Who’s built a barndo/steel building

[whiteworks]

I’ve been wanting to build a garage behind my house for a while now, the original plan was to do a two story build with guest quarters on top (ADU). That being said my design quickly got out of hand an I just cannot justify the cost to build it. No one is gonna live there, and it would just be used for guests now and then.

Lately I’ve been considering putting in a single story steel building, figure 6 car garage that is a little deeper than standard depth, using two bays to create a small studio type living environment.

My questions are on sealing it up from critters and bugs, noise from rain, roofing options, window and door framing, insulation and everything else LOL. I’m pretty familiar with conventional building techniques, wood framing etc… I don’t have real world experience with steel buildings.

Here was my original design, it came in around $700k when I priced out build, this included elevator, and pool with swim up bar. It’s a rad design, but that’s a big chunk of dough and I don’t see the exit strategy penciling out well as it’s more of a lifestyle purchase that I really don’t need.

I’m thinking a 30’x60’ single story steal building with two 10’ doors and 20’x30’ living quarters, finished out for $150-$200k I’d prefer conventional build stick framing but I think a steel shell will be a lot quicker and cheaper.

Thoughts on anything are appreciated.

 

[NicPaus]

First step check to see if your city will allow a steel building. A lot of them won't.

Friend is in the process of 1 now. 15k sq ft. 5k liveable 10k shop. Build costs are a fraction of stick built.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Sealing/critter proofing is pretty much the same as any build, just different methods. You'll find yourself getting more familiar with different types of sealing compounds, but in general just different types of caulk.

From experience up here, the best way to make the structure quiet in the rain and hail, is closed cell sprayed insulation. It acts like sound deadening in a car. The metal has much less mass than a standard roof or wall. Standard batting will help with climate control, but does little other then muffle resonation. I have batting in my 40x50 building, and SPF in another, smaller building. Between the SPF and the drywall, in hail or monsoons, sounds the same as a stick built.

 

[Deangang]

Depending where you live most of California won’t let you build over 900 square ft. of garage space .

 

[whiteworks]

I live in an unincorporated area of the county, a few of my neighbors have larger steel buildings.

 

[rivermobster]

@The Chicken

 

[monkeyswrench]

They aren't hard to build, like big Erector sets. I did mine myself, 40x50, 17ft side walls. It took me about a month or so, but I was alone and doing it between weather and such. A good crew could have done it in a couple days. They haul ass.

Something I thought about after my first post, was how to "dress" it like a stick built. On a few in LA county, 20ish years ago, we sheeted the roofs. One ended up with light weight tile, the others dimensional shingles. I've also seen quite a few up here that they sheeted the side walls, or partially did, to put stone veneer on. Looks really nice, but beyond my means.

 

[whiteworks]

Anyone have any SoCal manufacturers they have used and would recommend?

 

[Singleton]

We have one on the family ranch in south east New Mexico.
First thing my FIL built, before the house.

Only upgrade he did.
- Insulation
- heated floors
- full bathroom
- 3 - 16’ tall garage doors in the front
- 1 - 20x16 garage door on the side

It is 40 x 60 with 20’ walls, with a loft over the back 15 feet

 

[adam909]

I have built a few metal buildings and to answer your questions its limitless. You can get insulated wall panels. insulated roofs. Doors and windows to what ever spec you want. You can get a metal building to look like its not a metal building. It all comes down to costs. Sealing from critters and weather is no big deal. I would have a raised foundation or a curb so your wall panels over lap top of concrete.

 

[rivermobster]

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They aren't hard to build, like big Erector sets. I did mine myself, 40x50, 17ft side walls. It took me about a month or so, but I was alone and doing it between weather and such. A good crew could have done it in a couple days. They haul ass.

Something I thought about after my first post, was how to "dress" it like a stick built. On a few in LA county, 20ish years ago, we sheeted the roofs. One ended up with light weight tile, the others dimensional shingles. I've also seen quite a few up here that they sheeted the side walls, or partially did, to put stone veneer on. Looks really nice, but beyond my means.

I totally forgot about your deal! You did a whole build thread on it, if memory serves?

 

[Tamalewagon]

Pam might have some suggestions for the build Dylan.

 

[Orange Juice]

I live in the city of Phoenix and was permitted to put up a building in my backyard.

I suggest you not warn the neighbors until they come over and ask what your doing, then keep it simple…..”their pouring a concrete slab. I’m tired of pulling weeds”.

“I thought you were building a slab, what’s this building going up”.

Then they look to see if you pulled a permit, and are shocked they didn’t have any imput in how you spend your money.

I recommend a 25x35, with a minimum 9’ high door, so you can park a SxS on the trailer inside the garage, without unloading. Might check your enclosed trailer height, and monster truck.

 

[brgrcru]

United car ports did mine riverside area
I live in lake view terrace . North San Fernando valley
30/30 ‘ boat bronco barn
Did all the upgrades
Two tone , colored screws, thicker panels
Weather striping and sealer.
They had it up in two short 6 hour days
I’m in about 23 k for building
All in with slab electrical , floor , lighting 45k

 

[whiteworks]

United car ports did mine riverside area
I live in lake view terrace . North San Fernando valley
30/30 ‘ boat bronco barn
Did all the upgrades
Two tone , colored screws, thicker panels
Weather striping and sealer.
They had it up in two short 6 hour days
I’m in about 23 k for building
All in with slab electrical , floor , lighting 45k View attachment 1464797 View attachment 1464795

How was your inspection process? Footings, electrical, and final? From what I’ve seen you can pay extra for the engineering specs from manufacturer?

 

[brgrcru]

How was your inspection process? Footings, electrical, and final? From what I’ve seen you can pay extra for the engineering specs from manufacturer?

We had a big tack room, before the garage
Ours is not red beam . Need engineer plans it was our original idea .
Now it’s like a carport . With sides and garage doors .
Lets just sayi, I talked to my neighbors
Getting me here .
Who have barns garages and big sheds
We live in la county rural area

I tried the right way for a few years . With no progress. They took my money and I was going to have to walk on coals.

time passed and somehow the garage appeared . Everything was up to spec. And code.
Took pictures and documented everything .
Been a few years

Slab foundation and all my cement work was done by a contractor . deliver sand for.
Wife and I did all the electrical. Had electrical buddy help with panels .
Can’t see garage unless you’re flying overhead .
Good luck

 

[evantwheeler]

Anyone have any SoCal manufacturers they have used and would recommend?

A co-worker's father in law has put up two pretty large steel buildings on his property here in Menifee (large for a residential property). They were done by a local guy named Tom Harlan of Thomas Steel Services / Thomas Steel Buildings. Very nice buildings.

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[mesquito_creek]

How was your inspection process? Footings, electrical, and final? From what I’ve seen you can pay extra for the engineering specs from manufacturer?

Mine included engineered foundation plans from the manufacturer and the engineering was super cheap, like 250 bucks extra. I permitted as a utility building and there is no requirement for electrical in a utility building in my county, so I didn’t include it. Only a footing/steel inspection and a final inspection. I started the electrical the day after it passed final.

34x50 with a 16 foot tall top plate.

 

[Smupser]

United car ports did mine riverside area
I live in lake view terrace . North San Fernando valley
30/30 ‘ boat bronco barn
Did all the upgrades
Two tone , colored screws, thicker panels
Weather striping and sealer.
They had it up in two short 6 hour days
I’m in about 23 k for building
All in with slab electrical , floor , lighting 45k View attachment 1464797 View attachment 1464795

@brgrcru yours is an “enclosed carport” style vs a heavy beam, clear span building correct? Pros and cons to both

 

[Smupser]

Anyone have any SoCal manufacturers they have used and would recommend?

Down here in SD, Empire steel buildings seems to be the one lots of people prefer for red beam types, plus they are local

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Factory direct wholesaler of the highest quality metal buildings in San Diego including crane, aviation, lean-to and more. Give us a call at 1 (800) 905-3443.

www.empirebuilt.com

 

[HotRod82]

Down here in SD, Empire steel buildings seems to be the one lots of people prefer, plus they are local

Metal Buildings San Diego,Ca | Steel Buildings California | Empire Built

Factory direct wholesaler of the highest quality metal buildings in San Diego including crane, aviation, lean-to and more. Give us a call at 1 (800) 905-3443.

www.empirebuilt.com

FWIW- I used Empire here in SD 3 years ago to build a 2000 SF metal building. The process is simple with them, they had no problem accommodating my own custom floorplan. Highly recommend them!

 

[brgrcru]

@brgrcru yours is an “enclosed carport” style vs a heavy beam, clear span building correct? Pros and cons to both

Yes , enclosed carport

 

[monkeyswrench]

I totally forgot about your deal! You did a whole build thread on it, if memory serves?

Had to look...damn it's been a bit. Still isn't "finished" the way I wanted to though. Life had other plans

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[Orange Juice]

How was your inspection process? Footings, electrical, and final? From what I’ve seen you can pay extra for the engineering specs from manufacturer?

They usually work with one or two structural engineers that will sign off on the structural side.

Usually cheaper that way.

I paid $500 in Phoenix for the structural stamp in 2004.

 

[whiteworks]

Digging around online and found some conceptual pics I like the athletics of. While I live in an unincorporated area it’s not exactly out in the country and the area calls for a little touch of boushie. There are elements in these photos that I like, the common theme seems to be a single pitch roof so far.

General idea is. 30’ deep with two 10’ tall glass double doors, and 70’ wide. 50x30 would be garage bays, and 20x30 would be finished out interior space to do “stuff” in. Maube game room/office/design studio/clean work space.

I like the single pitch roof and it seems like there are some roofing options that can be seamless and rolled out on site? As well I want to do some sort of overlapped seam that covers the fastener penetrations vs. exposed fasteners with the rubber washer. That seems like a smart money upgrade?

Low side top plate would be 10’ and high side too plate over glass roll up doors would be 12-14’.