Why everyone should wear a helmit

[dezertrider]

10:17 AM PDT on Monday, March 22, 2010


A man died when his off-roading vehicle overturned in the desert northeast of North Shore, a California Highway Patrol officer said today.

The crash was reported at 3:30 p.m. Sunday northeast of Avenue 72 and Club View Drive, which is near the Salton Sea, said CHP Officer Ramon Perez.

The ATV's driver, who was only described as in his mid-to-late 20s, was not wearing a helmet when the vehicle overturned, Perez said.

The rider was picked up by ambulance before he was airlifted to Desert Regional Medical Center in Palm Springs, where he died, according to Perez.

His name was withheld pending notification of next of kin.

The cause of the accident was under investigation.

--City News Service

 

[RiverDave]

10:17 AM PDT on Monday, March 22, 2010


A man died when his off-roading vehicle overturned in the desert northeast of North Shore, a California Highway Patrol officer said today.

The crash was reported at 3:30 p.m. Sunday northeast of Avenue 72 and Club View Drive, which is near the Salton Sea, said CHP Officer Ramon Perez.

The ATV's driver, who was only described as in his mid-to-late 20s, was not wearing a helmet when the vehicle overturned, Perez said.

The rider was picked up by ambulance before he was airlifted to Desert Regional Medical Center in Palm Springs, where he died, according to Perez.

His name was withheld pending notification of next of kin.

The cause of the accident was under investigation.

--City News Service

Accidents happen.. I don't think that should "force" everyone to wear a helmet. It should ALWAYS be a choice.

RD

 

[Lavey5150]

Was this a Rhino (type) vehicle? rail?, moto?, quad?, 3 wheeler? and was he loaded..........

 

[River Lynchmob]

Accidents happen.. I don't think that should "force" everyone to wear a helmet. It should ALWAYS be a choice.

RD

I would say that's exactly what Brian is saying...hence the title being why everyone SHOULD wear a helmet...I too agree everyone should wear one.

 

[dezertrider]

Accidents happen.. I don't think that should "force" everyone to wear a helmet. It should ALWAYS be a choice.

RD

There you go making a statment and all, I said "Why everyone SHOULD wear a helmit" . If that were a dear freind of mine or family I would be sad and MAD as hell for being an idiot.

If it were my 20 YO kid I know he would have a head ache today and not be dead. We enjoy making fun of Darwin award winners.

 

[OGShocker]

One less in the herd.:bash:

 

[Faceaz]

Accidents happen. This kid died Saturday, it's being said of brain injuries while wearing a helmet. Really sad deal. Not saying helmets don't improve your safety, they obviously do - allot. But offroad activities are inherently dangerous & consequences result.

http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/M...0&tier=3&nid=131CFA8DC3C141078134D8035145771F

 

[cave]

I've witness fully geared people die after a accident and drunks with no protection live after a roll down a nasty hill climb. Was it fate? Who knows?

I Now choose to wear my skid lid when I ride.

The children in our riding group (under 18) have no choice in the mater. They either ware a helmet or they sit and watch.

Myself, Been riding dirtbikes and quads for many years. Most of that without a helmet. Had many a serious accidents. I may be a tad goofy at times but I'm still alive. Now I wear a helmet mostly so the kiddies in my group can't use me as an excuse not to ware theirs. Now If I go for a putt without the brain case I don't feel safe. Usually stop and strap it on.

 

[RiverDave]

There you go making a statment and all, I said "Why everyone SHOULD wear a helmit" . If that were a dear freind of mine or family I would be sad and MAD as hell for being an idiot.

If it were my 20 YO kid I know he would have a head ache today and not be dead. We enjoy making fun of Darwin award winners.

not wearing a helmet doesn't make someone a Darwin award winner.. It is always easy to argue the side of safety and difficult to argue the side of personal liberty.

I'll just put it another way.. In theory everyone should wear a dot approved helmet in the shower because a lot of people slip and are killed.. So if someone died does that make them a Darwin award winner?

The question isn't should he have been wearing his helmet? The question to me is should we judge him for him making a personal choice?

Or one better should people be using his death to further a political cause in one way ortl the other? Intentionally or not.

People live their lives however they see fit. If some guy decides not to wear one and died what he loved doing then more power to him. Neither you or I should be able to tell someone "You have to live your life the way we think you should"

so there I go making statements again.. Lol

RD

 

[TPC]

Pretty hard to take a fall and not hit your head.
A brains bucket is essential.

 

[Ivan Dan]

not wearing a helmet doesn't make someone a Darwin award winner.. It is always easy to argue the side of safety and difficult to argue the side of personal liberty.

I'll just put it another way.. In theory everyone should wear a dot approved helmet in the shower because a lot of people slip and are killed.. So if someone died does that make them a Darwin award winner?

The question isn't should he have been wearing his helmet? The question to me is should we judge him for him making a personal choice?

Or one better should people be using his death to further a political cause in one way ortl the other? Intentionally or not.

People live their lives however they see fit. If some guy decides not to wear one and died what he loved doing then more power to him. Neither you or I should be able to tell someone "You have to live your life the way we think you should"

so there I go making statements again.. Lol

RD

He's saying everyone should wear a helmet. Not that there should be a law forcing everyone to wear helmet. I think you are confusing his statement a little.

Personally, I agree with you RD, if you don't want to wear one you should have that right. With that said, I think that would be a VERY stupid decision and I think everyone should always wear a helmet when riding any kind of vehicle without a roll cage. For that matter, I think its even a wise idea to wear a helmet in most vehicles with roll cages as well.

 

[rrrr]

Adults can do what they wish, but it pisses me off when parents don't understand the dangers their kids face and let them go without.

My kid used to bitch when he was little because we made him wear a helmet when he skated and bicycled. His friends teased him but I said tuff sheeit.

Then he did a header over the handlebars on pavement and literally broke the helmet in half, and a few weeks later lost it on his skates going down a steep driveway and broke another one in half. He was 12 at the time, I think. There's no doubt he would have been seriously injured without the helmets.

YMMV...

 

[GRADS2009]

Anyone want to talk about lifejackets?

 

[RiverDave]

He's saying everyone should wear a helmet. Not that there should be a law forcing everyone to wear helmet. I think you are confusing his statement a little.

Personally, I agree with you RD, if you don't want to wear one you should have that right. With that said, I think that would be a VERY stupid decision and I think everyone should always wear a helmet when riding any kind of vehicle without a roll cage. For that matter, I think its even a wise idea to wear a helmet in most vehicles with roll cages as well.

By saying everyone "should" isn't that encouraging a train of thought that it shouldn't be a choice?

Maybe I read to much into it.. but that's the way I read it.

RD

 

[stevel]

Well this is the deal helmets and other saftey gear are a good idea. Kids should be forced by law to do it beacuse they are not mature enough to make that call. For the record i do not agree with helmet or seat belt laws. we do not need the saftey police in our lives. BUT if you chose not to wear saftey gear and get hurt PLEASE do not ask for one dollar of tax money to help you. If someone wants to make all the choises for themselves then br ready to pay up if it goes bad.

 

[dezertrider]

Anyone want to talk about lifejackets?

Sure,

Here is where I'm coming from. We are all going to do stupid things having fun!!! We may not call it stupid but we are enjoing ourselves.Just use what ever is available to try and stay safe. In Lynch's avatar at the bottom they are both wearing lifelines ( I think, I know its a life jacket) I'm pretty sure they were hauling ass!! I love the fact they are wearing a PFD.

Have fun , Stay safe!!!

 

[Ali Baba]

I just had a bad accident while riding in my Teryx. I learned my lesson and now I'm going to take extra safety precautions. I'm definitely going to be using my seat belts and wearing a helmet. I should have been but wasn't. I don't believe it's the responsibility of the law to tell me whether I should or not. But my common sense should. Here's a picture for you all to enjoy of my leg after surgery, two plates and twelve screws later. Take it from me, invest in safety. You won't regret it.

 

[RiverDave]

Brian, I'm sorry if I read your post the wrong way..

On the same token, I don't think what I was trying to say came out exactly right.

RD

 

[Tomale]

Pure and simple Let Those Who Ride Decide!!!!!! First Helmets then seatbealts. Whats next Condoms???? If you wanna wear a helmet good for you, but don't push your believes or opinions on other people.

 

[rivermobster]

Well this is the deal helmets and other saftey gear are a good idea. Kids should be forced by law to do it beacuse they are not mature enough to make that call. For the record i do not agree with helmet or seat belt laws. we do not need the saftey police in our lives. BUT if you chose not to wear saftey gear and get hurt PLEASE do not ask for one dollar of tax money to help you. If someone wants to make all the choises for themselves then br ready to pay up if it goes bad.

Thats the whole point right there. When people off-road (or whatever) and dont wear a helmet, end up a damm vegitable, guess who pays for that bill???

The law wasnt put in place to take away your liberties and such, it was put in place to save a few bucks. The bigger picture needs to be looked at here to get to the heart of the matter.

 

[Jet-Daytona]

Insurance Companies,are the reason for Seat Belts,Helmets,CDL`s on and on.They have our legislators attention with $`s and that is the way it is. The way it is enforced is with Federal Dollars to States and you conform or no $`s .I can not believe Arizona has no Helmet Law,I`m saying it is near as the funds will be cut.

 

[wishiknew]

any one that gets on an offroad vehicle of any type and does not put on a helmet is a fool IMO!!!! That means testing your dirt bike on your home street also !!!! ( learned that one the hard way when the throttle stuck wide open on a husky that I was TESTING!!!!)

 

[Wakker]

You don't need a helmet when your like a cat. I always land on my feet.

 

[RiverDave]

any one that gets on an offroad vehicle of any type and does not put on a helmet is a fool IMO!!!! That means testing your dirt bike on your home street also !!!! ( learned that one the hard way when the throttle stuck wide open on a husky that I was TESTING!!!!)

Well we're all open to our opinions.. I got an idea, why don't you go down to Fox's during one of their harley poker runs, and walk in there and tell them all what fools they are for not wearing helmets.

RD

 

[red ant]

It is great to have the freedom to make the choice of wearing or not wearing proper safety equipment. That being said, what about the rescue crews/paramedics who get called out to these accidents. I am sure they like seeing gray matter splattered all over the place. Someone's back ground up like hamburger, all because it was cool not to wear all the safety equipment available.

 

[Wakker]

It is great to have the freedom to make the choice of wearing or not wearing proper safety equipment. That being said, what about the rescue crews/paramedics who get called out to these accidents. I am sure they like seeing gray matter splattered all over the place. Someone's back ground up like hamburger, all because it was cool not to wear all the safety equipment available.

You pay taxes so that they get paid to clean your ass up...

 

[RiverDave]

It is great to have the freedom to make the choice of wearing or not wearing proper safety equipment. That being said, what about the rescue crews/paramedics who get called out to these accidents. I am sure they like seeing gray matter splattered all over the place. Someone's back ground up like hamburger, all because it was cool not to wear all the safety equipment available.

If they aren't happy with their career choices, there are a lot of other lines of work available..

Fact is red ant, that is THERE JOB.. to Clean up shit that joe smoe Dave doesn't want to clean up. My job is to cut metal that joe smoe paramedic doesn't want to cut.. And the plumbers job is to lasso turds and make em go down the toilet. I'm sure plumbers would love a law that says you can only use 2 pieces of toilet paper per flush so there's never a backed up toilet, and sit around and get paid.

We all picked our careers in life. Don't bitch about it or strip freedoms because you don't want to do the job. That's just insane to be honest.

RD

 

[TBI]

If they aren't happy with their career choices, there are a lot of other lines of work available..

Fact is red ant, that is THERE JOB.. to Clean up shit that joe smoe Dave doesn't want to clean up. My job is to cut metal that joe smoe paramedic doesn't want to cut.. And the plumbers job is to lasso turds and make em go down the toilet. I'm sure plumbers would love a law that says you can only use 2 pieces of toilet paper per flush so there's never a backed up toilet, and sit around and get paid.

We all picked our careers in life. Don't bitch about it or strip freedoms because you don't want to do the job. That's just insane to be honest.

RD

You're on a fuckin roll today RD :thumbsup

 

[Riverbound]

You're on a fuckin roll today RD :thumbsup

I think he is back to drinking during the week....to hell with the diet :drnkfr

 

[Outnumbered]

Always:thumbsup

 

[Outnumbered]

If they aren't happy with their career choices, there are a lot of other lines of work available..

Fact is red ant, that is THERE JOB.. to Clean up shit that joe smoe Dave doesn't want to clean up. My job is to cut metal that joe smoe paramedic doesn't want to cut.. And the plumbers job is to lasso turds and make em go down the toilet. I'm sure plumbers would love a law that says you can only use 2 pieces of toilet paper per flush so there's never a backed up toilet, and sit around and get paid.

We all picked our careers in life. Don't bitch about it or strip freedoms because you don't want to do the job. That's just insane to be honest.

RD

:champagne:

 

[SuperDave013]

it might be your choice to wear a helmet but it is also my choice if I want to render any first aid or CPR to you ........

 

[Tremor Therapy]

BUT if you chose not to wear saftey gear and get hurt PLEASE do not ask for one dollar of tax money to help you. If someone wants to make all the choises for themselves then be ready to pay up if it goes bad.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner, I could not agree more with the statement above!

Dave,
You and I have had discussions on this in the past, and I agree, when do we take responsibility for ourselves and our actions, and why does everyone think they can legislate my safety, or take away my freedom of choice?
With that being said, all I can say is that a Bell Moto 5 saved my life a long time ago, and under normal circumstances I would not have chosen to wear it. I was 18 (of legal age) but went riding with moms and pops, and pops said wear it or sit! I am here today because I wore it!
Now I have kids, and we still go riding, and everyone wears all of the gear; boots, gloves, pants, jerseys, helmets, chest and neck protectors, and goggles. My kids bitch about it every time they see some flatbiller wheelying by with nothing on but shorts, a wife beater, tennis shoes and sunglasses, but it is my way or sit the f*ck down and watch! We are going to do what is necessary to be as safe as possible...because god forbid you crash, and if you do, all this stuff gives you better odds of getting up to do it again!

 

[dribble]

By saying everyone "should" isn't that encouraging a train of thought that it shouldn't be a choice?

Maybe I read to much into it.. but that's the way I read it.

RD

You read too much into it. Saying everyone should exercise doesn't come close to saying it that it should be required by law.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

The biggest problem is that when folks don't wear helmets and get killed off road it makes all of us avid off roaders look like irresponsible people that can't make good decisions. Then the public gets involved, then the government gets involved then we have land closures, more rules etc... Sometimes we are our own worst enemies..

 

[Ultracrazy]

By saying everyone "should" isn't that encouraging a train of thought that it shouldn't be a choice?

Maybe I read to much into it.. but that's the way I read it.

RD

Look up "should" in the dictionary......that might help.

 

[TDiamond]

Little story to add here. 6 years old...number one rule was always wear your helmet. Well, my dad caught me one day riding my motorcycle without it. So he called my teacher and had her back him up on this...he sent me to school with my helmet on and I had to wear it all day long...damn that thing got heavy! Never rode without it again...to this day. Wear it in the buggy too.

 

[TPC]

Before the helmet law the LAPD motor cops would stop us kids exiting the High School Parking lot on our M/C's.
They flat told us if we don't wear helmets they'll find something else to write us for.
This was about 1965.

 

[Ultracrazy]

Before the helmet law the LAPD motor cops would stop us kids exiting the High School Parking lot on our M/C's.
They flat told us if we don't wear helmets they'll find something else to write us for.
This was about 1965.

Oh shit......this will send Dave over the edge. Good ole days for sure.

 

[dezertrider]

We were in Ocotillo Wells once and me and the whole family ( son was 10 and daughter was 7) were watching the fun and distruction at Shell Reef. Its pretty common to see big wrecks here. A old simple buggy pulls up with dad and his daughter in the car. Behind them was their son maybe 5-7yo on a 70 quad. He could barley touch the foot rests as he runs into the back of the car becasue he hasnt learned how to use the brakes yet. I notice the kid has a helmit and sneakers on. The helmit must have been his older sisters because it was pink and looked like a bobble head on this kid

This next part I will never forget. Dad pulls the car forward so the kid can pull up along side. Dad aggresivly gestures to the boy to climb Shell Reef and away he goes. My exact words to my kids and group with us was " you may as well just tell your kid to kill himself"......" fucking retards". The kid get half way up and makes it to one of the turning points. I was shocked. maybe this kid knows what he's doing........ Nope! Heads down Shell Reef and doesnt use the brakes. Hits a big bump about a 1/4 of the way down and flys the rest of the way down where the quad smashes him. I think half the crowd was running twords him including me before he hit the ground. By the time I got to him several people were making sure the knocked out little but did not move when he woke up. His forearm was sticking out his skin on his right arm. Hearing that kids wake up and scream just killed me.

If I knew which guy was the dad I would of punched him in the face.

I walked back to the car and told the kids " We get to see another helicopter lift" I told them what I saw and to this day they wear all the gear they have when ridding. I almost threw up from what I saw when I got back to my car.

I still wonder if that kid was ok because they took a long time before puting him in the helicopter. Thats normally because they need them stable before transporting.

Just a story I wanted to add to the conversation.

 

[SuperDave013]

reason number 504948797934

your wheel might pass you lol

 

[dezertrider]

Oh yeah, My avatar was one of many helicopter lifts we have helped with over the years.

A girl wearing full gear hit a small bump that dismounted her off the quad. She hurt her back and was in allot of pain. The ambulace and fire dept could not locate them because we were in a very remote part of Ocotillo. We guided them in and they helped her. We ended up taking the girls quad and dads quad back to there camp for them.

 

[red ant]

The biggest problem is that when folks don't wear helmets and get killed off road it makes all of us avid off roaders look like irresponsible people that can't make good decisions. Then the public gets involved, then the government gets involved then we have land closures, more rules etc... Sometimes we are our own worst enemies..

You could not have said it better!!! How much riding area has been pulled from legal OHV use ???? Does anybody like having BLM rangers breathing down your neck, while sitting in camp??

Dave do you think it feels like just a job, when rescue crews are cleaning up someone's child with body bags???

I grew up with drag boat racing in the 60's, before a lot of safety equipment. I saw some terrible things as a kid. I know racing and pleasure are 2 different things. But shit does happen when you least expect it. Most times not even your fault.

 

[RiverDave]

it might be your choice to wear a helmet but it is also my choice if I want to render any first aid or CPR to you ........

Yes it is..

The biggest problem is that when folks don't wear helmets and get killed off road it makes all of us avid off roaders look like irresponsible people that can't make good decisions. Then the public gets involved, then the government gets involved then we have land closures, more rules etc... Sometimes we are our own worst enemies..

No nonononono.. LOL You want to talk about Land Closures it's because some idiot says "We should save this lizard Or some idiot says We should protect these people from themselves and some government fuckwad says Well maybe we should shut down half of glamis so we can keep an eye on them... Or maybe we Should close the sandbar on holliday weekends.

Contrary to what your saying here it all starts with People should which basically means your imposing your lifestyle onto another group of people. Which leads to the erosion of civil rights, personal freedoms, and most importantly choices as a whole..

When you take away the ability to make that choice, then now you are protecting people from themselves, which as a whole dumbs down people as a whole.. Which leads to "Why didn't they protect me from myself, I think I'm gonna sue!"

Look up "should" in the dictionary......that might help.

I'm thinking maybe you should but in case you don't? Here it is..

–auxiliary verb
1.
pt. of shall.
2.
(used to express condition): Were he to arrive, I should be pleased.
3.
must; ought (used to indicate duty, propriety, or expediency): You should not do that.
4.
would (used to make a statement less direct or blunt): I should think you would apologize.

Oh shit......this will send Dave over the edge. Good ole days for sure.

If someone is doing something perfectly legal, and a cop imposes his personal beliefs onto someone else through abuse of the power given to him by the state.. Well they have a word for that, it's call TYRANNY.

Man you and I are really not gonna see eye to eye on any of this. A cop abuses the power of the badge given to him, and you call it the good ole days?

I would think you should know that a cops job is to protect and to serve. Not to be a judge or jury. Anything more then that they themselves are in violation of the law that they are sworn to protect?

And let me tell you right off, a cop with that attitude is far more dangerous then ANY criminal walking the streets. They themselves are personally undoing the very principals the fuckin country was founded on? Are you serious?

RD

 

[RiverDave]

People SHOULD Wear seat belts..

Boats SHOULD be quieter.. 86 DB SHOULD suffice.

People SHOULD raise their kids the way the government see's fit. (I.E. not spanking)

People SHOULD let the cops protect them instead of being able to own their own assault rifles.

this fuckin list goes on till the end of time, and the funny thing is none of it existed even 20 years ago..

Maybe people SHOULD just live their life the way they see fit, and not impose their beliefs onto other people.

The instant your SHOULD affects my life, then maybe you should shut the fuck up, or be prepared to meet some resistance.

That over the edge enough for ya?

RD

 

[Lavey5150]

I think this thread SHOULD be nominated for thread o' the week..

 

[TBI]

Little story to add here. 6 years old...number one rule was always wear your helmet. Well, my dad caught me one day riding my motorcycle without it. So he called my teacher and had her back him up on this...he sent me to school with my helmet on and I had to wear it all day long...damn that thing got heavy! Never rode without it again...to this day. Wear it in the buggy too.

I have a feeling that you're not the only one on this forum who has worn a helmet to school




just sayin

 

[oldschool]

Well, I CHOOSE to wear all my gear because I'm going to fall. Every now and again, I run out of talent and go ass over tea kettle. I've always figured it was better to dress for the crash, instead of the ride.
I don't need the government to protect me from myself. I want the government to protect me, my family and property from bad people, catastrophes and disasters.

 

[oldschool]

I have a feeling that you're not the only one on this forum who has worn a helmet to school




just sayin

Aren't they required on the short bus? They were on mine.

 

[Ultracrazy]

People SHOULD Wear seat belts..

Boats SHOULD be quieter.. 86 DB SHOULD suffice.

People SHOULD raise their kids the way the government see's fit. (I.E. not spanking)

People SHOULD let the cops protect them instead of being able to own their own assault rifles.

this fuckin list goes on till the end of time, and the funny thing is none of it existed even 20 years ago..

Maybe people SHOULD just live their life the way they see fit, and not impose their beliefs onto other people.

The instant your SHOULD affects my life, then maybe you should shut the fuck up, or be prepared to meet some resistance.

That over the edge enough for ya?

RD

That's my boy.......

You have your opinion. The thing is.....nobody else SHOULD have theirs according to "DAVE's" law. And God forbid them if they do. That's what frost my ass more than anything Dave. If I said what you just said to me.....I would be banned.