Who knows who owns this boat part 2

[PVHCA]

If what your saying is "gospel", lol I'm sorry I defended Ted back in your original thread. This is a fucked up situation and he should be held accountable for his actions.

On a side note, is shit going down today at his(Teds) lot? Because this morning at Starbucks there were at least 10 Fed. Agents, 2 Postal Agents and they were strapped and dressed with bullet proof vests. Someones day wasn't gonna end on a positive note.

 

[PVHCA]

Talk about timing, just got off the phone with my friend Tom, Ted is fucking him currently.

Tom had his Sea-Doo boat at Boaters Outlet on consignment for the past few months, decides this past weekend to take the boat to the river, calls Ted to let him know, Ted responds with, oh I sold the boat last week, Tom asks, where's my money? Tom hasn't heard from Ted in more than a week. I told Tom what's been going on here at RDP's, he's heading to see Ted now, not gonna end well for Ted if he ain't got's Tom's scratch.

 

[DaveC]

Good.

The reason I mentioned it is the question of jurisdiction here. The DA likes to know when crimes are being committed in their county and will follow up even if that means referral to the proper authority.

Plus they are attorneys so they know what's going on (rather than pretending like they know whats going on ). Its good place to start when a crime is committed.

But if the DMV has jurisidiction then thats a better place to start. :thumbsup

The DA will most likely refer the complaint to DMV investigations. DMV investigators are sworn peace officers with the powers of arrest. Submitting false or forged documents to DMV is a felony (VC 20) as is this kind of fraud. I have seen people go to prison over this type of thing several times including a local Nissan dealer who is still sitting in prison and a Chevrolet dealer.

 

[DaveC]

Uh oh.....

Is Tom one of those types of guys who will make him take a long walk off of a short pier?

Talk about timing, just got off the phone with my friend Tom, Ted is fucking him currently.

Tom had his Sea-Doo boat at Boaters Outlet on consignment for the past few months, decides this past weekend to take the boat to the river, calls Ted to let him know, Ted responds with, oh I sold the boat last week, Tom asks, where's my money? Tom hasn't heard from Ted in more than a week. I told Tom what's been going on here at RDP's, he's heading to see Ted now, not gonna end well for Ted if he ain't got's Tom's scratch.

 

[whiteworks]

Talk about timing, just got off the phone with my friend Tom, Ted is fucking him currently.

Tom had his Sea-Doo boat at Boaters Outlet on consignment for the past few months, decides this past weekend to take the boat to the river, calls Ted to let him know, Ted responds with, oh I sold the boat last week, Tom asks, where's my money? Tom hasn't heard from Ted in more than a week. I told Tom what's been going on here at RDP's, he's heading to see Ted now, not gonna end well for Ted if he ain't got's Tom's scratch.

Told you that guy was shady, looks like the house of cards is about to tumble.

 

[PVHCA]

Uh oh.....

Is Tom one of those types of guys who will make him take a long walk off of a short pier?

Lil "TK" is short and angry, makes Joe Pesci look like a school girl!!

 

[whiteworks]

Lil "TK" is short and angry, makes Joe Pesci look like a school girl!!

What times he going over there, I may go browse the inventory and watch the show:thumbsup

 

[Nord]

I would be turning the boat into my insurance as stolen.

 

[DaveC]

You gotta watch out for the short ones.

I would say get some pictures but we don't want any witnesses or evidence....... "Honestly officer, he bumped his head on the ground."

Lil "TK" is short and angry, makes Joe Pesci look like a school girl!!

Wouldn't that be bad karma coming back to bite him in the ass. The scammer ends up scamming the wrong person who finds out about it.

 

[28Eliminator]

Not that many years ago, it was still considered socially acceptable to pay this guy Ted a visit with a baseball bat :skull.

Unfortunately our pansy ass society has become so concerned over litigation, and afraid of confrontation, that people no longer pursue protecting their possesions like they used to... "Fock it, the insurance company will pay for it".... Taking the proper "Legal channels" has taken presidence over "Takin care of business"

I wonder how this guy would react to good old fashioned ass whoopin :thumbsup:box:

 

[LomitaBob]

I propose a RDP flash mob/lynch mob show up at this place, crip stomp said DOUCH and take anything that aint bolted down!!!!!!.

there should be enough cops from here to keep us outa trouble

 

[PVHCA]

He ain't there if ya'll know what I mean!!

 

[throttle]

 

[wishiknew]

He ain't there if ya'll know what I mean!!

Somebody is there if ya know what I mean !!!

 

[throttle]

Talk about timing, just got off the phone with my friend Tom, Ted is fucking him currently.

Tom had his Sea-Doo boat at Boaters Outlet on consignment for the past few months, decides this past weekend to take the boat to the river, calls Ted to let him know, Ted responds with, oh I sold the boat last week, Tom asks, where's my money? Tom hasn't heard from Ted in more than a week. I told Tom what's been going on here at RDP's, he's heading to see Ted now, not gonna end well for Ted if he ain't got's Tom's scratch.

how often did your buddy call ted to follow up? and how did the original post not raise a red flag to have your buddy keep a close eye on his sea-doo or better yet go and pick it up. Its prolly been sold a long time ago. bumdealeo!

send rollin247 a pm with tom's contact info, he has others and I am sure he would be happy to talk to him to back up his case.

 

[rollin247]

settled.

 

[Stainless]

Boat was registered in AZ (NON TITLE ISSUE STATE), sold to and re registered in CA (A TITLE STATE), now there is a title generated. CA Dmv asks for an explanation of where boat came from, and Boaters Outlet forges all documents. So the new lender was never waiting on a title since there never was one issued from the state of CA. New lender did know there was a lien on the hull, but wrote check out to Boaters Outlet to pay off my lender, which never happened. New lender was never waiting on a "Title" since they were the first one to issue one technically. It's confusing but i'm in the process of finding out all the information. This is the scam going on now with brokers, and that is why you will start noticing a lot of lenders not doing loans on boats that are registered in NON TITLE ISSUE STATES.

Does your brain hurt yet!

Your correct, I forgot about AZ being non-title state. I kind of see how Ted pulled this off now.


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[Wicky]

The DA will most likely refer the complaint to DMV investigations. DMV investigators are sworn peace officers with the powers of arrest. Submitting false or forged documents to DMV is a felony (VC 20) as is this kind of fraud. I have seen people go to prison over this type of thing several times including a local Nissan dealer who is still sitting in prison and a Chevrolet dealer.

Funny how car dealers tend to be on the shady side. Remember Will Nix Ford? Bang! LIFE in prison!

 

[Stainless]

Will add that trailer is titled though, how did Ted get around that?


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[Wicky]

Not that many years ago, it was still considered socially acceptable to pay this guy Ted a visit with a baseball bat :skull.

Unfortunately our pansy ass society has become so concerned over litigation, and afraid of confrontation, that people no longer pursue protecting their possesions like they used to... "Fock it, the insurance company will pay for it".... Taking the proper "Legal channels" has taken presidence over "Takin care of business"

I wonder how this guy would react to good old fashioned ass whoopin :thumbsup:box:

:thumbsup

 

[rollin247]

settled.

 

[Stainless]

Just found out Trailer is still in my name since he accidently put in a couple wrong numbers Just keeps getting better

That should help you. I hope good karma to you and bad to Ted. I would bet Ted figured this scheme out before you consigned with him.


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[Outnumbered]

Just found out Trailer is still in my name since he accidently put in a couple wrong numbers Just keeps getting better

I'd hook that fucker up while the guy is on the lake and take it home. Fuck that shit:thumbsdown

 

[wishiknew]

Funny how car dealers tend to be on the shady side. Remember Will Nix Ford? Bang! LIFE in prison!

Will Nix shot one of his ex salesmen because he took them to the labor board !!! A little over the top I would Say

 

[PVHCA]

how often did your buddy call ted to follow up? and how did the original post not raise a red flag to have your buddy keep a close eye on his sea-doo or better yet go and pick it up. Its prolly been sold a long time ago. bumdealeo!

send rollin247 a pm with tom's contact info, he has others and I am sure he would be happy to talk to him to back up his case.

I thought Tom had sold the boat, never knew Ted had it or I would have notified Tom.

Funny how car dealers tend to be on the shady side. Remember Will Nix Ford? Bang! LIFE in prison!

Poor Will, all he ever wanted to do was drive his Lambo, watch porn and snort cola!! Pelican Bay has a 1st class citizen housed there.

 

[PVHCA]

Will Nix shot one of his ex salesmen because he took them to the labor board !!! A little over the top I would Say

Had him shot, makes no difference though, he's scum!!

 

[whiteworks]

This whole deal has most likely been going on for years and by that I mean diversion of funds (robbing peter to pay paul) Ive seen contractors do the same thing a lot, they go buy something (boat/motorhome etc.) and everything is fine as long as they can keep selling jobs and float funds from one to the next, eventually it all catches up and the shit hits the fan. Now if homie somehow sells the next boat and is able to pay up on the last ones this whole scheme will continue.

I would think that as a licensed broker someone from the regulatory agency that issues that license once notified would be out there and crawl up his ass?

 

[whiteworks]

I liked Will, to bad he got greedy:thumbsdown

 

[Luvnlife]

If I can be of any help please ask. We sold our haulmark motorhome a few years ago to a guy in Texas. He used a dealer in Illinois who carried the same brand to broker the deal and handle financing for him. Me, the buyer, and the broker met in Pomona at the winter nationals where we signed the contract. I basically sold the motorhome to the dealer and she would sell it to him. I was upside down on the loan so I also provided a $45,000 cashiers check payable to the dealer and my lien holder. He traded in to the dealer a $50,000 motorhome that was his downpayment for mine.

Several months later my lender calls and says ur late on your payments.

The dealer never paid off my loan, cashed the two party check of mine for $45k, sold the guys motorhome to someone else, and financed the buyer of mine twice, keeping all of that money as well. I reported the deal to the Illinois DMV, a few days later, I was contacted by the FBI and department of justice, both of whom interviewed me. Turns out this dealer had been under investigation for 6 years for brokering numerous deals like mine.

My lender ultimately repod my motorhome from the guy who bought it in Texas. My credit went to shit, I owed $200,000 on the loan and lost my $45,000. The buyer lost his trade in, his credit went to shit because he had two loans on my motorhome of $125k each that the dealer set up, and my motorhome was repod after he spent $20,000 on upgrades back at the haulmark factory.

The FBI raided her dealership, and seized all of her assets, several homes and a national level drag racing team. The dealer then filed BK claiming almost $6 million in debt.

A happy ending though. The dealer, she, is serving 22 years in prison. My farmers policy on the motorhome paid off under a "theft by fraud clause" including the $20,000 in sales tax I paid when I bought the rig new. My lender was cool through the entire process and restored my credit within 48 hours after getting paid off by Farmers. I never knew the outcome for the guy in Texas who had bought the rig.

I know an attorney in CA that only works on dealer fraud cases. He could not directly help me since the dealer was in Illinois but he was a tremendous resource me. If you need his help let me know.

- Walt

Sounds like we did business with the same dealer, JG. Shot you a PM

 

[WildHorses24]

Sucks for the new owner, sounds like he might be SOL in the end.

Sounds like we did business with the same dealer, JG. Shot you a PM

Was this around 2007? There was some pretty interesting back stories to the dealers in IL around that time.

 

[Rvrluvr]

Had him shot, makes no difference though, he's scum!!

Phil......Just drove by on my way to park the truck (I'm at cable now) Man that place was buzzin with people. Boat's were being hooked up left n right

 

[Stainless]

Phil......Just drove by on my way to park the truck (I'm at cable now) Man that place was buzzin with people. Boat's were being hooked up left n right

Hopefully by the rightful owners


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[throttle]

I thought Tom had sold the boat, never knew Ted had it or I would have notified Tom.



Poor Will, all he ever wanted to do was drive his Lambo, watch porn and snort cola!! Pelican Bay has a 1st class citizen housed there.

Dammit! I am willing to put money on it, that ted didnt just sell that sea-doo last week if your buddy tom dropped if off months ago. just sayin.

 

[throttle]

Phil......Just drove by on my way to park the truck (I'm at cable now) Man that place was buzzin with people. Boat's were being hooked up left n right

:hmm

 

[Abc123]

This is a messed up deal to be sure and I feel for the guy getting ripped off. BUT..............I just can't get over the story as presented. There has to be "a little something" maybe left out of the story? How can you get titles and such without a signature from somebody? I'm thinking as presented, the cops could walk in and quickly cuff and stuff the person responsible for grand theft. :headscratch:

good luck with the outcome

You know, I want to say when I signed an agreement and dropped my boat off at Ted's, he had me sign over the pink slip to the trailer (boat was reg in AZ so no title) in the event he had a buyer and i couldn't make it down there or something. I figured the guy had been in business for a while and I knew a few people that bought from him before so I really thought nothing of it.

Boat was registered in AZ (NON TITLE ISSUE STATE), sold to and re registered in CA (A TITLE STATE), now there is a title generated. CA Dmv asks for an explanation of where boat came from, and Boaters Outlet forges all documents. So the new lender was never waiting on a title since there never was one issued from the state of CA. New lender did know there was a lien on the hull, but wrote check out to Boaters Outlet to pay off my lender, which never happened. New lender was never waiting on a "Title" since they were the first one to issue one technically. It's confusing but i'm in the process of finding out all the information. This is the scam going on now with brokers, and that is why you will start noticing a lot of lenders not doing loans on boats that are registered in NON TITLE ISSUE STATES.

Does your brain hurt yet!

Have you contacted BBB?

Man something about the city of Upland and fraud. They love that shit!!!



Hey I know exactly were Ted lives in Alta Loma. Maybe we can have PR cruise over at night on his Huffy and toilet paper his house!

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Shit, I bought my boat from Ted.. Handed him 47k cash.. That's pretty scary..


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[Outnumbered]

Shit, I bought my boat from Ted.. Handed him 47k cash.. That's pretty scary..


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You may want to research the UCC records, there may be a lien you have no idea about. Guy sounds like a complete scam artist.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Seems to be a pattern going on here. Actually surprised the owner hasnt been shot yet for focking with peoples boats/money.

 

[RiverDave]

Rollin247, I'm not in your position, but if I was this would be my plan..

Step 1. Beat the shit out of broker.. but from what I understand he is now in jail so that might be difficult.

Step 2. Find out next time boat is going to be in AZ, or on water etc.. Goto new owner, and reposes boat.. There are members on this forum that own repo companies, maybe one can assist you with this.

He owns that boat in CA, you own it in AZ. Simple as that (for now). Bring cops with you, registration etc.. Explain the situation, and tell the cops that is in fact YOUR BOAT.. So long as it's in AZ it is what it is. If it's in CA, it's in his name and you can't do much.

Step 3. Tell new owner to figure it out with his bank etc.. and resell boat privately.

I'm not a rich guy by any means, and I can tell you that right now, anybody that stood in my way of getting my shit back, would be getting there ass beat, arrested or sued new owner included.. Fuck all of them. Get your shit back, and let them figure it out. This is NOT YOUR PROBLEM.. Only problem you have is possession. Finding out where it is shouldn't be difficult... Give C-2 on here 500.00 or ?? bucks and he'll figure it out for ya..

 

[Rvrluvr]

Man something about the city of Upland and fraud. They love that shit!!!

thats why I love it here:champagne::champagne:

 

[Deleted Account]

Step 1. Beat the shit out of broker.. but from what I understand he is now in jail so that might be difficult.

I bet he bailed out a couple hours later...:skull

 

[Abc123]

thats why I love it here:champagne::champagne:

LOL
As soon as I get of work I'm going to EE. I'll cruise by to see how many boats are still there. lol

 

[throttle]

I bet he bailed out a couple hours later...:skull

dont think so, sounded like a road trip might have been on agenda. stealing boats might not be the only thing he was being sought after for.:hmm

 

[throttle]

hey rollin247, take a break from this and spend some time with the fam tonite.

 

[JBS]

dont think so, sounded like a road trip might have been on agenda. stealing boats might not be the only thing he was being sought after for.:hmm

I told Ted that spamming on PB would not be tolerated

 

[throttle]

Shit, I bought my boat from Ted.. Handed him 47k cash.. That's pretty scary..


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I think he changed the way he did business after you bought ('08/'09?) your boat, to my knowledge- he didnt always do business this way.

 

[Havaduner]

Phil......Just drove by on my way to park the truck (I'm at cable now) Man that place was buzzin with people. Boat's were being hooked up left n right

Drove by this afternoon, looks no different than this morning, nobody there, all the boats that were there this morning still there.

 

[Havaduner]

But this was on the door...

 

[throttle]

Drove by this afternoon, looks no different than this morning, nobody there, all the boats that were there this morning still there.

:headscratch:

 

[Abc123]

But this was on the door...

lol