What's a good way to tell your boss your co-worker sucks and not sound like you are whining

[RiverDave]

The original question is how do you talk to your boss about this without sounding like you are whining.

My suggestion is to have a conversation with your boss asking he/she to make clear each individuals as well as the teams goals and objectives and how the boss is measuring how each is meeting those goals and objectives.

Understand clearly what is the work requirement of each individual, how it fits into the overall objectives, and how results will be measured both from a group as well as individual perspective.

Not a conversation about how either is performing, but a conversation about the respective team members roles and overall expectations by management.

The purpose of this is two fold.

1) It clears up any misunderstanding either a team member or the manager has with respect to task and results expectations. For example, you may think she sucks, but what she sucks at is not something the supervisor expects her to do but you to do.

2) It makes the supervisor more aware of what the expectations are of each and focuses them on things they might not have been noticing.

This is the best advice so far.. unless ya want to make a power play and goto the bosses boss and say I’m unsure what to do about my current situation but I sure know what I’d do if I was the manager in this situation.. lol.

 

[500bbc]

I was in a similar spot when I was an office chair jockey...Don't miss a whole lot of that life.
I could tell my boss what was going on until I was blue in the face, I tend to not complain and just pick up the slack until a breaking point.
I set the alarm codes for the building and assigned everyone a code. One day I printed a months worth of code use and highlighted mine in one color and the other persons in another color, we were all salary with no timekeeping.
Threw them on his desk and said please take a minute and call me if you have any questions.
One of his comments was "how are you still married"
Nothing happened that day but it got the ball rolling.

Maybe he was proposing?

 

[mesquito_creek]

29 years retired electrical utility with 16 in management.

Document the time and tasks you spend with her and come to your manger with a few concrete examples of your efforts to help her.

Ask your manager how you can help her and other team member succeed and what his expectations are for your time in the mentor role.

Your manager knows how she performs and can’t do shit about it. If he goes to HR they will bounce him back in her a hundred different ways and no matter what she does she will either leave on her own will or the manager will be blamed for not being able to coach her and improve her performance. She is untouchable.

Your can either be seen as easy to work with or hard to work with. Choose easy to work with regardless of how you feel.

 

[CLdrinker]

29 years retired electrical utility with 16 in management.

Document the time and tasks you spend with her and come to your manger with a few concrete examples of your efforts to help her.

Ask your manager how you can help her and other team member succeed and what his expectations are for your time in the mentor role.

Your manager knows how she performs and can’t do shit about it. If he goes to HR they will bounce him back in her a hundred different ways and no matter what she does she will either leave on her own will or the manager will be blamed for not being able to coach her and improve her performance. She is untouchable.

Your can either be seen as easy to work with or hard to work with. Choose easy to work with regardless of how you feel.

See a guy formerly of the industry gets it.

It’s almost shocking

OP I suggest you tread lightly. If you speak up be very gentle with your words and have documentation to back your claims.

 

[mesquito_creek]

Next, this is the advanced move:

Find out if she belongs to “WIN” Women’s Initiative Network. It’s the most powerful mafia group in corporate America. If she does then every women, many whom may be your manager one day will know about your interaction with her. It’s career suicide to cross anyone in that group.

This information come from my wife who is a senior VP for one of the largest HR professional group in the country and globally. This comes directly from the insiders.

 

[BHC Vic]

Lol some of you have bought into way too much bullshit I’m in the union and this shit is comical

Of course the union has top dollar lawyers and are used to these kind of stupid law suits, but no they would destroy any and all harassment suits. And yes I just watched an office admin try to sue. She got crushed and she had a pretty strong case

 

[CLdrinker]

Next, this is the advanced move:

Find out if she belongs to “WIN” Women’s Initiative Network. It’s the most powerful mafia group in corporate America. If she does then every women, many whom may be your manager one day will know about your interaction with her. It’s career suicide to cross anyone in that group.

This information come from my wife who is a senior VP for one of the largest HR professional group in the country and globally. This comes directly from the insiders.

Nah bro have a coming to Jesus talk with her!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Next, this is the advanced move:

Find out if she belongs to “WIN” Women’s Initiative Network. It’s the most powerful mafia group in corporate America. If she does then every women, many whom may be your manager one day will know about your interaction with her. It’s career suicide to cross anyone in that group.

This information come from my wife who is a senior VP for one of the largest HR professional group in the country and globally. This comes directly from the insiders.

Not if you identify as LBGTQ+WTF first and broadcast your pronouns.

You will then win any workplace dispute.

 

[mesquito_creek]

Not if you identify as LBGTQ+WTF first and broadcast your pronouns.

You will then win any workplace dispute.

Sorry, but Pride is just a front and false flag operation for WIN. WIN is the puppet master…

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sorry, but Pride is just a front and false flag operation for WIN. WIN is the puppet master…

Oh absolutely. I have heard the same thing from the wife of one of my best friends. She's Sr. Director of HR at a large gaming (casino) company.

 

[rrrr]

Announce you now identify as a woman, then sit next to her at every meeting. Scoot your chair over a little and whisper stuff like "Can you believe these men? They're all sexists and misogynists." Follow her into the bathroom, take the stall next to her, and squeeze out a chuffer while grunting loudly. Ask for makeup tips.

She'll be gone in less than ten days.

 

[Ultra...Good]

go to your present boss and tell him or her, that you are unhappy there, and are thinking about leaving the company.

If that was ever mentioned to me, I would help them make up their mind.

One of the things I never dealt with was someone telling me how green the grass was on the other side, they think. Your not sure? Need a push? Send me pictures when you get there.......

 

[Dana757]

There’s not a good way to tell the boss. If you notice it then others are noticing it too. If it was me I’d stay in my lane and watch it play out.

 

[Ultra...Good]

Announce you now identify as a woman, then sit next to her at every meeting. Scoot your chair over a little and whisper stuff like "Can you believe these men? They're all sexists and misogynists." Follow her into the bathroom, take the stall next to her, and squeeze out a chuffer while grunting loudly. Ask for makeup tips.

She'll be gone in less than ten days.

Love it!!!!! Maybe exchange grooming tips?

 

[poncho]

There’s not a good way to tell the boss. If you notice it then others are noticing it too. If it was me I’d stay in my lane and watch it play out.

One of my first Bosses basically told me this, I wanted to fire half my guys and he said learn to chill, people have a way of outing themselves.
That being said it's not easy waiting for it to happen sometimes.

 

[Orange Juice]

I suggest you don’t try and change anything.

Rather look for another position in the company that pays more.

 

[whiteworks]

Grab her by the pussy

BTW I’m pretty much unemployable unless I own the company

 

[DWC]

No chance I’d do a come to Jesus meeting or do anything to get her to start writing shit down that you’re doing or not. Never ends well. There’s a 99% chance your boss and his boss know exactly how bad she is. I’d never complain about my salary or coworker without being willing to quit. No different than negotiating a price on a car.
If it’s a public company there’s a really good chance you’re going to get a new, inexperienced female to take their place.
Put in for a 2 week vacation for the busiest time of year. Some place that has “zero cell reception”. The reaction when you submit it should tell you everything you need to know. If not, everyone will figure it out when you get back.

 

[Vamodsquad]

If that was ever mentioned to me, I would help them make up their mind.

One of the things I never dealt with was someone telling me how green the grass was on the other side, they think. Your not sure? Need a push? Send me pictures when you get there.......

I suppose it depends on who you are. I'm a little older, so I've got more experience and equipment than most of my co-workers do. I'm good at my job, and my boss knows it. We get along good. I make him alot of money, and that makes him happy. So if I go to him with a problem, he's going to listen to me, because he knows I'm going to tell him the truth. Been there, done that.

 

[mash on it]

If you are doing half her work, shouldn't you get half her paycheck?
Only seems fair.

Dan'l

 

[CarolynandBob]

I haven't read all the reply's.

To me your boss is failing. He/she should know what his/her employees are doing or not doing.

I would simply not do their work for them. Tell the other groups to that it is her responsibility to do those things and if they have a problem then go to her boss about it. Also as someone said "Document, document, document". Everything in emails that are backed up.

I get helping someone learn the ropes about a new job, but it sound like you have gone way beyond that.

 

[calkid]

 

[Flatsix66]

If I had an employee come to me bitching about a peer, you are calling out my judgement. Unless your special your be gone, you are now the problem. You don’t know why she is there and how she is ranked for that purpose. Just do your job, always make your boss look good and things will go well for you. Then maybe one day you’ll be the boss over a bunch fucktards and you’ll have your own barrel of monkeys to play with.

 

[Shlbyntro]

If I had an employee come to me bitching about a peer, you are calling out my judgement. Unless your special your be gone, you are now the problem. You don’t know why she is there and how she is ranked for that purpose. Just do your job, always make your boss look good and things will go well for you. Then maybe one day you’ll be the boss over a bunch fucktards and you’ll have your own barrel of monkeys to play with.

"I don't want to hear it" from management is poor leadership.



J, all you can do is be respectful and tactful about how you bring it up and hopefully they will listen and help provide a solution. Don't stay in a job you hate if you're the only one trying to improve the situation.

 

[SBMech]

You're already fucked.

You are about to find out the true meaning of "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished".

Never pick up slack for another's failure to perform...ever...unless you are specifically hired, asked to, AND PAID for filling a gap or a shortcoming in skill or education.

Or you own the shit and have to do it as a necessary evil, because it's your money/name/business in the end.

I suggest you remove all your "help" and tell everyone to do their own work, and it's sink or swim. Fuck your boss and or your HR dept. They allow leeches like this to exist.