Attn: Glamis Ghost Campers

[EmpirE231]

Yeah you are. You have been since this thread started!

Glamis has its own rules and restrictions. They have been posted in this thread multiple times.

There is no fire permit required in Glamis.

LOL well... looks like I wasn’t stirring the pot.

I did post a link for it... and people have since responded.

But those BLM guys are so cool... we must thank them for being out there to enforce these things on us. (Now that’s me stirring the pot)

 

[DunePilot]

Campfire Permits are required for open fires, such as campfire, barbecues and portable stoves on federally controlled lands and private lands that are the property of another person.

Permits - Ready for Wildfire

Obtain necessary permits for controlled burns and fire activities. Learn about CAL FIRE requirements and apply online for safety compliance.

www.readyforwildfire.org

 

[wallnutz]

Campfire Permits are required for open fires, such as campfire, barbecues and portable stoves on federally controlled lands and private lands that are the property of another person.

Permits - Ready for Wildfire

Obtain necessary permits for controlled burns and fire activities. Learn about CAL FIRE requirements and apply online for safety compliance.

www.readyforwildfire.org

I never looked into it, but the two different rangers said if you are actively cooking on the fire, you do not need a permit. Don’t really care, took 5 minutes and got a permit. It’s just another BS reason to come into your camp to find grandma with a glass salad dressing bottle. (< true story by the way)

Low hanging fruit is what they are looking for.

 

[Lavey5150]

This is a joke right? Campfire Permit?

 

[wallnutz]

This is a joke right? Campfire Permit?

Nope, look up Duneflyer’s tag in his post above.

 

[DunePilot]

I never looked into it, but the two different rangers said if you are actively cooking on the fire, you do not need a permit....

Friend of mine was in his backyard in So Cal. Had a fire pit going. Fire Dept comes in and says put that out or get a ticket. He goes ballistic. They told him to get a hot dog or anything cooking and they would not have him arrested.

 

[Lavey5150]

If ranger dick approached my camp asking for a "campfire permit" in the middle of the fucking barren treeless desert, I'd probably think it was a joke.

 

[wallnutz]

If ranger dick approached my camp asking for a "campfire permit" in the middle of the fucking barren treeless desert, I'd probably think it was a joke.

We did, and then promptly got a lecture about how many violations he could come up with if he tried.

 

[EmpirE231]

This is a joke right? Campfire Permit?

You haven’t seen one of those California sand dune brush fires??

 

[EmpirE231]

We did, and then promptly got a lecture about how many violations he could come up with if he tried.

 

[Lavey5150]

We did, and then promptly got a lecture about how many violations he could come up with if he tried.

Well that rangerdick had way too much time on his hands, and should have been promptly told to get the fuck out of the campsite. What a clown.

 

[rivermobster]

If ranger dick approached my camp asking for a "campfire permit" in the middle of the fucking barren treeless desert, I'd probably think it was a joke.

It would be a joke.

There is NO campfire permit required in Glamis!

Unless someone can point it out to me here?

Imperial Sand Dunes Rules and Regulations | Bureau of Land Management

www.blm.gov

 

[sokalkrew]

It would be a joke.

There is NO campfire permit required in Glamis!

Unless someone can point it out to me here?

Imperial Sand Dunes Rules and Regulations | Bureau of Land Management

www.blm.gov

There 100% is a campfire permit required at glamis now ! Started 2 seasons ago

 

[rivermobster]

There 100% is a campfire permit required at glamis now ! Started 2 seasons ago

I'm still waiting for someone to point it out on the rules page, cause I sure don't see it!

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I'm no longer surprised by ANYTHING California does.
I guess we're just lucky they don't require a non-resident permit to breath their air.

 

[EmpirE231]

I'm still waiting for someone to point it out on the rules page, cause I sure don't see it!

Someone’s gotta point that out to those BLM guys

 

[rivermobster]

Someone’s gotta point that out to those BLM guys

And there is absolutely Nothing wrong with doing so!

I was advised to keep a printed copy of the rules with me at all times. Why?

There are a LOT of temp LEO's hired for the busy weekends. No WAY they know the rules inside out!

Just nicely point out that you have a copy of the rules, and that you are in compliance with all of them.

Everyone makes mistakes. They are just as human as anyone else.

The ASA doesn't say anything about a fire permit either.

American Sand Association - The 2021-22 dune season is finally here!

ASA reminds all duners to wear your safety gear, have the proper registration/permit, use nail-free firewood, pack out your gray/black water and trash, keep your pets on a leash, and respect all riders.

americansandassociation.org

 

[bilz]

That's not my fire, a homeless lgbtq was warming up and left it burning...

 

[77charger]

Actually a fire permit is required on all fed lands if you are having a fire outside of a campground that has established fire rings.Now how often enforced not much but if they want to they can enforce it.In the forest a ranger can give you one on the spot and i think blm ranger can give you one too.

 

[HTTP404]

That's not my fire, a homeless lgbtq was warming up and left it burning...

Exactly!

 

[hman442]

DunePilot said:
Campfire Permits are required for open fires, such as campfire, barbecues and portable stoves on federally controlled lands and private lands that are the property of another person.

Campfire Permit - Ready for Wildfire​

www.readyforwildfire.org
Okay, So what really gets me, is the part where it states " on private lands", so do they have permission to enter a locked private ranch, etc., to check to see if you have your fire permit ?

 

[EmpirE231]

DunePilot said:
Campfire Permits are required for open fires, such as campfire, barbecues and portable stoves on federally controlled lands and private lands that are the property of another person.

Campfire Permit - Ready for Wildfire​

www.readyforwildfire.org
Okay, So what really gets me, is the part where it states " on private lands", so do they have permission to enter a locked private ranch, etc., to check to see if you have your fire permit ?

Because the government likes any grey area excuse to violate peoples privacy.

 

[Sherpa]

I never looked into it, but the two different rangers said if you are actively cooking on the fire, you do not need a permit. Don’t really care, took 5 minutes and got a permit. It’s just another BS reason to come into your camp to find grandma with a glass salad dressing bottle. (< true story by the way)

Low hanging fruit is what they are looking for.

someone digging thru coolers at 5am is messed up.. it would be nice to put some sort of motion detector on the cooler lid that SCREAMS if it's moved. except you could just push some button to disarm it yourself... as for them writing a fine for glass when it's a salad dressing bottle?? that's just fucked up.

--as the ranger at that point if your reading glasses get you a fine.... or the headlights on the truck. or bike, or?

 

[outboard_256]

DunePilot said:
Okay, So what really gets me, is the part where it states " on private lands", so do they have permission to enter a locked private ranch, etc., to check to see if you have your fire permit ?

For some reason I think they do. Like if I start a big fire in my backyard and fire department comes to check it out. I am guessing they can come in a locked backyard to check if you have a permit or put it out. Probably some reason like safety that allows them access.

 

[OCMerrill]

I'm still waiting for someone to point it out on the rules page, cause I sure don't see it!

All Public land is what's in the video however this deal is put up by the California Wildland Fire Coordinating Group (part of CA create a meaningless job act). Its been this way for several years anyway. I told you what happened in Emerald Cove. BLM came in and wrote tickets, so I've been told. Nowhere on the permit does it discuss fines.

It costs nothing. You can print the permit, take a picture with your phone, then use the paper to start the fire. Your just going to fall asleep anyway.

 

[timstoy]

I just filled out and printed the permit. Bottom line is stated that you are legally responsible and may be liable for fire suppression costs if your fire escapes.

 

[rivermobster]

so I've been told.

I'm sorry, did you say something?

 

[Lavey5150]

I honestly cant believe that I just filled out and printed that worthless doc. Don't the nipple sucking huggers know that we are wasting countless (trees) by doing this.
I'm going to clear epoxy it into a table and have it proudly displayed at every camping trip I go on.

 

[OCMerrill]

I honestly cant believe that I just filled out and printed that worthless doc. Don't the nipple sucking huggers know that we are wasting countless (trees) by doing this.
I'm going to clear epoxy it into a table and have it proudly displayed at every camping trip I go on.

Expires Annually.

I find that part hilarious.

 

[Icky]

Several of us do the camp fire permits just in case someone goes to bed we still have a person with a permit in their name. Never been asked for one in glamis though.

 

[DunePilot]

Any news of rigs being towed, tickets, etc? I would think this would be prime time for it.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Any news of rigs being towed, tickets, etc? I would think this would be prime time for it.

Nope, one day that happened, they have not done anything since. Bizarre.

 

[attitude]

Nope, one day that happened, they have not done anything since. Bizarre.

It was fake news, the rig that’s was towed was for a counterfeit pass.

 

[monkeyswrench]

It was fake news, the rig that’s was towed was for a counterfeit pass.

Damn, pretty ballzy to ghost camp with fake paper too...
Would have been cheaper to buy the pass.

 

[DunePilot]

I'm still waiting for someone to point it out on the rules page, cause I sure don't see it!

IMHO it SHOULD be on the ISDRA page. But here is where you can find it.

(Scroll way down to El Centro Field Office - about 2/3 the way down):
https://www.blm.gov/programs/public...on/regional-info/california/fire-restrictions

California - Fire Restrictions | Bureau of Land Management BLM California issues statewide Fire Prevention Order. A state-wide Fire Prevention Order addresses wildfire safety measures for use of campfires outside of developed campgrounds and complements state and local wildfire prevention laws, regulations, and activities. www.blm.gov

 

[DUNEFLYER]

Whatever they are doing it is working. I know it is only Wednesday but the place is empty. Parking on EVERY pad this afternoon.
Pad was wide open.
hope it stays this way..

 

[Brokeboatin221]

Crazy never knew about the fire permit yet it is Ca and you need a permit for the permit to permit any use

 

[Nanu/Nanu]

you think the homeless camps post up their permits for the barrel fires?

 

[rivermobster]

IMHO it SHOULD be on the ISDRA page. But here is where you can find it.

(Scroll way down to El Centro Field Office - about 2/3 the way down):
https://www.blm.gov/programs/public...on/regional-info/california/fire-restrictions

California - Fire Restrictions | Bureau of Land Management BLM California issues statewide Fire Prevention Order. A state-wide Fire Prevention Order addresses wildfire safety measures for use of campfires outside of developed campgrounds and complements state and local wildfire prevention laws, regulations, and activities. www.blm.gov

Should be? You're afraid someone might set the sand on fire?

 

[Yarder]

Should be? You're afraid someone might set the sand on fire?

I know how silly the campfire permit seems but it is required in the State of Kommifornia and in the ISDRA despite your denial Joe...

 

[rivermobster]

I know how silly the campfire permit seems but it is required in the State of Kommifornia and in the ISDRA despite your denial Joe...

Lemme know when it show up in the rules for Glamis...

Till then, I ain't buying anything other than a Camping permit. I figure that should encompass any rules that need to be adhered to. And I'll be happy to discuss that with Any ranger that attempts to fine me.

 

[Yarder]

Lemme know when it show up in the rules for Glamis...

Till then, I ain't buying anything other than a Camping permit. I figure that should encompass any rules that need to be adhered to. And I'll be happy to discuss that with Any ranger that attempts to fine me.

LOL, it's free. It takes less than 5 minutes to get on the 'ol interwebs. Not sure why this seems so difficult.

Do you even go to Glamis anymore?

 

[rivermobster]

LOL, it's free. It takes less than 5 minutes to get on the 'ol interwebs. Not sure why this seems so difficult.

Do you even go to Glamis anymore?

Planning a trip right now. I'll keep ya posted.

 

[Yarder]

Planning a trip right now. I'll keep ya posted.

Don't forget to get yore campfire permit!

Clicky!

 

[rivermobster]

Don't forget to get yore campfire permit!

Clicky!

Never heard of it.

 

[Nanu/Nanu]

Never heard of it.

And they even email it to you so you can have it available at their request on your phone.

 

[rivermobster]

And they even email it to you so you can have it available at their request on your phone.

How nice of them. My tax dollars at work preventing the sand from catching on fire. Bravo.

 

[DunePilot]

Should be? You're afraid someone might set the sand on fire?

I think ANY regulation that we are expected to adhere to, and can be fined if we don't, should be on the appropriate web page no matter how ridiculous.

 

[rivermobster]

I think ANY regulation that we are expected to adhere to, and can be fined if we don't, should be on the appropriate web page no matter how ridiculous.

100% agree.