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I've drank at some of the same saloons out here that the Earps and Holliday gambled and drank at. I drove by the cemetery Big Nose Kate is buried in this morning on the way to coffee.

"There is no normal life, just life...ya' live it."

"It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds."
 
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Michael Biehn, Johnny Ringo in Tombstone, moved to Havasu and went to high school there back in the day. He's the same age as me so that was 'really' back in the day.
 
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and I don’t like the way your company gave me fucking keys to a fucking car that isn’t fucking there.:D Sorry, wrong movie.:p
 
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I love the translation of Latin between doc and Johnny and what they are actually saying to each other. Fan-Fuckin-tastic writing!!


Doc: In vino veritas.

Ringo: Age quod agis.

Doc: Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego.

Ringo: Iuventus stultorum magister.

Doc: In pace requiescat.


The literal meaning is

Doc: In wine there is truth.

Ringo: Do what you’re doing.

Doc: Let the Jew Apella believe it, not I.

Ringo: Youth is the teacher of fools.

Doc: Rest in peace.

This dialogue has a lot of subtlety:

  • There’s truth in wine.
    Along with being a gambler, Doc is a heavy drinker. Just prior, he said he hated Johnny because he reminded him of himself and later because Johnny is an educated man. Doc acknowledges that he is speaking more frankly than he otherwise might to a member of a criminal gang.
  • Do what you’re doing.
    Members of the Jesuit order use this Latin phrase to those undergoing Jesuit formation that they should focus intensely on their work. In English, we might say “Concentrate on the task at hand.” In the film, the task at hand was Doc’s drunkenness, hardly worthy of the high-minded admonition.
  • Let the Jew Apella believe it, not I.
    This is a quotation of Satires by the ancient poet Horace. In book one, satire five, people were trying to convince travelers that miracles were taking place at their shrines. Rather than a simple “I don’t believe you,” this phrase is utterly dismissive. In English, we might say it as “Go tell someone who will believe it.” Doc is likewise brushing off Johnny.
  • Youth is the teacher of fools.
    Johnny is the younger of the two, but with this line and by tapping his pistols, he implies that Doc is the inexperienced one unaware of the danger he’s flirting with. Johnny could have conveyed similar meaning with “Don’t bite off more than you can chew, boy.”
  • Rest in peace.
    This phrase is a common fixture of grave markers with which Doc warns that Johnny should beware the danger at hand and foreshadows the showdown between Doc and Johnny later in the film
 
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Tank said:
I love the translation of Latin between doc and Johnny and what they are actually saying to each other. Fan-Fuckin-tastic writing!!


Doc: In vino veritas.

Ringo: Age quod agis.

Doc: Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego.

Ringo: Iuventus stultorum magister.

Doc: In pace requiescat.


The literal meaning is

Doc: In wine there is truth.

Ringo: Do what you’re doing.

Doc: Let the Jew Apella believe it, not I.

Ringo: Youth is the teacher of fools.

Doc: Rest in peace.

This dialogue has a lot of subtlety:

  • There’s truth in wine.
    Along with being a gambler, Doc is a heavy drinker. Just prior, he said he hated Johnny because he reminded him of himself and later because Johnny is an educated man. Doc acknowledges that he is speaking more frankly than he otherwise might to a member of a criminal gang.
  • Do what you’re doing.
    Members of the Jesuit order use this Latin phrase to those undergoing Jesuit formation that they should focus intensely on their work. In English, we might say “Concentrate on the task at hand.” In the film, the task at hand was Doc’s drunkenness, hardly worthy of the high-minded admonition.
  • Let the Jew Apella believe it, not I.
    This is a quotation of Satires by the ancient poet Horace. In book one, satire five, people were trying to convince travelers that miracles were taking place at their shrines. Rather than a simple “I don’t believe you,” this phrase is utterly dismissive. In English, we might say it as “Go tell someone who will believe it.” Doc is likewise brushing off Johnny.
  • Youth is the teacher of fools.
    Johnny is the younger of the two, but with this line and by tapping his pistols, he implies that Doc is the inexperienced one unaware of the danger he’s flirting with. Johnny could have conveyed similar meaning with “Don’t bite off more than you can chew, boy.”
  • Rest in peace.
    This phrase is a common fixture of grave markers with which Doc warns that Johnny should beware the danger at hand and foreshadows the showdown between Doc and Johnny later in the film
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Latin is not my strong suit. Makes you wonder if there is any truth to that. Johnny Ringo was just known as a gunslinger, whereas Doc was an actual dentist. That being the case, he may have known Latin from his education.

Either way, that saloon scene is one of the best in western movies.
 
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My favorite movie of all time. I just wish I had seen it on the Big Screen when it was released. Hopefully somebody in Hollyweird is smart enough to re-release this in the theatres someday. It has a huge cult following!
 
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HB2Havasu said:
My favorite movie of all time. I just wish I had seen it on the Big Screen when it was released. Hopefully somebody in Hollyweird is smart enough to re-release this in the theatres someday. It has a huge cult following!
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The writing on that movie is so good it could EASILY turn into what Rocky Horror Picture Show was / is with people dressing the part and yelling the lines at the screen. That would be a lot of fun.
 
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Tank said:
The writing on that movie is so good it could EASILY turn into what Rocky Horror Picture Show was / is with people dressing the part and yelling the lines at the screen. That would be a lot of fun.
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Yes, i here having revolvers and shotguns goes over well in theaters:p
 
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