What a nightmare

[BHC Vic]

In this pic. I would cut the pvc going down in ground eliminate the T and re thread the hose bib where the nipple connecting the tee is. If that does not isolate it for now might be a buried line we can not see.

Going to try this. Hopefully I can get the house water back on then I can get the rest figured out [emoji106] thank you guys

 

[dryhoze1]

Cigajerk
Is spot on :thumbsup
I'd follow his leads.

 

[Melloyellovector]

Going to try this. Hopefully I can get the house water back on then I can get the rest figured out [emoji106] thank you guys

It should be a semi easy fix, cig is correct. Metal pipe is your supply. PVC pipe before hose bib out front is supplying sprinklers and fill line of your pool. Your pool fill is manual anyway. You should be able to add valve on PVC pipe out front. This will isolate your outside leak. House water will then be back on. In back yard do you have separate sprinkler valves. If not just find the pipe from side of house going under deck, dig up and cap. Problem solved. Now instead of opening valve manually, throw a hose in pool to fill as needed.

Side note, this has nothing to do with your jets working. Your jets are old and you had old equipment. The rust from old heat exchanger is inside of your jets. Iv explained before to you how to remove orififices and clean. Or you are missing orifices

The mud and crap in your pool now is just from backyard flooding into pool.

Pools do not have anything tied to potable water. There really should be no way for this to mix.
Fill lines and auto fills etc just go from supply to valve, should be anti syphon, to tile line or auto fill. It never touches your circulation system

If you can't figure it out tomorrow or have to work, give me a call or text I can prob send Ruben over he lives close to you. He's the one that came and met to get measurements for me etc

 

[BHC Vic]

It should be a semi easy fix, cig is correct. Metal pipe is your supply. PVC pipe before hose bib out front is supplying sprinklers and fill line of your pool. Your pool fill is manual anyway. You should be able to add valve on PVC pipe out front. This will isolate your outside leak. House water will then be back on. In back yard do you have separate sprinkler valves. If not just find the pipe from side of house going under deck, dig up and cap. Problem solved. Now instead of opening valve manually, throw a hose in pool to fill as needed.

Side note, this has nothing to do with your jets working. Your jets are old and you had old equipment. The rust from old heat exchanger is inside of your jets. Iv explained before to you how to remove orififices and clean. Or you are missing orifices

The mud and crap in your pool now is just from backyard flooding into pool.

Pools do not have anything tied to potable water. There really should be no way for this to mix.
Fill lines and auto fills etc just go from supply to valve, should be anti syphon, to tile line or auto fill. It never touches your circulation system

If you can't figure it out tomorrow or have to work, give me a call or text I can prob send Ruben over he lives close to you. He's the one that came and met to get measurements for me etc

I'll probably just call to have Ruben come maybe he can give me some estimates on some other things we want to do too. When I would turn the water on it would fill the spa the come from under the concrete. When I shut the water off it would syphon out of the spa and back into that dirt. It was weird. I guess the pool and spa finally got so full it had to push it out somewhere else

 

[Melloyellovector]

I'll probably just call to have Ruben come maybe he can give me some estimates on some other things we want to do too. When I would turn the water on it would fill the spa the come from under the concrete. When I shut the water off it would syphon out of the spa and back into that dirt. It was weird. I guess the pool and spa finally got so full it had to push it out somewhere else

If it was coming from under deck, the line between valve and pool was broke long ago. Using it you've prob hallowed out a decent size area under your pool deck. Slowly losing support of pool deck. Likely it finally did a bit of shifting after all the years. The movement prob cracked the pipe on other side of valve. Or gardener hit pipe as it goes under deck with an edger. It should be lower but judging by other stuff there it wouldn't surprise me if it's close to surface

Could even be someone doing jack hammer work in sorounding homes. Could be water company doing work somewhere and closed a large valve to fast creating water hammer in the lines. Either way it's likely either glue failing at a fitting or they used thin wall pipe on a supply ( no Bueno )

I'll pm you Rubens # in case you don't have still

 

[NicPaus]

You eliminate the pvc for now? That way you can go to work shower and not make it such a rush to figure out?

 

[Icky]

Well?

 

[BHC Vic]

I went to in n out and my wife told me to go to sleep I had been up since 4. I'm awake now and just remembered [emoji4] I'm going to eliminate the pvc now and try to get the water on before the kids get up.

 

[TBulger]

Geez Vic, between the water problems, wife injured and so much going on at work, I don't know how you can think straight. It will all come together my friend, just keep the faith.

 

[BHC Vic]

Well?

Well round one was an epic fail. Back to Home Depot I go. Kind of in a hurry now wife needs to wash he bottles so I need to get this done. House is falling apart on me [emoji12]

 

[Waterjunky]

Yup, as others have said start by capping and isolating. Once you have the critical stuff back on you can work on the actual damage over the next few day. I have had to do the same things at my place recently. I have water all over the 1.5 acres, in galvanized installed in the 50's. Many of you can guess how that is these days. I am on the early side of a complete water rebuild for the property. I am actually shopping for a used walk behind trencher..... It is going to be one of those types of projects. Currently about 1/3 of my property is being serviced by a garden hose between two faucets because of a pipe breach under the asphalt courtyard. For the moment, I just capped both ends and diverted around.

Good times!

 

[Bobby V]

Well round one was an epic fail. Back to Home Depot I go. Kind of in a hurry now wife needs to wash he bottles so I need to get this done. House is falling apart on me [emoji12] View attachment 515498

Screw the valve in the end of the coupling and turn the water back on. Worry about the rest later.

 

[BHC Vic]

Screw the valve in the end of the coupling and turn the water back on. Worry about the rest later.

I didn't think about that but that will work for now [emoji106]

 

[Bobby V]

I didn't think about that but that will work for now [emoji106]

Friggen drywaller.

 

[BHC Vic]

Friggen drywaller.

[emoji41]

 

[Bobby V]

View attachment 515510 [emoji41]

That works also.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Sucks man.....Just got done chasing a significant leak that ended up being a slab leak between my main feed and a stupid hose bib in the back yard. Leak is somewhere in my living room but never came up where we could find it.

Got lucky....couple holes in the drywall $500 for a plumber with all the listening shit and a cap and we fixed it.

Homeownership is awesome...lolgrumble:

 

[SoCalDave]

Like others have stated.



Never mind, looks like your on the right track.

 

[Cole Trickle]

words of advise when working with old plumbing....Don't go to hard when tightening and make sure you pay attention to the force you are putting on the pipes...small problem can end up being a big one if you break a copper line.

 

[SoCalDave]

View attachment 515510 [emoji41]

You could have at least got Galvanized...

 

[SoCalDave]

words of advise when working with old plumbing....Don't go to hard when tightening and make sure you pay attention to the force you are putting on the pipes...small problem can end up being a big one if you break a copper line.

x2...old plumbing can turn on you real fast.

 

[BHC Vic]

words of advise when working with old plumbing....Don't go to hard when tightening and make sure you pay attention to the force you are putting on the pipes...small problem can end up being a big one if you break a copper line.

[emoji106] that nipple was really bad but that's what happened. I tried pushing down and then lifting the piece up to fit it, but I was way too slow and the glue started sticking and I tried to muscle it and bam. House 2 Vic 0

 

[Bobby V]

You could have at least got Galvanized...

Galv costs more.

 

[Ziggy]

Good ol' Vic turning an ant hill into a mountain.[emoji4]
All ya needed was a cap on the pvc down pipe under the spiggot. 30 second job.

 

[BHC Vic]

Thank you everyone! Water is back on so no I have some time to mess around and get this figured out. I think myv's guy is going to come by and the pool guy is going to come by to give his two cents. All this summer I've had the pool guy and my pool has been extremely full. Normally I'd have to fill it every week. I figured the pool guy had it that way. It bothered me because it was to the spa level but I never said anything. Yesterday when I called he asked why I always add so much water to which I replied I thought that was you but figured you knew what you are doing. So this leak has been going on for some time. Before the pool guy the pool had a leak at the skimmer. But the pool guy fixed the leak. Then the pool was filled and now finally it's come to this

 

[Bobby V]

Good ol' Vic turning an ant hill into a mountain.[emoji4]
All ya needed was a cap on the pvc down pipe under the spiggot. 30 second job.

We told him that last night. :bash:

 

[Ziggy]

We told him that last night. :bash:

I saw. Glad he's got it now though[emoji41]

 

[BHC Vic]

You could have at least got Galvanized...

I did. I'm going to try to get this put back together now while I'm waiting for the experts

 

[Ziggy]

Thank you everyone! Water is back on so no I have some time to mess around and get this figured out. I think myv's guy is going to come by and the pool guy is going to come by to give his two cents. All this summer I've had the pool guy and my pool has been extremely full. Normally I'd have to fill it every week. I figured the pool guy had it that way. It bothered me because it was to the spa level but I never said anything. Yesterday when I called he asked why I always add so much water to which I replied I thought that was you but figured you knew what you are doing. So this leak has been going on for some time. Before the pool guy the pool had a leak at the skimmer. But the pool guy fixed the leak. Then the pool was filled and now finally it's come to this

Does your pool have an auto fill or do you manually have to add water?
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Is it possible your pool overfilled and flooded the yard? If that's the case the the pool fill valve (either auto or manual) may be your culprit.

 

[BHC Vic]

Does your pool have an auto fill or do you manually have to add water?
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Is it possible your pool overfilled and flooded the yard? If that's the case the the pool fill valve (either auto or manual) may be your culprit.

It's manual. I thought that's where the problem was but when I dug it up that wasn't it. I let the water stay on and the middle of the dirt area started bubbling. I dug that up but nothing. I kept digging to follow the water and finally got to the slab with the spa on the other side the water is coming from under there. This morning there's a little tunnel there I guess I need a camera

 

[BHC Vic]

I'm just happy the water is back on. I'm calling it house 2 Vic/rdp 1 [emoji41]

 

[Ziggy]

It's manual. I thought that's where the problem was but when I dug it up that wasn't it. I let the water stay on and the middle of the dirt area started bubbling. I dug that up but nothing. I kept digging to follow the water and finally got to the slab with the spa on the other side View attachment 515524 the water is coming from under there. This morning there's a little tunnel there I guess I need a camera

If you followed the fill valve backwards then the most likely scenario is replacing that line you bypassed up front back to where the fill valve is. ...unless you get lucky and find the cracked pipe.
Depends on how much concrete you'd need to knock out.
Or run a new pvc pipe on top of slab up against the house so its not an eyesore.
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You will need to reconnect up front again and find where they tied in under ground by the sprinkler valves.

 

[BHC Vic]

If you followed the fill valve backwards then the most likely scenario is replacing that line you bypassed up front back to where the fill valve is. ...unless you get lucky and find the cracked pipe.
Depends on how much concrete you'd need to knock out.
Or run a new pvc pipe on top of slab up against the house so its not an eyesore.
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You will need to reconnect up front again and find where they tied in under ground by the sprinkler valves.

Yea, I wanted to do a pool remodel but my wife didn't want to spend the money. I'm trying to see if this will change her mind. Otherwise I could do pvc against the house or run another line around the side of the house with dirt and go under. Not sure yet. I need to take the suburban to get an oil change and I need to go pick up a prescription for Michelle. Oh and I have a work meeting at luminarias at 4. Not enough time in a day

 

[Ziggy]

Yea, I wanted to do a pool remodel but my wife didn't want to spend the money. I'm trying to see if this will change her mind. Otherwise I could do pvc against the house or run another line around the side of the house with dirt and go under. Not sure yet. I need to take the suburban to get an oil change and I need to go pick up a prescription for Michelle. Oh and I have a work meeting at luminarias at 4. Not enough time in a day

If proximity is closer and more convenient, an easier yet fix would be to put a T and a seperate valve in at your rear hose bib and run an exclusive pvc line to the pool fill valve.....just leave the leaky other line in the ground, find the other end of it near the sprinkler valves and cap the pressure side...and of course reconnect your sprinkler feed.

 

[Joker]

Fill in the pool with concrete.[emoji106]

 

[coolchange]

He would.make a skate park out of it first.

 

[purrfecttremor]

What a mess! Did you get it fixed?

 

[Stainless]

Is the broken pipe under the house?

 

[Melloyellovector]

We stopped by this afternoon. Pipe is sprinkler supply line to back yard. It's broke under deck between lawn and planter, that was tied into for pool fill line. Vic had already semi repaired front supply side.
Either way he's got water in house for now

 

[BHC Vic]

It's under the pool deck. Myv gave me a couple options. I'm going to wait on an estimate from him and my pool guy on a re plaster (pebble tech) and new deck w coping and drains. May go that route. Can't afford the 30k remodel I wanted but hopefully something nice

 

[Cray Paper]

Couple words of advise from a carpenter by trade that has done some plumbing on home projects in the past. When you go to Depot or Lowes to buy the fittings you "think" your going to need, buy everything else around, ask for advise, by that, then everything else around it. Might cost a grand, but you always take the unused stuff back. But cant go back to buy another fitting after they close....

Vic, if you want to know where the leak is try a private utility locator. They can rod and son for about 85 bucks an hour and paint out your lines or video it for a couple hundred an hour to inspect and or find the leak. I wouldn't use a plumbing outfit as they will gash you for the service. Wouldn't take long. You may even know some one that is in the business or if your buddies with a GC they can recommend some one to you that they use. If you were in the PNW I could give you a couple numbers, bet one of RDP's members can as well.

 

[rivermobster]

Am I the only one that doesn't understand why they used plastic on the high pressure side??

If you're going to fix it, please by pass all that plastic with copper!

Super easy to do. Using plastic for sprinklers or low pressure is fine. For supply side pressure, no way.

Sucks this had to happen to you. Hope you get the pool straightened out. 👍

 

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[wishiknew]

Go do side job then come back and pay the plumber problem solved !!!! ( Brought not Built )

 

[wishiknew]

Am I the only one that doesn't understand why they used plastic on the high pressure side??

If you're going to fix it, please by pass all that plastic with copper!

Super easy to do. Using plastic for sprinklers or low pressure is fine. For supply side pressure, no way.

Sucks this had to happen to you. Hope you get the pool straightened out. 

Copper is old school !!! Plastic has taken over !

 

[rrrr]

Hey Vic, I've commented in the past about your pool plumbing...now that I've seen the water service entrance and the sprinkler piping job I'm thinking you have been bent over by a couple of the worst "Craftsmen" I've ever seen.

 

[rivermobster]

Hey Vic, I've commented in the past about your pool plumbing...now that I've seen the water service entrance and the sprinkler piping job I'm thinking you have been bent over by a couple of the worst "Craftsmen" I've ever seen.

Agreed.

Plastic as in Pex pipe maybe, but not PVC!

And do they ever use Pex under ground??

 

[rrrr]

If a job looks like crap you can bet it isn't done right.

 

[NicPaus]

Agreed.

Plastic as in Pex pipe maybe, but not PVC!

And do they ever use Pex under ground??

Some areas allow it but the only way to run it underground is sleeved in ABS or PVC IMO. For main feed like you mentioned all Copper under ground then after sprinkler valve schedule 40 PVC not the 1/16" thick PVC from LOWES or HD. If you want to upgrade over type L copper for supply use K.



sounds like Vic got it figured out I am in Torrance to far but have everything on my rig to fix it just to far. You know Pex is taking over when you Re-Pipe your Plumbers house with it while doing his remodel and addition.

 

[NicPaus]

Hey Vic, I've commented in the past about your pool plumbing...now that I've seen the water service entrance and the sprinkler piping job I'm thinking you have been bent over by a couple of the worst "Craftsmen" I've ever seen.

In his defense I believe that is the way he purchased the home. He knows his trade but not Plumbing not so much but after this he will know a lot more about it.