Wide bid ranges - new roof

[2Driver]

Same everything, tile, layment how it goes down etc. all from business that have been around with good reps

First bid 33k
Second bid 46k

Same thing for my neighbors metal roof, bids from 70-125k

how can they be that far off or are some just tossing out high balls

 

[DLC]

They might have a ton of work and are just lobbing out numbers and if they get it great!

crazy times right now. To much work for the amount of SKILLED labor.

There are a lot of people that can do it wrong and cheap!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tossing out high numbers based on the location and their workload.

I'm judging them by their truck and attire as much as they are judging me by my house, location, wife's wedding ring and our attire.

When they roll up in a brand new F250 platinum... I know where the estimate will land.

For my fake grass install I got bids from $7K - 17K.

 

[RichL]

Quality of materials can make a big difference. Did you spec. every aspect of the materials and underlayment or leave it up to the contractors?

 

[2Driver]

Quality of materials can make a big difference. Did you spec. every aspect of the materials and underlayment or leave it up to the contractors?

yeah I picked the tile brand and model and layment and have it going down the same.

Both bids almost look like someone wrote them lol except the price

 

[Havaduner]

I would tell you to get referrals. Most roofers will have a list of past jobs. Not a referral list, but actual jobs. I got two bids, and got those lists from both contractors. They low bid guy who showed up to my house after working all day had better reviews than the guy that showed up in the new F250

 

[rmarion]

Get one more bid.
Different companies. Overhead costs, insurance costs, labor costs, etc? Mom/Pop vs. Corporation..

Many factors.

Materials, and spec = apples and apples.... Company's not so much

Get three referrals and call them

Good Luck

 

[Cole Trickle]

Tossing out high numbers based on the location and their workload.

I'm judging them by their truck and attire as much as they are judging me by my house, location, wife's wedding ring and our attire.

When they roll up in a brand new F250 platinum... I know where the estimate will land.

For my fake grass install I got bids from $7K - 17K.

I wanted to do a 10x20 slab and a 3" high garden wall courtyard a couple years back. First two guys that came to bid it were wearing Italian clothes and driving 70K plus cars or trucks.

I decided I didn't need a 20K remodel (probably 4K in material) all that bad...lol

 

[monkeyswrench]

My 2 cents, having been around it my whole life: The guy who shows up after 4 or 5 is not just a sales rep. He has skin in the game, and still tied into the labor end of it. I'd show up in a clean shirt, and usually jeans with my "newer" boots. Always in a clean truck, but never new. It was still a work truck.

The guys that show up and only do bids but not the work, are usually sales reps. They get a cut, and it's usually not bad. No matter how you look at it, it's overhead. Add in the percentage based commission, and they may pad their bid as well.

Also, remember, all roofers are drunks or crooks...
Pops told me that, and he was a roofer most his life...he knew a few

 

[2Driver]

It crossed my mind to get a bucket of henrys and wait for a recession

 

[DLC]

Is it a traditional A style roof? If not and you can’t see the roofing, you can get the white paint style roll on roofing membrane.

 

[2Driver]

It’s a concrete tile 3/12 pitch

 

[NicPaus]

I have a remodel I bid it for Shingle roof. Now they want tile. The difference is $16-19K more than composition. The owner thought labor would be the same. One Roofer wants a $1000 a sq for labor for tile. Waiting on bid from another.

 

[One2go]

It’s a concrete tile 3/12 pitch

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Where do you live, Are you replacing the existing tile, if you want you can PM me and ill give you some advice.Been c-39 (roofing contractor)since the early 80s.

 

[HPBoats83]

Why can’t you do a tile and reset where they replace your underpayment but use as many existing tiles as possible?


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[DILLIGAF]

Its location and they see money

 

[2Driver]

Why can’t you do a tile and reset where they replace your underpayment but use as many existing tiles as possible?


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I did that 25 years ago with the existing roof and it’s time to change the color and the tiles are no longer made. I knew this day was coming, last time I’ll have to do it.

I think part of it I have 7,500 sq ft of old tile going to the dump.

 

[NicPaus]

How many squares and what brand tile you chose?

 

[2Driver]

Its location and they see money

They are clearly mistaking me with people that live in TH.

 

[2Driver]

How many squares and what brand tile you chose?

7500 total square feet and I went with Eagle standard concrete tile.

https://eagleroofing.com/product/999/?region=southwest

 

[SJP]

It is brutal. You need to put together an RFQ anytime for even the most basic jobs. I have stopped having vendors come to my home unless I had time, material and estimated job cost. Add on garage in Havasu? Forget about it, not going to happen in this market.

 

[NicPaus]

Job I am on has 2600 total with gate house and garage. Eagle ultra light Malibu as it has to meet engineer calcs for weight. $33K for 7500 sq ft is AZ price they want more for 2600 sq ft by the beach in CA.

 

[DILLIGAF]

They are clearly mistaking me with people that live in TH.

lol.....

 

[rmarion]

2d

those numbers are in the ball park.

send me the quotes.... I'll qualify them for you.

PM if you want me to check them out.

Good luck

 

[monkeyswrench]

I have a remodel I bid it for Shingle roof. Now they want tile. The difference is $16-19K more than composition. The owner thought labor would be the same. One Roofer wants a $1000 a sq for labor for tile. Waiting on bid from another.

Sounds like how I'd bid a lightweight tile gig. Time consuming if it's "cut up" with dormers and multiple levels. Field is easy, detail and flashing get much more in depth than dimensional...those go much faster on all aspects.

There was a reason I really liked my flatwork/ commercial stuff. The profit per square was considerably less, but the squares per day more that made up for it. In my eyes, easier to deal with, but a whole different set of headaches.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Thought about this thread last night, and sales reps and hustles...Check the paperwork from your bids, and see how they worded anything about wood or rot repair. I've seen shops lowball an initial bid, only to jack up the price while the roof is open. Not cool, because you're stuck. I used to write up a certain number of feet for facia replacement as needed. I would poke at it and rafter tails, and show the property owner if any was bad. If there was wood to replace, it would be sealed in primer if exposed, but on them to paint. Too many shades of everything to match well. Keep that in mind too as an additional expense.

 

[Universal Elements]

Damn, unbelievable how much roofs have gone up. In 1999, I bought a house in Irvine. My next door neighbor had eucalyptus trees and the roof was wood shake. No insurance company would touch it. So I had to replace the roof. It was 3700 sq. Ft., I went with the eagle light. Replaced all the plywood, couple of pieces of wood, all new vents, flashing and engineering with permits cost me $12000. You probably couldn’t touch that roof For less than $50000 now.

 

[2Driver]

Damn, unbelievable how much roofs have gone up. In 1999, I bought a house in Irvine. My next door neighbor had eucalyptus trees and the roof was wood shake. No insurance company would touch it. So I had to replace the roof. It was 3700 sq. Ft., I went with the eagle light. Replaced all the plywood, couple of pieces of wood, all new vents, flashing and engineering with permits cost me $12000. You probably couldn’t touch that roof For less than $50000 now.

The cal mandate of light tiles makes it even more costly. I had them bid it with light weight eagle tile and it was another $8k on top of the bids I originally posted.

I was like, well how much more for a whole new house.

Lots of great feedback in the thread thanks RDP

 

[wallnutz]

I know a couple of local Phoenix roofers, not sure I could get you a deal but could get you some honesty.

 

[2Driver]

I know a couple of local Phoenix roofers, not sure I could get you a deal but could get you some honesty.

PM me the names, thanks!

 

[Demoman]

I would be happy to see that my roofing contractor is doing well enough in his business to afford new trucks. Remember that you want your roofer to still be around years down the road should you have any warranty issues.

 

[Groper]

The main reason the Bids are over the place with the similar or like material cost is because there is a Labor shortage and everyone is slammed, they're throwing large numbers out to see if one sticks. About five years ago on a custom tile 60% stacked spanish tile roof at $70k they were all within $3k not anymore and I don't see a recession/downturn anytime soon. So low bidder wins with good references and a good schedule.

 

[EmpirE231]

Roof is on my to-do list as well... but definitely waiting for the next down turn.