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Phoenix airport is getting really screwed up lately. Too many people moving to Phoenix, and the infrastructure can’t handle the last year.
You’re not kidding. It’s getting worse but still not too bad. I’d still say way easier than living full time in Havasu and flying in/out commercially.
Went from Ontario to Phoenix today. Ontario was pretty empty while Phoenix airport was pretty packed. Spent the day in Surprise and Glendale. The growth is insane.
On a good note the Westgate area isn’t too bad👍
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Wife and I are 44/43 and hope to retire in about 10-15 years and enjoy the fruits our success. Our home base is San Diego and we love our home. The business plus my parents local are really the only things keeping us here, most of our close friends don’t live in CA and we hate the politics. We have always said we would retire in Havasu full time but not sure about that anymore. Been coming here since I was a kid, it has definitely changed although we still love it and mainly come in the summer for boating but are starting to come in the winter months more. We have a 2/2 park model in the Islander we have owned for many years but we are thinking strongly of buying property in Eastern Idaho near Idaho Falls and building a nice home in 5 or so years. Then for 10-15 years spend ample time between the (3) locations mixing it up and then settle down in (1) of the locations. We love duning, trail riding, snowboarding, boating, fishing, the beach, etc and feel we can mix it up very nicely in these (3) areas with the different climates.
 

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I keep reading about medical care in havasu. I am here full time since retirement and don't see the problem with the medical care. There are good and bad doctors just like any other place in the country.
 

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^^^ It's the specialist and the capabilities of the medical facilities in Havasu compared to a large metro area. When I recently had my severe reaction to the COVID shot, I was being seen pretty quickly by numerous specialist and having test that I bet you could not get done in Havasu. As I get older (54 now) I realize having capable medical facilities nearby is important.
 

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check into the park care on the channel, good time of year provide rv space get to know the town, get out around march gets crazy.
 

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Spent a year there one month.


We spent three weeks there this summer. Wind every damn day. The bartender told me not to mess up my turn with the wife, as it's the kind of town where you might have to wait a while to get another turn with a lady.

Great little community, and a nice place to visit.
Ha Ha.... there's a lot to unpack with that statement.... I've got another friend in Billings who says Ennis is real tiny so I can imagine anyone 'fresh" in that bar as an unknown might get some grief. You know how it goes in those spots. My gal pal used to manage the boutique hotel there and wouldn't surprise me if you were at their bar. She says they get a lot of California/ Arizona folks through there. She was a surfer chick raised in Manhattan Beach who married a dude in UT and they settled in Ennis raising family... she seems to like the small townish thing.
 

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I love love love Havasu.. but if your criteria is airport and health care then this isn’t the spot.

I would look at Tennessee? Florida.. maybe Scottsdale?

Somewhere with an airport close by but you can dip out of the city into a more rural spot.
 

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Wife and I are not young anymore, regardless of what age my mind tries to convince me of. The process of aging has been an education and one important thing it's taught both my wife and I is --- Those amazing plans we laid out for our future "Golden Years", beginning over 25 years ago, although extremely well conceived, were accomplished with 25 year younger mentalities and bodies.

We have no regrets, we've utilized these acquisitions to their fullest and enjoyed every moment of ownership.
However, despite having the burning desire to see those plans through to fruition, the reality is, doing so would be a mistake.
Eventually you're forced to admit " Toto, we are no longer in Kansas" just as we are no longer in our late 40's and early 50's and needs and desires WILL change, like it or not.

So rather than discuss Montana Vs Lake Havasu City, because each has it's beauty and each has it's own beasts, which become a matter of preferences which will change as you age. It's inevitable that both physical and mental challenges will arise that for the most part are unpredictable, but eventual none the less.

My recommendation is this ---- DO NOT BECOME TRAPPED, by tossing all your eggs in one basket. Allow for these inevitable changes, allow for the future desire or necessity to change your plans.
My wife and I are faced with aging, like it or not, it's how life works, but at least we do so with the comfort of having choices. 👍

The last paragraph is very important. Your needs will change.

We couldn't decide on a perfect spot for all seasons. So we picked the 2 best we liked and go to those. TN in summer and FL in winter.

I would suggest something close to Vegas for the airport and medical in the winter. Maybe bullhead? 1-1/2 hour drive for medical appointment isn't bad. Just group them in the same day. Not sure if they have this service in bullhead or not. We do all of our medical in FL. We have separate Helicopter insurance while in TN as we are in a small town. They will fly us to Nashville if we need it. Nashville is 2 hrs from us. Cost is about $100 per year for each of us.

Then I would do Montana in the summer. Close to grandkids and lake nearby. Weather is good.

On a side note and may work for you as well. Our son is due to change duty stations. Not sure wear he is going yet, but if it is too far from TN we may sell the TN place. Just VRBO a place near them for the summer months. Just an idea.
 

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There is no doubt, we will leave a desert location in the summer for Montana/Idaho, as the summer is fantastic in the North with long days and lots of recreation. Just not sure if we will bounce around in the winter or have a base camp.

Maybe I tend to over-analyze things, but here is my current thinking about retirement homes and locations.

I watch my FIL at 71 bust his ass all summer on his Northern Idaho property. (5 acres) The grass has to be mowed twice a week because the days are long. He cuts like 10 cords of firewood for the winter, trees fall down over winter he needs to cut. Native grass grows all over the property and has to be cut in case of fire. House maintenance because of the snow etc etc etc. I have friends in Montana that do the same, some just let the property go to hell and enjoy summer. FIL lives 10 -20 minutes from three lakes, they use the boat maybe 6 times a year. He might go fishing twice.

A desert home with a rock yard and some palm trees seems pretty easy in comparison. Turn off the water and lock the door for Summer.

Currently, it seems like for like homes less property is a better value in the southwest than in the northwest. I've had property all my life, I don't feel the need to have acres of land and don't want the work associated with it. Perfect for me is the utilization of every possible foot of a small lot. Squeeze a shop onto a 1/2 acre low maintenance landscape and a swim spa. You could throw a stone and hit a nice $600K house in Havasu, or St George. You gotta dig to find the same thing in the Flathead Valley or CDA Idaho.

It seems a modest house in the southwest as a base camp and leave for 3-5 months during summer exploring the Rocky Mountains makes sense. A couple of challenges with this:

Where in the southwest?
Angie is not sold on this idea.
A Palapa in Baja might be where Jeff ends up after pissing off Angie.

I need to work 10-12 more years, but trying to get a plan in place thinking of where I need to be at 65 so I can be mortgage-free.
 

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We plan on retiring in our Havasu house kind of full time, lol. The weeks between Memorial Day thru Labor Day we’re probably going to RV Travel the USA and Canada for a few years during those weeks. When we’ve seen everything then we will probably get a cabin in the mountains to beat the heat. My other option was to buy 10 or 20 acres up north in Idaho and put a Morton Steel Building on it and live in there with the RV during summer. That’s many moons down the road so I’m not stressing about which way to go. I love boating in Havasu in the summer but I wouldn’t want to live in 115F temps 24/7 for 3 months straight. The other 9 months the weather is just amazing. Good Luck - IMO There is no perfect to live. Everything is a compromise. Just pick what suits you best !!
 
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That's the 5 best months here.
You need to test drive starting june 1st for 5 months lol

LOL, we know exactly what the summer months bring there, which is why we are not staying. I've been spending summer weekends in Havasu since 1975 and have no desire to be there all summer, every day. Nice to visit, but not going to live there in August. Nope, nope, nope.
 

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You’re not kidding. It’s getting worse but still not too bad. I’d still say way easier than living full time in Havasu and flying in/out commercially.
Went from Ontario to Phoenix today. Ontario was pretty empty while Phoenix airport was pretty packed. Spent the day in Surprise and Glendale. The growth is insane.
On a good note the Westgate area isn’t too bad👍
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I keep reading about medical care in havasu. I am here full time since retirement and don't see the problem with the medical care. There are good and bad doctors just like any other place in the country.
its the lack of specialist in the hospital. Great medical workers, just not enough of what you need in a 911 situation. They have 'general' surgeons doing 'specialized' procedures.
 

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i have really enjoyed living in havasu full time for the most part, it has its drawbacks at times but for me its been 95%positive and suits my wants and needs. the winter traffic from the birds is really no worse than the entitled summer fucktards of recent, but i am typically not in a hurry for anything and honestly dont give a shit anymore about alot of things. i deal with the month or 2 of extreme heat well, probably better than i would with 3-6 months of snow in montana. for me the pace of life in havasu is very kick back and relaxed. it could be just as stressful and hectic as living in socal if i make it that way, but like i said my give a fuck has left the building. My brother is looking into a move from socal, depending on where he and the family go i may look into something part time in the area.. depends on where and if i like it enough to do anything.

since you require proximity to decent health care, internet and an airport, somewhere near the vegas region makes sense over havasu, plus you have the added benefit of no state income tax in nevada.
You're SPOT ON, hit the nail on the head, about the summer fucktards that come to our town to "let their hair down" as they can't do it in their "Utopia" town in SoCal!!!!! If one wants to visit here, why not act like people that live here and fit in instead of having to impress and live like one does in SoCal!!!

The "let your hair down" quote was from a visitor this past summer.
 

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We can’t make up our minds where we want to end up when we retire but Havasu is in the running. Mid Week boating, travel to the Mid West for July and August sounds pretty good. This morning I saw this while reading the news…not sure if it is social enough for retirement but it does have our wheels spinning.

 

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We have had our Havasu house for more than 20 years. At one time we thought we would retire there fulltime, but it will always be a part time place for us. Like already mentioned, medical is a big reason. The healthcare here in SoCal makes Havasu look like a third world country. We like the activities in Havasu even though the crowds have grown over the years, but we will likely spend less time out there in the summer. Havasu was always our summer playground but now we like the offseason much better. Don't know if we will stay in SoCal or find another spot. The wife is younger and still has at least 8 years before retirement so we have a little while to figure things out.
Question for you, would you, if you're a bigtime medical specialist, come to a relatively small town with a hospital of 171 beds and get paid maybe a 1/3 of what you'd get paid in the rat race called SoCal??? I think not.
 

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Question for you, would you, if you're a bigtime medical specialist, come to a relatively small town with a hospital of 171 beds and get paid maybe a 1/3 of what you'd get paid in the rat race called SoCal??? I think not.

Yeah, I don't see Havasu attracting the best doctors and the facilities are also lacking. Hell, the specialty vet hospital I take my dogs to in San Diego probably has more advanced stuff than anyplace in Havasu.
 

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FWIW, Right now Northern Idaho is in the lead for me. CDA north to Sandpoint. Most likely Spirit Lake. Still keeping options open. I am pretty set on getting a certain level of value in housing and Northern Idaho is difficult in getting any bang for your buck. Someone mentioned keeping options open, I very much want to be in a position that allows options.

The last month prices have dropped in Northern Idaho. Not sure if its seasonality or the start of something bigger. I would not be sad if housing prices shit the bed.

We recently broke ground on a home build at The Idaho Club in Sandpoint and will call that home when we retire in a few years. This development has a Nicklaus signature course and large clubhouse/restaurant and bar as the hub of the development and they broke ground on a Yacht Club w/ private docks and launch ramp for the members on Lake Pend 5 minutes away. The golf club and Yacht Club are included in ownership in this development. This is a real up and coming development and we got in fairly early, it really reminded me of Martis Camp in Truckee if you are familiar with that development. There are still plenty of lots available for now but I believe this development is going to go thru the roof as word gets out just like Martis did as homes start to be built . 90 minutes to Spokane airport.
 

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I keep reading about medical care in havasu. I am here full time since retirement and don't see the problem with the medical care. There are good and bad doctors just like any other place in the country.
We don't see a problem with it either. Good friend had bypass surgery, another a stint put in. Wife has been in emergency a couple times and is fresh out of total hip replacement. They all have had the greatest of care. No problems in our minds so far. 🤷‍♂️
 

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We recently broke ground on a home build at The Idaho Club in Sandpoint and will call that home when we retire in a few years. This development has a Nicklaus signature course and large clubhouse/restaurant and bar as the hub of the development and they broke ground on a Yacht Club w/ private docks and launch ramp for the members on Lake Pend 5 minutes away. The golf club and Yacht Club are included in ownership in this development. This is a real up and coming development and we got in fairly early, it really reminded me of Martis Camp in Truckee if you are familiar with that development. There are still plenty of lots available for now but I believe this development is going to go thru the roof as word gets out just like Martis did as homes start to be built . 90 minutes to Spokane airport.
We drive by that place when we travel between Polson, MT, and Spirit Lake, ID. The lakes are pretty awesome in that area. I have seen 25-foot logs floating in the middle of the PendO. lake.
 

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Yeah, I don't see Havasu attracting the best doctors and the facilities are also lacking. Hell, the specialty vet hospital I take my dogs to in San Diego probably has more advanced stuff than anyplace in Havasu.
So, you have been unfortunate enough to have to use the facilities in Havasu??????????? OR are you going by what one hears about any non- megatropolis care facility???
 

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So, you have been unfortunate enough to have to use the facilities in Havasu??????????? OR are you going by what one hears about any non- megatropolis care facility???

I have been in HRMC twice over the years. The first time they diagnosed me with dehydration and gave me an IV. They were wrong and I followed up with my doctors in San Diego when I came home the following day. The second time was for an x-ray of my jaw which was routine. Like I stated earlier, I have had a house there for more than 20 years. I know a lot of fulltime residents and their stories of local medical care leave a lot to be desired. For routine medical care you are probably okay in Havasu. If you run into something where you need specialist and specialized care and equipment for test's, you are probably going to find Havasu lacking.
 

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Yeah, I don't see Havasu attracting the best doctors and the facilities are also lacking. Hell, the specialty vet hospital I take my dogs to in San Diego probably has more advanced stuff than anyplace in Havasu.
I don't know about the facilities, the hospital has a Da Vinci Robotic surgery system which is abut a cutting edge as you can get.
 

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The problem I’ve experienced at the hospital (and yes, I’ve personally used it several times over the years), is that much of the doctor and nursing staff are traveling doctors and nurses that sign on for a short time period, so you never know the quality of care you’ll receive. Also, forget about much specialized care as you’ll have to travel elsewhere for that.
 

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I have been in HRMC twice over the years. The first time they diagnosed me with dehydration and gave me an IV. They were wrong and I followed up with my doctors in San Diego when I came home the following day. The second time was for an x-ray of my jaw which was routine. Like I stated earlier, I have had a house there for more than 20 years. I know a lot of fulltime residents and their stories of local medical care leave a lot to be desired. For routine medical care you are probably okay in Havasu. If you run into something where you need specialist and specialized care and equipment for test's, you are probably going to find Havasu lacking.
Well I guess your stories and my stories are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Not a funny story but the truth. My wife developed breast cancer that was caught as early as possible. We were told we should go here or there but after a little bit of research it turned out that the hospital that we felt very comfortable with, 30 miles from our 2200 person small town was in the top 50 cancer centers in the nation. Shows you can't judge a book by it's cover. Oh and BTW, the hospital that caught the little devil was a 19 bed rural hospital.

Sure, there are lot's of great Dr.s in San Diego but we would rather take our chances not fighting 50 million other people to live where the "weathers great".

I really don't think you are going to find the care that you seem to be looking for outside the major cities ANYWHERE in the Country. We, as I'm sure you have, seen the chopper leave many, many times here, destined for the big city and I hope top notch care for those aboard or what they perceive as better care.
 

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I don't know about the facilities, the hospital has a Da Vinci Robotic surgery system which is abut a cutting edge as you can get.

Well I guess your stories and my stories are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Not a funny story but the truth. My wife developed breast cancer that was caught as early as possible. We were told we should go here or there but after a little bit of research it turned out that the hospital that we felt very comfortable with, 30 miles from our 2200 person small town was in the top 50 cancer centers in the nation. Shows you can't judge a book by it's cover. Oh and BTW, the hospital that caught the little devil was a 19 bed rural hospital.

Sure, there are lot's of great Dr.s in San Diego but we would rather take our chances not fighting 50 million other people to live where the "weathers great".

I really don't think you are going to find the care that you seem to be looking for outside the major cities ANYWHERE in the Country. We, as I'm sure you have, seen the chopper leave many, many times here, destined for the big city and I hope top notch care for those aboard or what they perceive as better care.

We are about a 1/2 mile North of HRMC (as the crow fly's). That helicopter seems to always be flying. I know most small towns will not have facilities like we have in San Diego. That is why our plans for fulltime residency in Havasu have changed. We have thought about Nevada, close enough to Vegas, for a primary residence. We have a friend that has a place in Havasu and Lake Las Vegas. Close to medical and also a tax free state, at least for now. We are not gong anywhere for at least 8 years though, and a lot can change...
 

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We recently broke ground on a home build at The Idaho Club in Sandpoint and will call that home when we retire in a few years. This development has a Nicklaus signature course and large clubhouse/restaurant and bar as the hub of the development and they broke ground on a Yacht Club w/ private docks and launch ramp for the members on Lake Pend 5 minutes away. The golf club and Yacht Club are included in ownership in this development. This is a real up and coming development and we got in fairly early, it really reminded me of Martis Camp in Truckee if you are familiar with that development. There are still plenty of lots available for now but I believe this development is going to go thru the roof as word gets out just like Martis did as homes start to be built . 90 minutes to Spokane airport.
I just showed The Idaho Club website to my wife. She is looking at flights to Spokane now.
 

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I just showed The Idaho Club website to my wife. She is looking at flights to Spokane now.

Call Jeff Gove at The Idaho Club and tell him I sent you. He is the club Pro and resident real estate person onsite. He is a great guy and showed us all the lots that were available, he spent 2 full days with us before we bought.

If you end up going our home is being built on lots F18 and F19 on Moose Mountain overlooking Lake Pend check it out.

You are welcome to contact me anytime to pick my brain. We honestly think this development is going to go off huge, only 300 lots and the amenities are first class. Nicklaus course, Lake Pend and Schweitzer Mountain Ski resort is only 30 minutes away and Schweitzer is a real up and coming ski destination.
 
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Call Jeff Gove at The Idaho Club and tell him I sent you. He is the club Pro and resident real estate person onsite. He is a great guy and showed us all the lots that were available, he spent 2 full days with us before we bought.

If you end up going our home is being built on lots F18 and F19 on Moose Mountain overlooking Lake Pend check it out.

You are welcome to contact me anytime to pick my brain. We honestly think this development is going to go off huge, only 300 lots and the amenities are first class. Nicklaus course, Lake Pend and Schweitzer Mountain Ski resort is only 30 minutes away and Schweitzer is a real up and coming ski destination.
I will contact Jeff and get up there this winter. It seems very golf-oriented. We don't golf though but like the look of the golf course.
 

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I don't know about the facilities, the hospital has a Da Vinci Robotic surgery system which is abut a cutting edge as you can get.
Yes and it's the latest version. They are also an accredited Cath Lab which I understand is a pretty big deal.
 

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Most of our Doctors in Parker and Havasu always send us to Kingman for scans or surgery. Kingman has great medical facilities. KRMC is affiliated with the Mayo clinic I believe.
 

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I will contact Jeff and get up there this winter. It seems very golf-oriented. We don't golf though but like the look of the golf course.
Oh I wouldnt be concerned about not playing golf.... to live near or on a golf course is magnificent... courses are just gorgeous to look at. Next best thing to living on water for me.
 

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You are confused with Bozeman..but Missoula is getting there unfortunately 😅
I travel there annually and just got back in August. I can tell you that each year it gets worse and this year really surprised me. The old downtown district's transformation is complete, I will avoid it from now on and spend my time at Murdoch's. You are absolutely correct about Bozeman, probably the fastest growing city in Montana.
 

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Wife and I are 44/43 and hope to retire in about 10-15 years and enjoy the fruits our success. Our home base is San Diego and we love our home. The business plus my parents local are really the only things keeping us here, most of our close friends don’t live in CA and we hate the politics. We have always said we would retire in Havasu full time but not sure about that anymore. Been coming here since I was a kid, it has definitely changed although we still love it and mainly come in the summer for boating but are starting to come in the winter months more. We have a 2/2 park model in the Islander we have owned for many years but we are thinking strongly of buying property in Eastern Idaho near Idaho Falls and building a nice home in 5 or so years. Then for 10-15 years spend ample time between the (3) locations mixing it up and then settle down in (1) of the locations. We love duning, trail riding, snowboarding, boating, fishing, the beach, etc and feel we can mix it up very nicely in these (3) areas with the different climates.
One nice thing about San Diego, or other big cities, is that we have top notch doctors & healthcare facilities here. Doctors want to be here. My in laws couldn't get properly treated for anything more complicated than the common cold where they were from in the middle of Colorado. Good healthcare can be the matter of life or death & also quality of life.

We always plan on keeping our home base in San Diego for that matter & possibly have a 2nd home if any of our kids move.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
 

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One nice thing about San Diego, or other big cities, is that we have top notch doctors & healthcare facilities here. Doctors want to be here. My in laws couldn't get properly treated for anything more complicated than the common cold where they were from in the middle of Colorado. Good healthcare can be the matter of life or death & also quality of life.

We always plan on keeping our home base in San Diego for that matter & possibly have a 2nd home if any of our kids move.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.

San Diego (Carlsbad) is where we live. i stated earlier we want a lake place in Havasu and are considering something outside SLC for winter sports. But SD has a huge draw for grandkids (lots to do within a 2 hour drive).

If my wife has her way, we will keep the house we have or downsize and move closer to the beach (currently 1 mile east). One big change is our taxable base and residency will change and our time in CA will be limited to 180 days or less.
 
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^^^ It's the specialist and the capabilities of the medical facilities in Havasu compared to a large metro area. When I recently had my severe reaction to the COVID shot, I was being seen pretty quickly by numerous specialist and having test that I bet you could not get done in Havasu. As I get older (54 now) I realize having capable medical facilities nearby is important.
Are you never gonna go camping, off roading, hiking in isolated areas in the US? You can't live your life worrying about dying, or what hospitals are near by.
Anything can happen anytime anywhere, YOLO!
 

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Are you never gonna go camping, off roading, hiking in isolated areas in the US? You can't live your life worrying about dying, or what hospitals are near by.
Anything can happen anytime anywhere, YOLO!

We are talking about a place that you will be living fulltime. Much different that what you are referencing in your post.
 
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