Russia and Ukraine

[PlanB]

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Should have a Hellfire from a Reaper drone pay him a visit.

 

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[regor]

Fag boi is fucked.

"The situation (for Ukraine in Kursk) is very bad. Now there is not much left until Ukrainian forces will either be encircled or forced to withdraw. And withdrawal would mean running a dangerous gauntlet, where the forces would be constantly threatened by Russian drones and artillery."

 

[monkeyswrench]

Fag boi is fucked.

"The situation (for Ukraine in Kursk) is very bad. Now there is not much left until Ukrainian forces will either be encircled or forced to withdraw. And withdrawal would mean running a dangerous gauntlet, where the forces would be constantly threatened by Russian drones and artillery."

They've been flanked to the north and south now for several months. I don't know what the strategy is for either side really.

 

[HNL2LHC]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1898564559570358410

 

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They've been flanked to the north and south now for several months. I don't know what the strategy is for either side really.

The French are en route to show em what to do.

 

[TPC]

Hold the thought the Crimea was invaded with Obama in office.
Zelensky likes to blame Trump and liberals were and still are buying into it.
Those past remarks ain't helping him now, nor Zelensky holding back corruption evidence and that was a key reason Biden got reelected.

No one wants Ukraine to lose, but the hard reality is at what cost?
What human cost? On our dime?

We have bills to pay.

6.000.000 Army-age Ukrainian men left Ukraine avoiding the war. Remember that. Six Million go the news reports.

Trump has tried the soft-sell approach to Russia for negotiations with patronizing and it's not going to work.
Selfish Russians will always behave like selfish Russians.
They had their chance. Hold that thought as it gets more ugly.

Mao once said Russia will always be a cruel, brutal, stupid people.
Evidently so.

 

[Racey]

They've been flanked to the north and south now for several months. I don't know what the strategy is for either side really.

Russia justs wants to secure a land bridge to crimea and their naval base in sevastapol, that's it. That's all it's ever been. It just so happens that land bridge runs right through the area that is ethnically Russian, speaks Russian, practices Russian Orthodox religion, and was already in a civil war with Kyiv going back to 2014.

 

[Pelon]

Russia justs wants to secure a land bridge to crimea and their naval base in sevastapol, that's it. That's all it's ever been. It just so happens that land bridge runs right through the area that is ethnically Russian, speaks Russian, practices Russian Orthodox religion, and was already in a civil war with Kyiv going back to 2014.

Agreed! Russia did not invade Crimea, they were already there. Russia had annexed Crimea in the late 1700's. It was given to Ukraine to govern in the 1950's when it was part of the USSR. It never stopped being de facto Russian!

 

[regor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1898599840231391550

@530RL

 

[530RL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1898599840231391550

@530RL

Given America has chosen to cede its leadership role in the world to China and Russia, there is no reason to be in NATO.

Mr. Lee makes a valid suggestion consistent with the new American foreign policy.

 

[Doc]

Given America has chosen to cede its leadership role in the world to China and Russia, there is no reason to be in NATO.

Mr. Lee makes a valid suggestion consistent with the new American foreign policy.

It's not a leadership role that's being retracted here, it's the financial burden that America gets into with these other countries with little to no return. Trump limiting the spending and also demanding payment for "policing" the rest of the world is not to much to ask for. Let's not forget the men and women sent over seas doing the job and taking the risk.

It's clear and been shown what the world did under Trump's first administration and what risks they were willing to take vs the moment the Biden administration came in, it was almost a 180 from them.

 

[regor]

Given America has chosen to cede its leadership role in the world to China and Russia, there is no reason to be in NATO.

Mr. Lee makes a valid suggestion consistent with the new American foreign policy.

“How is Europe going to buy our junk, now that the government can’t subsidize them anymore?”

Globalhomo extraordinaire……..

 

[530RL]

It's not a leadership role that's being retracted here, it's the financial burden that America gets into with these other countries with little to no return. Trump limiting the spending and also demanding payment for "policing" the rest of the world is not to much to ask for. Let's not forget the men and women sent over seas doing the job and taking the risk.

It's clear and been shown what the world did under Trump's first administration and what risks they were willing to take vs the moment the Biden administration came in, it was almost a 180 from them.

I don’t understand how engaging in economic policies and rhetoric that drives the EU, Canada and Mexico away from America and towards China is leadership.

But let’s see how our economy performs over the next several years. It will be an easy objective measurement.

 

[Doc]

I don’t understand how engaging in economic policies that drive the EU, Canada and Mexico away from America and towards China is leadership.

But let’s see how our economy performs over the next several years. It will be an easy objective measurement.

The topic was about Russia and Ukraine not trade policies?!?! Unless you were trying to quote Regors last statement maybe?

 

[530RL]

The topic was about Russia and Ukraine not trade policies?!?! Unless you were trying to quote Regors last statement maybe?

With respect to Ukraine, even you would agree that American has completely ceded its leadership role in that situation.

 

[Doc]

With respect to Ukraine, even you would agree that American has completely ceded its leadership role in that situation.

I think America has stopped the gravy train to Ukraine, yes of course. Let's be honest here though, what actions besides sending money and weapons did the Biden Administration do to help resolve the issue? They put some sanctions on Russia yes, what did that do for economic trade since you brought it up? Aside from that zero real negotiations took place because again, let's be honest, Biden wasn't capable of doing it and second, wether you want to agree or not that was a 350billion dollar money laundering scheme.

 

[530RL]

I think America has stopped the gravy train to Ukraine, yes of course. Let's be honest here though, what actions besides sending money and weapons did the Biden Administration do to help resolve the issue? They put some sanctions on Russia yes, what did that do for economic trade since you brought it up? Aside from that zero real negotiations took place because again, let's be honest, Biden wasn't capable of doing it and second, wether you want to agree or not that was a 350billion dollar money laundering scheme.

I think the problem is that American didn’t send them 350 billion dollars. That is a flat out made up number to raise anger in the ignorant. And some keep repeating it fully knowing it is a lie.

But putting that aside, funding, even funding previously passed into law by the legislative branch, has been cut off and American leadership has openly taken the side of Russia to include stating that Ukraine started the war, stopped sending intelligence so that Ukraine can defend itself, renounced America’s obligation under Article 5 of NATO if the war expanded to NATO countries and other measures designed to cede the leadership of America and leave it to the European continent as a European problem.

With respect to Biden not being capable, that is certainly a proveable fact as he did not end it, but at the same time the current President stated it would be over the day after the election or at least before he was even sworn in. And to date he has failed and has now publicly abandoned Ukraine for Russia.

 

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[4Waters]

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What ever happened to that guy?

 

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[Doc]

I think the problem is that American didn’t send them 350 billion dollars. That is a flat out made up number to raise anger in the ignorant. And some keep repeating it fully knowing it is a lie.

But putting that aside, funding, even funding previously passed into law by the legislative branch, has been cut off and American leadership has openly taken the side of Russia to include stating that Ukraine started the war, stopped sending intelligence so that Ukraine can defend itself, renounced America’s obligation under Article 5 of NATO if the war expanded to NATO countries and other measures designed to cede the leadership of America and leave it to the European continent as a European problem.

With respect to Biden not being capable, that is certainly a proveable fact as he did not end it, but at the same time the current President stated it would be over the day after the election or at least before he was even sworn in. And to date he has failed and has now publicly abandoned Ukraine for Russia.

I don't care if it's 350 or 175 billion plus 55ish billion in military aid, the point is we've spent a ton have we not?

Cutting off funding does not mean we are supporting the other side, that is ignorant in anger. When we start funding Russia, lift sanctions, send them military support you've proven me wrong. Let me give you a example, maybe not the best but an attempt. If a good friend or relative came to you and said can you please loan me money I'm in a bad position and you do it not once but multiple times because that person came up with a bunch of different excuses only to find out that that money was used to fund a gambling or drug addiction do you keep loaning that person money or do you cut them off?

Yes, Trump did say he would end it in 24 hours lol. Anyone with a glimpse of logic knows that wasn't going to happen in a day. Russia is sitting tight because they know Trump isn't going to support Ukraine like Biden did so what's their reason to jump to resolve this conflict. This is why many speculate Nato and rest of the world is pushing for WWIII. Ton's of money to be laundered I mean spent and they get to blame Trump for it. If it escalates I think Trump is going to remind Russia that he will not stand for it like he did the first time without directly supporting Ukraine. They want Trump to strike so they can keep calling Hitler/dictator and all the other bs they come up with.

 

[530RL]

I don't care if it's 350 or 175 billion plus 55ish billion in military aid, the point is we've spent a ton have we not?

Cutting off funding does not mean we are supporting the other side, that is ignorant in anger. When we start funding Russia, lift sanctions, send them military support you've proven me wrong. Let me give you a example, maybe not the best but an attempt. If a good friend or relative came to you and said can you please loan me money I'm in a bad position and you do it not once but multiple times because that person came up with a bunch of different excuses only to find out that that money was used to fund a gambling or drug addiction do you keep loaning that person money or do you cut them off?

Yes, Trump did say he would end it in 24 hours lol. Anyone with a glimpse of logic knows that wasn't going to happen in a day. Russia is sitting tight because they know Trump isn't going to support Ukraine like Biden did so what's their reason to jump to resolve this conflict. This is why many speculate Nato and rest of the world is pushing for WWIII. Ton's of money to be laundered I mean spent and they get to blame Trump for it. If it escalates I think Trump is going to remind Russia that he will not stand for it like he did the first time without directly supporting Ukraine. They want Trump to strike so they can keep calling Hitler/dictator and all the other bs they come up with.

I agree that simply cutting off funding is not supporting the other side. But his other words and actions are direct support for them.

Trump isn’t going to do a thing. He has green lit both Russia and China to do as they please. They know It, and all our former allies know it. That is why they are so rightfully worried.

It’s up to China and Russia now. America is out. We have ceded our historical role to others.

And quite frankly, that is exactly what the MAGA voters want. America First isn’t something new, it existed prior to WWII also.

 

[regor]

It’s up to China and Russia now. America is out. We have ceded our historical role to others.

And quite frankly, that is exactly what the MAGA voters want. America First isn’t something new, it existed prior to WWII also.

I’ll tell you what lil globalist, how about you faggots give us back the trillions of dollars you corrupt fucking money changers grifted off the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which did absolutely ZERO good for us or the region, not to mention the millions you killed and maimed?

Once that occurs, then we’ll talk about yore faggot ass elite friends in Europe.

 

[Doc]

I agree that simply cutting off funding is not supporting the other side. But his other words and actions are direct support for them.

Trump isn’t going to do a thing. He has green lit both Russia and China to do as they please. They know It, and all our former allies know it. That is why they are so rightfully worried.

It’s up to China and Russia now. America is out. We have ceded our historical role to others.

And quite frankly, that is exactly what the MAGA voters want. America First isn’t something new, it existed prior to WWII also.

If what you say is true then Russia and China would have escalated the situation a week ago.

I'm sorry, respectfully you don't have a clue what the MAGA voter wants. I'll tell you what most people want and I think I can speak for most in here. We want OUR government to stop with corruption and espionage. We want OUR government to stop spending money and sending it abroad or on illegals so that the working class isn't taxed into the ground and put last when needed. We want people to win and achieve on merits not based on race or gender. I can keep going but you get the point, and just those few things I noted is why Trump got back into office because the opposite was tried and it did nothing but tear down this nation piece by piece.

 

[Racey]

I’ll tell you what lil globalist, how about you faggots give us back the trillions of dollars you corrupt fucking money changers grifted off the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which did absolutely ZERO good for us or the region, not to mention the millions you killed and maimed?

Once that occurs, then we’ll talk about yore faggot ass elite friends in Europe.

Or give these morons a plane ticket and a rifle when they land in Ukraine if it's ao damn important....

These dorks are so eager to engage in war but would piss their little pants the second their boots hit the ground if they had to fight.

 

[530RL]

If what you say is true then Russia and China would have escalated the situation a week ago.

I'm sorry, respectfully you don't have a clue what the MAGA voter wants. I'll tell you what most people want and I think I can speak for most in here. We want OUR government to stop with corruption and espionage. We want OUR government to stop spending money and sending it abroad or on illegals so that the working class isn't taxed into the ground and put last when needed. We want people to win and achieve on merits not based on race or gender. I can keep going but you get the point, and just those few things I noted is why Trump got back into office because the opposite was tried and it did nothing but tear down this nation piece by piece.

Russia and China will be strategic. No reason to rush as they have four years. With respect to Ukraine specifically, Russia has escalated.

They have both been gifted a great opportunity to build economic ties with Canada, Mexico and the EU now that has never existed before.

With respect to what you state is desired, it is an interesting choice for policy and leadership, given your list.

Time will tell. Most of your list can be objectively measured.

 

[rmarion]

 

[t&y]

Lol... Ummmmmm @rmarion read the last "Supports Ukraine" then your sig line

 

[rmarion]

Lol... Ummmmmm @rmarion read the last "Supports Ukraine" then your sig line

TY

That RDP position is still open... LOL

 

[monkeyswrench]

Mark Kelley goes to Ukraine...his 3rd visit. The illegitimate son of Yoda wants to see how much our funding cuts hurt the people there...

Of course, right after he leaves, Ukraine orders the largest drone attack they've done, on Moscow proper. A few civilians dead, at least one apartment building destroyed. As always, Russia didn't mention loss of military personnel. Never been to Moscow, so I don't know how close the hit apartments were to important things.

Then Zelensky released a statement stating this will continue until Russia agrees to the Ukrainian conditions.

Mark Kelley released a statement yesterday saying Zelensky is "dedicated to ending the war"

Well now, I have trouble believing anyone on "our" side or the opposition. Honestly, the lines are blurred, as it seems everyone in power is the opposition.

 

[t&y]

Mark Kelley goes to Ukraine...his 3rd visit. The illegitimate son of Yoda wants to see how much our funding cuts hurt the people there...

Of course, right after he leaves, Ukraine orders the largest drone attack they've done, on Moscow proper. A few civilians dead, at least one apartment building destroyed. As always, Russia didn't mention loss of military personnel. Never been to Moscow, so I don't know how close the hit apartments were to important things.

Then Zelensky released a statement stating this will continue until Russia agrees to the Ukrainian conditions.

Mark Kelley released a statement yesterday saying Zelensky is "dedicated to ending the war"

Well now, I have trouble believing anyone on "our" side or the opposition. Honestly, the lines are blurred, as it seems everyone in power is the opposition.

Unfortunately, at this point the Libturd and Super Duper Ultra Conservative machine in Washington will do anything and everything they can to keep that war going, just so they can use it against Trump and the Republican party in the mid-terms, then the next presidential election.

I'm betting a large portion of the money that was funneled into NGO's after they lost the election is making its way over there one way or another. Local pockets have to be filled first of course. The timing of this visit and then the attack are not just merely a coincidence.

 

[rmarion]

HHHHHHMMMMM

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[regor]

WSJ's Chief Foreign Correspondent Declares It's Over For Ukraine In Kursk​

Soldiers filmed unfurling a Russian flag in Sudzha center...

WED MAR 12, AT 9:59 AM


If I was Vlad, I'd go scorched Earth on those motherfuckers now.

If I was Trump, I'd let him.

 

[Cole 392]

MSNBC: “Ukrainians more American than we are”

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1898760122752471548

 

[monkeyswrench]

MSNBC: “Ukrainians more American than we are”

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1898760122752471548

Who TF is baldy? JrMint needs to spend time on the front with his "noble" Ukrainian comrades...or maybe just a few days in the hood.

 

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[rcmike]

, renounced America’s obligation under Article 5 of NATO if the war expanded to NATO countries.

That is a flat out made lie to raise anger in the ignorant. And some keep repeating it fully knowing it is a lie.

Trump never said this, and you know it. What he did, was question why we should be bound to a treaty where the other signatories are ignoring their obligations. Your interpretation about his statements is not a withdrawal.

 

[rcmike]

The person who created the coup that led to the 2014 war and eventually got the comedian installed as Ukranian president wants to make sure we keep the war going, so the dying will end... it's fucking Babylon bee level shit.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1900276325342134780

 

[4Waters]

Trump never said this, and you know it. What he did, was question why we should be bound to a treaty where the other signatories are ignoring their obligations. Your interpretation about his statements is not a withdrawal.

His interpretation is spot on because he is a liberal therefore he is always right

 

[Q4mtxUS]

The person who created the coup that led to the 2014 war and eventually got the comedian installed as Ukranian president wants to make sure we keep the war going, so the dying will end... it's fucking Babylon bee level shit.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1900276325342134780

And he’s a terrible comedian and a horrible actor. Really, an all around horrible human

 

[HNL2LHC]

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@HBCraig Someone is going after you customers. You are going to have to kick it up a notch!!!

 

[530RL]

Trump never said this, and you know it. What he did, was question why we should be bound to a treaty where the other signatories are ignoring their obligations. Your interpretation about his statements is not a withdrawal.

“If they don’t pay, I’m not going to defend them. No, I’m not going to defend them,”

That is a clear repudiation of Article 5. I’m not sure how much more clear it could be.

 

[Sandlord]

Article 5 is obligatory, but not mandatory.

 

[SNiC Jet]

“If they don’t pay, I’m not going to defend them. No, I’m not going to defend them,”

Liberals, always looking for a Free Ride
The days of not paying your fair share and mooching off the U.S. are over.

 

[monkeyswrench]

“If they don’t pay, I’m not going to defend them. No, I’m not going to defend them,”

That is a clear repudiation of Article 5. I’m not sure how much more clear it could be.

As some would say, actions over words. As with any politician, right or left, their words don't really mean much.
If France, Germany or England were attacked by the Big, Bad Putin, I have no doubt the US would respond in kind.

Unfortunately, people seem to think somehow that Ukraine is a NATO member. If one really looked at what seems to be going on, NATO countries are bribing non-NATO countries that border Russia. They tell them they can become a member of their club if they do certain things. In reality, they don't want them to join...they are more useful as proxies.

The US uses it's NATO financial backing in much the same way as NATO countries do with fledgling countries. It would be consider racketeering if small time gangsters did it. We help fund NATO defense at a higher percentage, and gain better trade deals. A "protection" scam, but with trillions of dollars at play. It's pretty slick, as the people footing the bill haven't a clue, and the major profits are made by those with no direct connections.

 

[530RL]

As some would say, actions over words. As with any politician, right or left, their words don't really mean much.
If France, Germany or England were attacked by the Big, Bad Putin, I have no doubt the US would respond in kind.

Unfortunately, people seem to think somehow that Ukraine is a NATO member. If one really looked at what seems to be going on, NATO countries are bribing non-NATO countries that border Russia. They tell them they can become a member of their club if they do certain things. In reality, they don't want them to join...they are more useful as proxies.

The US uses it's NATO financial backing in much the same way as NATO countries do with fledgling countries. It would be consider racketeering if small time gangsters did it. We help fund NATO defense at a higher percentage, and gain better trade deals. A "protection" scam, but with trillions of dollars at play. It's pretty slick, as the people footing the bill haven't a clue, and the major profits are made by those with no direct connections.

When you say ”respond in kind”, I assume you mean support Russia in their aggression as we are now doing in Ukraine?

 

[Smitty7]

When you say ”respond in kind”, I assume you mean support Russia in their aggression as we are now doing in Ukraine?

Now we are supporting Russia ? Good , this should be over quick then . Can we make a minerals deal we them to get some of our money back ?

 

[530RL]

Now we are supporting Russia ? Good , this should be over quick then . Can we make a minerals deal we them to get some of our money back ?

Unfortunately, the majority of the minerals that would be of value to the US lie in Ukrainian geographies the administration has proposed ceding to Russia.