Where did the water go? 'Environmental lawsuits have had a very chilling effect' on CA water resiliency efforts

[1manshow]

Where did the water go? 'Environmental lawsuits have had a very chilling effect' on CA water resiliency efforts​

The CA Water For Food and People Movement | “With a boost from the wettest January on record, California’s megadrought is over | Facebook

“With a boost from the wettest January on record, California’s megadrought is over. But with torrents running out to sea, relief may be as short-lived as the next dry spell. Intensifying the problem...

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[1manshow]

 

[rivermobster]

We should probably tear down some more dams. That should fix the problem.

 

[JL95]

Prado dam is as full as I have ever seen it. What that means in reality is buckfart but cool to see.

 

[rivermobster]

Prado dam is as full as I have ever seen it. What that means in reality is buckfart but cool to see.

Need to run up and see what Azusa Canyon looks like.

I noticed a couple of days ago a LOT of water being released!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Need to run up and see what Azusa Canyon looks like.

I noticed a couple of days ago a LOT of water being released!

Last year the river below was flowing like crazy. I had never seen all the gates open on the Santa Fe dam before last year. Wonder if they are that open again.

 

[Ultra...Good]

Last year the river below was flowing like crazy. I had never seen all the gates open on the Santa Fe dam before last year. Wonder if they are that open again.

water shortage has to start somewhere

 

[Flying_Lavey]

water shortage has to start somewhere

The really shitty thing is none of that is designed for storage. Just flood control. One would think since its just going to end up in a concrete lined "river" why not save it, store it and use it. No no!!

 

[Ultra...Good]

The really shitty thing is none of that is designed for storage. Just flood control. One would think since its just going to end up in a concrete lined "river" why not save it, store it and use it. No no!!

hush you. if you could just take your knowledge and go be smart somewhere else, that would be great

 

[Backlash]

Need to run up and see what Azusa Canyon looks like.

I noticed a couple of days ago a LOT of water being released!

I was zipping along the freeway this weekend and saw water above Irwindale for the first time in years!!

 

[rivermobster]

I was zipping along the freeway this weekend and saw water above Irwindale for the first time in years!!

The really shitty thing is none of that is designed for storage. Just flood control. One would think since its just going to end up in a concrete lined "river" why not save it, store it and use it. No no!!

Ya know all those "seasonal ponds" at the 605 and 210?

Those are actually percolating ponds to refill all the underground aquifers Under Irwindale.

There is all kinna crazy shit that goes on underneath Irwindale. Including one huge Superfund clean up operation!

Lots of trippy shit goes on over there if you dig into it...

Contaminated ground water in San Gabriel Valley gets $250 million boost, extending cleanup until 2027

Five companies responsible for polluting the groundwater in the San Gabriel Valley have agreed to continue cleanup for another 10 years, sparing 400,000 residents higher water bills, a state agency…

www.sgvtribune.com

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Well AeroJet in Azusa was probably one of those culprits. My grandfather worked there.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Oh

Ya know all those "seasonal ponds" at the 605 and 210?

Those are actually percolating ponds to refill all the underground aquifers Under Irwindale.

There is all kinna crazy shit that goes on underneath Irwindale. Including one huge Superfund clean up operation!

Lots of trippy shit goes on over there if you dig into it...

Contaminated ground water in San Gabriel Valley gets $250 million boost, extending cleanup until 2027

Five companies responsible for polluting the groundwater in the San Gabriel Valley have agreed to continue cleanup for another 10 years, sparing 400,000 residents higher water bills, a state agency…

www.sgvtribune.com

I know. I literally worked in the shadow of the Santa Fe dam for years, my dad did so for decades. The amount of water that actually gets down into the aquifer is miniscule compared to what flows out of the canyon.

 

[hallett21]

@was thatguy

Is it a huge financial and engineering feat to set up “injection pumps” near lakes to pump water into the aquifers?

The reason I say near lakes is so that instead of preemptively releasing water out of the dam you could just force fill an aquifer.

Fill the reserve tanks before you dump the excess kind of idea.

 

[84miller]

With all of the rain think of the water you don't see. Underground water tables have risen. Places such as Borrego Springs had pretty much run out of water, their source is underground, they have relief now. Palm Springs has one of the largest underground water resources known. But I do agree more dam/water management would be beneficial.

 

[traquer]

Ya know all those "seasonal ponds" at the 605 and 210?

Those are actually percolating ponds to refill all the underground aquifers Under Irwindale.

There is all kinna crazy shit that goes on underneath Irwindale. Including one huge Superfund clean up operation!

Lots of trippy shit goes on over there if you dig into it...

Contaminated ground water in San Gabriel Valley gets $250 million boost, extending cleanup until 2027

Five companies responsible for polluting the groundwater in the San Gabriel Valley have agreed to continue cleanup for another 10 years, sparing 400,000 residents higher water bills, a state agency…

www.sgvtribune.com

Yeah my dad used to work at the Irwindale Brewery. People open a Coors Light and think they're drinking rocky mountain glacier water, instead it's Irwindale sewer water lol.

With good filtration it doesn't matter, but still they're using a LOT of water in a place that doesn't have much..

 

[rivermobster]

If you don't know who the Resnick's are, you should look em up. They basically own the biggest underground aquifer in the state.

More water than CA could EVER use!

It's an amazing story. There are a number of documentaries on them.

Amid Drought, Billionaires Control A Critical California Water Bank

Stewart and Lynda Resnick have built an $8 billion farming fortune. But it never would have happened if they hadn’t privatized majority ownership of California’s Kern Water Bank.

www.forbes.com

 

[Reddy Too]

Oh

I know. I literally worked in the shadow of the Santa Fe dam for years, my dad did so for decades. The amount of water that actually gets down into the aquifer is miniscule compared to what flows out of the canyon.

This article might clearup some misinformation

A system of dams, percolating ponds, rubber barriers saved 95% of torrential rain

LA County Public Works say dams and rivers capture most stormwater, and they are ready for the next storm this weekend.

www.sgvtribune.com

 

[Flying_Lavey]

This article might clearup some misinformation

A system of dams, percolating ponds, rubber barriers saved 95% of torrential rain

LA County Public Works say dams and rivers capture most stormwater, and they are ready for the next storm this weekend.

www.sgvtribune.com

That's a really mis-leading article. Just because all that water was "captured" during the storms, doesn't mean all that water us being stored for future use. The permutation method loses a lot of water via evaporation and absorption into the soil (instead of percolating down to the aquifer). Also, not all that captured water is sent to the spreading ponds or other reclamation systems. Some of it is released to the ocean.

 

[Crazyhippy]

@was thatguy

Is it a huge financial and engineering feat to set up “injection pumps” near lakes to pump water into the aquifers?

The reason I say near lakes is so that instead of preemptively releasing water out of the dam you could just force fill an aquifer.

Fill the reserve tanks before you dump the excess kind of idea.

For a lake to remain a lake, it needs a fairly impermeable bottom.

For an aquifer to fill, you need a permeable bottom...

 

[hallett21]

For a lake to remain a lake, it needs a fairly impermeable bottom.

For an aquifer to fill, you need a permeable bottom...

I guess when I meant “next too” I meant within a few miles and relatively “short” pipeline.

 

[Mandelon]

I would think the storm channels should be set up with a check dam every hundred yards or so to slow down the flow and allow more time for the water to percolate down into the ground.

 

[River Dirt 2]

Well AeroJet in Azusa was probably one of those culprits. My grandfather worked there.

Aerojet buildings are now One Legacy (think transplant’s). https://www.onelegacy.org/wp/

My father in law worked at Aerojet as well.

 

[Reddy Too]

That's a really mis-leading article. Just because all that water was "captured" during the storms, doesn't mean all that water us being stored for future use. The permutation method loses a lot of water via evaporation and absorption into the soil (instead of percolating down to the aquifer). Also, not all that captured water is sent to the spreading ponds or other reclamation systems. Some of it is released to the ocean.

The San Gabriel Basin in an a adjudicated groundwater basin which is managed by a Watermaster. Accodingly, the basin's spreading grounds and the unlined portions of the San Gabriel River captured and replenished 286,000 acre-feet (93,193,386,000 gallons) of stormwater into the basin in the 2022/23 water year. In addition, infiltration of water into the vadose zone eventually reaches the aquifer minus any utilized by plants.

https://www.watermaster.org/_files/ugd/af1ff8_e08e4f920e8d4ef68eb7b390b39fdbf6.pdf

 

[Flying_Lavey]

The San Gabriel Basin in an a adjudicated groundwater basin which is managed by a Watermaster. Accodingly, the basin's spreading grounds and the unlined portions of the San Gabriel River captured and replenished 286,000 acre-feet (93,193,386,000 gallons) of stormwater into the basin in the 2022/23 water year. In addition, infiltration of water into the vadose zone eventually reaches the aquifer minus any utilized by plants.

https://www.watermaster.org/_files/ugd/af1ff8_e08e4f920e8d4ef68eb7b390b39fdbf6.pdf

Yet according to the article you posted above states that 628,000 acres feet were captured.

I get that ground water needs to be replenished, but how about instead of having to use a process that is only about 40% efficient, we go away from pumping it up, and increase our reservoir capacity and holding capacity. A method that is FAR more efficient use of resources.

 

[1manshow]

Yet according to the article you posted above states that 628,000 acres feet were captured.

I get that ground water needs to be replenished, but how about instead of having to use a process that is only about 40% efficient, we go away from pumping it up, and increase our reservoir capacity and holding capacity. A method that is FAR more efficient use of resources.

BINGO

 

[1manshow]

If a farmer spills a chemical into a drain ditch and a couple carp go belly up it’s a pollution crime. If politicians and environmentalists kill everything in the Klamath River it goes largely ignored

 

[rivermobster]

If a farmer spills a chemical into a drain ditch and a couple carp go belly up it’s a pollution crime. If politicians and environmentalists kill everything in the Klamath River it goes largely ignored

Ignored?

They tore the whole Damm dam down! What a major league cluster fuck.

But it's only temporary, don't cha know...

Hundreds of thousands of salmon dead from ‘gas bubble disease’ in US river

Mass die-off in Klamath River caused by extreme changes in water pressure amid largest dam removal project in US history

www.theguardian.com

 

[1manshow]

Ignored?

They tore the whole Damm dam down! What a major league cluster fuck.

But it's only temporary, don't cha know...

Hundreds of thousands of salmon dead from ‘gas bubble disease’ in US river

Mass die-off in Klamath River caused by extreme changes in water pressure amid largest dam removal project in US history

www.theguardian.com

Yep it sure is and they got three more to to tear down still Its sickening to watch what they have done to this state and the lawyers and Non profits are mostly to blame for what’s happing.

 

[Reddy Too]

Yet according to the article you posted above states that 628,000 acres feet were captured.

I get that ground water needs to be replenished, but how about instead of having to use a process that is only about 40% efficient, we go away from pumping it up, and increase our reservoir capacity and holding capacity. A method that is FAR more efficient use of resources.

Statewide you are correct that reservoirs are needed to capture ”free” water from storm events. However in the San Gabriel Valley with its unique lithology, the most efficient way to capture free water is diverting it into spreading basins. The three dams in the canyon above Azusa have a capacity approximately 92,000 acre-feet the spreading grounds replenished 3X as much the previous water year.

 

[rivermobster]

Statewide you are correct that reservoirs are needed to capture ”free” water from storm events. However in the San Gabriel Valley with its unique lithology, the most efficient way to capture free water is diverting it into spreading basins. The three dams in the canyon above Azusa have a capacity approximately 92,000 acre-feet the spreading grounds replenished 3X as much the previous water year.

Three?

I'm only familiar with two. Where is this third one you speak of?

 

[Reddy Too]

Three?

I'm only familiar with two. Where is this third one you speak of?

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Cogswell. One has to hike to it. HWY 39 west fork.

https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/west-fork-national-scenic-bikeway

 

[rivermobster]

Cogswell. One has to hike to it. HWY 39 west fork.

https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/california/west-fork-national-scenic-bikeway

Been there. A few times.

I suppose in reality it Is a dam, but it's also the size of a big pond behind it.

I'll give you that one on a technical merit only.

 

[1manshow]

 

[Cray Paper]

WA State has been peppering / prepping us for the coming " drought" this year. Water shortages on the western side of WA do not happen....our dipshit governor Jay Inslee keeps pushing his global warming agenda even as he gets shoved out the door this year. Western WA running out of water is preposterous in anyone's view that has ever lived here for a couple of decades or more, yet that is what's being pushed in the local media.

This shit is part of a plan...and it isnt for our best interest.