What’s the story on this Schiada??

[NeedlesRat]

Saw this photo posted on the Schiada FB page. What’s the details? Looks like a terrible crash. Hope everyone is okay.

 

[C-Ya]

Looks like it got in a fight with a Hallett……. and lost!

 

[rivergames]

Saw this photo posted on the Schiada FB page. What’s the details? Looks like a terrible crash. Hope everyone is okay.

He was OK.

Cruising a few weeks ago up by the Parker Dam. Took 3 hops. The 3rd hop he heard a loud noise and was in the water.

Boat was salvaged in 7 pieces.

 

[2Driver]

Looks like the ramp at Winnnetou.

 

[NeedlesRat]

He was OK.

Cruising a few weeks ago up by the Parker Dam. Took 3 hops. The 3rd hop he heard a loud noise and was in the water.

Boat was salvaged in 7 pieces.

Brutal. He had done a great job on that boat.

 

[rivergames]

Brutal. He had done a great job on that boat.

I'm gonna guess there were already delam issues that weren't addressed. With upgrades power, she couldn't hang together

 

[J DUNN]

Problem was he only had a two axle trailer.......

Hope everybody was okay, that would have been a scary way to get in the water.

 

[BingerFang]

What a bummer. Glad he is alright.

 

[Chevy5150]

Was this Brian?

 

[rivergames]

Kyndl's Boat

 

[bonesfab]

WOW. More info please as I have one of those. Glad to hear he was ok.

 

[rivergames]

WOW. More info please as I have one of those. Glad to hear he was ok.

I heard the subfloor was removed up front and some of the glass might have been in question at the front stringers.

I didn't push for answers so that is just another word on the street buzzin around my ears.

I'm just glad he was OK.

 

[ElAzul]

Damn that's brutal

 

[mbrown2]

Wow...that had to be 3 BIG HOPS...this time of year just cannot imagine the river rocking/rolling to tear apart a boat... sux as it looks like a nice boat.

 

[Brian]

Hate to see it but I have to admit, he doesn't dive very cautiously up by the dam. I saw him multiple times splitting boats at high speeds this summer. Not sure if he was trying to show off or what, but not the smartest decisions this past summer. Not saying this had anything to do with what was going on in the past.

 

[Howardflat]

I heard the subfloor was removed up front and some of the glass might have been in question at the front stringers.

I didn't push for answers so that is just another word on the street buzzin around my ears.

I'm just glad he was OK.

This is what i heard too.

 

[RiverDave]

Boat had serious issues with rotten stringers and delam..

Long story short it was restored in terms of gel but none of the other stuff was addressed.. and that’s how it ended.

Kyndl bought the Hallett vector from Larry that he used to campaign in the enduro so he’s already got a new boat.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

The good news is a used and pickled motor might be for sale shortly.

Sad on the Schiada, I hate to see one go down. Glad the driver was ok but seriously, fix the structural shit first and worry about the looks later.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Man, Kyndl has terrible luck with boats. Pretty sure the one he had before this caught on fire.

 

[Backlash]

I'm glad to hear he is OK. Sux for the boat though.

Makes me happy that I am replacing EVERYTHING inside my neverending restoration project. All new wood, and lots of fiberglass!

 

[retaocleg]

black stringer edge shows an issue........ looks like rot, were bolts maybe in rotting stringers area....i'd have to see up close
but still, the way they were laid up, the crash caused, not the other way around, imo..........you think stringers are the core, but it is actually the glass over that gives the strength........wood is not that strong compared to the glass going over, it reinforces it..............many companies use half inch stringers, relying on the glass.......apache went full glass bottoms to reinforce, no balsa.....

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Bummer and glad to hear he was safe, but not unexpected with these old layups. Without knowing the history on these older hauls, it is best to find someone that has a mold and start new. A new layup is much cheaper in the long run and the comfort knowing the structure is solid and if you have a top notch rigger you know the math is correct for setup and the horsepower being applied.

 

[Riverbound]

Yah I was told rotted stringers.

 

[Outdrive1]

The encapsulated stringers were rotted.

 

[rivergames]

Bummer and glad to hear he was safe, but not unexpected with these old layups. Without knowing the history on these older hauls, it is best to find someone that has a mold and start new. A new layup is much cheaper in the long run and the comfort knowing the structure is solid and if you have a top notch rigger you know the math is correct for setup and the horsepower being applied.

It is actually much cheaper to rebuild a Schiada with new stringers, cap the hull, new transom, new bulkheads & regal rather than lay a new hull up.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

It is actually much cheaper to rebuild a Schiada with new stringers, cap the hull, new transom, new bulkheads & regal rather than lay a new hull up.

I did not say it was "cheaper"to start, but it is in the long run when shit like this happens! I have seen many boats with high horsepower come apart even when they were restrung by a pro.

 

[retaocleg]

most thought the stringer was the strength, not realizing over time that wouldnt be the case........older boats would have the stringers wrapped in 3 oz and a cloth....time has told us to do more......nordic not only wraps with the oz requirement, but also puts a 30 oz directional plus the ozs on top of a coosa board stringer that is not wood........it is a foam and fiberglass mixture that doesnt rot, along with a heavy directional that will stand as the structural support on its own............many do this now, but not all

keeping it rigid is more than the wood stingers........the glass makes it rigid, the wood is the form, in our case, the coosa is the form

 

[Outdrive1]

most thought the stringer was the strength, not realizing over time that wouldnt be the case........older boats would have the stringers wrapped in 3 oz and a cloth....time has told us to do more......nordic not only wraps with the oz requirement, but also puts a 30 oz directional on top of a coosa board stringer that is not wood........it is a foam and fiberglass mixture that doesnt rot, along with a heavy directional that will stand as the structural support on its own............many do this now, but not all

That boat was built in the 70’s with mat glass and polyester resin before they had bi-directional glass and vinyl ester resin.

 

[rivergames]

I did not say it was "cheaper"to start, but it is in the long run when shit like this happens! I have seen many boats with high horsepower come apart even when they were restrung by a pro.

Correct. If any kind of power is going into a hull without the glass/wood thoroughly checked, it is destined for failure.

 

[retaocleg]

That boat was built in the 70’s with mat glass and polyester resin before they had bi-directional glass and vinyl ester resin.

matt and cloth, with polyester........pre 90;s, that is everyone
bottoms got some roving, but there wasnt the selection there is now.......you can make a weight or strength desired with all the selections out there now.......the tech now with the weaves and quality you can make things with less weight and stronger layups..........they take less resin to wet out, and that equals weight........

 

[retaocleg]

i will say this........knowing the matt cloth roving layups in the day, im shocked it broke like that, as a standard layup from schiada, i wonder if it wasnt a light layup of the times.......but that is my speculation, i'd have to see in person..................but you dont know the edge till you reach it at the time, hind sight usually tells you, and from the 70's, who knows, gotta see the glass to tell

 

[Orange Juice]

i will say this........knowing the matt cloth roving layups in the day, im shocked it broke like that, as a standard layup from schiada, i wonder if it wasnt a light layup of the times.......but that is my speculation, i'd have to see in person..................but you dont know the edge till you reach it at the time, hind sight usually tells you, and from the 70's, who knows, gotta see the glass to tell

That’s a lot of rot, for a boat stored inside.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Only had two axles on the trailer…..

 

[AZLineman]

Wow...that had to be 3 BIG HOPS...this time of year just cannot imagine the river rocking/rolling to tear apart a boat... sux as it looks like a nice boat.

Delam and a wave tractor

 

[=River Perfection=]

I remember my first flat was a older Mako I had all redone all new glass, kick board, wood ect it was $6500.00 back in 2000. The guy I sold it to it came apart first pass. That shit always scares me.... but honestly mine sit on the trailer most their life so guess it doesn't matter lmao. When I decided to build one from ground up myself I had a new hull layed up, I just wanted that piece of mind. Im glad hes ok, that could have been bad.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

I remember my first flat was a older Mako I had all redone all new glass, kick board, wood ect it was $6500.00 back in 2000. The guy I sold it to it came apart first pass. That shit always scares me.... but honestly mine sit on the trailer most their life so guess it doesn't matter lmao. When I decided to build one from ground up myself I had a new hull layed up, I just wanted that piece of mind. Im glad hes ok, that could have been bad.

A new haul with any respectful horsepower is the only path for a build.

 

[River Runnin]

Never seen a boat Bow out of a race with such vigor!