Whats really behind AZ teacher strike

[2Driver]

This Marxist hater seems to have self appointed his leadership and social disorder agenda into the teacher movement. Sad thing is teachers are following the agenda. Its gotten ugly.

If you are an AZ resident this is stuff to know.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...teacher-leading-strike-teaching-is-political/



Arizona Elementary Teacher Leading Strike: ‘Teaching Is Political’
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Twitter/@Noah__Karvelis

by Dr. Susan Berry24 Apr 20184

A leader of the Arizona teacher strike scheduled for Thursday has urged his colleagues on Twitter to teach political activism to their students and to discuss with them gun control, white supremacy, and anti-capitalism.
Yet, Arizona elementary music school teacher Noah Karvelis states teachers are engaging in the strike because “students deserve better”:

This is why we fight. Our students deserve better! https://t.co/shJGMKL6N8

— Noah Karvelis (@Noah__Karvelis) April 21, 2018

Karvelis, who is heading up the teachers’ movement #RedForEd, is a student of “critical pedagogy,” a teaching approach inspired by the Frankfurt School, or critical theory, and other radical philosophies that aim to develop Marxism.

Last November, he recommended to his colleagues the book A Pedagogy of Anticapitalist Antiracism: Whiteness, Neoliberalism, and Resistance in Education by Zachary A. Casey:

This one is a must-read for any teacher, but especially critical pedagogues. One of the best contributions I've come across. pic.twitter.com/grPD5c6Ntl

— Noah Karvelis (@Noah__Karvelis) November 28, 2017

Karvelis teaches music – specializing in hip hop – at Tres Rios Service Academy in Tolleson, Arizona. His curriculum vitae states he served as campaign manager to elect Democrat Kathy Hoffman for Arizona Superintendent of Public Instruction and was also a volunteer for Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign.

“Teaching is political and silence is complicity,” he posted to his Twitter account in December 2017. “Things more educators should discuss (especially if they work with young (white) men in the classroom in 2018: gender, feminism, and #MeToo, race, gun violence”:

Things more educators should discuss (especially if they work with young (white) men) in the classroom in 2018:

1. Gender, Feminism, & #MeToo
2. Race
3. Gun Violence

Teaching is political and silence is complicity.

— Noah Karvelis (@Noah__Karvelis) December 10, 2017

Karvelis’s alternate narrative after the Parkland school shooting and the concern about the mental health issues of accused shooter Nikolas Cruz was: “Emphasize gun control; emphasize toxic/violent masculinity; emphasize whiteness/white supremacy”:

Emphasize gun control.
Emphasize toxic/violent masculinity.
Emphasize whiteness/white supremacy.

We have to face uncomfortable topics to stop this. https://t.co/b2Ck6ypqDb

— Noah Karvelis (@Noah__Karvelis) February 16, 2018

Karvelis uses Black Lives Matter ideology in his teaching which, he tweets, allows him to connect “black identity” to political “activism” for his students:

#BlackLivesMatterAtSchool for our class means

1. Using @kendricklamar and Lauryn Hill to discuss black identity

2. Connecting this identity to activism and

3. Removing my voice as much as possible and letting the students and the culture speak. #HipHopEd

— Noah Karvelis (@Noah__Karvelis) February 7, 2018

He cites as an accomplishment of his political activism discussions with his students the fact that “last year students petitioned the gendered school dress code”:

Last year, we studied the intersectionality of Lauryn Hill's life/work. Then, wrote raps centered upon feminist issues. Several of the 8th-grade women then extended the work/consciousness into a petition against the sexism of the school dress code. #HipHopEd

— Noah Karvelis (@Noah__Karvelis) February 28, 2018

Connecting Tricia Rose's work on the representation of black women in hip-hop with the lives of young women and the actions of young men can be powerful.

Last year students petitioned the gendered school dress code because of Lauryn's example. #HipHopEd

— Noah Karvelis (@Noah__Karvelis) February 7, 2018

Karvelis tweeted in March that #RedForEd has allowed him to have discussions with students in his classroom about “workers’ rights, labor movements, civil disobedience, and fighting for necessary social change”:

Two personal favorite parts of #RedForEd so far:

1. Seeing educators so empowered.

2. The incredible discussions this has started with my students on workers’ rights, labor movements, civil disobedience, and fighting for necessary social change.

— Noah Karvelis (@Noah__Karvelis) March 25, 2018

This month, Karvelis gave an interview – while sitting in his public-school classroom with students present – about #RedForEd to Radio Sputnik, which is owned and operated by the Russian government. During the course of the interview, listeners can hear the school bells — which are noted by the host — and Karvelis himself admits students are present in his classroom.

The Daily Beast reported in February that “internal documents show that guests never make it onto [Radio Sputnik’s] airwaves without the approval of a state-owned media organ close to Russia President Vladimir Putin.”

“We’re seeing Arizona continue to escalate actions,” Karvelis said during the interview, stating that teachers in his state are among the lowest-paid in the nation. “We’re organized now, we’re mobilized, we have a group of over 40,000 members organized within a group we’re calling Arizona Educators United, and we’re continuing to take action, formalizing our demands, all sorts of things.”

 

[DEEZNUTS]

Thats the wrong state for Marxist bullshit. I would like to see a 7th grader beat his skinny ass as deport him back to CA.

 

[grumpy88]

And the rest of the teachers follow along . Makes you wonder about the group as a whole . Education should be scrutinized more then it is . Public education should be fact based teaching only . Good luck Arizona you have just become a extension of California .

 

[SBMech]

Someone needs to get their ass beat all the way back to fairyville.

I really dislike this whole indoctrination that is taking place instead of teaching.

 

[Hullbilly]

Someone needs to get their ass beat all the way back to fairyville.

I really dislike this whole indoctrination that is taking place instead of teaching.

Blasphemer! You need to be more tolerant and inclusive....

 

[Deja_Vu]

Home School.
You can enforce the pledge of allegiance, dress code, and teach real true American history instead of someone else's interpretation.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

I support our teachers "Red for ED"

 

[2Driver]

I support our teachers "Red for ED"

So do I just not like this.

 

[Wicky]

I just want to know why teachers think they deserve to get rich teaching, taking 16 weeks off a year.

 

[2Driver]

I just want to know what teacher thought they were going to get rich teaching, taking 16 weeks off a year.

Actully its not bad

Avg Phoenix pay is $60k, in a fairly inexpensive town for cost of living
2 months off at summer
Another 3 weeks off for holidays and school closure
Job security and about impossible to get fired
Approx. 11 paid sick days.
Great Pension and cheap healthcare

It’s probably the private sector equivalnt to making $100,000 a year.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

So do I just not like this.

This is going to be a long term disaster for Arizona Politicians. Our Schools have been a disaster for the last 40 years.

 

[EmpirE231]

I don't know too much about AZ teachers and what they make, but any sort of collective bargaining like this by public sector workers always equals more taxes.

 

[rvrrun]

"Karvelis teaches music - specializing in hip hop"

I thought our state was bad.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

Actully its not bad

Avg Phoenix pay is $60k, in a fairly inexpensive town for cost of living
2 months off at summer
Another 3 weeks off for holidays and school closure
Job security and about impossible to get fired
Approx. 11 paid sick days.
Great Pension and cheap healthcare

It’s probably the private sector equivalnt to making $100,000 a year.

Probably not even close.
Here are some good statistic's. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d16/tables/dt16_211.60.asp
Arizona Average is $45k.
That includes pay teachers make for summer school and after school programs.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

I don't know too much about AZ teachers and what they make, but any sort of collective bargaining like this by public sector workers always equals more taxes.

That's been the problem all along. We don't collect enough taxes for our schools.

 

[EmpirE231]

That's been the problem all along. We don't collect enough taxes for our schools.

good luck on turning into CA

 

[JRS1939]

Actully its not bad

Avg Phoenix pay is $60k, in a fairly inexpensive town for cost of living
2 months off at summer
Another 3 weeks off for holidays and school closure
Job security and about impossible to get fired
Approx. 11 paid sick days.
Great Pension and cheap healthcare

It’s probably the private sector equivalnt to making $100,000 a year.

Only 2 months in the summer? I count 3.

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[530RL]

The average "classroom teacher" pay in Arizona is 47,403 and that average number has fallen in both real and nominal terms since 1999.

In 1999, they contributed 2.2 percent of their pay to their retirement plan, now they contribute 11.3 percent.

But the fact is they signed a contract, and they all fully knew the pay scale when they began their career selection.

The teachers now think they have a bad deal, have decided to tear up their contract, and negotiate a better deal in any way they can even if they need to promote a false narrative or violate existing contactual obligations.

Wonder where they got the idea that it is appropriate to negotiate in such a way?

 

[Motor Boater]

Probably not even close.
Here are some good statistic's. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d16/tables/dt16_211.60.asp
Arizona Average is $45k.
That includes pay teachers make for summer school and after school programs.

This is correct. Average is 45-47K. Starting pay for teachers is 28K. 32K if you have a masters but they typically won’t hire people with masters degrees because they don’t want to pay the extra 4K.

This situation is WAY bigger then the info posted above.

In AZ we are having a tough time attracting big companies to headquarter here because employees don’t want to come here because our schools rank very very low. We are something like 47th in pay.

When my kids show up on the first day they are hauling sacks of grocery’s because the schools don’t have paper, pencils, glue etc. our tax money is not being used at these schools.

On the flip side these people made the decision to b come teachers, they knew the issues, they knew the pay, nobody forced them to become teachers. I agree with them but don’t agree with their methods.

 

[DC-88]

Little Noah definitely didn't get bullied enough .
As far as being a great teacher it's a gift/skill which should be rewarded and most don't have (myself included). The people who have this gift go far beyond any classroom, they are on job sites, in shops, labs, the corporate world, sports, you name it. Az teachers do have shitty pay, and any household even in Ca with a teacher as the primary breadwinner will be on a budget. I'd be bummed if one of my boys came home and said he wanted to teach grade school for a living. My wife's been teaching 25 years and kills it without using chrome books, bare minimum common core , Bill gates based bs etc. She's a dying breed and is sick of the whiny entitled kids the current parents are producing . One of my good friends coaches for an MLB franchise and is an amazing teacher. The good ones need to be rewarded and to use a figure of speech ...someone needs to punch the bad ones like this goon's momma in the mouth -

 

[Flying_Lavey]

That's been the problem all along. Our politicians "redirect" taxes monies away from public schools more and more every year.

Fixed it for you

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[2Driver]

Funny no one can grab the real pay numbers. Local channel 12 which is liberal as it gets and bashes our mayor and sides with the unions reported average phx district is 58k.

You can make the numbers what you want. Yeah im sure the Bouse kindergarten teacher fresh out of college is making 32k. So run around and spout that number as average.

Add time off, vacation, pension and healthcare and job security its more than fair compensation. Hey if is sucks so bad do something else.

Want to find the dollars look at waste and ultra fat admin cost. Again 228 distircts each with superintendents making 150-200k plus bennies and a full time admin. The redundency cost are massive

Last year the schools got 820,000,000 from prop abc. Where it go?

 

[530RL]

Funny no one can grab the real pay numbers. Local channel 12 which is liberal as it gets and bashes our mayor and sides with the unions reported average phx district is 58k.

You can make the numbers what you want. Yeah im sure the Bouse kindergarten teacher fresh out of college is making 32k. So run around and spout that number as average.

Add time off, vacation, pension and healthcare and job security its more than fair compensation. Hey if is sucks so bad do something else.

Want to find the dollars look at waste and ultra fat admin cost. Again 228 distircts each with superintendents making 150-200k plus bennies and a full time admin. The redundency cost are massive

Last year the schools got 820,000,000 from prop abc. Where it go?

Mean, Median or Mode......

Here is some data regarding pay with links to achievement.

https://mapazdashboard.arizona.edu/education/teacher-wages

 

[DRYHEAT]

The governor offered a 20% pay increase over two years, but that wasn’t good enough then they say we need pay increases for all the support staff building maintenance administration etc.

The most infuriating thing that I hear from all the proponents is “ we have to do it for the good of the children so they can have a better education”
So does that mean the current teachers are not giving it 100% effort to be good teachers? I always thought people who wanted to be teachers did it because they felt they had a calling to help cultivate young minds.

If these teachers are as brilliant as they claim to be you would think they would be smart enough to make the decision whether to continue teaching or find another career that will support their lifestyle.

I do not particularly enjoy the work that I have done for the last 30 years, but I do it to support my meager lifestyle.

I Could make changes and educate myself better but that’s no guarantee of a big paycheck.

I see this as a societal problem everywhere, kids coming out of college on the bottom rung all think they should be making six-figure salary’s and living in $400,000 homes.
Whatever happened to working your way up.

 

[2Driver]

LOL they get 12 sick days and if they don’t use them and go to work and get paid they also get paid for the sick days.

You can’t have these outlandish benefits that cost tax payers 100k per teacher and complain poor mouth about base salary. Its either or

 

[2Driver]

Go back, get rid of the redundancy and admin waste and other losing propositions.

Put benefits in line with a comparable $60k private sector job working 11 months a year.

THEN COME TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR NEED FOR A FAIR RAISE.

LOL if they were striking against waste and bureaucracy to get a raise I’d be in the picket line with them.

 

[regor]

Welcome to the dungeon...................F THE TEACHERS!

 

[Hullbilly]

Lot’s of paid days off, pretty good medical/retirement,3 months off in summer, no physical exertion, bachelors degree.....I’d shut up and be happy. Christ what a bunch of whining cunts. My millenial teacher wife even says all these li bitches should shut their yaps and do their fuckin’ job


ENTITLEMENT....gimme gimme Uuuuutoooopia

 

[2Driver]

Salaries may be low but it’s only a component of compensation and compensation is more than competitive.

Like the guy on commission and salary complaining he should have an equal salary to his salary only peers.

Welcome to the dungeon...................F THE TEACHERS!

No it’s F the private sector tax payer

 

[spectra3279]

Nowhere in that article did I see anything about teaching.

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[Hullbilly]

Salaries may be low but it’s only a component of compensation and compensation is more than competitive.

Like the guy on commission and salary complaining he should have an equal salary to his salary only peers.



No it’s F the private sector tax payer

Bingo.....perhaps if these spoiled little brats didnt try to live out champagne dreams on a beer budget.

i cant help but laugh at how pathetic they are

 

[Motor Boater]

Funny no one can grab the real pay numbers. Local channel 12 which is liberal as it gets and bashes our mayor and sides with the unions reported average phx district is 58k.

You can make the numbers what you want. Yeah im sure the Bouse kindergarten teacher fresh out of college is making 32k. So run around and spout that number as average.

Add time off, vacation, pension and healthcare and job security its more than fair compensation. Hey if is sucks so bad do something else.

The numbers I am quoting are NOT for Bouse, AZ. There is not a school there. Paradise Valley School district is what I’m looking at. They aren’t making 60K.

I don’t disagree these teachers have the best schedule known to man. They have great job security and good benefits. Is also agree they are welcome to go get another job at any time. But if the job is sooo good why aren’t there people lined up to do it? They are way short on teachers because nobody is interested in doing it. You can’t live in an apartment in Scottsdale or paradise valley on 30K a year.

Also keep in mind the teachers have been very smart here. They aren’t just asking for a raise. They are asking for funding for programs that have been drained. Sports, arts, woods, autos are all gone. Our teachers don’t have paper in Scottsdale.....paper!! We get emails from teachers needing glue!!! They are not just asking for a raise in salaries, they need funding to run the school.

I say all this just to clarify the facts. Honestly I’m livid at the method they are using to get this point across. There is a balance of what they asking for and what they should get but the fact is our government is stripping the money out of the program for other things and that’s not right.

 

[RodnJen]

They are using this method because nothing else has worked. They’re electeds and constituents have failed their communities.

 

[2Driver]

The “teacher’s” latest solution now is to raise state income tax on the rich and give it to them

Sounds like Marxism has arrived and their leader has shown his true ambition

 

[regor]

How much money is spent on illegals in AZ?

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

good luck on turning into CA

Our problem started when all these California idiots moved here.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Welcome to the dungeon...................F THE TEACHERS!

I thought this was in the lounge when I posted in it earlier, I don’t usually come to the dungeon anymore

 

[wallnutz]

The thing is, with a raise the teaching isn’t going to get better. They are still going to be the same old teachers that rank last in the country. The education system in Az has been broken for a long time. Administration sucks all the money for themselves and screws the teachers. They need to cut administration down to create more for the teachers, instead of making BS rules and screwed up testing like aims.

 

[regor]

The thing is, with a raise the teaching isn’t going to get better. They are still going to be the same old teachers that rank last in the country. The education system in Az has been broken for a long time. Administration sucks all the money for themselves and screws the teachers. They need to cut administration down to create more for the teachers, instead of making BS rules and screwed up testing like aims.

Great point! So between that and the funds that go to illegals, the teachers should address them, but just like electricity, they follow the path of least resistance...........AND the bastards all want to be administrators some day.

Gimme that fat pension!!!!

 

[DRYHEAT]

I don’t understand why we have 239 school districts in the state of Arizona. That seems like alot of administrators that don’t seem to be improving test scores.

 

[regor]

I thought this was in the lounge when I posted in it earlier, I don’t usually come to the dungeon anymore

 

[Hullbilly]

Great point! So between that and the funds that go to illegals, the teachers should address them, but just like electricity, they follow the path of least resistance...........AND the bastards all want to be administrators some day.

Gimme that fat pension!!!!

It’s everywhere, young snotnose punks with half the time in service feel that they are entitled to everything...don’t need to work for, earn or put their time in, oh and they’ve all been there done that.....fucking nerds

Custodial arts is a rough business!

 

[Hullbilly]

How much money is spent on illegals in AZ?

 

[DRYHEAT]

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I probably shouldn’t say this since he isn’t here to defend himself anymore, but that’s how I picture GRADS

 

[RodnJen]

It’s everywhere, young snotnose punks with half the time in service feel that they are entitled to everything...don’t need to work for, earn or put their time in, oh and they’ve all been there done that.....fucking nerds

Custodial arts is a rough business!

Sounds like River Whippers to me.

 

[was thatguy]

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[Uncle Dave]

More money for schools an teachers makes zero sense to me because we aren't getting the results we currently pay for today.

Why is it we spend more per student than any country in the world but get a 10th place scholastic result?

As my family moved around I went to 5 high schools from expensive catholic to inner city brutal and had great and piss poor teachers at both types.

For a group of people that do nothing but teach test and measure - they seem to refuse to be held to any kind of performance standard themselves with a union at their back preventing any kind of performance based compensation.

The rest of the world has to grow and continuously improve quarter on quarter year on year or we lose our jobs while teachers are using the same material from the 1980's

Selling anything into education requires completely writing the entire course material for them as they will never do it otherwise -

Seems to me its a job where the mediocre get the same bennies pay and protection as the great ones.

UD

 

[Racey]

More money for schools an teachers makes zero sense to me because we aren't getting the realists we currently pay for today.

Why is it we spend more per student than any country in the world but get a 10th place scholastic result?

As my family moved around I went to 5 high schools from expensive catholic to inner city brutal and had great and piss poor teachers at both types.

For a group of people that do nothing but teach test and measure - they seem to refuse to be held to any kind of performance standard themselves with a union at their back preventing any kind of performance based compensation.

The rest of the world has to grow and continuously improve quarter on quarter year on year or we lose our jobs while teachers are using the same material from the 1980's

Selling anything into education requires completely writing the entire course material for them as they will never do it otherwise -

Seems to me its a job where the mediocre get the same bennies pay and protection as the great ones.

UD

The education system as a whole in this country is a complete mess, they waste money massively in certain areas, and then shift all of the shortfalls onto the teachers (who honestly are getting paid pretty damn well considering teachers only work ~70% of the working days that most other jobs have) and then they get them to rally for more money, and more taxes, and no politician can easily 'run against the teachers' or 'run against the children', so they pass through higher taxes again, more school budget money again, and then the cycle starts over with them wasting it on unnecessary things.

I don't know anything about AZ's particular issues, but this seems to be a theme all around the country, it certainly is here in NV

 

[wallnutz]

The education system as a whole in this country is a complete mess, they waste money massively in certain areas, and then shift all of the shortfalls onto the teachers (who honestly are getting paid pretty damn well considering teachers only work ~70% of the working days that most other jobs have) and then they get them to rally for more money, and more taxes, and no politician can easily 'run against the teachers' or 'run against the children', so they pass through higher taxes again, more school budget money again, and then the cycle starts over with them wasting it on unnecessary things.

I don't know anything about AZ's particular issues, but this seems to be a theme all around the country, it certainly is here in NV

That’s part of the bad cycle with the administration. They have to lobby for more money to keep their fat salaries and not pass it down to where it’s needed to attract better teachers. The administrations try to make the ciricullum as basic and simple as possible so they don’t have to hire better teachers. I think that’s why common core is pushed so much. Pretty soon the teacher will be a computer monitor.

 

[Sandlord]

If they could encourage more home schooling you would need less teachers. You could then pay the remaining teachers more without raising taxes. You might even get smarter adults.