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Last night I was shutting down for bed and walked outside to turn my sprinklers off. As I was walking back to the door I heard what I believed to be a steady whooshing sound coming from one of the outlets on the exterior of my house. My initial thought was that is was probably some air escaping from an AC duct and coming out the hole that was cut in the wall for the socket. But I went inside and shut the AC down just to verify that's all it was anyway. AC shut down and I went back outside and was still hearing the noise. It was at that point t it dawned on me that what I was hearing was not a "whooshing" noise but very decidedly a "sizzling" noise! this wall happens to get some splashing from the sprinklers and what I discovered was that the weather cap had cracked and was letting water in behind the outlet.😳

Inside I went, to check the gfi in the bathroom immediately to the inside of this exterior outlet to see if it was tripped or probably more along the lines of what I was thinking, to manually trip it so I could go to bed and not worry about the house catching on fire. It wasn't tripped, and what's worse is when I tripped it, it still didn't kill power to the outlet outside. There are (or were at the time) only 2 other gfis in my house, in the kitchen, and in the upstairs bathroom, neither of which this outlet shared a circuit with.

Here I am, now about 1030 changing out of my PJs and killing the power to the entire house so I can disassemble an outlet and disconnect it in the dark by flashlight, still over 90 degrees outside and the bugs swarming me because the only light anywhere nearby is the flashlight I'm holding in my mouth. I did however manage to get the old now burning up socket removed and capped off the wires last night so I could finally go to bed in peace but I did end up taking a 2nd shower after all that.

This morning, I replaced the Junction box that I broke a screw off in last night while removing the outlet and also got a gfi in there with a new outdoor cover.



So the PSA is:

If you have an older house, check your outlets. If you see any cracks or signs of burning, replace your outlet. Make sure all your outlets that should be gfi protected ARE gfi protected. You never know what some dumb ass has done electrically to your house.

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Good post! My thoughts on this after thinking about your situation. I have 6 out door outlets. All of them are gfi outlets and have the weather tight covers. But, if the covers fail, the power is still on at the line side of the gfi. Hmm, just a thought.
 

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But, if the covers fail, the power is still on at the line side of the gfi. Hmm, just a thought.
Our outside ground level outlets are tied to circuit with a GFI in the garage.
Learned that the hard way when GFI tripped and I thought nothing of it until I noticed my garage fridge/freezer was not running cause it was plugged into that GFI outlet.
 

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Funny this should come up. The detached garage I'm working on had two breakers on the main panel. One outlets, the other lights. Honestly, never thought much of it.

Well, pre-school project needs HVAC. 220v mini-splits are supposed to be the shit. Needed a sub panel, and more juice. Start pulling things apart, and the two lines were 12/2 romex :oops:

The good thing, it was run through 2" conduit. Some bending wires into hooks, some tape, and one of the 12/2's was used to pull the new SER cable through.
 

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A few thoughts I'll share.
As a retired sparky I rather enjoy helping my neighbors with their electrical trouble shooting and repair instruction or the repairs themselves.
We do that up here, in turn I get yummy things and a helping hand if I need it --- pretty cool.

I do however encourage my neighbors to take some time from their busy lives and properly identify which circuits feed which outlets and lights. If you don't have house plans, hell, even a rudimentary sketch can help. At least properly label your panel schedules.

@Shlbyntro, since that exterior outlet feeds from some and obviously to somewhere, do you now know where those somewheres are ?
Did they feed around the interior GFI, instead of using line and load to protect it ? What does it serve after leaving that receptacle and is now protected or even need it ?

I know they're not as pretty, but the WP "In Use" covers are most useful as they allow use of that outlet in more inclement weather.
 

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A few thoughts I'll share.
As a retired sparky I rather enjoy helping my neighbors with their electrical trouble shooting and repair instruction or the repairs themselves.
We do that up here, in turn I get yummy things and a helping hand if I need it --- pretty cool.

I do however encourage my neighbors to take some time from their busy lives and properly identify which circuits feed which outlets and lights. If you don't have house plans, hell, even a rudimentary sketch can help. At least properly label your panel schedules.

@Shlbyntro, since that exterior outlet feeds from some and obviously to somewhere, do you now know where those somewheres are ?
Did they feed around the interior GFI, instead of using line and load to protect it ? What does it serve after leaving that receptacle and is now protected or even need it ?

I know they're not as pretty, but the WP "In Use" covers are most useful as they allow use of that outlet in more inclement weather.

I would love to have my panel labeled but it is not. As far as what feeds the outlet and what is served by it I couldn't tell you that either It may be a direct feed from the panel as the panel is in the aforementioned bathroom. I can tell you that I wired this GFI to only protect itself and no downstream outlets. This outlet is rarely used. I think the last time I used it was for an extension cord to a battery charger on a tractor out in the yard nearly a year ago.

I do agree. it would be nice to have a labeled breaker panel. Maybe I'll make an off-season project out of it with a buddy.
 

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I would love to have my panel labeled but it is not. As far as what feeds the outlet and what is served by it I couldn't tell you that either It may be a direct feed from the panel as the panel is in the aforementioned bathroom. I can tell you that I wired this GFI to only protect itself and no downstream outlets. This outlet is rarely used. I think the last time I used it was for an extension cord to a battery charger on a tractor out in the yard nearly a year ago.

I do agree. it would be nice to have a labeled breaker panel. Maybe I'll make an off-season project out of it with a buddy.

Yep. Definitely takes two people...

We did my friends river house last year. Took a whole lot longer than we both thought it would! 😱

Draw the whole house out on paper, add in all the outlets and light fixtures, then start flipping switches and checking outlets.

Time consuming, but worth it.

I’m not a fan of electricity that makes noise. 🤨

X1000! 😁
 

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Good to see ya found it before it was too late. Ya always hear stories of houses burning down due to electrical fire! Great catch !
 

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Last night I was shutting down for bed and walked outside to turn my sprinklers off. As I was walking back to the door I heard what I believed to be a steady whooshing sound coming from one of the outlets on the exterior of my house. My initial thought was that is was probably some air escaping from an AC duct and coming out the hole that was cut in the wall for the socket. But I went inside and shut the AC down just to verify that's all it was anyway. AC shut down and I went back outside and was still hearing the noise. It was at that point t it dawned on me that what I was hearing was not a "whooshing" noise but very decidedly a "sizzling" noise! this wall happens to get some splashing from the sprinklers and what I discovered was that the weather cap had cracked and was letting water in behind the outlet.😳

Inside I went, to check the gfi in the bathroom immediately to the inside of this exterior outlet to see if it was tripped or probably more along the lines of what I was thinking, to manually trip it so I could go to bed and not worry about the house catching on fire. It wasn't tripped, and what's worse is when I tripped it, it still didn't kill power to the outlet outside. There are (or were at the time) only 2 other gfis in my house, in the kitchen, and in the upstairs bathroom, neither of which this outlet shared a circuit with.

Here I am, now about 1030 changing out of my PJs and killing the power to the entire house so I can disassemble an outlet and disconnect it in the dark by flashlight, still over 90 degrees outside and the bugs swarming me because the only light anywhere nearby is the flashlight I'm holding in my mouth. I did however manage to get the old now burning up socket removed and capped off the wires last night so I could finally go to bed in peace but I did end up taking a 2nd shower after all that.

This morning, I replaced the Junction box that I broke a screw off in last night while removing the outlet and also got a gfi in there with a new outdoor cover.



So the PSA is:

If you have an older house, check your outlets. If you see any cracks or signs of burning, replace your outlet. Make sure all your outlets that should be gfi protected ARE gfi protected. You never know what some dumb ass has done electrically to your house.

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Mine are ancient too. House was built in 1967
 

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I would love to have my panel labeled but it is not.
I do agree. it would be nice to have a labeled breaker panel. Maybe I'll make an off-season project out of it with a buddy.

This can make it a lot easier and a 1 man job

 

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Next time turn off the 6 halogen work lights and the sprinklers.
 

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Yep. Definitely takes two people...

We did my friends river house last year. Took a whole lot longer than we both thought it would! 😱

Draw the whole house out on paper, add in all the outlets and light fixtures, then start flipping switches and checking outlets.

Time consuming, but worth it.



X1000! 😁
I need to do this. My house is a bit of a mess. Its been added on to several times. I have no less than 5 subpanels. When I bought it there was no master breaker for the house.
 

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PSA number two. You shouldn’t wait for the day of the rain to turn off your sprinklers. Turn them off at least two or three days before depending on the season.
 

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I run my sprinklers manually. Also we haven't had so much as a pussy fart of rain in at least a couple of months.
 

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A few thoughts I'll share.
As a retired sparky I rather enjoy helping my neighbors with their electrical trouble shooting and repair instruction or the repairs themselves.
We do that up here, in turn I get yummy things and a helping hand if I need it --- pretty cool.

I do however encourage my neighbors to take some time from their busy lives and properly identify which circuits feed which outlets and lights. If you don't have house plans, hell, even a rudimentary sketch can help. At least properly label your panel schedules.

@Shlbyntro, since that exterior outlet feeds from some and obviously to somewhere, do you now know where those somewheres are ?
Did they feed around the interior GFI, instead of using line and load to protect it ? What does it serve after leaving that receptacle and is now protected or even need it ?

I know they're not as pretty, but the WP "In Use" covers are most useful as they allow use of that outlet in more inclement weather.
They are pretty to me :D Make several million of them a year under contract. Single gang, Double Gang, Deep, Flat etc.
 

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They are pretty to me :D Make several million of them a year under contract. Single gang, Double Gang, Deep, Flat etc.
Well then I'm happy to have supported your business, assuming you were making those 13 years ago when I installed ours. Other than a slightly sun yellowed patina where exposed, they've held up well. 👍 😁
 
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