What Attracts People To Kamala?

[Smitty7]

1960 King's of the world. 2024 Clowns of the world.

 

[Wizard29]

If inflation goes to zero, prices will not come down, they quit going up. In order for prices to come down, you need deflation. I think anyone with a basic economic understanding can agree that deflation would be very bad for the American economy.

With respect to tariffs on China, if one puts tariffs on China, it does not mean private organizations move manufacturing to the US, they move it to the next cheapest total cost place which may or may not be the US. That is what the consumer demands, lower prices. Walmart didn't get big because everyone want to shop at Max Retail. You will see tons of threads on here looking for the best deal, a hookup, the cheapest price. But I have never seen a thread where people say they want to pay the maximum amount they possibly can, to support their fellow American workers. One of the biggest threads in here is how to get media programming without paying; one can reasonably argue that is much worse than outsourcing for those workers. Companies move production wherever they can to lower their costs and satisfy the customer. Moving production is a total pain as I have done it, and no one wants to do it. But if we do not, we go out of business as our competitors beat us. The thought that the government should control production decisions of private enterprises via punitive taxes is antithetical to everything conservatives believe. It is right out of the Marxist playbook and a recipe for shortages, inflation and lack of choice for the consumer.

But I think we have beaten that to death and can agree to disagree that Trump is a Panacea and that a government under Trump will reverse the historical economic lessons that government intervention leads to worse outcomes than capitalism and free markets.

But you said something I would like to understand. You have indicated the Harris as Vice President is equally responsible and determinate for the severe economic collapse during this administration. Consistent with that, Pence would have been equally responsible and determinate for the outstanding economic results during the last administration. But this brings up a conundrum.

If the Vice President is equally responsible and determinate, why isn't Pence still on the ticket? How can the same results be delivered without a major part of the team? When Brady went to Tampa, Belicheck was exposed. Why will the loss of Pence not expose Trump? Or is one man the answer and we just need to sit back and let him fix it all?

So prices never go down unless there is deflation? Well, Trump had some massive deflation when he was president then with the price of gas as it was. In a competitive market, less cost of production and delivering a product means less cost for the consumer. Prices don't come down as fast as they go up, but if one supplier has the ability to capture more market share by reducing their prices and keeping an acceptable margin, that's exactly what they will do.

Trump has said he will apply tariffs on all imports, no matter where they come from so as to encourage production here. China was just an example. The government wouldn't be controlling production locations, they are just incentivizing production to be done in the place that is best for our economy. You have a real "all or nothing" approach to government intervention. There are times when government intervention is appropriate and other times when it is not. It's a strategic practice and no one size fits all approach will ever work. Do I think the government should be able to tell me I have to wear a helmet when I ride a motorcycle? No. Do I think the government prohibiting someone from walking up to me and shooting me or my family is appropriate? Yes.

I would also credit Pence with the solid economic performance during the first Trump administration. He was on the team that brought the results. However, he and Trump obviously had some disagreements on other issues and that's why he's not on the ticket this time around. Once again, it's not "all or nothing", which seems to be your mantra. Is it not possible to replace someone on the team that could deliver the same or even better results? Seems weird for someone who allegedly runs a larger business to not know the answer to that question.

It's no conundrum for me. While I would credit Pence with the results we saw during the Trump admin, I credit Kamala with the shit results we are seeing during the Biden admin. That makes it even easier to do when Kamala has been there every step of the way supporting the horrible policies that have been put in place and now wants to continue them.

 

[regor]

Not a tree you wanna bark up little doggy. It was your god McCain that gave the thumbs down on the ACA repeal, after all the blow harding from the GOP he did exactly what he was known for, back stabbing his constituents.... nice try clown

 

[530RL]

So prices never go down unless there is deflation? Well, Trump had some massive deflation when he was president then with the price of gas as it was. In a competitive market, less cost of production and delivering a product means less cost for the consumer. Prices don't come down as fast as they go up, but if one supplier has the ability to capture more market share by reducing their prices and keeping an acceptable margin, that's exactly what they will do.

Trump has said he will apply tariffs on all imports, no matter where they come from so as to encourage production here. China was just an example. The government wouldn't be controlling production locations, they are just incentivizing production to be done in the place that is best for our economy. You have a real "all or nothing" approach to government intervention. There are times when government intervention is appropriate and other times when it is not. It's a strategic practice and no one size fits all approach will ever work. Do I think the government should be able to tell me I have to wear a helmet when I ride a motorcycle? No. Do I think the government prohibiting someone from walking up to me and shooting me or my family is appropriate? Yes.

I would also credit Pence with the solid economic performance during the first Trump administration. He was on the team that brought the results. However, he and Trump obviously had some disagreements on other issues and that's why he's not on the ticket this time around. Once again, it's not "all or nothing", which seems to be your mantra. Is it not possible to replace someone on the team that could deliver the same or even better results? Seems weird for someone who allegedly runs a larger business to not know the answer to that question.

It's no conundrum for me. While I would credit Pence with the results we saw during the Trump admin, I credit Kamala with the shit results we are seeing during the Biden admin. That makes it even easier to do when Kamala has been there every step of the way supporting the horrible policies that have been put in place and now wants to continue them.

The definition of a price going down is deflation. At least that is what they taught me in grade school.

I don't have an all or nothing approach, an all or nothing approach would be for example tariffs on every single imported good at the exact same rate, as opposed to strategic tariffs where America has been treated disproportionately. An all or nothing tariff, as proposed by one of the two potential administrations has historically led to declining economic performance, declining wages and a declining standard of living.

Trump’s Tariff Proposals Would Raise Tariff Rates to Great Depression-Era Levels

Using tariff policy to reallocate investment and jobs is a costly mistake—that’s a history lesson we should not forget.

taxfoundation.org

Further, in general I believe in limited government, as opposed to the current two prospects who both tout that their administrations, that their government, is the only solution and without their being victorious, "America is doomed". Sounds a little hyperbolic to me. Like in here when Biden won and the consensus was that America would not exist in two years. Well, here we are, four years later, much to their chagrin.

In any event, I am data driven as opposed to feelings driven. Other than the rate of inflation, which can be rationally attributed to many different sources versus simply Harris, the economic performance of the last 4 years has been statistically average. I understand you simply do not accept the economic data or believe the only data that is relevant is the rate of inflation or deflation. And as a result, it is all "shit".

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/from-lbj-to-biden:-how-the-economy-performed-under-each-president

Biden Versus Trump’s Economy: How The Candidates Compare On Jobs, Inflation and More | Bankrate

Bankrate looked at a sampling of economic data from Trump and Biden’s time in office to help Americans compare each president’s economic report card.

www.bankrate.com

The Truth Beneath the Economic Misinformation

Yale SOM leadership expert Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and co-author Stephen Henriques write that in the upcoming debate, the Democratic nominee can and should argue that the economy has boomed under the Biden-Harris administration.

insights.som.yale.edu

With respect to our businesses, it has certainly been excellent in both terms of growth in revenue, margin and pre-tax. As a result I am less worried about who wins the election as I understand the buck stops with me and whining about who is or is not President does not absolve me of that responsibility. So when I combine the objective macro economic data with our data, I do not see "shit results". And neither have our partners, lenders and employees. But to your point, how has your business been? How is your net worth compared to four years ago? How is your standard of living compared to 4 years ago? How is the value of your business or the business you work for compared to four years ago? Is it "shit"?

My ballot came yesterday, I filled it out today based upon some of the comments and feedback I got yesterday and today. It is signed and mailed. I get one vote and I used it as I wished. Besides that it is up to me to succeed or fail, regardless of who is elected. And my experience is that all of those who focus on results versus making excuses for whose fault it is, will outperform their peers which is the fundamental goal.

 

[Cray Paper]

The true cause of inflation.

 

[Wizard29]

I'm done with typing paragraph after paragraph of stuff to argue with someone over the internet because I really have better things to do. But I did at least want to respond to this:

How is your standard of living compared to 4 years ago? How is the value of your business or the business you work for compared to four years ago? Is it "shit"?

Well, the company I work for just announced the results of the first round of layoffs today with another round coming in Q1 of next year. Other companies like Northrop Grumman who my friend works for are starting to experience the same.

How is the standard of living and value of business? Maybe you should ask those people who lost their jobs today and now have to figure out how to provide for their families. Some might call that "shit".

It's strange, but I don't recall this happening in the pre-Covid Trump years.

 

[530RL]

I'm done with typing paragraph after paragraph of stuff to argue with someone over the internet because I really have better things to do. But I did at least want to respond to this:



Well, the company I work for just announced the results of the first round of layoffs today with another round coming in Q1 of next year. Other companies like Northrop Grumman who my friend works for are starting to experience the same.

How is the standard of living and value of business? Maybe you should ask those people who lost their jobs today and now have to figure out how to provide for their families. Some might call that "shit".

It's strange, but I don't recall this happening in the pre-Covid Trump years.

I understand your view now more clearly as it affects you personally. Boeing certainly has had a tough time.

I’m sure there are a lot of people who felt like you under Trump and lost their jobs also, just shit. Their views don’t care about macro policies or measurable macro outcomes but personal outcomes.

It would be rational to blame it on Harris, just as those who lost their jobs under Trump, blame Trump. Fair point.

https://www.reuters.com/business/how-offshoring-rolled-along-under-trump-who-vowed-stop-it-2021-01-19/

 

[Wizard29]

I understand your view now more clearly as it affects you personally. Boeing certainly has had a tough time.

I’m sure there are a lot of people who felt like you under Trump and lost their jobs also, just shit. Their views don’t care about macro policies or measurable macro outcomes but personal outcomes.

It would be rational to blame it on Harris, just as those who lost their jobs under Trump, blame Trump. Fair point.

https://www.reuters.com/business/how-offshoring-rolled-along-under-trump-who-vowed-stop-it-2021-01-19/

Yeah, you're right. The fact that multiple companies are having to lay people off has nothing to do with this administration's economically destructive policies. If anything, it's Trump's fault. After all, he's only been gone for 4 years.

You've changed my mind. I'm going to vote for Harris. I love paying more for everything and according to you, increased prices just kind of happened and there's nothing she could possibly do about it anyway.

 

[530RL]

Yeah, you're right. The fact that multiple companies are having to lay people off has nothing to do with this administration's economically destructive policies. If anything, it's Trump's fault. After all, he's only been gone for 4 years.

You've changed my mind. I'm going to vote for Harris. I love paying more for everything and according to you, increased prices just kind of happened and there's nothing she could possibly do about it anyway.

I’m not voting for her, but everyone is free to do as they see fit.

 

[was thatguy]

What I have heard 2Chill state is that the prices of goods and services in a Republic with a political system of three equal branches combined with a capitalistic economy, are not set by the President despite some arguing that they are, but are set by market forces of supply and demand.

Leaders in America and even in foreign countries can certainly have some impact on US prices, but for the most part Leaders, like all of us, are subject to the irrefutable laws of supply and demand in a global economy that is inextricably linked.

The lie is not that prices have gone up, they certainly have around the global economy and gone up much worse in some other markets, the lie is that the President of the United States wether it is Joe Biden or Donald Trump is meaningfully responsible for it.

So your time in the puzzle palace seems to have yielded zero results….?

 

[Cray Paper]

The definition of a price going down is deflation. At least that is what they taught me in grade school.

I don't have an all or nothing approach, an all or nothing approach would be for example tariffs on every single imported good at the exact same rate, as opposed to strategic tariffs where America has been treated disproportionately. An all or nothing tariff, as proposed by one of the two potential administrations has historically led to declining economic performance, declining wages and a declining standard of living.

Trump’s Tariff Proposals Would Raise Tariff Rates to Great Depression-Era Levels

Using tariff policy to reallocate investment and jobs is a costly mistake—that’s a history lesson we should not forget.

taxfoundation.org

Further, in general I believe in limited government, as opposed to the current two prospects who both tout that their administrations, that their government, is the only solution and without their being victorious, "America is doomed". Sounds a little hyperbolic to me. Like in here when Biden won and the consensus was that America would not exist in two years. Well, here we are, four years later, much to their chagrin.

In any event, I am data driven as opposed to feelings driven. Other than the rate of inflation, which can be rationally attributed to many different sources versus simply Harris, the economic performance of the last 4 years has been statistically average. I understand you simply do not accept the economic data or believe the only data that is relevant is the rate of inflation or deflation. And as a result, it is all "shit".

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/from-lbj-to-biden:-how-the-economy-performed-under-each-president

Biden Versus Trump’s Economy: How The Candidates Compare On Jobs, Inflation and More | Bankrate

Bankrate looked at a sampling of economic data from Trump and Biden’s time in office to help Americans compare each president’s economic report card.

www.bankrate.com

The Truth Beneath the Economic Misinformation

Yale SOM leadership expert Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and co-author Stephen Henriques write that in the upcoming debate, the Democratic nominee can and should argue that the economy has boomed under the Biden-Harris administration.

insights.som.yale.edu

With respect to our businesses, it has certainly been excellent in both terms of growth in revenue, margin and pre-tax. As a result I am less worried about who wins the election as I understand the buck stops with me and whining about who is or is not President does not absolve me of that responsibility. So when I combine the objective macro economic data with our data, I do not see "shit results". And neither have our partners, lenders and employees. But to your point, how has your business been? How is your net worth compared to four years ago? How is your standard of living compared to 4 years ago? How is the value of your business or the business you work for compared to four years ago? Is it "shit"?

My ballot came yesterday, I filled it out today based upon some of the comments and feedback I got yesterday and today. It is signed and mailed. I get one vote and I used it as I wished. Besides that it is up to me to succeed or fail, regardless of who is elected. And my experience is that all of those who focus on results versus making excuses for whose fault it is, will outperform their peers which is the fundamental goal.

I am a blue collar worker and have been in the carpenters union for 33 years. My life experience is much different than yours it seems, but I am exposed, and have learned to communicate and understand how people like you comprehend communications. and am successful at it. You can wax poetic about your ideologic political position all you want on a website like RDP's, but it just demonstrates how far out of touch you are with real life things that matter to most of the legal US citizens. We are not dumb, doesn't matter what race or origin of nationality. You can site what ever source that spins things towards your wants, but most blue collar hardworking US citizens see through the spin and bullshit. You seem to not give a shit about the future success of the US and are only focused on your immediate needs. I've seen you postings for several years and YOU are what has gone wrong in the US. For you to continue to try to influence people with your BS pretzel logic on this site leads me to believe your are part of the swamp.

Simple question, Do you want what is best for the longevity of the United States of America even if you don't benefit from it?

 

[was thatguy]

I am a blue collar worker and have been in the carpenters union for 33 years. My life experience is much different than yours it seems, but I am exposed, and have learned to communicate and understand how people like you comprehend communications. and am successful at it. You can wax poetic about your ideologic political position all you want on a website like RDP's, but it just demonstrates how far out of touch you are with real life things that matter to most of the legal US citizens. We are not dumb, doesn't matter what race or origin of nationality. You can site what ever source that spins things towards your wants, but most blue collar hardworking US citizens see through the spin and bullshit. You seem to not give a shit about the future success of the US and are only focused on your immediate needs. I've seen you postings for several years and YOU are what has gone wrong in the US. For you to continue to try to influence people with your BS pretzel logic on this site leads me to believe your are part of the swamp.

Simple question, Do you want what is best for the longevity of the United States of America even if you don't benefit from it?

 

[Cray Paper]

I understand your view now more clearly as it affects you personally. Boeing certainly has had a tough time.

I’m sure there are a lot of people who felt like you under Trump and lost their jobs also, just shit. Their views don’t care about macro policies or measurable macro outcomes but personal outcomes.

It would be rational to blame it on Harris, just as those who lost their jobs under Trump, blame Trump. Fair point.

https://www.reuters.com/business/how-offshoring-rolled-along-under-trump-who-vowed-stop-it-2021-01-19/

530, do you truly understand why the Boeing IAM workers are on strike? My brother has worked for Boeing for a long time, not IAM but SPEEA. Same reason every union has struck in our area for the last couple of years, inflation. What has driven up inflation? Here is a short video I posted in another thread in case you didn't see it.

US workers have taken a major haircut in actual wages with consideration to inflation. In Boeings case, dipshits with your mentality of shareholder earnings drive the focus of the company and "risk management" by the dumbass collage educated but don't know what the fuck or how the fuck the company builds the things. When these dipshits control every aspect of the company, the quality and integrity fail, every time. I see you as one of these dipshits that has potentially ruined a historic US manufacturing and engineering company.

 

[530RL]

530, do you truly understand why the Boeing IAM workers are on strike? My brother has worked for Boeing for a long time, not IAM but SPEEA. Same reason every union has struck in our area for the last couple of years, inflation. What has driven up inflation? Here is a short video I posted in another thread in case you didn't see it.

US workers have taken a major haircut in actual wages with consideration to inflation. In Boeings case, dipshits with your mentality of shareholder earnings drive the focus of the company and "risk management" by the dumbass collage educated but don't know what the fuck or how the fuck the company builds the things. When these dipshits control every aspect of the company, the quality and integrity fail, every time. I see you as one of these dipshits that has potentially ruined a historic US manufacturing and engineering company.

We drive enterprise value in our businesses by understanding that there is a shortage of workers willing to work in America and working in a collaborative way to drive value for all stakeholders.

As a former teamster as well as a public company C suite officer, I understand the constructive friction of corporate earnings, worker satisfaction, customer satisfaction and long term shareholder value given my past and current compensation has been derived from delivering results for all those stakeholders.

Boeings problems are not as you insinuate the fault of Harris. It is the fault of a culture in the organization that delivered substandard results compared to their competitors. Not everything can be cured solely by government as you profess.

No matter who is, or was president of the United States, Boeing screwed the pooch on their own.

With respect to Mr, Friedman I concur. Now who is proposing to undertake in the future the exact activities that you and Mr Friedman profess to be the problem? Who in recent history ran the highest four year deficits in United Staes history? Isn’t this the exact point of Mr. Friedman?

You may want to peruse this independent analysis.

The Fiscal Impact of the Harris and Trump Campaign Plans | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Note: This analysis has been updated to incorporate new proposals announced by the candidates since we initially published on October 7.

www.crfb.org

 

[rcmike]

Simple question, Do you want what is best for the longevity of the United States of America even if you don't benefit from it?

Simple answer, no, he doesn't. He is not worried about a legacy. He and the people like him sailed the ship of state into the iceberg, and are currently stealing as much of the silverware as they can before the whole thing sinks. He hopes he will die before the collapse, but I bet he has land in NZ or Singapore or something, just in case.

 

[was thatguy]

Simple answer, no, he doesn't. He is not worried about a legacy. He and the people like him sailed the ship of state into the iceberg, and are currently stealing as much of the silverware as they can before the whole thing sinks. He hopes he will die before the collapse, but I bet he has land in NZ or Singapore or something, just in case.

Marshall islands.

 

[sprintcvx]

She crawled into Nancys vodka bottle again... Never shut this woman up.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844832171141275749

 

[Smitty7]

530's gonna vote for her because she has a good economic plan .

 

[530RL]

Simple answer, no, he doesn't. He is not worried about a legacy. He and the people like him sailed the ship of state into the iceberg, and are currently stealing as much of the silverware as they can before the whole thing sinks. He hopes he will die before the collapse, but I bet he has land in NZ or Singapore or something, just in case.

LOL,

Yep, that‘s me. The all powerful 530. It’s all my fault.

 

[500bbc]

She crawled into Nancys vodka bottle again... Never shut this woman up.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844832171141275749

Quick, get her the nuke codes...

 

[Cray Paper]

We drive enterprise value in our businesses by understanding that there is a shortage of workers willing to work in America and working in a collaborative way to drive value for all stakeholders.

As a former teamster as well as a public company C suite officer, I understand the constructive friction of corporate earnings, worker satisfaction, customer satisfaction and long term shareholder value given my past and current compensation has been derived from delivering results for all those stakeholders.

Boeings problems are not as you insinuate the fault of Harris. It is the fault of a culture in the organization that delivered substandard results compared to their competitors. Not everything can be cured solely by government as you profess.

No matter who is, or was president of the United States, Boeing screwed the pooch on their own.

With respect to Mr, Friedman I concur. Now who is proposing to undertake in the future the exact activities that you and Mr Friedman profess to be the problem? Who in recent history ran the highest four year deficits in United Staes history? Isn’t this the exact point of Mr. Friedman?

You may want to peruse this independent analysis.

The Fiscal Impact of the Harris and Trump Campaign Plans | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Note: This analysis has been updated to incorporate new proposals announced by the candidates since we initially published on October 7.

www.crfb.org

I sense you are not a real person, your responses lack any emotion or glimpses of having a human personality. I have read your arduous response to my direct post to you, as well as all your other posts on this site since you joined. Your word choice is the prime example to me that your are one of the insufferably dumb ass people that think they can push down actual intelligent people with vocabulary alone. Lets take your response and put common sense words to it. I fucking despise people that wordsmith the most direct path to communicating with people. It's is demeaning and exposes said "wordsmith" as an arrogant assholes.

"We drive enterprise value (corporate profit) in our businesses by understanding ( watching 3rd tier financial indicators because you have no fucking idea how to build what your peddling, and following data driven by the fed?) that there is a shortage of workers ( agreed, depending on the work) willing to work in America and working in a collaborative ( illegal aliens provided a job by a company that does not comply with the crushing US EPA and employer standards that your ilk have pushed in to existence. )

As a former teamster ( No fucking way you were a teamster, where and when?, what local?) as well as a public company C suite officer, I understand the constructive friction of corporate earnings, worker satisfaction (? I have never heard this phrase before ..) customer satisfaction and long term shareholder value given my past and current compensation has been derived from delivering results for all those stakeholders.(who are the stakeholders? )

Boeings problems are not as you insinuate the fault of Harris. It is the fault of a culture in the organization that delivered substandard results compared to their competitors. Not everything can be cured solely by government as you profess.( Boeings problem stem from idiots like you, the smarter than everyone else but have no real life fucking experience with engineering and or building real tangible things. who diverted the engineering focus of a world class company with impeccable engineering and manufacturing capabilities to bean counters? Dipshits like you.)

No matter who is, or was president of the United States, Boeing screwed the pooch on their own.( Boeing was taken down by the same elitist as you as well as left leaning democrat senators like Maria Cantwell.. Tell me I am wrong? Do your fucking homework before responding to this. Why dis the FAA allow so many things to get over looked?? Yea, political pressure..)

With respect to Mr, Friedman I concur. Now who is proposing to undertake in the future the exact activities that you and Mr Friedman profess to be the problem? Who in recent history ran the highest four year deficits in United Staes history? Isn’t this the exact point of Mr. Friedman?

You may want to peruse this independent analysis.

 

[530RL]

I sense you are not a real person, your responses lack any emotion or glimpses of having a human personality. I have read your arduous response to my direct post to you, as well as all your other posts on this site since you joined. Your word choice is the prime example to me that your are one of the insufferably dumb ass people that think they can push down actual intelligent people with vocabulary alone. Lets take your response and put common sense words to it. I fucking despise people that wordsmith the most direct path to communicating with people. It's is demeaning and exposes said "wordsmith" as an arrogant assholes.

"We drive enterprise value (corporate profit) in our businesses by understanding ( watching 3rd tier financial indicators because you have no fucking idea how to build what your peddling, and following data driven by the fed?) that there is a shortage of workers ( agreed, depending on the work) willing to work in America and working in a collaborative ( illegal aliens provided a job by a company that does not comply with the crushing US EPA and employer standards that your ilk have pushed in to existence. )

As a former teamster ( No fucking way you were a teamster, where and when?, what local?) as well as a public company C suite officer, I understand the constructive friction of corporate earnings, worker satisfaction (? I have never heard this phrase before ..) customer satisfaction and long term shareholder value given my past and current compensation has been derived from delivering results for all those stakeholders.(who are the stakeholders? )

Boeings problems are not as you insinuate the fault of Harris. It is the fault of a culture in the organization that delivered substandard results compared to their competitors. Not everything can be cured solely by government as you profess.( Boeings problem stem from idiots like you, the smarter than everyone else but have no real life fucking experience with engineering and or building real tangible things. who diverted the engineering focus of a world class company with impeccable engineering and manufacturing capabilities to bean counters? Dipshits like you.)

No matter who is, or was president of the United States, Boeing screwed the pooch on their own.( Boeing was taken down by the same elitist as you as well as left leaning democrat senators like Maria Cantwell.. Tell me I am wrong? Do your fucking homework before responding to this. Why dis the FAA allow so many things to get over looked?? Yea, political pressure..)

With respect to Mr, Friedman I concur. Now who is proposing to undertake in the future the exact activities that you and Mr Friedman profess to be the problem? Who in recent history ran the highest four year deficits in United Staes history? Isn’t this the exact point of Mr. Friedman?

You may want to peruse this independent analysis.

Let me be direct then.

You stated that’s Boeings problem right now is inflation.

You posted your Friedman video in three separate threads explaining the root cause of inflation, specifically deficit spending and those who vote for candidates that propose policies that lead to deficit spending.

I have agreed with Friedmans views as have you.

The candidate you endorse has economic policies enacting the exact thing we agree creates inflation, specifically deficit spending.

How do you address this discrepancy between your stated views of the problem and your proposed candidate?

 

[draggin904]

Let me be direct then.

You stated that’s Boeings problem right now is inflation.

You posted your Friedman video in three separate threads explaining the root cause of inflation, specifically deficit spending and those who vote for candidates that propose policies that lead to deficit spending.

I have agreed with Friedmans views as have you.

The candidate you endorse has economic policies enacting the exact thing we agree creates inflation, specifically deficit spending.

How do you address this discrepancy between your stated views of the problem and your proposed candidate?

Very rarely comment in here sir, but you only care about your self and no one else in this great country. I feel very sorry for your lost soul.

 

[was thatguy]

Cray Papers analysis is spot on.
Both the operational flow of things, and his conclusions concerning the sub human.
But that’s the thing one should remember when trying to categorize the Oracle.
Typical human behavioral shortcomings and vices and even psychosis can’t really be applied, as he is not truly a human soul.
The posting history on this site would suggest that there is no true empathy, no true compassion, no true charitable side, and certainly no true concern about ANY future of this country in anything he says or does.
He only empathizes with an entity that he can use for an argument. (Chill is the latest example)
He only is charitable to things or people that he may benifit from (either financially or politically) in the long run.
His only compassion is for himself.
He’s very quick to point out every flaw in this country, some legit, yet will NEVER use his resources or purchased influence to try to make any corrections. He uses the flaws for profit, and his donations as investments.

Everything he does, everything he says, everything he ever posts is geared towards him and his theatre of financiers profiting, and everything else is merely hurdles to be jumped.
He’s said it over and over. Any lack of total commitment to the bottom line is career suicide in his line of work.
So what can we really expect from him other than what we get?

It’s sort of a waste of true compassion to feel sorry for him.
I mean, you wouldn’t feel sorry for any other inanimate object. It’s like feeling sorry for a wrench or rock or whatever.
It’s a mystery what he is even doing on here. I guess it’s just another possible area for him to attempt to manipulate for his advantage?

 

[530RL]

Very rarely comment in here sir, but you only care about your self and no one else in this great country. I feel very sorry for your lost soul.

What is your basis for that?

The fact that I support conservatives?

The fact that I defend veterans and law enforcement from those in here who repeatedly demean them?

The fact that I want America to compete and succeed and recognize the government is not going to save us?

The fact that I recognize that these runaway deficits are going to saddle americas future generations with unrecoverable debt?

Pleas explain?

 

[Cray Paper]

Let me be direct then.

You stated that’s Boeings problem right now is inflation.

You posted your Friedman video in three separate threads explaining the root cause of inflation, specifically deficit spending and those who vote for candidates that propose policies that lead to deficit spending.

I have agreed with Friedmans views as have you.

The candidate you endorse has economic policies enacting the exact thing we agree creates inflation, specifically deficit spending.

How do you address this discrepancy between your stated views of the problem and your proposed candidate?

Boeings problems are a direct result of the the left leaning policy's of the US government and agencies to force employment opportunity's to be tied to a collage degrees, as well as US policy's put in place in the mid 90's directing the US economy to be based on financial services and forcing offshoring of manufacturing in the US. The leadership of Boeing has gutted almost 100 years of culture that was based around perfecting aircraft engineering and manufacturing, solely for stock holder profits and shoring up stock prices. The out of control government spending causing inflation is the direct reason labor for Boeing is demanding a huge pay increase.

I have lived this and vividly recall reading about this being the focus of the "smarted people in the room" back in the early 90's. I recall reading about the democrats pushing hard left towards socialism in the early 2000's. I was in my early 30's at the time, raising two sons and making my way in my career, but was still paying attention to what was happening in our country. You cannot and will not alter my very observant view of what has been happening to our country by ilk of your kind. I think their is a large percentage of the US population that is of like mind and you POS are going to have to execute the people we will ardently vote for in elections, and trust me, when that happens their will be a civil war in this country again.

The candidate I support isn't beholden to far left socialists, globalist elites and doesn't resort to using the main stream media to snuff out a political opponent. He doesn't need the back side financial windfall the Clintons, Biden's and Obama's have obviously secured after selling our country out for their own personal gains. What is Trump getting out of this shit show he has volunteered for? Getting shot in the head? The swamp using lawfare to try and take everything he has earned?

Since you neglected to answer my direct question to you before, I'll ask it again. Don't say another fucking word to me again until you answer this...

Do you want what is best for the longevity of the United States of America even if you don't benefit from it?

 

[was thatguy]

What is your basis for that?

The fact that I support conservatives?

The fact that I defend veterans and law enforcement from those in here who repeatedly demean them?

The fact that I want America to compete and succeed and recognize the government is not going to save us?

The fact that I recognize that these runaway deficits are going to saddle americas future generations with unrecoverable debt?

Pleas explain?

Who in here demeans veterans?
Your conflating 2 different things.

You don’t support conservatives, you support whomever you can benefit from.
In fact you call any MAGA conservative a Democrat, and will never do anything to benifit the conservatives in AZ politics. You’re too busy being anti trump to help.

You know, recently I confided in a friend that you are actually right in some ways with agendas and misinterpretation of liberal agendas vs conservative agendas by the membership here at times.
Specifically concerning house bills vetoed by your governor concerning online censorship cloaked in protecting minors from indecency.
RDP often leaves me scratching my head with the total lack of consistency of members.
They’ll wave the flag one day, then call for the immediate invocation of sharia law the next day if it suits them.
But you are consistent.
Whatever any member here thinks is wrong, whatever any member here argues is wrong.
I can’t recall you EVER even once agreeing with anyone here other than whatever token lefty you adopt for your pretzel arguments.
Why are you here?

 

[Cray Paper]

What is your basis for that?

The fact that I support conservatives?

The fact that I defend veterans and law enforcement from those in here who repeatedly demean them?

The fact that I want America to compete and succeed and recognize the government is not going to save us?

The fact that I recognize that these runaway deficits are going to saddle americas future generations with unrecoverable debt?

Pleas explain?

Who is the troll using AI to post this crap? AI has a long way to go before humans are not able to sniff this verbal subterfuge out, just like the BS with mainstream media. For the AI bot, you will never learn or know what it is to be a human until you have lived a lifetime as a human.

 

[530RL]

Do you want what is best for the longevity of the United States of America even if you don't benefit from it?

Absolutely,

It is why I go to work every day even though I don’t have to investing in businesses, employing individuals, financing young startups where I think that younger individual can make a difference. I do not benefit from those activities anymore as they will not change my life nor standard of living. They will only make some non-profit have more resources when I die.

It is why I am actively involved in fundraising for political candidates that share my conservative values. It is why I belong to business organizations in the state attempting to make it easier to start and run a business.

But that doesn’t mean I will or am required to compromise my principles nor should I soften up. Nor does it mean I shouldn’t look at each and every issue with a clear mind and objective consistent analysis applied.

Life isn’t fair and life isn’t easy. And those who think anyone will save them will simply fail. And I don’t apologize for directly pointing that out nor am I offended by those who disagree such as yourself.

You didn’t make Boeing fail and neither did I. Boeing is solely responsible for failing. They had the same conditions in America for better or worse as their American competitors. In the case of Airbus, Airbus had much worse conditions manufacturing in countries with work councils and massive government regulation far in excess of anything Boeing has ever experienced. Yet Airbus is beating them in the marketplace despite the political and socialist economic handicaps they must deal with. Boeing’s failure is on Boeing.

You don’t have the answers anymore than I do. We have opinions. We get one vote each. I use it, you use it and besides that we deal with the political and economic landscape we are dealt or we fail. It is that simple.

 

[Cray Paper]

Absolutely,

It is why I go to work every day even though I don’t have to investing in businesses, employing individuals, financing young startups where I think that younger individual can make a difference. I do not benefit from those activities anymore as they will not change my life nor standard of living. They will only make some non-profit have more resources when I die.

It is why I am actively involved in fundraising for political candidates that share my conservative values. It is why I belong to business organizations in the state attempting to make it easier to start and run a business.

But that doesn’t mean I will or am required to compromise my principles nor should I soften up. Nor does it mean I shouldn’t look at each and every issue with a clear mind and objective consistent analysis applied.

Life isn’t fair and life isn’t easy. And those who think anyone will save them will simply fail. And I don’t apologize for directly pointing that out nor am I offended by those who disagree such as yourself.

You didn’t make Boeing fail and neither did I. Boeing is solely responsible for failing. They had the same conditions in America for better or worse as their American competitors. In the case of Airbus, Airbus had much worse conditions manufacturing in countries with work councils and massive government regulation far in excess of anything Boeing has ever experienced. Yet Airbus is beating them in the marketplace despite the political and socialist economic handicaps they must deal with. Boeing’s failure is on Boeing.

You don’t have the answers anymore than I do. We have opinions. We get one vote each. I use it, you use it and besides that we deal with the political and economic landscape we are dealt or we fail. It is that simple.

I do have answers and they are based in real life experiences AI troll. I know what has transpired over the last 50+ years because I have lived it, the internet is half my age and AI only knows what is on the net. To the mental midget that is 530RL, I was going to say I hope you die a painful death, but you are already fulfilling my wishes. Do you ever ask yourself why you expend this much energy on a social media platform only to be continually pummeled by organic human common sense?

 

[Cray Paper]

Man, I have seen this dipshits post for years, but it feels like this latest round is AI driven. Am I crazy??

 

[was thatguy]

Man, I have seen this dipshits post for years, but it feels like this latest round is AI driven. Am I crazy??

It would explain a lot actually.
There is no earthly reason for “him” to be here other than manipulation.

 

[was thatguy]

Absolutely,

It is why I go to work every day even though I don’t have to investing in businesses, employing individuals, financing young startups where I think that younger individual can make a difference. I do not benefit from those activities anymore as they will not change my life nor standard of living. They will only make some non-profit have more resources when I die.

It is why I am actively involved in fundraising for political candidates that share my conservative values. It is why I belong to business organizations in the state attempting to make it easier to start and run a business.

But that doesn’t mean I will or am required to compromise my principles nor should I soften up. Nor does it mean I shouldn’t look at each and every issue with a clear mind and objective consistent analysis applied.

Life isn’t fair and life isn’t easy. And those who think anyone will save them will simply fail. And I don’t apologize for directly pointing that out nor am I offended by those who disagree such as yourself.

You didn’t make Boeing fail and neither did I. Boeing is solely responsible for failing. They had the same conditions in America for better or worse as their American competitors. In the case of Airbus, Airbus had much worse conditions manufacturing in countries with work councils and massive government regulation far in excess of anything Boeing has ever experienced. Yet Airbus is beating them in the marketplace despite the political and socialist economic handicaps they must deal with. Boeing’s failure is on Boeing.

You don’t have the answers anymore than I do. We have opinions. We get one vote each. I use it, you use it and besides that we deal with the political and economic landscape we are dealt or we fail. It is that simple.

Yeah we’ve seen your brand of “conservative” politics for years now.


Question concerning your martyrdom speech:
have you ever made an anonymous donation to anything?

Your sort of more like Soros than a saint.

we remember how you “used” that vote.

 

[Pelon]

A Harris supporter states his case!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;None of Your Business&quot; seemed nice <a href="https://t.co/7Nb5JUZ9RO">pic.twitter.com/7Nb5JUZ9RO</a></p>&mdash; Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) <a href="

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846608025718837254

">October 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[4Waters]

A Harris supported states his case!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;None of Your Business&quot; seemed nice <a href="https://t.co/7Nb5JUZ9RO">pic.twitter.com/7Nb5JUZ9RO</a></p>&mdash; Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) <a href="

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846608025718837254

">October 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Was that 529.5

 

[77charger]

Pretty simple these days its just being the democrat nominee.Just like trump they will pretty much get 46 percent of the vote regardless.

The ones who wouldnt back harris in primary are just that wouldnt back her then.Now that she is the nominee and representing the dems they will now vote for her.

 

[Chili Palmer]

It looks like Kamala is on the outs - Bezos isn’t endorsing her, the Teamsters aren’t endorsing her, the liberal LA Times isn’t endorsing her, the United Auto Workers is endorsing her, but the rank and file are supporting Trump. The police unions and the Border Patrol are supporting Trump. Springsteen is a sellout and all his fans from years gone by are mostly Trump supporters. Do you really think all those people at the arena in Texas are there to support Kamala? Hell no, they’re there to see a free Beyoncé show. Trump can fill 4-5 of those arenas by himself without any guests. Hopefully the writing is on the wall and we’ll be celebrating 4 years of Trump and 8 years of Vance.

 

[Looking Glass]

It looks like Kamala is on the outs - Bezos isn’t endorsing her, the Teamsters aren’t endorsing her, the liberal LA Times isn’t endorsing her, the United Auto Workers is endorsing her, but the rank and file are supporting Trump. The police unions and the Border Patrol are supporting Trump. Springsteen is a sellout and all his fans from years gone by are mostly Trump supporters. Do you really think all those people at the arena in Texas are there to support Kamala? Hell no, they’re there to see a free Beyoncé show. Trump can fill 4-5 of those arenas by himself without any guests. Hopefully the writing is on the wall and we’ll be celebrating 4 years of Trump and 8 years of Vance.

 

[2CHILL]

Republicans/Conservatives endorsing Kamala Harris:

3 Former vice presidents

30 former GOP Members of Congress

12 former GOP White House attorneys

4 former GOP Governors

Countless former GOP officials

Regan and Bush staffers, many trump staffers, and growing everyday.

 

[Wedgy]

Republicans/Conservatives endorsing Kamala Harris:

3 Former vice presidents

30 former GOP Members of Congress

12 former GOP White House attorneys

4 former GOP Governors

Countless former GOP officials

Regan and Bush staffers, many trump staffers, and growing everyday.

Garbage in Garbage out.

 

[Chili Palmer]

Republicans/Conservatives endorsing Kamala Harris:

3 Former vice presidents

30 former GOP Members of Congress

12 former GOP White House attorneys

4 former GOP Governors

Countless former GOP officials

Regan and Bush staffers, many trump staffers, and growing everyday.

It just goes to show how many brain dead RINOs there are in our government - how could someone actually want a complete moron to run this country? She has no record of doing anything positive. She’s never been promoted by merit, only by favors for Willie Brown. She was only chosen as Biden’s VP to promote his DEI agenda - have you looked at his cabinet appointments? Have you seen what he’s allowed our military to become? Take Biden’s incompetence and turn it up to 11, then you will see what a Kamala presidency will get us.

 

[Looking Glass]

Republicans/Conservatives endorsing Kamala Harris:

3 Former vice presidents

30 former GOP Members of Congress

12 former GOP White House attorneys

4 former GOP Governors

Countless former GOP officials

Regan and Bush staffers, many trump staffers, and growing everyday.

"Speaks Volumes"!!

 

[SixD9R]

Republicans/Conservatives endorsing Kamala Harris:

3 Former vice presidents

30 former GOP Members of Congress

12 former GOP White House attorneys

4 former GOP Governors

Countless former GOP officials

Fixed this for you!

 

[Sandlord]

Republicans/Conservatives endorsing Kamala Harris:

3 Former vice presidents

30 former GOP Members of Congress

12 former GOP White House attorneys

4 former GOP Governors

Countless former GOP officials

Regan and Bush staffers, many trump staffers, and growing everyday.

I wouldn’t be bragging about being on the same side as the people that your party called criminals for the past 30 years or so.

 

[2CHILL]

"The idea that the U.S. could fall into a fascist dictatorship might seem extreme, but if you look at history and what’s happening now, the warning signs are there. Fascism doesn’t happen overnight—it’s a slow process that starts with division, fear, and attacks on democracy. When leaders start scapegoating certain groups, undermining democratic institutions, or using fear to grab more power, that’s when you need to pay attention.

Trump’s refusal to accept the results of the 2020 election, spreading lies about voter fraud, and his efforts to overturn legitimate processes are clear examples of this. And January 6th? That was the clearest warning yet that some people are willing to follow a leader down a dangerous path. Fascism works by convincing people that their way of life is under attack, and that only a single, powerful leader can protect them.

Once a fascist government is in place, freedoms disappear fast. You lose your right to speak out, protest, vote—everything gets controlled. The courts get packed with loyalists, the media is silenced, and opposition is crushed. Fear takes over, and it’s not about debate or democracy anymore; it’s about survival. To stop the U.S. from going down that road, we need to protect democracy every step of the way.

That means fighting for voting rights, making sure elections stay fair, holding leaders accountable, and calling out any attempts to undermine the system. History shows that once authoritarianism gets a foothold, it’s almost impossible to reverse, and we can’t afford to let that happen."

 

[2CHILL]

It just goes to show how many brain dead RINOs there are in our government - how could someone actually want a complete moron to run this country? She has no record of doing anything positive. She’s never been promoted by merit, only by favors for Willie Brown. She was only chosen as Biden’s VP to promote his DEI agenda - have you looked at his cabinet appointments? Have you seen what he’s allowed our military to become? Take Biden’s incompetence and turn it up to 11, then you will see what a Kamala presidency will get us.

No record of doing anything positive? Never promoted by merit? you just made all of that shit up.
She graduated from college and law school, became the District Attorney of San Fransico, the Attorney General of California and a US Senator.
DEI, Willie Brown? You mean like trumps father giving him millions of dollars to start with (only to bankrupt several businesses)?

All of the sudden these accomplishments mean nothing?

Just say what you mean, she's not white...

 

[SNiC Jet]

To stop the U.S. from going down that road, we need to protect democracy every step of the way.

Is orchestrating and executing a coup which resulted in canceling/replacing the rightful elected nominee for POTUS a part of the "steps to save democracy" you speak of?

Kamala received ZERO votes from the people........ and you call this exercising "democracy"?

 

[2CHILL]

Is orchestrating and executing a coup which resulted in canceling/replacing the rightful elected nominee for POTUS a part of the "steps to save democracy" you speak of?

Kamala received ZERO votes from the people........ and you call this exercising "democracy"?

Biden decided to drop out after the primary (an unprecedented occurrence). Harris received unanimous support from the states delegates and has raised record amounts of money from the public, showing their support. How you continue to support a man that tried to forcefully stop the certifying of the election and who has been called unfit by the top cabinet members and military is a clear indication that you are in fact, a member of a cult.

Miss me with the bullshit false equivalence...

 

[Activated]

Biden decided to drop out after the primary (an unprecedented occurrence). Harris received unanimous support from the states delegates and has raised record amounts of money from the public, showing their support. How you continue to support a man that tried to forcefully stop the certifying of the election and who has been called unfit by the top cabinet members and military is a clear indication that you are in fact, a member of a cult.

Miss me with the bullshit false equivalence...

TDS on full display. Do you record The View or do you make sure to watch it live every day? Sincere question.

 

[RVR SWPR]

"The idea that the U.S. could fall into a fascist dictatorship might seem extreme, but if you look at history and what’s happening now, the warning signs are there. Fascism doesn’t happen overnight—it’s a slow process that starts with division, fear, and attacks on democracy. When leaders start scapegoating certain groups, undermining democratic institutions, or using fear to grab more power, that’s when you need to pay attention.

Trump’s refusal to accept the results of the 2020 election, spreading lies about voter fraud, and his efforts to overturn legitimate processes are clear examples of this. And January 6th? That was the clearest warning yet that some people are willing to follow a leader down a dangerous path. Fascism works by convincing people that their way of life is under attack, and that only a single, powerful leader can protect them.

Once a fascist government is in place, freedoms disappear fast. You lose your right to speak out, protest, vote—everything gets controlled. The courts get packed with loyalists, the media is silenced, and opposition is crushed. Fear takes over, and it’s not about debate or democracy anymore; it’s about survival. To stop the U.S. from going down that road, we need to protect democracy every step of the way.

That means fighting for voting rights, making sure elections stay fair, holding leaders accountable, and calling out any attempts to undermine the system. History shows that once authoritarianism gets a foothold, it’s almost impossible to reverse, and we can’t afford to let that happen."

^Cut & Paste Expert^