Workers cheating on time cards.

[boatnam2]

We use kronos and badge in for everything, start time is 5:30 at 5:31 you late a dinged, we also punch in and out for 30 minute lunch, 31 you get written up.

 

[Ziggy]

Do they ever blame your for lost keys?

 

[Buoy]

We use kronos and badge in for everything, start time is 5:30 at 5:31 you late a dinged, we also punch in and out for 30 minute lunch, 31 you get written up.

As a worker, and I was busting my azz, I'd tell ya to fuck off.
As an employer, I'd love it, but have leniency for the guys busting hump, and use it to get rid of slackers.

 

[Tom Brown]

As a worker, and I was busting my azz, I'd tell ya to fuck off.
As an employer, I'd love it, but have leniency for the guys busting hump, and use it to get rid of slackers.

It really burns me to read about employees ripping off their employers. It's straight up theft. ... but employers who are as petty as you come across docking pay down to the minute are going to get the uninspired disengaged workforce they deserve. At some point, a little respect goes a long way. That goes for both sides of this deal.

Someone in my family was docked for coming in late on a day when everyone was late. She is not normally late but it was almost a blizzard and she rolled in at 8:12 and punched her clock. Interestingly, she got in 15 minutes before her manager. This family member was docked 30 minutes pay for being late.

She's normally pretty passive but I was delighted that she went to her union and had an entire year of clock records reviewed. She picked up about $20K on the deal with all of the unpaid overtime she was working. It was a victory for honesty. If the clock has the final word, so be it.

As best as I can tell, the guy who would dock you for coming in 1 minute late is the same guy who would fly off the handle if you put in 30 minutes of extra labor if he directly asked you to stay 30 minutes late.

... so I'm great with the clock but now it goes both ways and, if I were on the receiving end of it, I'd get a lawyer to make it stick. There are enough jobs that I don't need to let anyone rip me off. If an employee is ripping off his company, he needs to go. If a company is ripping off it's employees, it needs to go.

I'm fortunate to work in an environment that isn't like any of this. I'm paid until 4:30pm. When I left at 6:10 this evening, there were still a couple of other people in the office. We take calls at night, too. We're mostly OK to work that hard, although it does get a bit much at times and several have left because of it, but that would go out the window if the company started jacking us around.

 

[djunkie]

Must be union.

 

[coolchange]

Today I was 10 min late and left 10 min early AND took an extra 5 min at lunch. And that what I got paid for. I'm also the guy 15 min early alot and the guy bringing materials and tools from home. And finishing jobs before they have a chance to change thier minds. If they got on me for being 1 minute late there would be a Problem. Fuck that.
My SiL has a BIG landscaping co. You've seen thier trucks ,in the slow lane, doing the speed limit. They are all gps'd, and he has ALOT of them. Says it has paid for itself may times over. I knew a guy that bragged what a hero he was getting his licence and building a landscaping company and buying equipment. Turns out he worked for my SiL's co. and was dropping off a couple guys then going to his own jobs and using SIls employes and materials to do the job.

 

[Riverbound]

I use a system called Corrigo. I use mine for service but they also have a construction application that Im sure is good.

It tracks there time and places a stamp on the map where they start and stop there job. It automaticily adds there time to the jobs and syncs up with my Quickbooks. It takes my less then 2 min to do payroll now.

Its an App that they can download to any IPhone or Android. The best part is its on there phone that is also what you talk to them on, They always have it with them.

If you get it plan on loosing a few guys. The ones that complain the most are the ones ripping you off. I tell everyone its there to keep everyone honest.

I pay about 3k a year for 5 field guys. I think its another 5-600$ per year for each additional guy. Money well spent. Not having to track time cards and placing cost to jobs with out anyone in the office is priceless

I was gonna post abut the app you use. Glad you typed it up. Lol

With gps tracking and time stamp makes it hard to cheat the clock. I wish we had this when I was running the field employees in our family business.

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

Today I was 10 min late and left 10 min early AND took an extra 5 min at lunch. And that what I got paid for. I'm also the guy 15 min early alot and the guy bringing materials and tools from home. And finishing jobs before they have a chance to change thier minds. If they got on me for being 1 minute late there would be a Problem. Fuck that.
My SiL has a BIG landscaping co. You've seen thier trucks ,in the slow lane, doing the speed limit. They are all gps'd, and he has ALOT of them. Says it has paid for itself may times over. I knew a guy that bragged what a hero he was getting his licence and building a landscaping company and buying equipment. Turns out he worked for my SiL's co. and was dropping off a couple guys then going to his own jobs and using SIls employes and materials to do the job.

when your a UNION shop chit like that just does'nt happen :lmao










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[Rexone]

Many years ago I instituted time clock into our business. Before that it had just been straight pay on the honor system. You should have heard the bitching and complaining, it was deafening almost from a few. I had a dozen or so employees at the time. Funny though how payroll went down substantially and immediately. Long lunches, leaving early, coming in late, now no longer flew. They didn't like it because it stopped all the cheating on time. Those employees are all down the road now. New employees I have hired in past recent years have no issues with our timeclock system. Funny how that works.

You are on the right track Mandelon, get rid of the freeloaders. If they'll cheat you on time they'll cheat you in every other way you can't monitor also. (like dragging their ass on jobs on your dime). (like the tools that just happen to get lost on the job). (like taking side jobs based off your investment and advertising).

 

[BoostPower]

Many years ago I instituted time clock into our business. Before that it had just been straight pay on the honor system. You should have heard the bitching and complaining, it was deafening almost from a few. I had a dozen or so employees at the time. Funny though how payroll went down substantially and immediately. Long lunches, leaving early, coming in late, now no longer flew. They didn't like it because it stopped all the cheating on time. Those employees are all down the road now. New employees I have hired in past recent years have no issues with our timeclock system. Funny how that works.

You are on the right track Mandelon, get rid of the freeloaders. If they'll cheat you on time they'll cheat you in every other way you can't monitor also. (like dragging their ass on jobs on your dime). (like the tools that just happen to get lost on the job). (like taking side jobs based off your investment and advertising).

Sounds like business!


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[Mandelon]

The union guys don't need to cheat....LOL life's too good already.

I think some sort of GPS phone tracker is going to be the ticket.

I have always been pretty lenient on time....I don't bust anyone's balls over a few minutes here or there. Honor system.. If you come late, stay late....gotta leave early, then show up early. Not a big deal. But some timecards always say EXACTLY 7:30 start time and EXACTLY 4:00 leaving time.... there is just no way that can happen.....day after day? Yeah right. So those guys I am suspicious of.

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

The union guys don't need to cheat....LOL life's too good already.

I think some sort of GPS phone tracker is going to be the ticket.

I have always been pretty lenient on time....I don't bust anyone's balls over a few minutes here or there. Honor system.. If you come late, stay late....gotta leave early, then show up early. Not a big deal. But some timecards always say EXACTLY 7:30 start time and EXACTLY 4:00 leaving time.... there is just no way that can happen.....day after day? Yeah right. So those guys I am suspicious of.

sounds like the course of normal business , so if you bid a job for 2- 8 hour days and a guy can get it done in 2- 6 hour days you still pay them the 16 or you pocket the 4 hours ??? theres guys that are faster at some jobs then others and make good time so in this case in your opinion they should slow down and make it last 8 hours ?? inquiring minds wanna know












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[Rexone]

If they're working on a time clock the above should not be relevant, they work 8 they get paid 8. They work 6, they get paid 6, not 8. If they're being paid job flat rate that's a different issue imo. The labor board will agree with me btw, if employee is monitored on time clock it is by the book. You punch in, you punch out, physically or remotely. You work over 8 you get paid OT. You work under 8 you get paid under 8.

The issue here is employee is artificially manipulating time clockings to fit his needs regardless of work time. That is a big no no.

 

[Maestro]

Consult someone to verify time of arrival to a job site and time of departure(stakeout) with video time stamp or photo time stamp. I would do this for a at least a pay period to verify its an ongoing issue. Make sure your GPS's are calibrated etc. Basically have all your ducts in a row. Therefore you have the evidence to verify reason for termination. This way you won't have any legal issue in front of a judge. Because everyone screams wrongful termination and becomes sue happy.

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

must'nt have a problem with there work output or they would of been checked up on at the job sites or let go some time ago ,lienent or not if your not makin any monies you would check into WHY NOT or if you just like changing dollas.









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[Froggystyle]

Rich...

You have heard my .02. FWIW, someone gaming the system is gonna happen. You build a bigger system, the game gets bigger.

I have always had luck inspiring my guys with the idea that their success is tied directly to mine. I'm gonna be fine... you guys may be out of a job. My work needs to be productive and profitable or I just go do something else. To protect you, I carry insurance, I pay your wage every week, along with workman's comp, I take the risk of estimating and each time I have to be thin enough to get the job, but fat enough to make a profit. When you fudge the hours worked, you screw up my estimating, and you are stealing from each other. The next time I have to estimate more hours, which cuts into potential profit.

You get the point. I have found across the board that opening up the communication and the realization of what we are all doing here from something other than the runway altitude goes a long way.

Make the changes, and try to tilt the odds in your favor so that the remaining guys aren't too scared to screw you, but rather that they just wouldn't because it isn't profitable for them.

Lastly... I would play a stronger physical role in the jobs. If they are traditionally leaving early, make a point of showing up at 3:30 to check on the jobs. If they aren't there, phone them and have them come back to show you the status. They should be there... they know it... and they know that they just got busted. Discuss it lightly, to reinforce that you consider that defrauding the business, and it won't be tolerated. My experience has shown that this is a fool-proof way to put a stop to leaving early. The only time people leave early is when the boss isn't there. That is the job of a boss... to be there.

BTW... I would stomp a mudhole in the lying supervisors back after that... and offline. I would explain that this is exactly the opposite of why he gets paid more as a supervisor, and do it once more you are back to day labor. Problem solved.

 

[OCMerrill]

I had an employee steal tools. The deed done over time so it was hard to notice. He eventually bragged to another employee who told me immediately.

I told the thief to open the trunk of his car if he wanted his final check. He refused, so did I. He went to the EDD and I got royally fucked (another thread). He got my tools and I was told its a Civil matter. Filed a police report that went nowhere. Never more angry at another human....pretty much ever.

So if you don't like them, suspect something, or even hate their shoes send them packing but give them their final check right then and there. :thumbsdown Tape it up on a street pole about 12' high and just say I don't know how it got there.

 

[Guest]

As Brown is always fond of saying.."If you ain't cheatin......you ain't trying....

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

I had an employee steal tools. The deed done over time so it was hard to notice. He eventually bragged to another employee who told me immediately.

I told the thief to open the trunk of his car if he wanted his final check. He refused, so did I. He went to the EDD and I got royally fucked (another thread). He got my tools and I was told its a Civil matter. Filed a police report that went nowhere. Never more angry at another human....pretty much ever.

So if you don't like them, suspect something, or even hate their shoes send them packing but give them their final check right then and there. :thumbsdown Tape it up on a street pole about 12' high and just say I don't know how it got there.

great post :thumbsup
and like said don't fvck with there paycheck :skull







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[BajaMike]

Yes, Please.

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