Diesel big rigs going by by 2036

[DLC]

Not sure if this was already posted ….

prices Are going up! Everything is going to cost more and take longer to get to where it’s going….

I don’t see how this can be a good thing, Hiw many big rigs are battery powered - Today? What percentage….

CARB - needs to go away!!

$26.5 Billion in health benefits….. Really any stats that back that? Or is that a PROJECTION

2042 ZERO EMISSION for Big Rigs…. What’s next on the chopping block?

all food, all material supplies, any type on road transport - bulk transport like milk from a dairy, or gasoline to a fuel station will all be electric

 

[DLC]

California approves banning diesel truck sales by 2036

The California Air Resources Board passed rules on Friday to end the sales of trucks that run on diesel by 2036 as start of the state's push toward full zero-emissions tech by 2045.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Andy B.]

Not going to work they can't even get a 1/2 ton truck to pull more than 100 miles what do you think Is going to happen with 80,000lbs?????

 

[hallett21]

Grand standing. No way this works in reality

 

[Yldboyz]

The batteries will weight more than the load.

 

[rrrr]

Not sure if this was already posted ….

prices Are going up! Everything is going to cost more and take longer to get to where it’s going….

I don’t see how this can be a good thing, Hiw many big rigs are battery powered - Today? What percentage….

CARB - needs to go away!!

$26.5 Billion in health benefits….. Really any stats that back that? Or is that a PROJECTION

2042 ZERO EMISSION for Big Rigs…. What’s next on the chopping block?

all food, all material supplies, any type on road transport - bulk transport like milk from a dairy, or gasoline to a fuel station will all be electric


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I'm sure trucking companies will build huge depots just across the California border so they can swap trailers from Class 8 diesel tractors to electric models. That won't cause any economic disruption, right?

You forgot to add the part that says diesel locomotives will have to meet pollution restrictions by 2030 and will be banned by 2045.

The stupidity of the politicians making these fucking ridiculous laws is astounding. Trucks and trains from 47 states other than California, Mexico, and Canada haul massive amounts of goods to and from California. Do these idiots even consider the laws will devastate the state's economy and cause massive unemployment?

Think about battery powered locomotives hauling frieght over the Sierras and Donner Pass. It's ridiculous. Insane. I don't have the time to type all.of the adjectives that describe the stupidity of this.

 

[81Sprint]

Not to worry, the electrical grid in Commiefornia should handle it no problem!

 

[monkeyswrench]

The only way it would be possible would require either overhead power supplies or in ground like a slot car. The main thoroughfares being supplied, and then the tucks having batteries to make it to drop points.
Good luck with that.

Now, seeing as though many libs in government are in bed with the Chinese, and they don't give 2 fuks, I think there is a better chance of the future "liberation" of Cali by the Chinese. This whole country's going to shit...California is just trying to hit the iceberg first

 

[Backlash]

CARB needs to go. Period, plain and simple.

 

[DLC]

The crazy ness is also compounded by weather, windy, Hot and extremely cold conditions…..

Batteries don’t last! And How long will a recharge take to top off

 

[Bpracing1127]

The crazy ness is also compounded by weather, windy, Hot and extremely cold conditions…..

Batteries don’t last! And How long will a recharge take to top off

for a truck with say 500 mile range on batteries, several hours

the tech doesnt exist yet for this type of mandate nor the infrastructure

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

for a truck with say 500 mile range on batteries, several hours

the tech doesnt exist yet for this type of mandate nor the infrastructure

Tell that to some of the guys in the Rivian thread .

 

[DLC]

carb needs to be revamped and just go away!

What Happens to all the batteries?

how do those get recycled - send back to China LIKE the plastic bottle…

 

[DLC]

500 miles Range all while stuck in traffic stop / go, bumper to bumper is going to suck up a ton of energy out of those batteries

Ca is going to have the Cleanest air quality with out any one living here to pay for all the cool shit and nice weather…

 

[Bpracing1127]

Tell that to some of the guys in the Rivian thread .

Hahaha that thread is off the rails.

I still dont understand why anyone supports this electric car bs. Even more so in a truck

 

[DLC]

Hahaha that thread is off the rails.

I still dont understand why anyone supports this electric car bs. Even more so in a truck

The technology isn’t there yet but They keep forcing Us into it….

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Not going to work they can't even get a 1/2 ton truck to pull more than 100 miles what do you think Is going to happen with 80,000lbs?????

2 9k lb batteries to get 1 day's range estimated...what is the bigger farce in all of this is there is NO infrastructure to handle the charging...a single facility to charge 30 of these trucks will use more power than small cities do. The push for this is ridiculous in everyday. I could see them for yard trucks etc...but this is not going to be feasible even in my lifetime.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

2 9k lb batteries to get 1 day's range estimated...what is the bigger farce in all of this is there is NO infrastructure to handle the charging...a single facility to charge 30 of these trucks will use more power than small cities do. The push for this is ridiculous in everyday. I could see them for yard trucks etc...but this is not going to be feasible even in my lifetime.

But the sun...

The tyranny of the stupid marches on.

 

[River Runnin]

FUK! That! --- They should stop ALL Big rigs from operating in Kommiefornia in 60 days!

 

[Backlash]

The technology isn’t there yet but They keep forcing Us into it….

If people start putting their foot down and start saying "No," things might change. I'm holding out and doing whatever I can.....

 

[MK1MOD0]

If people start putting their foot down and start saying "No," things might change. I'm holding out and doing whatever I can.....

Unfortunately, the sheep all agree with their masters. Ughhhh....... I just can’t believe the idiocy in this state .

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I don’t think CA is going to be transporting gasoline in the state either after 2035.

Starve the ICE vehicles out of existence and force everyone to buy electric or ride the electric bus.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don’t think CA is going to be transporting gasoline in the state either after 2035.

Starve the ICE vehicles out of existence and force everyone to buy electric or ride the electric bus.

That cant happen. There is not and will not be enough charging in 12 years.

 

[MK1MOD0]

I don’t think CA is going to be transporting gasoline in the state either after 2035.

Starve the ICE vehicles out of existence and force everyone to buy electric or ride the electric bus.

Truth is.... the global cabal wants to rid the world of private vehicles. Bus, train or walk you peasants.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Truth is.... the global cabal wants to rid the world of private vehicles. Bus, train or walk you peasants.

remote kill switch...makes lockdowns easy to enforce...

 

[81Sprint]

remote kill switch...makes lockdowns easy to enforce...

Exactly why I won't buy an electric vehicle.

 

[timstoy]

When is Air Force One going green? Lead by example! And while we’re at it make John Kerry’s plane electric also!

 

[rrrr]

for a truck with say 500 mile range on batteries, several hours

the tech doesnt exist yet for this type of mandate nor the infrastructure

I'd say 8+ hours, and that's using a charger that doesn't exist and at this time none are planned to be built. The Class 8 rig weight limit is 80,000 lbs. That's 20 times the weight of a Tesla, and they take several hours to charge.

Speaking of charging, not only will operators have to replace their diesel equipment, they will incur huge expenses installing chargers at their yards. Think of a distribution center with 100+ docks, and each one requiring a three phase circuit with capacity of hundreds of amps. That's going to be an expenditure of millions of dollars.

Then when the new feeders are run to the edge of the property, what are they going to connect to?

This was really well thought out by the geniuses in Sacramento.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I'd say 8+ hours, and that's using a charger that doesn't exist and at this time none are planned to be built. The Class 8 rig weight limit is 80,000 lbs. That's 20 times the weight of a Tesla, and they take several hours to charge.

Speaking of charging, not only will operators have to replace their diesel equipment, they will incur huge expenses installing chargers at their yards. Think of a distribution center with 100+ docks, and each one requiring a three phase circuit with capacity of hundreds of amps. That's going to be an expenditure of millions of dollars.

Then when the new feeders are run to the edge of the property, what are they going to connect to?

This was really well thought out by the geniuses in Sacramento.

Yep totally. They have no clue

 

[rrrr]

Yep totally. They have no clue

And I forgot to mention the weight of the battery powering the tractor will easily reduce the 42,000 lb cargo carrying capacity of Class 8 rigs by more than 15%. The weight savings by replacing the diesel engine will be negligible. The transmission and running gear will remain essentially the same.

This nonsense will raise the per mile cost of carrying freight in California by somewhere around 25% by my calculations.

 

[Your ad here]

This is the classic case of the frog in the boiling pot of water. You know, put the frog in when the water is cold and gradually turn the heat up and frog will never notice being cooked alive. Throw the frog in boiling water and it will jump out right away. Anyways, this is what California is doing with the trucks. First it was you can keep an old truck and retrofit it with an exhaust filter. Then it turned into you can only register a truck to a certain calendar year and not anymore after that, based on it's model year, maybe engine model year as well. Then it was you get a tier 4 final truck and it can be a forever truck in Ca. Now they are banning the sale of diesel trucks and proposing all fleets to be what is it, 50% electric vehicles? If they proposed this ban on selling trucks and 50% electric fleet 20 years ago it wouldn't have gotten anywhere. But since CARB slowly made more and more rules, here you Californians are. The shit I thought was unreal but go figure, truck drivers, is the news interviewed truck drivers and most were in favor of the diesel truck ban and to have electric powered trucks. Dumbasses don't even realize they'll be out of a job. Same shit is happening in the OHV world but thank God the OHV people have brains.

 

[rrrr]

The shit I thought was unreal but go figure, truck drivers, is the news interviewed truck drivers and most were in favor of the diesel truck ban and to have electric powered trucks. Dumbasses don't even realize they'll be out of a job. Same shit is happening in the OHV world but thank God the OHV people have brains.

They're just being smart. Saying something against the lemming march to a green new LGBTQ+ world will get you fired and blacklisted.

 

[CLdrinker]

The utilities are already using the EV semi’s and they work great.

 

[Boat 405]

Not gonna happen.... At this point its nothing but fear porn

 

[06lbz]

I just talked to a guy yesterday who works in the ports, and his company has a few of the new cabover Nikola ones. He said they take 2 hours to charge and have a range of 330 miles. He said the charging system alone was 100k.

 

[River Runnin]

He said the charging system alone was 100k.

NewSCUM should luv that!

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

So, honest question. Many of us have battery powered tools. When we want to use them we slap a battery pack into them and then go to work. If we’re smart, our second battery is already in the charger so when the first one dies we swap it and keep on working while the first pack starts the charging process.

Why wouldn’t this work for any EV vehicles? You wouldn’t “own” the battery pack, it’s just a commodity item that gets swapped out at a charging station while you’re given a charged one and go on your way. No waiting hours for charging.

This would even work for the semis.

Someone would just need to invent the system that like Ironman, extracts the battery from the vehicle when you drive over it, takes it away for charging while brining a charged one up from below and slots it in and installs it and you’re done.

It would also require global cooperation of a standard or standards for battery pack size and charge a lot like having different size Duracells. Just replace and go.

Obviously no car company that doesn’t set the standard themselves is going to want to be held to that standard imposed on them, but this was the exact same problem we had when electrical distribution and use in residential/commercial was all hashed out 100 years ago.

Too much sense for a post on RDP?

 

[Bpracing1127]

So, honest question. Many of us have battery powered tools. When we want to use them we slap a battery pack into them and then go to work. If we’re smart, our second battery is already in the charger so when the first one dies we swap it and keep on working while the first pack starts the charging process.

Why wouldn’t this work for any EV vehicles? You wouldn’t “own” the battery pack, it’s just a commodity item that gets swapped out at a charging station while you’re given a charged one and go on your way. No waiting hours for charging.

This would even work for the semis.

Someone would just need to invent the system that like Ironman, extracts the battery from the vehicle when you drive over it, takes it away for charging while brining a charged one up from below and slots it in and installs it and you’re done.

It would also require global cooperation of a standard or standards for battery pack size and charge a lot like having different size Duracells. Just replace and go.

Obviously no car company that doesn’t set the standard themselves is going to want to be held to that standard imposed on them, but this was the exact same problem we had when electrical distribution and use in residential/commercial was all hashed out 100 years ago.

Too much sense for a post on RDP?

Not at all. The problem is the ROI isn’t there for most types of business. When I was in the forklift business with lithium batteries that the lead acid did such that and it was a selling point to go away from it and to just one battery.

Most big distribution warehouses that use lead acid still use 3 batteries for one 24 hour shift. The down time and storage was incredible. Now forklift business is different but there is a ton of mechanics to work out. These lithium batteries for trucks will weigh close to 7k lbs or so. So it ls going to take a forklift to remove them. The connections would have to be standardized as well as the pack themselves to use in any make/model truck.

Some points to think about

Who owns the battery
What happens if you get a bad battery and you are stuck with perishable goods? Who is responsible
Who changes the battery
Who charges the battery
Insurance on batteries for things like fires?

As I mentioned the ROI isn’t there for that scenario today.

One last point lithium hates cold weather. Mileage will be severely reduced in cold climate for battery heaters. Storage would have to be indoors in upper Midwest where it’s cold.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

I'm sure trucking companies will build huge depots just across the California border so they can swap trailers from Class 8 diesel tractors to electric models. That won't cause any economic disruption, right?

You forgot to add the part that says diesel locomotives will have to meet pollution restrictions by 2030 and will be banned by 2045.

The stupidity of the politicians making these fucking ridiculous laws is astounding. Trucks and trains from 47 states other than California, Mexico, and Canada haul massive amounts of goods to and from California. Do these idiots even consider the laws will devastate the state's economy and cause massive unemployment?

Think about battery powered locomotives hauling frieght over the Sierras and Donner Pass. It's ridiculous. Insane. I don't have the time to type all.of the adjectives that describe the stupidity of this.

This ^

They already have plans for MASSIVE charging stations at the state line on I10 in blythe

 

[bonesfab]

I think all the people that they let out of the state hospitals went to work for carb. They are literally insane with what they come up with. If they ever had a job in the real world of reality they might have a clue. And you think electricity is expensive now?

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Not at all. The problem is the ROI isn’t there for most types of business. When I was in the forklift business with lithium batteries that the lead acid did such that and it was a selling point to go away from it and to just one battery.

Most big distribution warehouses that use lead acid still use 3 batteries for one 24 hour shift. The down time and storage was incredible. Now forklift business is different but there is a ton of mechanics to work out. These lithium batteries for trucks will weigh close to 7k lbs or so. So it ls going to take a forklift to remove them. The connections would have to be standardized as well as the pack themselves to use in any make/model truck.

Some points to think about

Who owns the battery
What happens if you get a bad battery and you are stuck with perishable goods? Who is responsible
Who changes the battery
Who charges the battery
Insurance on batteries for things like fires?

As I mentioned the ROI isn’t there for that scenario today.

One last point lithium hates cold weather. Mileage will be severely reduced in cold climate for battery heaters. Storage would have to be indoors in upper Midwest where it’s cold.

Well, think about those car washes where you go on the mechanical carpet ride. The “battery changing station” could be just like that for consumer vehicles. And if it’s an indoor facility it can keep the batteries warm in the cold winters until installed in the vehicles.

As for who owns the battery, the charging stations would own them. You’re given one when you buy the vehicle at the dealership and it gets you your trade in at the charging stations.

Batteries are tracked by age and cell health and taken out of service by the charging stations when it’s questionable. They can also record which cars they have been used in by associating the license plate with the battery as it gets used for tracking and understanding battery lifetimes and efficiency.

All predicated on a battery and charging technology that doesn’t yet exist but when it does may be something like this. And assuming we’ve killed all the lawyers by then…

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

I think all the people that they let out of the state hospitals went to work for carb. They are literally insane with what they come up with. If they ever had a job in the real world of reality they might have a clue. And you think electricity is expensive now?

Very well said.

 

[beerrun]

You guys are only talking about the trucks what about the truck pulling the refer trailer with produce or ice cream or meat

 

[Sharky]

You guys are only talking about the trucks what about the truck pulling the refer trailer with produce or ice cream or meat

Lefty Kalifornia politicians did not think about that. It would require common sense and at least an 8th grade science class.

Lefty politicians have neither.

 

[Singleton]

Well the cost of everything just went up again in CA with this BS rule by CARB.
CARB is doing a great job of killing tax revenue. About the only thing CARB is good at doing.

 

[brgrcru]

I think they have the year wrong it’s 3036 .
Thankfully I’ll be dead .

 

[DaveC]

I don’t know the math on this maybe someone does….but I was watching a documentary that discussed a large trucking operation that will have several hundred electric trucks will have a demand for power that is tremendous. So large it will exceed the local utilities capacity…..


I guess they haven’t thought this through too well

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Obviously no car company that doesn’t set the standard themselves is going to want to be held to that standard imposed on them, but this was the exact same problem we had when electrical distribution and use in residential/commercial was all hashed out 100 years ago.

Distribution and the electrical grid is nothing shy of a dumpster fire right now...It has been for a long time. California also just neutered some Solar/Battery stuff to protect the power monopolies.. Sunnova's CEO did a pretty good write up on it...hes got a vested interest so that's going to be show in his views on things however he makes good points...

Our grid can in no way shape or form support this insanity....we would need to invest "new deal" level work into revamping and replacing...or we would have to stop the power monopolies from neutering their competition via bought and paid for lawmakers etc. Newscum and the liberal jackasses in CA could fuck up boiling water, and they make damn sure to freeze it vs make it boil.

 

[DaveC]

I was also thinking about CARB who is appointed and beholden to the governor.

The people of this state should do an end around the politicians

The people should vote in a ballot proposition that changes the state constitution to say that gas cars cannot be banned. It would pass

 

[RadMan]

You must either move away or stay and learn to cooperate with thy neighbor