You want to move to Minnesota ?

[spectras only]

Guys over on PB posted this already. Nothing good can come out of this in general :skull .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W0vItJqpQ8U#at=94

 

[DickieB]

HOLY CRAPPPPPPP! First Arizona with the Mexicans wanting to change our way of life and now Minnesota? WTF? :bash:

 

[shintoooo]

Keep it on PB :thumbsdown

That's one of the reasons I don't go there as much anymore.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

This is actually old.
Yeah, it sucks.

 

[Bobby V]

Keep it on PB :thumbsdown

That's one of the reasons I don't go there as much anymore.

I agree...:thumbsdown

 

[spectras only]

Forum police ,eh.:bash: Dave can move it to the political section if he wants to.
Who are you to tell me where I can post .

 

[Sold Honda bought Hondo]

That's funny.....not the subject of the thread...that's sick and wrong....

Someone posted the exact same thread on another website on 'open water'
and someone took to ripping on the op because it wasn't posted on political rhetoric...claiming it to be one of the reasons for loss of readership...and people were migrating over here...

 

[cave]

I don't see it as Political as much Religious. I guess some folks need to thicken up their skins a bit. It just the internet.

Some people over there would have tackled Paul Revere for making too much Noise. :champagne:

 

[WTRR]

I thought it was going to be about shoveling snow and banging fat chicks...

 

[OCMerrill]

I thought it was going to be about shoveling snow and banging fat chicks...

God Bless America. Where you can do exactly that without having to wear a twisted up shirt on your head.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

God Bless America. Where you can do exactly that without having to wear a twisted up shirt on your head.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

That's what America is all about!

 

[WTRR]

So they don't want to handle pork products or alcohol??? How un-American is that??

Those should be the first questions on the entrance exam...

1.)Do you like bacon?

2.)Do you like beer?

3.)Do you eat pussy?

If you answered no to one or more of these questions, we hope you purchased a round trip ticket.

 

[Nuvie]

I'd say it's about time to play cowboys and muslims

 

[HavaPaul]

That's funny.....not the subject of the thread...that's sick and wrong....

Someone posted the exact same thread on another website on 'open water'
and someone took to ripping on the op because it wasn't posted on political rhetoric...claiming it to be one of the reasons for loss of readership...and people were migrating over here...

Here's the difference. A political thread on Open Water will bring the occupants of the political board to the main board. Those PRF folks are not friendly, nor objective. Took a look yesterday. Same old name calling and personal attacks. Not interesting to read any longer.
What happens there wont happen hear. The crowd here is much more mature a well moderated. I doubt what they do there will happen here.

 

[Gelcoater]

I don't see it as Political as much Religious. I guess some folks need to thicken up their skins a bit. It just the internet.

Some people over there would have tackled Paul Revere for making too much Noise. :champagne:

The thing is with that "religion" is its not just religion,but a complete political/social/economic way of thinking vailed with religion. With Islam you cant talk about one without encompasing politics within it.

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

The thing is with that "religion" is its not just religion,but a complete political/social/economic way of thinking vailed with religion. With Islam you cant talk about one without encompasing politics within it.

:thumbsup

 

[Flat Broke]

And it's probably the most important legal precedent issue on the horizon for our nation; the separation of church and state vs. freedom of religion. It?s awfully hard to reconcile one against the other when the reglion in question is a complete social model inclusive of its own body of law.

One of the fundamental problems I see the courts having is being able to separate sharia law from the religious aspect of Islam. Aside from the fact there is no clear delineation between the two as Islam is a complete social model as opposed to a belief system; if the SCOTUS were to rule on some sort of delineation between the religious aspect of Islam and sharia law, (which it really can't because of the 1st amendment) it would open up all religions up for piecemeal interpretation by the government, which may well be more disruptive to the original American ideals than a blanket acceptance of all aspects of Islam. Once the courts set precedent that they can acknowledge or disavow specific elements of a religion, freedom of religion ceases to exist.

So what is the answer? Police the issue in private. The article below has an obvious pro-Christianity slant, and is far from free of bias, but it enumerates multiple instances where American society has caved to the fear of lawsuits from Muslims or other religious organizations. We can?t ask the Supreme Court to protect our ideals, if we?re not ready to defend them ourselves. As an example, there is a section in the article that discusses how a California middle school interpreted the 7th grade state curriculum on religion to include observing Ramadan, praying on prayer rugs, and spending a disproportionate amount of time on Islam compared to other religions. Parents petitioned to the SCOTUS, but did any of them just keep their kids home that day? America needs to grow a pair and start handling things they way they should be? LOCALLY AND SPECIFICALLY.

I agree that Muslims or any other religious practitioners have the right to observe the traditions of their chosen religion; right up to the point where it interferes with the rights of others or attempts to circumvent/supplant constitutional law. But at that point, we don?t need more laws to tell us how to handle the issue, we deal with it as individuals and communities. If you don?t like how something works, you create opposition to that person or entity. Can an employer not hire someone because they are Muslim? No, but they can surely hire another suitable employee if he or she is in any way going to be anticipated to be a better employee. The follow up to that is when the Muslim sues for discrimination, the employer needs to nut up, pay the lawyers and take the case to trial to show that they hired the best person, based upon whatever reasoning they used to arrive at their decision. It is in the commitment and follow up that Americans continually fail. We whine about the erosion of our moral fabric, the loss of our national pride, etc. etc. But when situations like those above arise, how do we as individuals and communities respond? Do we say the things that some people don?t like to hear, do we play the part of the insensitive dick to protect what we value? Or do we cave to societal pressure and then whine like a passive/aggressive nut job that our country isn?t supporting its founding beliefs? What 99.99% of Americans fail to recognize is the inherent flexibility of the Constitution and its unique ability to serve the will of the American people. The key here is that when the Constitution was written people weren?t sheeple. The Constitution is still there protecting the rights of Americans; what most fail to realize however, is that it doesn?t hear the voice of a silent, quickly shrinking majority.

The bottom line is that if we don?t like how the tenants of Islam are finding their way into mainstream society, we need to do more as individuals and communities to make that opinion clear. Then present notable, but legally justifiable opposition. To be clear, I respect the right of any individual to pursue the belief system of their choosing, so long as it doesn?t oppress the rights of others to do the same. I regularly interact with Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Christians, and even a token Buddhist. I have amicable and working relations with all of the above, but the second one tries to assert the rights of their religion are superior to mine (or any of the others for that matter), my tone and demeanor has and will change.

The article I referenced can be found here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/de_facto_shariah_law_in_americ.html


We need look no further than England to see how bad things will get if we don't get our heads on straight.

Chris