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I met this guy once.
I was walking on Hope St in LA along where the street address resets from North to South and he drove up.

He was looking for the LA City Personal Dept, easy to get confused there and asked if I knew directions.
He was appreciative and drove off.

He was Christopher Dorner in his LAPD uniform driving a civilian vehicle. He later went on a murderous rampage in February 2013, killing four people and wounding three others in targeted attacks.
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He was going thru a Skelly hearing at the time and that's where they held them, he was fired shortly after and went nuts.
A Skelly hearing is part of the employee termination or retain process.

Also many times I walk down to our community mailbox. When I open the mailbox door I sometimes remember, and it flashes thru my pea brain the Synanon incident where a cult put in rattlesnake in a lawyers mailbox. The lawyer was suing the cult.
They caught the guy that place the rattlesnake there. He did some time in the Big House.

A couple times a week I would stop off at a local bar on the way home from work and have a beer with a friend Lance.
Turned out Lance is that rattlesnake guy.
He now works for Charlie and Martin Sheen.

Ya ever cross paths with an infamous criminal?
 
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1981 I was carjacked by a guy on a road test. Handcuffed me and went to put me in the back seat. I took off running. He tried to run me over, but I was pretty fast when I was scared. They caught him in Petoskey. He made the local news. He has been in and out of Prison his entire life. I was just reading he jacked someone in Ohio and drove the guy in the trunk to South Carolina. Not to smart, he always gets caught. Only one death that I know of. David Patrick Geno. I will never forget that name.
 
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No here,

But, I’ve always been afraid of a snake in a mailbox, my dad told me a story like that when I was little, still to this day, if I’m opening an old school mailbox, I open it from the side, just in case😳
 

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This piece of shit used to clean the parking lot at a gas station in my hometown. My girlfriend at the time worked at that gas station. I was always in and out of there. He spoke often and was a weird kid but seemed harmless enough. Fast forward 10 or so years and he was making my sandwiches at subway just days after he cut his girlfriend into pieces and tried to burn her remains on his grandparents land. He shot the two little girls in that story in cold blood on the side of a dirt road in a rural area. I remember reading he tried to cut up his lawyer with a razor blade at one point before one of his hearings. Needless to say the dude is criminally insane to the fullest extent.

 

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@OkHallett270 Do you remember the earlier killings of the two rural girls from NE Oklahoma in '99? Parents never had closure. I know Laura's dad from the parts stores at Grand Lake where he's worked for many years. Terrible deal for both families.

 

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John David Smith III was a brilliant geek engine tuner who went to work for a friend after relocating from Florida. First day he showed up at the shop as their new "Tuner Guru", we were standing outside chatting and I recall him mentioning that he'd recently lost his wife.
Later I came to understand just what he'd meant. :oops:
Over several years he worked there I saw him frequently, he'd tune my car, we'd BS and even after the FBI had him and us apparently under rather obvious surveillance, I went out on several test drives with him.
None of us suspected this Car Guy Tech Nerd was capable of harming anybody, let alone murdering several wives.
Never once during this entire period of nightly news coverage and FBI questioning and surveillance did he seem concerned or nervous.

I guess eventually his brother cracked under questioning and admitted he'd found the makeshift box the body was in at Grandpa's and his 3rd and latest wife he'd met and married after relocating divulged the existence and location of the storage locker that pretty much sealed his fate, John had acquired under a fictitious name.

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In junior high, I was taking Taekwondo classes. I got my purple belt and was moved into the adult class since I was kind of big for the "kids" class at that point. My instructors stepson was a senior in high school (3rd degree black belt) and would work with me one on one quite a bit during and after class. One day, my dad calls to tell me that my classes had been canceled indefinitely. We weren't sure why at first... News finally came out that Brian, the SIL, had murdered a guy in their living room and dumped his body off the road on Ortega Hwy.
 

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Actually, a Skelly Hearing is a pre hearing where the agency formally lays out and provides all of the evidence they have against you. There is no witness testimony in those hearings. The employee is allowed to respond to the charges. The Skelly officer might make a recommendation to the agency to settle with a lesser penalty. People who were fired from my agency usually waived the Shelly Hearing because they were provided with all of the information to be used against in their termination packet. They went straight to the Personnel Board Hearing.
 

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I can't ever say for certain, as I was 11 years old, but my brother and I were staying with my Aunt in Monterey Park, we had went to a local market and ran into this very creepy dude with like a dead stare in his eyes, we all were kind of freaked out about him and got out of there and didn't really think anything of it until few months later when the Nighttstalker Richard Ramirezs face was plastered all over the news....we all swear this was the same dude...we learned later that he had killed someone in Monterey Park a few days after we had seen "him"
 

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My AC shop was across the hall from a LA City Communications office.
Jim Alton was the Supervisor and he was under pressure to fire Willie Woods a radio repair an installer. Marty Wakefield was the working shop supervisor and he was under pressure too.

Woods was mentally distressed and the Department Heads guys named Carpenter and Gains complete assholes absolutely hated by everyone were the ones putting the pressure on. Carpender was a Motorola plant to make sure City Communications contract bids would only qualify Motorola, but that's a different thread. A real asshole.

Willie Woods was always cool to me. Fixed my radios but you could tell someone was inside his head with him.
He needed help, not being fired.
He came in with a pistol one morning and killed all 4. Gains and Carpenter screamed and ran and they got stitched in the back.

"I did it for everyone" was his remark as the cops led him off in cuffs.

Another guy we hired as an AC tech Lou who was an amazing, talented and experienced guy. As soon as he passed his probation he came in on time, left work on time but refused to work. Sat down and simply refused to do any work. I could bounce complicated A/C problems off Lou and he had the cure, so I was good with him, I was busy being me.

An attempt was made to rightly fire Lou by the biggest asshole supervisor I ever encountered. The paperwork and process started and Lou kept his job, his lawyer flipped the script and the supervisor got suspended and demoted instead.
LA City saying amongst Supervisors "If you try and fire someone ,, you're firing yourself."

Some years later a pissed off employee came in shot and killed the supervisor who had transferred to a different City Department.
The supervisor was going through a divorce and at the same time being sued for unfair divorce settlements from 2 ex wives.

Ya work with some real tools with Government employment.
 
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2nd degree story - guy I went to school with had a problem with a back neighbor's barking dog in West Hills. He went around the block and knocked on the door and politely asked if they could keep their dog quiet. He said his neighbor was super polite, apologetic, and kept his dog quiet after that and he never had any other problems or interactions with the neighbor. Couple years later he was watching the news and discovered his back neighbor was Jesse James Hollywood...
 

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@OkHallett270 Do you remember the earlier killings of the two rural girls from NE Oklahoma in '99? Parents never had closure. I know Laura's dad from the parts stores at Grand Lake where he's worked for many years. Terrible deal for both families.

Wow I don’t remember that, I woulda been a sophomore in high school when that happened. Seems like the names are familiar but I don’t remember the story, I do remember the dam parts store at Grand though, used to get bronco parts in there on wheeling trips, I loved that place, sucks that it’s gone.
 

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In my 20s I lived with some people in PA. The kids were pretty young at the time. Later in life one of the kids and a couple other kids beat a guy to death with bats in the woods.

A guy I went to high school with, his step kid shot 2 guys in a parking lot then brought the bodies "home," they (2 brothers and the guy I went to school with) cut them up and put them in a pond.
 

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When I worked at Cole CPD we had a contract to service all PD, SO and CHP cars , A new "hire" apparently didnt know that so when a Black and White rolled in , He took off from his work stall on a dead run thru the parking lot , turned out he was a "wanted criminal" 😂
 

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Moe Dalitz. Although, never convicted of a crime, he was the remaining Goombah in Vegas as Howard Hughes, Del Webb and others began owning some of the large Hotels Casinos. He was known as Mr. Las Vegas. He visited us one night in our dressing room. We were playing an extended engagement at The Sands. Later we found out Dalitz had been in a meeting the prior week with the father of one of our guys. This father was the CEO of Macco Construction. They were doing a major remodel of the Desert Inn. Dalitz was the “unofficial“ owner of the DI. This father happened to mention that his son would be playing at The Sands. Dalitz said great, I’ll check on him for ya. Dalitz looked like he’d just stepped out of the movie Good Fellas. He came up to our dressing room and knocked on the door. When we opened the door, he introduced himself and said if we needed anything at all, to just let him know. He shook each of our hands and left. Bill Medley of the Righteous Brothers was our producer and in our dressing room when Dalitz came to the door. Medley about shit himself. He knew exactly who Dalitz was. We had no idea.
 

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My AC shop was across the hall from a LA City Communications office.
Jim Alton was the Supervisor and he was under pressure to fire Willie Woods a radio repair an installer. Marty Wakefield was the working shop supervisor and he was under pressure too.

Woods was mentally distressed and the Department Heads guys named Carpenter and Gains complete assholes absolutely hated by everyone were the ones putting the pressure on. Carpender was a Motorola plant to make sure City Communications contract bids would only qualify Motorola, but that's a different thread. A real asshole.

Willie Woods was always cool to me. Fixed my radios but you could tell someone was inside his head with him.
He needed help, not being fired.
He came in with a pistol one morning and killed all 4. Gains and Carpenter screamed and ran and they got stitched in the back.

"I did it for everyone" was his remark as the cops led him off in cuffs.

Another guy we hired as an AC tech Lou who was an amazing, talented and experienced guy. As soon as he passed his probation he came in on time, left work on time but refused to work. Sat down and simply refused to do any work. I could bounce complicated A/C problems off Lou and he had the cure, so I was good with him, I was busy being me.

An attempt was made to rightly fire Lou by the biggest asshole supervisor I ever encountered. The paperwork and process started and Lou kept his job, his lawyer flipped the script and the supervisor got suspended and demoted instead.
LA City saying amongst Supervisors "If you try and fire someone ,, you're firing yourself."

Some years later an employee came in shot and killed the supervisor.
I interviewed with those two at Piper. Didn't go to well. WW interviewed with my supervisor, just across access way from the radio shop. We were in our shop during the shooting. I used to see WW around Piper.
 
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Dean Corll murdered at least 28 boys in the early 70's in Houston. His main accomplice was a kid named Elmer Wayne Henley. Henley found and provided a lot of the boys for Corll, including my wife's cousin. Henley was a friend of the family back then and would visit their home and have meals with them, even after kidnapping the son who was subsequently murdered by Corll. He even attempted to kidnap the younger brother for Corll. Henley eventually killed Corll in an argument and everything came to light during that investigation.

After I started to work for the DA's office in Houston in the 80's, I was in our old evidence vault one day and found the torture board that Corll used as he killed those kids. It was pretty sobering to think that all those kids were handcuffed to that board before they were killed.
 

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I interviewed with those two at Piper. Didn't go to well. WW interviewed with my supervisor, just across access way from the radio shop. We were in our shop during the shooting. I used to see WW around Piper.
Yeah he'd exercise, stretch & walk around PTC with a 100 mile distant look acknowledging no one.
Jim's last words to me were; "I'm worried about him." Jim and Wakefield were really good guys.
Carpenter verbally harassed WW. "ha ha ha you'll soon be fired. " I wasn't surprised at all. Gains no better.
 
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The wife and I bought a 5.0 Mustang from Will Nix in Pomona and later that month he had his GM murdered.
"Nix was found guilty July 28 of having orchestrated the murder-for-hire shooting of car salesman Salvatore T. Ruscitti. Ruscitti, 58, a father of four, grandfather of five and a longtime salesman who had riled Nix by accusing him of cheating salespeople out of commissions, was gunned down in front of his family at the doorway of his Leucadia home on the night of Sept. 17, 1988".
 

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Not infamous, but in the early 2000s, a girl who sat in the cube directly behind me, murdered her husband. It was one of those, "you would never think someone like her would do something like that" deals you always here on the news. I guess everyone has their limits.
 

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Ive talked to Charlie Manson a few times.

Not something I share often.
Wifes Uncle was with the AB. He stood about 5'5" and 120lbs and had 100% Honky tattooed across his stomach. We called him Uncle Danny. If you knew him, he was a great guy that you did not trust with anything you wanted to keep. If you didnt know him--you steered clear of him. We were at Universal City Walk years ago and I was walking next to him towards the front of our group. Coming towards us were 3 fairly large black men--i shit you not, when they saw Uncle Danny they just quickly crossed the street, passed us on the other side then crossed back. Uncle Danny said that happened a lot. Side jail story related to Uncle Danny--we had not seen his Daughter (lived in Mohave, CA) for many years. One day we were watching the show Locked-up or Jail and she was on it. Charged with Kidnapping, Robbery, Assault with great bodily injury and a few other charges.

Back to Charlie-
When Danny was in Corcoran his cell was directly across from Charlie's. Danny's room was called the "Glass House" cause he polished the walls with wax and shoe polish. When Danny would call to talk to wifes Mom--Charlie would always be around and want to talk--so he did. He called my MIL "Baby Jane" and he was not crazy like people would think.--he played that act for the media. Baby Jane did not like to talk to him--so she often would just pass me the phone. I remember him telling me how he just finished stringing his guitar. It was a a gift from a fan--I forget the brand, but thing cost over 20K and he painted it purple. He used that guitar to make a Xmas album--we have that somewhere with my MIL belongings. He asked me to send him a new toaster--which we did. Conversations never lasted more then 2-4 minutes as we didnt really want to talk to him. We have a couple of "Devil Advocate" dolls (made from socks with the elastic spun out of them) and a Pirate ship made in the woodshop.

The how and why Uncle Danny was in protected Housing in Corcoran--is another crazy story involving the AB and Mexican Mafia. Uncle Danny died a few months before Charlie.
 

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Dean Corll murdered at least 28 boys in the early 70's in Houston. His main accomplice was a kid named Elmer Wayne Henley. Henley found and provided a lot of the boys for Corll, including my wife's cousin. Henley was a friend of the family back then and would visit their home and have meals with them, even after kidnapping the son who was subsequently murdered by Corll. He even attempted to kidnap the younger brother for Corll. Henley eventually killed Corll in an argument and everything came to light during that investigation.

After I started to work for the DA's office in Houston in the 80's, I was in our old evidence vault one day and found the torture board that Corll used as he killed those kids. It was pretty sobering to think that all those kids were handcuffed to that board before they were killed.
Never heard of this one, insanely evil.
 

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The wife and I bought a 5.0 Mustang from Will Nix in Pomona and later that month he had his GM murdered.
"Nix was found guilty July 28 of having orchestrated the murder-for-hire shooting of car salesman Salvatore T. Ruscitti. Ruscitti, 58, a father of four, grandfather of five and a longtime salesman who had riled Nix by accusing him of cheating salespeople out of commissions, was gunned down in front of his family at the doorway of his Leucadia home on the night of Sept. 17, 1988".
When I was in high school I delivered pizzas to him, he lived in San Antonio Heights, all the drivers would fight to deliver to him because it was always a great tip. One time I took a couple pizzas to his place, he opens the door in a robe with topless girls walking by. He paid one of the guys to hang his Christmas lights also.
 

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Tina made a few bad Sammiches, thats all it took for Ike to get his pimp hand out. Used to see him all the time in La Costa.
 

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Dean Corll murdered at least 28 boys in the early 70's in Houston. His main accomplice was a kid named Elmer Wayne Henley. Henley found and provided a lot of the boys for Corll, including my wife's cousin. Henley was a friend of the family back then and would visit their home and have meals with them, even after kidnapping the son who was subsequently murdered by Corll. He even attempted to kidnap the younger brother for Corll. Henley eventually killed Corll in an argument and everything came to light during that investigation.

After I started to work for the DA's office in Houston in the 80's, I was in our old evidence vault one day and found the torture board that Corll used as he killed those kids. It was pretty sobering to think that all those kids were handcuffed to that board before they were killed.
I just researched this, holy shit, pure evil and some pictures online of the torture board and them digging in the boat shed and others. Brothers killed at the same time and other brothers a year apart, fucking disgusting
 

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1981 I was carjacked by a guy on a road test. Handcuffed me and went to put me in the back seat. I took off running. He tried to run me over, but I was pretty fast when I was scared. They caught him in Petoskey. He made the local news. He has been in and out of Prison his entire life. I was just reading he jacked someone in Ohio and drove the guy in the trunk to South Carolina. Not to smart, he always gets caught. Only one death that I know of. David Patrick Geno. I will never forget that name.

Same guy?

 

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I met this guy once.
I was walking on Hope St in LA along where the street address resets from North to South and he drove up.

He was looking for the LA City Personal Dept, easy to get confused there and asked if I knew directions.
He was appreciative and drove off.

He was Christopher Dorner in his LAPD uniform driving a civilian vehicle. He later went on a murderous rampage in February 2013, killing four people and wounding three others in targeted attacks.
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He was going thru a Skelly hearing at the time and that's where they held them, he was fired shortly after and went nuts.
A Skelly hearing is part of the employee termination or retain process.

Also many times I walk down to our community mailbox. When I open the mailbox door I sometimes remember, and it flashes thru my pea brain the Synanon incident where a cult put in rattlesnake in a lawyers mailbox. The lawyer was suing the cult.
They caught the guy that place the rattlesnake there. He did some time in the Big House.

A couple times a week I would stop off at a local bar on the way home from work and have a beer with a friend Lance.
Turned out Lance is that rattlesnake guy.
He now works for Charlie and Martin Sheen.

Ya ever cross paths with an infamous criminal?
He stalked his old FTO in Long Beach before heading up the mountain and causing kaos , LBPD was on super alert for a few days.
 
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Re: Christopher Dorner. When he went on his rampage I was on a special undercover team that was waiting for the call to hunt him down if a clue of his whereabouts had developed. We were training constantly on how to take him down, there was no doubt it was gonna be a violent gunfight. We never got that call. San Berdoo SWAT did a great job putting him down.


I did ride in the backseat next to this infamous killer when we drove him to the station after we took him into custody. He killed many more people than he was charged and convicted for, probably in excess of a hundred more.

 

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My Buddy used to tell me a lot of Manson stories. He sold dope for him back in the day. Lived out in Trona. He had a new Camero he bought him to run around in. He spent a lot of time in Prison back then. Almost got life for 3 strikes for a gram of speed. He is old now and been clean since I met him 20 years ago. He hasn't mentioned anything since his GF. Her Kids probably would of freaked out knowing who was living in there house. I got him into off roading and hooked on Glamis back in the day. After a few years he opened up. I was the young Kid across the street with all the toys. And he came over and asked me where I always went every weekend with my toyhauler. GLAMIS!
 

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The night stalker Richard Ramirez struck two houses from mine while we lived there in Diamond bar . Happened in Aug 1985 , we lived on Fern Hollow Dr . Cops taped off my neighbors and our yard where there was a set of rose bushes were they did a plaster footprint . There was a green belt next to the fwy that had stairs going down into the green belt were they said he was there for a night or 2 . Dogs kept barking for two nights .
 

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Oh yes. Several in fact.
The biggest one was Robert Hansen.
I was class of 79 but while in high school we would hang at Hansens Bakery. Bob would let us hang out there when we’d skip school. We’d buy donuts and hang out and he’d let us have free sodas or coffee while we skipped class.
We all knew him, hell everyone knew him.
I was working as a machinist in Anchorage when he got arrested in ‘83. I had quite a few cops that were customers at the shop I worked at. The Anchorage cops sort of had to go outside the chain and walk the case over to the troopers. The State Troopers were the ones that had a few bodies over a few years that they were trying to figure out.
First contact was a 17 yo girl that got away while he was preflighting his super cub to fly her out to his killing field. She was picked up by a civilian who saw her running naked and handcuffed right down 5th Avenue.
Citizen took her to a motel and called the cops.
She led them to Hansens plane and subsequently his house where he had tortured her for
2-3 days before getting ready to kill her.
When they finally zeroed in on him for real and searched his house the found all his stuff. The map with the gravesites was the kicker. He confessed to like 17 or so but would not confess to a bunch more. They think those ones were his necrophelia ones and he just wouldn’t admit to those, or whatever other reasons.
Initially the cops did not believe Hansen was a suspect. It took some commitment by a couple individual cops over 2 agencies to push it forward.
If that girl had not escaped it’s hard to say how long he would have operated. Even after that they didn’t really believe her.
I remember all this like it was yesterday.
To us he always just seemed sort of geeky but successful.
There’s a few movies about him, a bunch of documentaries, and an entire hour episode of “Ice cold killers”.


A friend I grew up with was directly responsible for the apprehension of Charles Meach.
Meach was a resident of the Alaska Psychiatric Institute in Anchorage were he was serving a long sentence for murder. Well, Meach had been granted work release and ride his bicycle to whatever job he had each day. My friend was walking his dogs in a city park near where we all lived. He often did this. In the woods he saw 4 teenagers laying beside a tent. This wasn’t particularly unusual for this park. He walked back toward his van and he saw a mt bike leaning against a tree. He looked around and fully intended to steal the bike. Lol
His dogs started barking and he saw a “weird looking guy” watching him from behind some trees. He left.
Well, those kids were dead, shot in the head, but my friend did not know that. Long story short the cops had somehow developed a theory about a psych patient commiting the murders. They had an APB out on my friends van and quickly made contact. He told his story and they took him to API where he ID’d the bicycle in the bike rack and subsequently picked Meach out of a photo array.


Then there was the guy that tried to kill my mom, but that’s a whole different story.
 
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Same guy?

Nice guy. He originally knocked his Dads friend in the head and tied him up in a closet and took his car. He ended up having a heart attack before they found him. The POS was sentenced to 15 years. Was out in 5. He came in to look at a car, my Father thought he was odd. So he got me from the service desk to go for a ride with him. 2 years later I was talking to a good friend downtown. Brenda watched the color go out of my face. I said that is the guy who held me up. Yep, he was out. Came back to town to get his girl friend.
 

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Maybe not 'infamous' . . . but pretty gnarly . . .

My best friend in high school lived with us for several months . . . his Mom wanted to keep him away from his Dads side of the family.
We didn't ask any questions.

One day at school someone taped a newspaper clipping on his locker that read, "Medina Sentenced to Death" as a joke . . . he crinkled it up & didn't laugh . . . turns out it was his uncle. Went on a shooting spree killing 4 in Santa Ana.

Senior year we took our prom dates over to meet his Dad (i'd never even seen him) . . . turns out he was the personal bodyguard for Elvis Presley . . . at 1st I thought 'bullshit' . . . then we walked inside and he had pictures all over the place of he and Elvis at diff. locations.

I'll never forget his dad . . . scared the hell out of me. . . (giant dude / block mason) put his hand on my shoulder and said, "I want you to start lifting and come to work for me and start doing collections" ( I was just scrawny surfer) . . . . After I asked 'WTF did that mean'???/ . . . my buddy said his dad did collections for the mafia and was a leg breaker, and was a paid a % of what ever was owed. Said one time they dressed as the Gas Co. in a Vegas hotel to get in a room and ended up breaking both legs of some guy who owed a shit ton of money.
 
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This serial Killer used to work for us - Bruce Mendenhall.

I met him once when he was picking up a paycheck for his nephew who worked for me and quit without notice - He actually threatened one of my best friends who was over our trucking operations but he never took him seriously.

I remember getting a phone call at 3am in Reno from my buddy waking me up and saying "Holy Shit" and telling me to turn on the news. That's when he was having second thoughts about discounting the threat. FBI spent some time with him afterwards related to other crimes they suspected may have occurred during his employment with us.

 

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I feel like I’m watching 20/20 or dateline 😂 I think RDP needs to have a podcast of all these wild stories .. call it “Confessions or Close Call”
 
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