WTF now Glamis Narcs?

[DaveH]

I don't know who the self anointed moron, who decides to come through camps and point out "violations", camera in hand, looking for HIS version of "thats not allowed" thinks he is.

I know there are many here that frequent the dunes and i have been going for MANY years but never seen anything like this. To a certain extent, i get it....the dunes have been trashed over the years and there are many tards out there leaving junk behind.

But now we have a Glamis Narc, running around shaming and suggesting you do "this or that"? Its a good thing some of my rowdier buddies weren't there or this guy would find himself stuffed into the outhouse head down at road runner.

rant over, but seriously someone needs to GET A LIFE and mind their own Fing business.

 

[EmpirE231]

can we get some more details? what happened exactly? curious because we'll be there this weekend and haven't heard anything about this.

 

[Tank]

Sounds like someone needs a blanket party.

 

[DaveH]

can we get some more details? what happened exactly? curious because we'll be there this weekend and haven't heard anything about this.

just some DB in a POS manyx style buggy, wearing a BLM hat, going to the pads (and who knows where else) bitching........."your pass needs to hang from your rearview mirror so LE can see it" (hey moron the motorhome doesnt have a rear view mirror) or "make sure you throw that broken chair away" or taking pics of license plates becasue he didnt see a pass displayed etc etc etc.

point is he had no legal authority and yet felt compelled to walk from camp to camp and hassle people.

 

[Englewood]

just some DB in a POS manyx style buggy, wearing a BLM hat, going to the pads (and who knows where else) bitching........."your pass needs to hang from your rearview mirror so LE can see it" (hey moron the motorhome doesnt have a rear view mirror) or "make sure you throw that broken chair away" or taking pics of license plates becasue he didnt see a pass displayed etc etc etc.

point is he had no legal authority and yet felt compelled to walk from camp to camp and hassle people.

just some DB in a POS manyx style buggy, wearing a BLM hat, going to the pads (and who knows where else) bitching........."your pass needs to hang from your rearview mirror so LE can see it" (hey moron the motorhome doesnt have a rear view mirror) or "make sure you throw that broken chair away" or taking pics of license plates becasue he didnt see a pass displayed etc etc etc.

point is he had no legal authority and yet felt compelled to walk from camp to camp and hassle people.

I’d follow him around and take pictures of him taking pictures. I can be petty too.

 

[Doc]

He should go to wash 6 on a weekend and try it, that would be funny!

 

[dezertrider]

He will walk into the wrong camp one day and regret his behavior.

 

[Wizard29]

point is he had no legal authority and yet felt compelled to walk from camp to camp and hassle people.

That's the camp host and he is commissioned by the BLM to do exactly what he's doing.

Give him a hard time or assault him and I guarantee your camp will be crawling with BLM and ICSO cops pretty quick.

Fact is we wouldn't need anything like this out there if there weren't so many shitheads ruining the place.

Maybe some of the things he's pointing out seem stupid and overzealous, but the bigger picture reality is he's helping to make the place better...like helping to eliminate the ghost camps so the rest of us can actually get a spot when we come in.

 

[Doc]

So is he actually with Blm or someone who is impersonating Blm?

EDIT: Nevermind seen Wizards post about being a camp host. Hmm that's a new one, haven't heard of this.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

He will walk into the wrong camp one day and regret his behavior.

That won’t work out too well.

 

[wallnutz]

He rode up on his bike to our camp on pad 5 between Christmas and New Years. He just asked if everyone had a pass, he didn't ever go look. I ask who he was and he told me he was the camp host down at Roadrunner and he was trying to help out the BLM patrols so they could be free to do other things. (harass someone else) Seemed alright, maybe a little dorky.

 

[Bpracing1127]

When I went a few weeks ago I must have picked up 30 empty beer cans at olds. Crazy how people can’t take them with them

 

[JJ McClure]

Was he wearing a RDP tshirt?

 

[BIGRED9158]

Dose he put his shopping cart back

 

[76sanger]

With all the me,me,me people that only think of themselves that go out to glamis, the river, havasu and so on, ya, they need to be reminded about some things. This guy sounds like he wasn't out trying to BUTT hurt anyone. I guess you could have the cops or BLM or the rangers coming by and writing tickets and not just talking.

 

[Wicky]

That's the camp host and he is commissioned by the BLM to do exactly what he's doing.

Give him a hard time or assault him and I guarantee your camp will be crawling with BLM and ICSO cops pretty quick.

Fact is we wouldn't need anything like this out there if there weren't so many shitheads ruining the place.

Maybe some of the things he's pointing out seem stupid and overzealous, but the bigger picture reality is he's helping to make the place better...like helping to eliminate the ghost camps so the rest of us can actually get a spot when we come in.

When I went a few weeks ago I must have picked up 30 empty beer cans at olds. Crazy how people can’t take them with them

30 beer cans...probably all under 21 year olds that don't want to get caught with any evidence. A by product of a stupid law requiring one to be 21 to drink.
Litter skyrocketed in the 70s when open container and dui laws changed. It isn't litter. It is evidence and they don't want to get caught.

 

[Mototrig]

And this is why I camp in the washes, way down wash road. To stay away from the retards...

We were there Superbowl weekend until today (Monday) at 14, the furthest camp in to the dunes about a half mile from wash road. A few campers were there....nice and quiet just like I like it.

 

[DaveH]

That's the camp host and he is commissioned by the BLM to do exactly what he's doing.

Give him a hard time or assault him and I guarantee your camp will be crawling with BLM and ICSO cops pretty quick.

Fact is we wouldn't need anything like this out there if there weren't so many shitheads ruining the place.

Maybe some of the things he's pointing out seem stupid and overzealous, but the bigger picture reality is he's helping to make the place better...like helping to eliminate the ghost camps so the rest of us can actually get a spot when we come in.

So what you are saying is the BLM has someone with no legal authority out doing THEIR job? for real? so can i start pulling over tards on the highway and become the new "highway host"?

this is lunacy to me.

not saying there isnt a problem with idiots at the dunes. there is. but this isnt how you handle it.

 

[BIGRED9158]

So what you are saying is the BLM has someone with no legal authority out doing THEIR job? for real? so can i start pulling over tards on the highway and become the new "highway host"?

this is lunacy to me.

not saying there isnt a problem with idiots at the dunes. there is. but this isnt how you handle it.

gekico is a state camp ground most state camp grounds have a camp host this is also why this was closed when covid hit and people were told they had to move

 

[gordon]

Its the new camp host at roadrunner. Met him and wife I guess they live at the loop now so weird its like they want some power. Last guy from Canada was just as bad

 

[Wizard29]

So what you are saying is the BLM has someone with no legal authority out doing THEIR job? for real? so can i start pulling over tards on the highway and become the new "highway host"?

this is lunacy to me.

not saying there isnt a problem with idiots at the dunes. there is. but this isnt how you handle it.

No, that's not what I'm saying. Did he give you a ticket or detain/arrest you in any sort of way? He does have the legal authority to stop and talk to you if he notices something though.

His function is primarily education and reporting of issues to BLM as necessary. As opposed to having a ranger out there all of the time, they have this guy who is far cheaper and there 24/7 to help BLM become aware of issues that need attention. This is actually a good approach to minimum staffing and financial limitations. When the rangers free up, they can make a pass through and address more issues in one trip than they could on a sporadic patrol.

His other function is education. Not everybody knows the rules out there and sometimes it helps to have an educator on the ground. Kind of like some of you are being educated right now.

You might give him an attitude and tell him to fuck off, at which point he'll probably go away, make note of that, and you'll get a visit from the rangers later.

Or you can be cool with the guy and have a reasonable conversation with him. Big difference between:

"Hey moron, the motorhome doesn't have a rear view mirror."

And:

"Oh, I get that they need to see the pass, but the motorhome doesn't have a rear view mirror. Where's a good place to put it instead?"

He doesn't appear to be that official and I get that could be a problem. Some improvement there might help, but there could be reasons why they don't do that. I'd say he should start every new conversation with an introduction of who he is (and I would hope he does that), but everybody has a different approach.

So now you know.

 

[Wizard29]

Its the new camp host at roadrunner. Met him and wife I guess they live at the loop now so weird its like they want some power. Last guy from Canada was just as bad

Or he just feels like he's able to do his part to keep the place from going to complete shit and keeping it a place that families can go to enjoy?

I commend the guy for stepping up. Some of the newer glamis-goers have no idea how it used to be when there was no need for any of this because people were just decent and considerate of others.

 

[MK1MOD0]

Sounds like Barney Fife needs a tuneup. Nothing worse than some lame little twerp with a tiny bit of “ authority “ .

 

[DaveH]

so it is offical. we have glamis BLM narcs. got it.

 

[Wizard29]

so it is offical. we have glamis BLM narcs. got it.

Call it what you like.

Darndest thing...I've been going out there for 30+ years and have never had a bad interaction with the rangers or camp hosts.

Wonder how I've pulled that off with all the narcs and nazi rangers out there who apparently like to harass people for no reason?

Weird.

 

[DaveH]

Call it what you like.

Darndest thing...I've been going out there for 30+ years and have never had a bad interaction with the rangers or camp hosts.

Wonder how I've pulled that off with all the narcs and nazi rangers out there who apparently like to harass people for no reason?

Weird.

been going for 30+ years and never had narcs AKA hosts out there running through peoples camps. funny in 30 years of going i have NEVER received a ticket for trash, no pass, loud music, unacceptable fire wood etc etc etc.........and i never said the rangers were harassing ME or anyone else around us and have NO PROBLEM with them doing there job. but its THEIR job and not the narcs to do.

call it what you like but a snitch is a snitch no matter who they work for or what their self righteous intentions are.

 

[Wizard29]

been going for 30+ years and never had narcs AKA hosts out there running through peoples camps. funny in 30 years of going i have NEVER received a ticket for trash, no pass, loud music, unacceptable fire wood etc etc etc.........and i never said the rangers were harassing ME or anyone else around us and have NO PROBLEM with them doing there job. but its THEIR job and not the narcs to do.

call it what you like but a snitch is a snitch no matter who they work for or what their self righteous intentions are.

The rangers have employed this as a tool to do their job. It's not uncommon.

As they say, snitches get stitches. Maybe you should try it here in this situation and see how it goes.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Has the cart narc found a new job.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

been going for 30+ years and never had narcs AKA hosts out there running through peoples camps. funny in 30 years of going i have NEVER received a ticket for trash, no pass, loud music, unacceptable fire wood etc etc etc.........and i never said the rangers were harassing ME or anyone else around us and have NO PROBLEM with them doing there job. but its THEIR job and not the narcs to do.

call it what you like but a snitch is a snitch no matter who they work for or what their self righteous intentions are.

So you’re ok with ghost camps that exceed the amount of time they’re allowed to be parked?

If so then I’d think you’d have no problem with homeless camps in your neighborhood? Or random motorhomes parked on city streets for extended amounts of time?

 

[CLdrinker]

I know if a solution.

Follow the rules problem solved.

 

[Javajoe]

What is he snitching on that’s a problem?

 

[DaveH]

So you’re ok with ghost camps that exceed the amount of time they’re allowed to be parked?

If so then I’d think you’d have no problem with homeless camps in your neighborhood? Or random motorhomes parked on city streets for extended amounts of time?

i detest ghost campers. but im not going around reporting them either......as if me voicing my concern to the rangers would actually mean anything.....they have their "official" snitches for that. or we let the ranger do their job of law enforcement and mind our own business.

 

[Dunerking]

When I went a few weeks ago I must have picked up 30 empty beer cans at olds. Crazy how people can’t take them with them

Been collecting lazy asses cans for years from the hills..Shitty thing is they had the room to haul them out there…

 

[Wizard29]

i detest ghost campers. but im not going around reporting them either......as if me voicing my concern to the rangers would actually mean anything.....they have their "official" snitches for that. or we let the ranger do their job of law enforcement and mind our own business.

It sounds like we are on the same page about following the rules and being decent people out there and I appreciate that.

We also agree that enforcing the rules is a ranger responsibility. But the reality though is that enforcement of many of the rules can require somewhat constant monitoring. The current ranger staffing level just doesn't allow for that.

So that basically leaves 3 options:

- We have these camp hosts to help out
- We can increase the pass fees, taxes, etc. to pay for more rangers
- We have the place closed because it is no longer practical to run

I know which one I'd rather have.

 

[Doc]

It sounds like we are on the same page about following the rules and being decent people out there and I appreciate that.

We also agree that enforcing the rules is a ranger responsibility. But the reality though is that enforcement of many of the rules can require somewhat constant monitoring. The current ranger staffing level just doesn't allow for that.

So that basically leaves 3 options:

- We have these camp hosts to help out
- We can increase the pass fees, taxes, etc. to pay for more rangers
- We have the place closed because it is no longer practical to run

I know which one I'd rather have.

I think anyone i.e. Camp host or Ranger comes into a camp they should be professional and cool. I can promise you that if they do they would be welcomed and treated just as well if not better by the people camping 95% of the time. However, if this guy starts running through camps with a bad attitude because he's power hungry I fear he's putting himself in a possible bad position.

I've had one interaction with the Rangers. Although it didn't work out in my favor guy was cool and professional. There was another guy who was well known out there a few years ago that was just on a rampage from what I hear. He would enter camps and just go off on people for anything he could find. He towed a good chunk of people to. Bottom line it's just about how everyone approaches people.

 

[DaveH]

It sounds like we are on the same page about following the rules and being decent people out there and I appreciate that.

We also agree that enforcing the rules is a ranger responsibility. But the reality though is that enforcement of many of the rules can require somewhat constant monitoring. The current ranger staffing level just doesn't allow for that.

So that basically leaves 3 options:

- We have these camp hosts to help out
- We can increase the pass fees, taxes, etc. to pay for more rangers
- We have the place closed because it is no longer practical to run

I know which one I'd rather have.

this is where you and i differ.....i dont drink the BLM cool aide.

there ARE other options. SOMEHOW glamis existed before there was a fee to even get in. if we want to go into a discussion about how the BLM and ISDRA spend their money thats a different topic. i will say that they DO want the place shut down and the old adage of "let them hang themselves comes to mind" and brings about lack of enforcement.

 

[Wizard29]

this is where you and i differ.....i dont drink the BLM cool aide.

there ARE other options. SOMEHOW glamis existed before there was a fee to even get in. if we want to go into a discussion about how the BLM and ISDRA spend their money thats a different topic. i will say that they DO want the place shut down and the old adage of "let them hang themselves comes to mind" and brings about lack of enforcement.

If you consider accepting reality drinking the BLM Kool Aid, then I guess I won't be dehydrated any time soon.

Glamis existed before as a result of a lot less visitation and consequently a lot less problems.

What ARE the other options you speak of?

 

[Icky]

Been collecting lazy asses cans for years from the hills..Shitty thing is they had the room to haul them out there…

The glass by comp seems to have gonna worse. We pick up a little everytime we go and it's still littered with it.

 

[Big B Hova]

I'd watch a dude with a tactical vest and a bullhorn fucking with drunk red necks in the middle of Glamis. That would be an awesome show.

 

[Outdrive1]

What pos shit, getting hired to be camp director and driving around doing his job. Fuck that turd.

 

[BingerFang]

Maybe he’s angry because he hasn’t got his Speed car yet?

 

[Racey]

Go easy on DaveH, he just quit cigarettes

 

[Melloyellovector]

Sounds like 1 person figured out a way to be in 1 location longer then 15 days, genius lol
Im not sure how nice I’d be, I suppose it would depend on his approach. Come in hot, he’ll leave hotter. Must say I haven’t had a bad experience w BLM since my teens, so I could care less if blm comes in.

 

[JJ McClure]

Has the cart narc found a new job.

See post #13. Try to keep up RR

 

[Orange Juice]

Glad I keep my shit in order, so I don’t get shamed.

 

[jailbird141]

No, that's not what I'm saying. Did he give you a ticket or detain/arrest you in any sort of way? He does have the legal authority to stop and talk to you if he notices something though.

His function is primarily education and reporting of issues to BLM as necessary. As opposed to having a ranger out there all of the time, they have this guy who is far cheaper and there 24/7 to help BLM become aware of issues that need attention. This is actually a good approach to minimum staffing and financial limitations. When the rangers free up, they can make a pass through and address more issues in one trip than they could on a sporadic patrol.

His other function is education. Not everybody knows the rules out there and sometimes it helps to have an educator on the ground. Kind of like some of you are being educated right now.

You might give him an attitude and tell him to fuck off, at which point he'll probably go away, make note of that, and you'll get a visit from the rangers later.

Or you can be cool with the guy and have a reasonable conversation with him. Big difference between:

"Hey moron, the motorhome doesn't have a rear view mirror."

And:

"Oh, I get that they need to see the pass, but the motorhome doesn't have a rear view mirror. Where's a good place to put it instead?"

He doesn't appear to be that official and I get that could be a problem. Some improvement there might help, but there could be reasons why they don't do that. I'd say he should start every new conversation with an introduction of who he is (and I would hope he does that), but everybody has a different approach.

So now you know.

Just to clarify, a camp ground host has no "legal authority". None. He is a civilian and has the same right as any other citizen to stop and talk to anyone. There is no "legal authority" required to talk to someone in a public place. A camp ground host can observe and report. That is all.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Or he just feels like he's able to do his part to keep the place from going to complete shit and keeping it a place that families can go to enjoy?

I commend the guy for stepping up. Some of the newer glamis-goers have no idea how it used to be when there was no need for any of this because people were just decent and considerate of others.

I total agree with you.... Pack it in pack it out,... some of the dumb fucs at the dunes now think trash day is monday and when they leave they leave a nice pile of trash at their camp....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Just to clarify, a camp ground host has no "legal authority". None. He is a civilian and has the same right as any other citizen to stop and talk to anyone. There is no "legal authority" required to talk to someone in a public place. A camp ground host can observe and report. That is all.

not so,... every citizen has the right to make a citizen arrest...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

What pos shit, getting hired to be camp director and driving around doing his job. Fuck that turd.

LOL.... does he live in the keys at parker???

 

[2FORCEFULL]

here's where we are at in todays world.... if you see something say something.... the I can do what ever I want if a cop doesn't see me will never work...