With all the Southern CA members….

[HNL2LHC]

Anyone know more about this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1832913726304899308

MSN

 

[propcheck]

I feel a retirement announcement coming soon

 

[HotRod82]

I try really hard to support the local police buy the gazillion videos like this on YouTube sure make it tough.
The cop could have easily de-escalated the situation but his ego got in the way.

 

[LHC30]

So, why was he there in the first place? I have absolutely no idea if this is the case, but the “Fleeing Felon Rule” is a real thing.

 

[monkeyswrench]

As a former delinquent, I'm going with the kid was a dumbass, was seen doing something, ran home to mommy, then was dumb enough to answer the door. As a kid, Pops would have carried me out to the cop by my ear. He wouldn't have agreed with the cops attitude, but sure as hell wouldn't have defended my F' up.

Do I agree with the cop? No, but some kids could use an ass whoopin', and not hide behind their parents.

 

[PlanB]

So, why was he there in the first place? I have absolutely no idea if this is the case, but the “Fleeing Felon Rule” is a real thing.

Yep, Fresh pursuit. We would need to know the circumstances in the above video, but that deputy could very well be justified in entering that home.

It looks like SCOTUS made a ruling on it in 2021. Still legal on a case by case basis.

Supreme Court Limits Warrantless Entry in Hot Pursuit - Lexipol

The Supreme Court limits warrantless entry of police officers following a hot pursuit in this recent case.

www.lexipol.com

 

[शू॑र]

Yep, Fresh pursuit. We would need to know the circumstances in the above video, but that deputy could very well be justified in entering that home.

It looks like SCOTUS made a ruling on it in 2021. Still legal on a case by case basis.

Supreme Court Limits Warrantless Entry in Hot Pursuit - Lexipol

The Supreme Court limits warrantless entry of police officers following a hot pursuit in this recent case.

www.lexipol.com

Just because the Saturnian black robe mafia cult says it "legal" doesn't make it right or acceptable behavior. SCOTUS in my opinion is compromised and controlled. Dude assaults the woman in her own home. I don't care if there's a kid that needs a "lesson", that asshole cop is out of control.

 

[HotRod82]

So, why was he there in the first place? I have absolutely no idea if this is the case, but the “Fleeing Felon Rule” is a real thing.

Don't know why he was there......however it must not have been too serious (like a fleeing felon) because the cop didn't have his firearm out and didn't just crash through the lady at the door. In a high risk situation, there would have been backup of some kind involved as well.
Appears to be a dumbass kid needing a talking to. IMO the cop would have gotten a lot further with the carrot rather than the stick.

 

[rcmike]

The US Constitution is a thing... Fuck this cop.

Courts interpretation of 4th amendment is VERY clear. Warrant required. Surround the house and get the warrant. There was ZERO hot pursuit. Cop ego on full display. She is going to get a huge payout, cop will resign and move from sheriff to PD or vice versa, and the people of that city will have half a million fewer dollars to provide services. So the cops will write more tickets against the people of that city to pad the budget, and stop trying to solve crime.

The fact that there are this many moron cops is unreal.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Funny how everyone is constitutionally aware, yet all we know is one side of the story...the "victim's". Watch the media enough, and that's all that's seen. Cop was an asshole, but I'm still betting the kid was too. Why would the kid be an asshole, probably not enough whoopin's from Pa.

 

[rcmike]

I agree the kid was probably an asshole. If the government wants to enter a home, then they need a warrant, signed by a magistrate or judge based on evidence.

Without the constitution, then the cops are nothing but a gang.

 

[rcmike]

Interesting take on this, with the actual circumstances (apparently they were too loud inside the house on the 4th of July) and case law. I know our resident LEOs will hate this, but maybe it will be educational. Ignore/skip his ad at the beginning to get right to the circumstances. It's worse then I thought based on the TikTok. She is going to be well paid. I generally like the Riverside Sherriff, but he is dead wrong here. There is really nothing to investigate here except to finish the paperwork for the union that is protecting this thug.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I agree the kid was probably an asshole. If the government wants to enter a home, then they need a warrant, signed by a magistrate or judge based on evidence.

Without the constitution, then the cops are nothing but a gang.

The Constitution is under a much larger attack. The acts of a few cops get the headlines...because they are allowed to be broadcast. It has nothing to do with the media's wanting to shine a light on wrong doings, that is not their job. They only want to use it as a tool to sow yet more discord among the people. We see this, but not signs of our own government, using our money, to import the people to rape and murder us. It's like the meme, the guy telling the king to get the torch holders and pitchfork holders to fight each other. All of us, Libs, Conservatives, cops, thugs...we're just pawns played against each other. The ones running the chessboard will continue to watch us kill ourselves off, as they laugh and steal.

 

[rcmike]

The Constitution is under a much larger attack. The acts of a few cops get the headlines...because they are allowed to be broadcast. It has nothing to do with the media's wanting to shine a light on wrong doings, that is not their job. They only want to use it as a tool to sow yet more discord among the people. We see this, but not signs of our own government, using our money, to import the people to rape and murder us. It's like the meme, the guy telling the king to get the torch holders and pitchfork holders to fight each other. All of us, Libs, Conservatives, cops, thugs...we're just pawns played against each other. The ones running the chessboard will continue to watch us kill ourselves off, as they laugh and steal.

I mean, I agree with that. But that does not excuse the cops wiping their ass with the constitution then pretending they did not know better. As we all know, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. But beyond that, these are very simple concepts. You want to go in a house? Go to a judge with a specific crime.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I mean, I agree with that. But that does not excuse the cops wiping their ass with the constitution then pretending they did not know better. As we all know, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. But beyond that, these are very simple concepts. You want to go in a house? Go to a judge with a specific crime.

The thing is, it's not all cops. "The Cops" makes it seem like every single one is a mobster. I have two good friends out here, one a local PD guy, the other high up in the SD. They aren't like that at all. For the most part, these issues come from areas where cops are more needed. Both in filling positions, and where the problems are. Out by me, we rarely see a cop car. By the time one got here, it would only be for paperwork.

In my eyes, the cop should be fired, though he'll probably just retire. The family shouldn't get a payout...no one died or even got injured. They'll claim psychological trauma though. It will just make more people want to push for more lawsuits.

 

[rcmike]

In my eyes, the cop should be fired, though he'll probably just retire. The family shouldn't get a payout...no one died or even got injured. They'll claim psychological trauma though. It will just make more people want to push for more lawsuits.

In my eyes, any time "the cops" start putting people in cuffs, we are way past the "no one got hurt" phase.. The part that pisses me off is that the people in that community are going to lose resources, and that cop will not lose his. He will claim "acting in good faith," claim he had no idea that the 4th amendment protects people in their homes explicitly, and assert qualified immunity. And he will prevail, because police are assumed to not know the law, are assumed to be acting in good faith, and in the end, the courts rely on the cops so they are not accountable.. So the lawsuit, the purpose of which is to make the agents of the government decide "is a noise complaint worth violating someone's rights?" will not make "the cops" think at all, because the union will pay for the lawyer that will remove the deputy from any liability.

If "the cops" were subject to random people just coming up and kidnapping them because those people were annoyed at "the cops" maybe "the cops" would understand that pretending that they are some kind of super citizens who are free to reimagine the constitution at any point on the grounds of "officer safety" makes "the people" hate them.

Back the blue until it happens to you..

 

[propcheck]

I feel as if this will result in the deputy being softly disciplined in public view but his upper command staff will make sure he knows he screwed up his handling of this situation every day he logs on for a while. I also feel this will gets lots of negative promotion because of who his boss is.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Its always awesome on these threads how these people like @rcmike so very obviously hate law enforcement and feel if not every single one is perfect then they are all garbage. Yet I guarantee you any one of those same people can name 3 or 4 people in their same profession that are garbage at their job, but still insist they they themselves are good at it and a good person. For fucks sake man!

There are bad people and bad employees in every job. The police being no different.

Here is a perfect example of how these videos that everybody sees the ops acting bad can be totally 1 sided and not show the entire story (I have no idea what the other side of the story is in the original post. Just stating the fact regarding many of these 'Bad Cop' videos and their background).

 

[rcmike]

There are very few professions where the main purpose of the job is to deprive people of their rights. When you choose to be a part of this profession then you really should be held to a higher standard. Instead, they are held to a much lower standard.

When you talk about there being bad people and bad employees in every profession, sure. So if a cop is late to muster on a regular basis, they might get disciplined. If they have a bad haircut, they will be reprimanded by the Sergeant.

But when they illegally enter a home, commit an assault because they are frustrated, and then a kidnapping, because they need to get control of the situation, the rest of the gang shows up, unconditionally backs up the gang member, then helps write the CYA narrative that spells out how she really had it coming. And then they try to REALLY fuck up her life, because to admit that this cop is out of control would be to step over that blue line. The "good" cops should be out here saying that this cop acted outside the law, and should at the minimum be disciplined, but instead they are silent. Or pretending that we do not see what we see with our own eyes.

So where are the good cops defending the 4th ammendment and free citizens? If the rest of the good cops refuse to stand for the rights of the people, then why should I support them?

This whole thing was over a noise complaint. Explain why the cop would not step outside to the porch and tell the mother it's time to turn off the stereo and shut it down? And instead decided to break in, commit assault, and kidnap the woman, then perjured himself to produce charges that will see this woman lose her kids? Charges that still stand as of yesterday?

 

[was thatguy]

Its always awesome on these threads how these people like @rcmike so very obviously hate law enforcement and feel if not every single one is perfect then they are all garbage. Yet I guarantee you any one of those same people can name 3 or 4 people in their same profession that are garbage at their job, but still insist they they themselves are good at it and a good person. For fucks sake man!

There are bad people and bad employees in every job. The police being no different.

Here is a perfect example of how these videos that everybody sees the ops acting bad can be totally 1 sided and not show the entire story (I have no idea what the other side of the story is in the original post. Just stating the fact regarding many of these 'Bad Cop' videos and their background).

Actually there is a monumental difference.
My profession is loaded with assholes.
Guess what?
They don’t have guns, badges, radios, flashing lights, clubs, mace, tazers, handcuffs, backup, and a 2” thick procedure book that tells them how to circumvent my rights.
Even the biggest asshole bosses in the oilfield know better than to do anything close to what this cop did…and what cops do every single day…because they know they’ll be charged, sued, dismissed, and blackballed.
As you know, Cops have immediate authority beyond what any non Leo has. It’s a non comparison.
THATS the difference.


As for the other posters…
This was no felony pursuit…if it was the cop wouldn't have knocked and he wouldn’t have stopped and he wouldn’t be alone at the door.
Anything the juvenile MAY have done (short of a real felony) DOES NOT minimize the homeowners rights.
My dad was a decorated military man, combat controller, superintendent of corrections…he would have absolutely stopped that cop at the door at all costs…THEN delivered me to them shortly afterwards if warranted.
The law is the law…both ways.

How in the fuck do we get to “the kid needs discipline” from a cop violating a homeowners rights?
All I can say is don’t complain when it happens to you…and don’t think you’re immune just because you aren’t a criminal. In fact, it’s usually a giant shock to an everyday person when they realize the cop is not their friend like they thought. They can’t believe the cop is being “mean” to them? They aren’t a criminal, why is this happening? Lol

What crime did the handcuffed homeowner commit?
She stood up to a cop who wanted that kid, and he wasn’t going to let some mere civilian stop him.
ALL we have is our rights. We don’t have all those tools like the cop has. And if we do employ resistance we will absolutely be overpowered and put in restraints at the least, and tazed or shot at the worst.
No coworker or boss in any other line of work can do that.
At least not in this country unless it’s by enslavement. (A real crime, btw)

I for one will never surrender even a small fraction of my rights.
I’m called a lot of names for having that position.
Karen, pussy, cop hater, even a 5150 candidate.
Lol

It saddens me that everyday law abiding people so easily and willingly allow their rights to be violated…they seem to think that’s how it should be, just do anything the cop says…because he’s a cop.
I don’t think there is any stopping it.
We will eventually be subjugated and it will be by our own hand.

 

[monkeyswrench]

First off, let preface this as best I can...I am probably the best and brightest, of the bottom of the barrel. There are quite a few crimes I probably should have been prosecuted for. I am no back the badge type, I've probably been and done more things than most in prison...luck mixed with a small amount of intelligence played a big role in maintaining my freedom.

Why don't cops come here to defend their jobs? F'k, talking to the anti-cop people is like talking to a Biden voter, a lost cause. There is no arguing, you decisions are made. No different than a racist and colors, or religions hating each other. Painting with broad strokes.

 

[was thatguy]

First off, let preface this as best I can...I am probably the best and brightest, of the bottom of the barrel. There are quite a few crimes I probably should have been prosecuted for. I am no back the badge type, I've probably been and done more things than most in prison...luck mixed with a small amount of intelligence played a big role in maintaining my freedom.

Why don't cops come here to defend their jobs? F'k, talking to the anti-cop people is like talking to a Biden voter, a lost cause. There is no arguing, you decisions are made. No different than a racist and colors, or religions hating each other. Painting with broad strokes.

“Painting with broad strokes”??
Yes you certainly are.

What do you think led me to my opinions?
Some you tube videos?
One too many bad cop images?
Do you think my eyes have deceived me?
I’m 62 years old. You are not the only one here with learned life lessons my friend, although your endless self deprecating soliloquies would make it seem so at times?
I’m not anti cop, I’m anti step on my rights.
There is a difference.
So now, according to your elevated wisdom, I’m not dissimilar to a:
Biden voter?
Racist?
Anti religion zealot?
Lost cause?
Normally this is where Id tell you to go fuck yourself and your broad strokes…but I won’t do that because you are you…and you don’t know everything…
So you got away with some shit? Big deal. Who hasn’t.


Pro tip:
If you are really at as low a station as you constantly remind us, then stop wasting billable hours on some web site and be the working class hero you portray.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Well sir, I struck a nerve. My wasted "billable" hours I spend here are most often times spent in waiting rooms, for two family members currently. As one seemed to improve, another has slipped into a realm recently that has sent me down a long road. I have not cared to enlighten the world as to the inner workings of my life, and what recently shapes my existence.

In more than a few ways, we have shared the same paths...

Did I "get away" with things in my past? Maybe from a legal standpoint, but they aren't the types of things that leave your mind. So no, I did not get away with them. More than anything, I lived through them.

"Portraying" a working class "hero"? I don't give two fucks what most people think. I actually do have some respect for you though, even though we have a different view on some things.

My day started taking one to school, then another to treatment. Then installing some parts I fixed this weekend, and installing injectors on a tractor. From there, came home, washed up and took another for an appointment. After that, picked up the first, we went to the gym, and then back to his practice (where my last post was penned). Came home, made dinner, ate dinner, and now penning my response. Day ain't over yet, still things that need doing, and added hurdles that may or may not arise. Kind of unpredictable that way. So, no, I don't feel I'm wasting time here. This is normally my social interaction with the outside world. It tends to be less chaotic than my own.

I don't have the time or the energy to "play a role" or "portray" something I am not. Much the same, I haven't the energy anymore to hate those I have yet to encounter. I'm sure I can still muster up the energy to do what needs doing, but most days I'll save that energy wasted on hate and anger to simply survive the day that lay before me. In short, I see individuals, not professions, colors or much of anything. Everyone's perspective is different though.

I guess, if I had to single out one profession that is ruining everything, and trampling freedoms, it would be politicians. That said, I've never met one.

 

[was thatguy]

Yeah you’ll generally get that type of response when you call people racists, Biden voters, anti religious zealots, and lost causes because they stand up for their rights…you do see the irony there right?
You say you don’t see professions. Your posts here would not illustrate that at all.
I am Sorry for your troubles.

 

[rcmike]

Why don't cops come here to defend their jobs? F'k, talking to the anti-cop people is like talking to a Biden voter, a lost cause. There is no arguing, you decisions are made. No different than a racist and colors, or religions hating each other. Painting with broad strokes.

I have 2 big problems, and one small problem with cops. You feel free to tell me where you think I am wrong.

Problem 1: The "bad" cops are intentionally ignorant of our constitutional rights, because by being "ignorant" then they maintain their qualified immunity. As a side point here, they also tend to see the constitution as an impediment to their job, and they train on how to circumvent the constitution.

Problem 2: The "good" cops refuse to deal with the "bad" cops. "good" cops should arrest "bad" cops. If they did, then people like me would not have a leg to stand on, right? But they refuse.

Tiny problem: The cops, at least where I live, refuse to investigate crime. This is because the DA refuses to prosecute crime. So I get it. Why waste time trying to stop the crime when you know your effort will be wasted. Instead, they spend their time on revenue generation. It's a joke.

 

[was thatguy]

I have 2 big problems, and one small problem with cops. You feel free to tell me where you think I am wrong.

Problem 1: The "bad" cops are intentionally ignorant of our constitutional rights, because by being "ignorant" then they maintain their qualified immunity. As a side point here, they also tend to see the constitution as an impediment to their job, and they train on how to circumvent the constitution.

Problem 2: The "good" cops refuse to deal with the "bad" cops. "good" cops should arrest "bad" cops. If they did, then people like me would not have a leg to stand on, right? But they refuse.

Tiny problem: The cops, at least where I live, refuse to investigate crime. This is because the DA refuses to prosecute crime. So I get it. Why waste time trying to stop the crime when you know your effort will be wasted. Instead, they spend their time on revenue generation. It's a joke.

The cops in your first example will mock citizens who say they know their rights, and especially citizens who tell the cop they know their rights. It’s almost like asking for it.
It’s like an inside joke…not to all cops…but to the cops that land in your first example. Then said cops proceed to show said citizen just what they think of their imagined rights. Like the cop in this OP video.

I actually disagree with your second example. There really are good cops who are better trained and have moral fiber that do step in and stop other cops sometimes. I don’t know if they make a real stand, but there are examples of good cops “correcting” out of bound cops, even arresting them. Usually these so called bad cops have a history and finally other cops have had enough of their bs, or they see that a real problem is being created.
MW thinks I hate cops. I do not.
I hate it when ANY person with immediate authority abuses their power and position. Even in small ways.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
That’s why cops are not empowered absolutely. Some think that concept is funny.

Part three? Yeah, who would even want to be a public servant in LE in cities like that.
Total waste of good men and women.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Yeah you’ll generally get that type of response when you call people racists, Biden voters, anti religious zealots, and lost causes because they stand up for their rights…you do see the irony there right?
You say you don’t see professions. Your posts here would not illustrate that at all.
I am Sorry for your troubles.

Actually, I didn't call you any of those things. What I was saying was the anti-cop ideology sometimes becomes the dominant trait, and seems to block out any way to try and reason or discuss. Conversely, I've had much the same disagreement with LE that can't see the problems the way citizens do.

As for seeing professions "here" on the site, I do to an extent because I like to know what things there are. Like in your job, making a drill change directions, that stuff is interesting. The sparky's do stuff that I like to know about so I don't fry myself wiring my welder, or lately working on gensets. Fabricators and machinists, well they're the types I'd want to learn from so when I use my lathe, I'll know how many turns, and not do what I do now, and stop every cut to put a caliper on. The numbers people? Well, I hope to be able to invest in something at some point.

I appreciate it about my troubles. They'll get better, they have in the past at least. It's been a rough couple years thus far, so should turn eventually.

I have 2 big problems, and one small problem with cops. You feel free to tell me where you think I am wrong.

Problem 1: The "bad" cops are intentionally ignorant of our constitutional rights, because by being "ignorant" then they maintain their qualified immunity. As a side point here, they also tend to see the constitution as an impediment to their job, and they train on how to circumvent the constitution.

Problem 2: The "good" cops refuse to deal with the "bad" cops. "good" cops should arrest "bad" cops. If they did, then people like me would not have a leg to stand on, right? But they refuse.

Tiny problem: The cops, at least where I live, refuse to investigate crime. This is because the DA refuses to prosecute crime. So I get it. Why waste time trying to stop the crime when you know your effort will be wasted. Instead, they spend their time on revenue generation. It's a joke.

I've never been face to face with problem #1. I know they exist though, because I have been in contact with problem #2's. I think they are a pretty big issue, and I don't understand them. I don't know if it's for the comfort and safety or what it is. Guys less worried about doing good, and more worried about doing OT. Those are the ones that bother me. I think that problem is more apparent in big outfits. That's also where you'd have the most LE. If there is a given % of problem people in general, than that number would also effect them I would think. Small towns seem to have less an issue with "brutality" I think, maybe because more people know each other?

The "tiny" problem is a huge one. It can be from bad cops becoming "leaders" and breeding stupidity. Most often though, it comes from politicians, buying votes essentially. With no punishment there can be no rule of law. This should apply to both citizens and LE, and should be equal.

 

[Doc]

I have 2 big problems, and one small problem with cops. You feel free to tell me where you think I am wrong.

Problem 1: The "bad" cops are intentionally ignorant of our constitutional rights, because by being "ignorant" then they maintain their qualified immunity. As a side point here, they also tend to see the constitution as an impediment to their job, and they train on how to circumvent the constitution.

Problem 2: The "good" cops refuse to deal with the "bad" cops. "good" cops should arrest "bad" cops. If they did, then people like me would not have a leg to stand on, right? But they refuse.

Tiny problem: The cops, at least where I live, refuse to investigate crime. This is because the DA refuses to prosecute crime. So I get it. Why waste time trying to stop the crime when you know your effort will be wasted. Instead, they spend their time on revenue generation. It's a joke.

Problem 2 isn't 100% correct, in fact I've been watching videos of cops arresting other cops for being "bad" or corrupt ect. I've seen videos of cops arresting other cops for DWI's also. Guys that flushed their careers down the toilet because they made decisions. You get arresting officers that are just by the book and tell them you f-ed up and should have known better and don't care that they are arresting other officers. Then you have other officers that feel bad and tell that person how they've put them in a bad spot because it's not what they want to do but have a moral and professional obligation to do so. They have even admitted how things are different with car and chest cams and there is no way out of it. Back in the day things were different, I've been told some crazy stories by older retired officers on the stuff they would do and how other officers would get their backs. More technology and accountability has put an end to most of that and some of the newer generations don't understand that.

That being said I am a huge supporter of law enforcement and have met some really good people in different agencies. I've ran into a few "bad apples" but I would never judge an entire department based on one or two bad apples. I feel every department has them. I also understand that cops are human just like me and they could be having a bad day and that if I am ever in a situation it's just as important for me as it is to the officer to de-escalate the situation verbally if possible.

 

[LazyLavey]

Dont look good but there's always 2 sides to the story....

I withhold my judgement til I know the whole story.... (Detective school 101)

 

[rcmike]

Problem 2 isn't 100% correct, in fact I've been watching videos of cops arresting other cops for being "bad" or corrupt ect. I've seen videos of cops arresting other cops for DWI's also. Guys that flushed their careers down the toilet because they made decisions. You get arresting officers that are just by the book and tell them you f-ed up and should have known better and don't care that they are arresting other officers. Then you have other officers that feel bad and tell that person how they've put them in a bad spot because it's not what they want to do but have a moral and professional obligation to do so. They have even admitted how things are different with car and chest cams and there is no way out of it. Back in the day things were different, I've been told some crazy stories by older retired officers on the stuff they would do and how other officers would get their backs. More technology and accountability has put an end to most of that and some of the newer generations don't understand that.

That being said I am a huge supporter of law enforcement and have met some really good people in different agencies. I've ran into a few "bad apples" but I would never judge an entire department based on one or two bad apples. I feel every department has them. I also understand that cops are human just like me and they could be having a bad day and that if I am ever in a situation it's just as important for me as it is to the officer to de-escalate the situation verbally if possible.

In other recorded footage from this incident, the main character in this home invasion lies to his gang banger buddies, and states that she tried to shut the door on him, and everybody was running away from him. None of this is true, based on the video which exists. The contributing charge, according to the main character, is based on the fact that a 44 year old woman has alcohol in her kitchen, according to the discussion between the gang members, and one of the teens. So these lies are the basis for his decision to assault and kidnap her. His gang banger buddies all go along with him, because OF COURSE a cop WOULD NEVER LIE. Wink Wink

Now that the video has come out, the excuse from the sheriff office is that there was no complaint for over a month. Perhaps, this woman thought the justice system was actually about justice, and once the video was seen by the sheriff and the prosecutors, this would go away. Because there is no chance anyone seeing this thinks she attacked him, or tried to shut the door on him.

But now it is obvious to her that the justice system is not about justice, it is about CYA for the boys in brown... They are going to continue to prosecute in order to spin the narrative that she deserved this, and he HAD to violate her 4th amendment rights because the 44 year old woman might have poured the alcohol down the toilet or something...

Every other deputy in that department now knows what happened. Until one of them arrests this clown for an armed home invasion, assault, kidnapping, and depravation of rights, as well as perjury, you are not going to convince me these are the good guys.. Just because they occasionally accidentally stop someone for DUI, or respond to a DUI accident where the person at fault in the collision is the drunk cop, does not absolve them from the duty to uphold the law and the constitution in their duties. This cop does not give one flying fuck about the constitution. He does not care about your rights. That makes him a common criminal. He needs to be arrested and jailed.

The good news is this woman is going to get rich. The bad news is whatever jusridiction she lives in is going to be poorer for it.

 

[Doc]

In other recorded footage from this incident, the main character in this home invasion lies to his gang banger buddies, and states that she tried to shut the door on him, and everybody was running away from him. None of this is true, based on the video which exists. The contributing charge, according to the main character, is based on the fact that a 44 year old woman has alcohol in her kitchen, according to the discussion between the gang members, and one of the teens. So these lies are the basis for his decision to assault and kidnap her. His gang banger buddies all go along with him, because OF COURSE a cop WOULD NEVER LIE. Wink Wink

Now that the video has come out, the excuse from the sheriff office is that there was no complaint for over a month. Perhaps, this woman thought the justice system was actually about justice, and once the video was seen by the sheriff and the prosecutors, this would go away. Because there is no chance anyone seeing this thinks she attacked him, or tried to shut the door on him.

But now it is obvious to her that the justice system is not about justice, it is about CYA for the boys in brown... They are going to continue to prosecute in order to spin the narrative that she deserved this, and he HAD to violate her 4th amendment rights because the 44 year old woman might have poured the alcohol down the toilet or something...

Every other deputy in that department now knows what happened. Until one of them arrests this clown for an armed home invasion, assault, kidnapping, and depravation of rights, as well as perjury, you are not going to convince me these are the good guys.. Just because they occasionally accidentally stop someone for DUI, or respond to a DUI accident where the person at fault in the collision is the drunk cop, does not absolve them from the duty to uphold the law and the constitution in their duties. This cop does not give one flying fuck about the constitution. He does not care about your rights. That makes him a common criminal. He needs to be arrested and jailed.

The good news is this woman is going to get rich. The bad news is whatever jusridiction she lives in is going to be poorer for it.

I didn't dig into this case past the video that was posted. I am not agreeing with this cop especially when he said "now that I am inside your house I own your house right now!" That does not sit well with me one bit honestly. That being said THIS situation I agree with you that this cop was completely out of line and should be held accountable.

Again though, just my opinion, if you have a department with hundreds of officers and you have one or even a few of these type of guys I wouldn't judge the whole department based on them but that's just me.

You have a flip side to this coin though also. You have DA'S like LA County's wonderful Gascon who will happily prosecute any officer at any chance he gets even if the officer was in the right. This handicaps the good ones who don't want to risk their jobs because they know a.) The DA'S office won't prosecute the criminal. B.) The DA is more likely to prosecute the officer and lock them up. This and lax laws like no cash bail and laws that allow theft up to 950.00 cripple departments and hurt businesses and raise crime levels like no tomorrow.

I'll finish with this, I haven't met one officer who has complained about wearing a chest camera. In fact every single one I know was happy about it and has saved officers from getting complaints in their jackets and has saved cities tons of money in false accusations. The fact that this officer in this video knows he's being recorded by multiple people and made the choices he made just make me shake my head and wonder what was he actually thinking.

 

[rcmike]

I didn't dig into this case past the video that was posted. I am not agreeing with this cop especially when he said "now that I am inside your house I own your house right now!" That does not sit well with me one bit honestly. That being said THIS situation I agree with you that this cop was completely out of line and should be held accountable.

Again though, just my opinion, if you have a department with hundreds of officers and you have one or even a few of these type of guys I wouldn't judge the whole department based on them but that's just me.

You have a flip side to this coin though also. You have DA'S like LA County's wonderful Gascon who will happily prosecute any officer at any chance he gets even if the officer was in the right. This handicaps the good ones who don't want to risk their jobs because they know a.) The DA'S office won't prosecute the criminal. B.) The DA is more likely to prosecute the officer and lock them up. This and lax laws like no cash bail and laws that allow theft up to 950.00 cripple departments and hurt businesses and raise crime levels like no tomorrow.

I'll finish with this, I haven't met one officer who has complained about wearing a chest camera. In fact every single one I know was happy about it and has saved officers from getting complaints in their jackets and has saved cities tons of money in false accusations. The fact that this officer in this video knows he's being recorded by multiple people and made the choices he made just make me shake my head and wonder what was he actually thinking.

I agree that the department should not be judged by this officer. I think they should be judged by how they react to this officer, especially now that they know, have the video, and with a tiny bit of research everybody knows how the 4th amendment affects this officers actions. If they had immediately put this guy behind a desk in the back room with no duties while they filled out the paperwork for his termination, and submitted a package to the prosecutor to deal with his actions, then what would someone like me have to complain about?

I want an aggressive prosecutor standing by to deal with the actual crime. This guy turned a knock and talk about noise into trying to destroy this woman's life through lies, manipulation, unreasonable force, and perjury.

And if you want to get a prosecutor like Gascon, then coddle officers like this clown. If you do not want Gascon, then make sure the rest of law enforcement is doing it's job well, and that we are not covering for officers/deputies who are ballsy enough to tell a citizen that I don't care about your rights knowing that there are 5 cameras, a ring camera, and a body worn camera pointed at him.

 

[Doc]

I agree that the department should not be judged by this officer. I think they should be judged by how they react to this officer, especially now that they know, have the video, and with a tiny bit of research everybody knows how the 4th amendment affects this officers actions. If they had immediately put this guy behind a desk in the back room with no duties while they filled out the paperwork for his termination, and submitted a package to the prosecutor to deal with his actions, then what would someone like me have to complain about?

I want an aggressive prosecutor standing by to deal with the actual crime. This guy turned a knock and talk about noise into trying to destroy this woman's life through lies, manipulation, unreasonable force, and perjury.

And if you want to get a prosecutor like Gascon, then coddle officers like this clown. If you do not want Gascon, then make sure the rest of law enforcement is doing it's job well, and that we are not covering for officers/deputies who are ballsy enough to tell a citizen that I don't care about your rights knowing that there are 5 cameras, a ring camera, and a body worn camera pointed at him.

Well it seems that we agree regarding this specific situation.

Maybe we aren't understanding each other with the example of Gascon. He is completely on the other side of the spectrum meaning he puts criminals before law enforcement and the victims. His policies and actions and how he runs his office is a direct result of higher crime numbers. Personally I want a balanced DA's office that will take the stance that they will back up their officers when they are right but also not help them in a case just like this. You make one or two examples out of a guy like this other officers like him won't be willing to do what he did. I also wouldn't judge the whole department on how they react to this guy I would just upper management only.

Again there is plenty of videos of officers arresting other officers for not only DUI's but catching them in corruption. I just happened to stumble on a video of a SGT at a minor collision scene and it just so happened his chief was at a bar drinking across the street. He walks up as the sgt and other deputies were conducting their investigation slurring his words giving them commands. Long story short the sgt asked him multiple times to let him finish his investigation, chief got in his face put a hand on him and the sgt grabbed him and pinned him on the hood of his patrol vehicle. Sgt was ordered to go back to the station in which he asked the chief if he was fired and he wouldn't tell him anything but go to the station which he did. The chief then approaches the other officers trying to justify his actions and basically tries to get them to agree with them. They put their heads down and didn't agree with them which was smart but stayed neutral because you know that chief was done for and they were protecting themselves. Body cams from all officers basically closed that case quick and didn't allow a he said she said situation. If that were 10 plus years ago that sgt would have had a desk job or no job and that chief would have continued to do stuff like that.

Anyhow, again I get what you are saying don't disagree with you just have a slightly difference of opinion on certain outlooks of it.

 

[rcmike]

Maybe we aren't understanding each other with the example of Gascon. He is completely on the other side of the spectrum meaning he puts criminals before law enforcement and the victims. His policies and actions and how he runs his office is a direct result of higher crime numbers. Personally I want a balanced DA's office that will take the stance that they will back up their officers when they are right but also not help them in a case just like this. You make one or two examples out of a guy like this other officers like him won't be willing to do what he did. I also wouldn't judge the whole department on how they react to this guy I would just upper management only.

I know, digging up a thread from the dead. But another one of these situations came to my attention, and I remembered I had wanted to respond to this and I never did.

My point with Gascon is not hyperbole.

30 years ago, the idea of someone like Gascon was silly. But back then, people still believed the police operated within the law, and that they were on the side of the people. The problems really kicked off when cell phone cameras became a thing. Suddenly, there was a record. We no longer had to go with he said she said. Suddenly there was a push for body cams, which they could mute at will. Once again, we got he said she said. But there was enough from the citizens side to show that the police truly believe they are immune to the law, and exempt from the constitution. And as a side note, in the early days of YouTube, videos of bad cops, or maybe good cops who did bad things, or whatever, became moneymakers for people on the platform. Views came flying in, and ads paid good money. So you really got a lot of them 20 years ago.

So at the end of the day, you suddenly had a lot of people, like myself, who used to think the cops were here to protect and serve, suddenly wake up and realize that the cops were here to raise revenue and collect big pensions and donate union funds to buy politicians who would help them make the money spin cycle bigger. And that the cops really do view the constitutional rights we fought for as something to wipe their asses with. If you doubt this, watch the cops reaction any time someone posts a SUCCESFUL constitutional rights attorney breaking down one of these incidents. They are simply not interested in knowing how the law and the constitution should affect their actions in one of these cases. They will say things like "I always win in court, why should I listen to some guy on the internet?"

Why would they say that? Well, if they were to acknowledge that they had reviewed the actual case law, and had an understanding of it, and the constitution, then they can no longer commit the typical cop crimes, and then claim they were acting in good faith when they opened a door and entered a house without a warrant. So they want to retain plausible deniability and that means they cannot publicly state they know any of this shit. Because if they know the law, then they have a duty to act within that law, or they lose qualified immunity.

So how does this lead to Gascon?

Well, eventually, enough people see this shit going on, plus the criminals, and you get enough votes that say "fucking cops are all crooks, and the DA helps them." Then, Gascon comes along and says "Hey, I used to be a cop, and I know how dirty they are, and I am going to clean them up, and that is gonna make you safer"

Everybody with a brain knows Gascon is a piece of shit. That doesn't matter. What matters is that for decades, you have had cops who wipe their ass with the rights and protections of the people, and that shit is out in the open now on camera, and the cops and the DAs are still protecting them. So Gascon has his talking points, and people like me have to choose do I support the cops because the idea of who they are supposed to be is a good thing, or do I criticize the cops because they truly do not give a fuck about the people and in some backhanded way end up giving Gascon talking points. And of course, every cop on this site is one of the good ones, and we all know that. None of them have ever written a traffic ticket, or violated someone's rights, unless that person really needed those rights violated. I get it. Everyone thinks they do it right, and it's only some other bad apples in some other department.

And the bottom line is they are the ones who wear guns and are permitted to use force and if you react in any way they will kidnap or kill you. So as a citizen, we have to simply allow them to stomp on us, because to react is to invite death or kidnapping. And we can seek justice in the courts, but that will take years, hundreds of thousands of dollars for attorneys fees and court costs, and the only people hurt will be the person they targeted, and the people of the jurisdiction where the incident took place.

So yeah, you get Gascon.

I would prefer that EVERYONE be held accountable for fucking up. If the citizen fucks up, put them in jail. When a cop decides to pull this shit, then the other cops and the DA need to put him in jail.

In this case, the woman will see justice probably around 2028, it will cost the county mid 6 figures for her legal fees, she will probably get around 50k. Unless she gets a good lawyer, then add a 0 to the end of each of those.. And in the mean time, the lying deputy who violated her rights will end up retired, collecting pension paid for by the taxpayers, and will not owe anything. Because he does not care to know how the law and the constitution should guide his actions, and as long as he is ignorant of the law, he is protected.

And I have seen the video of the shitfaced chief bitching about the bad uniform jacket on the sergeant, and others. While those are interesting, what really matters is how the police decide to treat the rights of the people. If the departments do not care to police this shit within themselves, then remind me again why I should support an organization that devotes itself to violating our rights?

 

[Doc]

I know, digging up a thread from the dead. But another one of these situations came to my attention, and I remembered I had wanted to respond to this and I never did.

My point with Gascon is not hyperbole.

30 years ago, the idea of someone like Gascon was silly. But back then, people still believed the police operated within the law, and that they were on the side of the people. The problems really kicked off when cell phone cameras became a thing. Suddenly, there was a record. We no longer had to go with he said she said. Suddenly there was a push for body cams, which they could mute at will. Once again, we got he said she said. But there was enough from the citizens side to show that the police truly believe they are immune to the law, and exempt from the constitution. And as a side note, in the early days of YouTube, videos of bad cops, or maybe good cops who did bad things, or whatever, became moneymakers for people on the platform. Views came flying in, and ads paid good money. So you really got a lot of them 20 years ago.

So at the end of the day, you suddenly had a lot of people, like myself, who used to think the cops were here to protect and serve, suddenly wake up and realize that the cops were here to raise revenue and collect big pensions and donate union funds to buy politicians who would help them make the money spin cycle bigger. And that the cops really do view the constitutional rights we fought for as something to wipe their asses with. If you doubt this, watch the cops reaction any time someone posts a SUCCESFUL constitutional rights attorney breaking down one of these incidents. They are simply not interested in knowing how the law and the constitution should affect their actions in one of these cases. They will say things like "I always win in court, why should I listen to some guy on the internet?"

Why would they say that? Well, if they were to acknowledge that they had reviewed the actual case law, and had an understanding of it, and the constitution, then they can no longer commit the typical cop crimes, and then claim they were acting in good faith when they opened a door and entered a house without a warrant. So they want to retain plausible deniability and that means they cannot publicly state they know any of this shit. Because if they know the law, then they have a duty to act within that law, or they lose qualified immunity.

So how does this lead to Gascon?

Well, eventually, enough people see this shit going on, plus the criminals, and you get enough votes that say "fucking cops are all crooks, and the DA helps them." Then, Gascon comes along and says "Hey, I used to be a cop, and I know how dirty they are, and I am going to clean them up, and that is gonna make you safer"

Everybody with a brain knows Gascon is a piece of shit. That doesn't matter. What matters is that for decades, you have had cops who wipe their ass with the rights and protections of the people, and that shit is out in the open now on camera, and the cops and the DAs are still protecting them. So Gascon has his talking points, and people like me have to choose do I support the cops because the idea of who they are supposed to be is a good thing, or do I criticize the cops because they truly do not give a fuck about the people and in some backhanded way end up giving Gascon talking points. And of course, every cop on this site is one of the good ones, and we all know that. None of them have ever written a traffic ticket, or violated someone's rights, unless that person really needed those rights violated. I get it. Everyone thinks they do it right, and it's only some other bad apples in some other department.

And the bottom line is they are the ones who wear guns and are permitted to use force and if you react in any way they will kidnap or kill you. So as a citizen, we have to simply allow them to stomp on us, because to react is to invite death or kidnapping. And we can seek justice in the courts, but that will take years, hundreds of thousands of dollars for attorneys fees and court costs, and the only people hurt will be the person they targeted, and the people of the jurisdiction where the incident took place.

So yeah, you get Gascon.

I would prefer that EVERYONE be held accountable for fucking up. If the citizen fucks up, put them in jail. When a cop decides to pull this shit, then the other cops and the DA need to put him in jail.

In this case, the woman will see justice probably around 2028, it will cost the county mid 6 figures for her legal fees, she will probably get around 50k. Unless she gets a good lawyer, then add a 0 to the end of each of those.. And in the mean time, the lying deputy who violated her rights will end up retired, collecting pension paid for by the taxpayers, and will not owe anything. Because he does not care to know how the law and the constitution should guide his actions, and as long as he is ignorant of the law, he is protected.

And I have seen the video of the shitfaced chief bitching about the bad uniform jacket on the sergeant, and others. While those are interesting, what really matters is how the police decide to treat the rights of the people. If the departments do not care to police this shit within themselves, then remind me again why I should support an organization that devotes itself to violating our rights?

Great post Mike!

Again not to drag it out the topic I'll finish with a few things.

I think if you go back 10-30 years ago I completely agree with you in regards to most officers violated citizens rights some way or another. I think especially in the low income high crime areas mainly but lets agree all across the nation. Then at some point the coin flipped, I'm guessing to many lawsuits lost on the law enforcement side and getting caught on cameras ect forced change. Look at the Rodney King situation, those guys beat that guy within inches of his life and I am willing to bet that wasn't the first time they did that let alone other departments and officers. Those days and those kind of officers are no longer around. Does that mean everything is great now and perfect no but it's miles and miles away from how things used to be.

I will also agree with it's a great idea that people should know their rights because most don't. I think also though it doesn't mean that someone has to go full bore become a sovereign citizen and be a complete ahole with every cop they interact with. Like you said also there are guys that do that for videos and clicks on purpose and I think that's just to much and doesn't help relations at all.

Now, our buddy Gascon. Let's take the cop situation out for a min and look at the rest. No cash bails, early releases of criminals, failure to prosecute real cases is a real issue. Now let's add in the fact that he does not support law enforcement you have criminals that have zero fear of prison that will get arrested and released and commit another crime sometimes in the same day if not the next. Now lets add the cop stuff back in, you have officers that will less likely respond to certain calls or won't bother doing paper work because the Da's office won't take the case or throw it away. I don't see that as a fix or balance to what once was, in fact it's completely on the other side of the spectrum like I said earlier and a huge problem.