolution which refused to acknowledge Russia’s invasion or Ukraines territorial integrity was “more powerful” for the reason that it was the UNSC?

The “more powerful” resolution you refer to backs up the prior point, specifically that US policy now backs up the President’s statement, the belief that Ukraine started the war. It backs up as previously demonstrated, a move by the US away from its traditional western allies, NATO, and closer towards our previous foe, Russia.

It would appear your TST is stronger than my TDS.

 

[Sandlord]

Wow,

Russia and the US opposed a European-backed UN General Assembly resolution condemning Moscow’s war in Ukraine and invasion as well as acknowledging Ukraine‘s territorial integrity. Then in a UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution both the US and Russia approved the US-backed resolution calling for a swift end to the conflict that avoided labelling Russia as the aggressor or acknowledging Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

Now, please explain how the Security Council resolution which refused to acknowledge Russia’s invasion or Ukraines territorial integrity was “more powerful” for the reason that it was the UNSC?

The “more powerful” resolution you refer to backs up the prior point, specifically that US policy now backs up the President’s statement, the belief that Ukraine started the war. It backs up as previously demonstrated, a move by the US away from its traditional western allies, NATO, and closer towards our previous foe, Russia.

It would appear your TST is stronger than my TDS.

Resolutions in the GA are not legally binding.
Resolutions in the SC are.

 

[530RL]

Resolutions in the GA are not legally binding.
Resolutions in the SC are.

lol.

Boy was that a tough legally binding resolution that Russia hasn’t followed.

 

[TPC]

American policy is stop the killing in a stalemate / checkmate destine to be endless situation.

 

[Smitty7]

Unfortunately, the majority of the minerals that would be of value to the US lie in Ukrainian geographies the administration has proposed ceding to Russia.

Sounds like it would work out . Long ways away . Shipping would kill ya .

 

[Smitty7]

How the F do you reach the conclusion that we are supporting Russia in their aggression?

Because Trumps a Russian Nazi anti semite silly . Why would you ask 530 of all people a question like that . Soon as these fuckers figure out how to use that A.I. you will see . Trump will be Vlads second cousin or some shit and they will actual try to get you to believe . Shit , even Fetterman ain't falling for their shit .

 

[monkeyswrench]

When you say ”respond in kind”, I assume you mean support Russia in their aggression as we are now doing in Ukraine?

I'm not in the mood to play into your fuktardery today, as I am most days. You know damn well what I mean.
You're an old f'k, who's never shed blood or a tear in some ways. Pickup a specialty custom AR platform of yours and go to the front, if you feel evil is only of Russian creation.
If you don't have the balls to pony up, shut up. I have kids to support here, a life to lead without needing war. Why don't you spend your fortune doing some good for the world? Doing good is not increasing one's wealth and holdings, not on the backs of others or the blood of the dead.

 

[rcmike]

lol.

Boy was that a tough legally binding resolution that Russia hasn’t followed.

Thank god, we can finally get the fuck out of the UN since 265 agrees it is worthless. And we can save a lot of money!

 

[530RL]

I'm not in the mood to play into your fuktardery today, as I am most days. You know damn well what I mean.
You're an old f'k, who's never shed blood or a tear in some ways. Pickup a specialty custom AR platform of yours and go to the front, if you feel evil is only of Russian creation.
If you don't have the balls to pony up, shut up. I have kids to support here, a life to lead without needing war. Why don't you spend your fortune doing some good for the world? Doing good is not increasing one's wealth and holdings, not on the backs of others or the blood of the dead.

The reason we haven’t had a world war in 80 years is due to the alliances built post WWII.

I am afraid that the policies now being pursued will result in exactly what you and I wish to avoid.

 

[regor]

The reason we haven’t had a world war in 80 years is due to the alliances built post WWII.

I am afraid that the policies now being pursued will result in exactly what you and I wish to avoid.

Yore afraid yore faggot ass friends in Euroland will have to pay for their own defense and the war machine of America will get cut off from a portion of the beloved printing press, you scumbags use to stuff yore filthy pockets.

Save the BULLSHIT...............clown!!!

 

[530RL]

Yore afraid yore faggot ass friends in Euroland will have to pay for their own defense and the war machine of America will get cut off from a portion of the beloved printing press, you scumbags use to stuff yore filthy pockets.

Save the BULLSHIT...............clown!!!

The CR just passed has an increase in money for the “war machine“ of America.

 

[Sandlord]

The CR just passed has an increase in money for the “war machine“ of America.

Pete has to eradicate the woke mentally ill. And return the military to a fierce fighting machine.
Were lucky a world war hasn’t broke out while shit got goofy.

 

[regor]

The CR just passed has an increase in money for the “war machine“ of America.

Gonna have to clean up the mess you scumbags left behind.

 

[HotRod82]

The CR just passed has an increase in money for the “war machine“ of America.

It HAD to.......Biden gave away all of our stockpiles of ammunition and equipment. I have a family member who works for a large DOD contractor and he told me they have more than two years of backlog from the Ukraine debacle. Job security for him, he's happy.

 

[4Waters]

It HAD to.......Biden gave away all of our stockpiles of ammunition and equipment. I have a family member who works for a large DOD contractor and he told me they have more than two years of backlog from the Ukraine debacle. Job security for him, he's happy.

Huh! Weird. Biden and his cronies are making money off of a war that is not ours. The democratic "war machine" party or is it the war machine "democratic" party

 

[rcmike]

We are not in a world war, there are just wars on 5 of the 7 continents..

 

[regor]

Outrage after German intelligence chief says Ukraine war should keep going for another 5 years

The Ukraine war has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives, but Germany’s top intelligence chief is predicting far more carnage, and Ukraine’s opposition is reacting with outrage. Bruno Kahl, the head of the Federal Intelligence Service (BND) made the comments in an interview, saying: “If a...

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“If a war in Ukraine comes to a standstill earlier than (2029 or 2030), then all the means (of Russia) – both the technical and the material – are able much earlier to provide a threat against Europe.”

In Ukraine, this portion of the interview has been met with sharp backlash.

Ukraine should turn the guns on Germany and all the warmongering faggots in Brussels.

 

[Cole 392]

They finally admit Ukraine is responsible for starting this war…

https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/1902349280473481305

 

[RVR SWPR]

American policy is stop the killing in a stalemate / checkmate destine to be endless situation.

^In just a few words Totally Correct.^
Everyday 530RL writes paragraph after paragraph of his BULLSHIT not once mentioning the millions of innocent citizens killed. The death and destruction means nothing to 530RL

 

[Racey]

Outrage after German intelligence chief says Ukraine war should keep going for another 5 years

The Ukraine war has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives, but Germany’s top intelligence chief is predicting far more carnage, and Ukraine’s opposition is reacting with outrage. Bruno Kahl, the head of the Federal Intelligence Service (BND) made the comments in an interview, saying: “If a...

rmx.news

“If a war in Ukraine comes to a standstill earlier than (2029 or 2030), then all the means (of Russia) – both the technical and the material – are able much earlier to provide a threat against Europe.”

In Ukraine, this portion of the interview has been met with sharp backlash.

Ukraine should turn the guns on Germany and all the warmongering faggots in Brussels.

Lol yea, Russia has been soooo aggressive to Europe, notice how they have been pushing ever westward with their weapons until they have landed on the doorstep of NATO..... Oh wait .....

 

[530RL]

^In just a few words Totally Correct.^
Everyday 530RL writes paragraph after paragraph of his BULLSHIT not once mentioning the millions of innocent citizens killed. The death and destruction means nothing to 530RL

And exactly who are specifically targeting and killing those innocent civilians?

You would suggest the Ukrainian people simply drop their weapons and surrender their lives to those individuals, or should they defend themselves from such individuals?

Is it that hard to comprehend? What would you do?

 

[RVR SWPR]

And exactly who are specifically targeting and killing those innocent civilians?

You would suggest the Ukrainian people simply drop their weapons and surrender their lives to those individuals, or should they defend themselves from such individuals?

Is it that hard to comprehend? What would you do?

Listen up, i posted nothing regarding Surrender.

 

[530RL]

It would appear the Europeans are finally clearly understanding current US foreign policy strategy.

“I can easily imagine a situation where the USA will demand Greenland from Denmark and will threaten to deactivate our weapons and let Russia attack us when we refuse

Therefore, buying American weapons is a security risk that we can not run. We must avoid American weapons if at all possible. I encourage our allies and friends to do the same.”

Danish Defence Committee Chairman Regrets F-35 Purchase | TURDEF

Denmark’s Defence Committee Chairman Rasmus Jarlov protests on social media, the F-35 procurement underlining his responsibility over the procurement decision.

turdef.com

 

[monkeyswrench]

Well then, they can buy the Chinese clones? To be fair, the F-35 seems to be a money pit, and not the best investment for a smaller country. This may also be a really good excuse to get out of a previous deal to buy them. The funny thing is though, will they talk this big game, but still buy all the support and maintenance materials for the rest of their armaments? Haven't checked lately on Amazon or Alibaba, but not a lot of F-15 parts last I looked.

The other issue is one that we are facing here, refilling the stock of consumables, anything from propellant to trigger devices. Both Europe and the US sent lots to Ukraine, which were essentially wasted by untrained masses shooting wildly like a South Central gangbanger on a drive-by.

The war machine has already set themselves up for an increase in revenue just based on the DOD new orders to replenish the stores. Sure, they may lose potential sales with the big ticket items, like fighter jets. Not sure of the profit margin on these things, but building fighters takes much longer than any of the the others. Even an MQ-9 probably is assembled and sold much quicker as it's materials are much cheaper, and avionics much more simplistic.

The war machine will be fine. Prostitution may be the oldest profession in the history books, but somewhere along the way someone figure out how to trade rocks and sticks to hurt someone. The rocks and sticks just became much more expensive, and the whores learned to sell them.

 

[530RL]

Well then, they can buy the Chinese clones? To be fair, the F-35 seems to be a money pit, and not the best investment for a smaller country. This may also be a really good excuse to get out of a previous deal to buy them. The funny thing is though, will they talk this big game, but still buy all the support and maintenance materials for the rest of their armaments? Haven't checked lately on Amazon or Alibaba, but not a lot of F-15 parts last I looked.

The other issue is one that we are facing here, refilling the stock of consumables, anything from propellant to trigger devices. Both Europe and the US sent lots to Ukraine, which were essentially wasted by untrained masses shooting wildly like a South Central gangbanger on a drive-by.

The war machine has already set themselves up for an increase in revenue just based on the DOD new orders to replenish the stores. Sure, they may lose potential sales with the big ticket items, like fighter jets. Not sure of the profit margin on these things, but building fighters takes much longer than any of the the others. Even an MQ-9 probably is assembled and sold much quicker as it's materials are much cheaper, and avionics much more simplistic.

The war machine will be fine. Prostitution may be the oldest profession in the history books, but somewhere along the way someone figure out how to trade rocks and sticks to hurt someone. The rocks and sticks just became much more expensive, and the whores learned to sell them.

Plenty of manufacturers in the western hemisphere of both conventional and nuclear programs.

Since the US no longer wishes to remain aligned with its historical allies, America’s historical allies will rationally have no choice but to develop competing conventional and nuclear weaponry for any possible scenario. It would be malpractice by their leadership not to do so.

America’s historical allies are smartly recognizing the reality that America may be on the opposite side of the battlefield in the future.

 

[regor]

America’s historical allies are smartly recognizing the reality that America may be on the opposite side of the battlefield in the future.

Yea, we’re tired of bailing out yore Euro globalhomo friends. Maybe we’ll team up with Vlad and just take Europe. Mass deportation of the muzzies and the people will LOVE us!!!

 

[530RL]

Yea, we’re tired of bailing out yore Euro globalhomos. Maybe we’ll team up with Vlad and just take Europe.

Yep, spot on.

Exactly the risk they understand and must rationally address.

 

[Sandlord]

Plenty of manufacturers in the western hemisphere of both conventional and nuclear programs.

Since the US no longer wishes to remain aligned with its historical allies, America’s historical allies will rationally have no choice but to develop competing conventional and nuclear weaponry for any possible scenario. It would be malpractice by their leadership not to do so.

America’s historical allies are smartly recognizing the reality that America may be on the opposite side of the battlefield in the future.

Its been great watching you go from;

Trump will never win,
He doesn’t have the independent vote,
bla bla bla,

To: its the end of civilization as we know it.

 

[530RL]

Its been great watching you go from;

Trump will never win,
He doesn’t have the independent vote,
bla bla bla,

To: its the end of civilization as we know it.

What?

Not the end of civilization at all.

It is a great time with tons of opportunity. Those with a little get up and a little capital will excel under the current scenario.

It's the beginning of a different America, better for some, worse for others. But whether it is better or worse is solely on the individual. No one to blame but themselves.

And I have never said he could not win, I have stated I would have preferred a conservative. But I am in the minority as you see in here. Government is the solution for the vast majority.

 

[regor]

And I have never said he could not win, I have stated I would have preferred a conservative. But I am in the minority as you see in here. Government is the solution for the vast majority.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA he's doing what you corrupt CONservatives said you'd always do, but never would because yore a bunch of lying faggots..................cut government!!!


ZERO and I mean ZERO credibility!!!

 

[JJ McClure]

I’ll just leave this here…

 

[monkeyswrench]

When it comes down to brass tacks, not one European country would come to our aid when attacked. NATO, as a fighting force, is probably 40% Euro, and 60% American. I've met soldiers from quite a few countries...only 3 of those had soldiers that I would categorize as folks not to mess with. American, Israeli and Russian...don't drink with Russians or Americans without checking liver at the door. Drinking with all three of them is an adventure all on it's own.

I guess that's the difference. No brandy or wine with my level of knowledge. Just people that have been at the gates of hell, and will swap stories over whiskey, vodka and cigars. No caviar at the BBQ's...but they all eat carne asada.

 

[530RL]

When it comes down to brass tacks, not one European country would come to our aid when attacked. NATO, as a fighting force, is probably 40% Euro, and 60% American. I've met soldiers from quite a few countries...only 3 of those had soldiers that I would categorize as folks not to mess with. American, Israeli and Russian...don't drink with Russians or Americans without checking liver at the door. Drinking with all three of them is an adventure all on it's own.

I guess that's the difference. No brandy or wine with my level of knowledge. Just people that have been at the gates of hell, and will swap stories over whiskey, vodka and cigars. No caviar at the BBQ's...but they all eat carne asada.

They did when we were attacked on 9/11.

https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2023/06/20/nato-s-engagement-in-afghanistan-2003-2021-a-planners-perspective/index.html

Afghanistan War | History, Combatants, Facts, & Timeline | Britannica

Afghanistan War, international conflict beginning in 2001 that was triggered by the September 11 attacks. U.S. forces quickly toppled the Taliban (the faction that ruled Afghanistan and provided sanctuary for al-Qaeda) in the first months of the war, only to face years of insurgency led by a...

www.britannica.com

 

[monkeyswrench]

They did when we were attacked on 9/11.

https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2023/06/20/nato-s-engagement-in-afghanistan-2003-2021-a-planners-perspective/index.html

Afghanistan War | History, Combatants, Facts, & Timeline | Britannica

Afghanistan War, international conflict beginning in 2001 that was triggered by the September 11 attacks. U.S. forces quickly toppled the Taliban (the faction that ruled Afghanistan and provided sanctuary for al-Qaeda) in the first months of the war, only to face years of insurgency led by a...

www.britannica.com

For your numbers, as you seem to be a numbers type. I'm admittedly more of an emotional type. Some of these "numbers" are simple digits to some. A handful of them represent individuals who were very real to me. All the numbers represent someone's friend or a family member.

The show of force was by no means an equal contribution. We were struck, so we had more reason. We moved an army around the world, our allied brethren moved a fraction of that a distance less than our soldier moving from Maine to Texas.

The fair and equal response you speak of is a farce. Numbers don't lie, you preach that every day.

Soldiers killed in action in Afghanistan 2001-2021 | Statista

The number of soldiers killed in Afghanistan in 2021 amounted to 13 from the Western coalition, as of October 2021.

www.statista.com

 

[regor]

Europe Rules Out Easing Of Russian Sanctions, Killing Ceasefire Hopes​

'Coalition of the willing' led by Macron & Starmer instead propose increasing sanctions...

THU MAR 27, AT 7:15 AM

 

[530RL]

Europe Rules Out Easing Of Russian Sanctions, Killing Ceasefire Hopes​

'Coalition of the willing' led by Macron & Starmer instead propose increasing sanctions...

THU MAR 27, AT 7:15 AM


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The Europeans understand what is at risk.

Airbus chairman sees ‘strong indications’ an emboldened Putin is mobilizing forces to attack NATO’s eastern flank

Putin may seize the moment to build a strategic land bridge via the Suwałki Gap, which links the Russian ethnic enclave of Kaliningrad to its client state of Belarus.

fortune.com

 

[HotRod82]

I honestly cannot figure out their game plan. Ukraine is losing ground by the day. They are in no position to negotiate anything. The only way Russia loses this ground war is if the EU puts boots on the ground. If this actually happens, Russia will vaporize Berlin, Paris, and London within 30 minutes of the first rocket.......There is no way Putin, at this stage of his life, will accept being defeated.
At this point, I hope Russia and Putin just leaves us out of the mayhem. We really are on the brink of WW3.

 

[regor]

The Europeans understand what is at risk.

Airbus chairman sees ‘strong indications’ an emboldened Putin is mobilizing forces to attack NATO’s eastern flank

Putin may seize the moment to build a strategic land bridge via the Suwałki Gap, which links the Russian ethnic enclave of Kaliningrad to its client state of Belarus.

fortune.com

If you continue to force his hand, yea he'll keep pushing.

 

[530RL]

I honestly cannot figure out their game plan. Ukraine is losing ground by the day. They are in no position to negotiate anything. The only way Russia loses this ground war is if the EU puts boots on the ground. If this actually happens, Russia will vaporize Berlin, Paris, and London within 30 minutes of the first rocket.......There is no way Putin, at this stage of his life, will accept being defeated.
At this point, I hope Russia and Putin just leaves us out of the mayhem. We really are on the brink of WW3.

What would you do if you were Ukraine or a Ukrainian?

 

[530RL]

If you continue to force his hand, yea he'll keep pushing.

Since the US administration is green lighting his ambitions, no reason for him not to.

 

[regor]

Since the US administration is green lighting his ambitions, no reason for him not to.

We align with Putin more than with you and yore Euro globalhomo friends, so go ahead and clutch yore pearls and yell it from the rooftops!!! I'm sure all the imbeciles will listen.

You all took yore shot at the King and missed, there's a price for that.

 

[Sandlord]

What would you do if you were Ukraine or a Ukrainian?

What would you do?

 

[PlanB]

There is no way Ukraine can win. Their only hope is to negotiate an end to the war which will mean concessions. If the EU want to keep the war going, they can pay for it. Like stated above, if the EU wants to force Putin's hand, they might start WW3. Russia will never walk away from Ukraine, so a negotiated peace is the only way this ends without sucking the rest of the world into the conflict.