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I have seen it many times. Some local trainers go to home depot to socialize dogs. I could care less as HD welcomes them. Cashiers even have treats for them.

I mainly shop Lowes. Usually twice a day on average and HD every other day on average. Few Contractors I see all the time with there dogs. They go everywhere with them. I see no problem. These guys are spending big money there and I am sure HD would love there business if Lowes said anything. Dogs are very well behaved and go there daily. Not to be trained. If I brought my dog I guarantee none of the employee would give me shit. I am on first name basis with 90% of them. Home Depot employees give 2 fucks about us Contractors compared to lowes. There happier to see a dog in line than someone spending money. I see those same Cashiers a few times a week and have no clue what there names are and they have no clue what my name is. But a dog that's been there a few times they do.
 

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I donā€™t take my dog anywhere, but all these Karen reactions are funnyā€¦.how many of you guys actually said something when you were presentā€¦rather than behind a keyboard?
I laughed when the one posted ā€œ he said come over here and tell me thatā€
ā€œI was ready to call the copsā€. šŸ˜‚.
Good humor for a Sunday morning
I always do, I am the dog Karen. Lol
Which is funny because I like dogs, and Iā€™ve probably owned or trained more dogs than most so called dog lovers.
And I spend hours and hours reading State and local statutes, because I have the time.
I recite them to the store employees while pointing out the violations being committed. Lol
Now THATS good humor!
No oneā€™s ever got in my face about it.
I donā€™t yell or freak out or insult them. I just start pointing out their inconsideration and actual violations.
Usually they just avoid me and sort of walk the other way.
I donā€™t harass them.
But I do tell the store employees that this or that violation is opening them up to liability.
Especially with state and locally designated dangerous breeds.
Which most people donā€™t even know they own.

Usually they dont have legally defined control of their dog.
This isnā€™t a vague statement based on opinion, it means a certain length leash and a certain distance from others in a public setting OR privately owned store open to the publicā€¦including the outside areas.
These laws are detailed. It isnā€™t open for a lot of leeway.
 

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Jimmy says lighten up, he had to buy a ticket just like you.

And youā€™re better off sitting next to him than some screaming child.

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Funny seeing people hate on dogs regardless of training and behavior. Food being prepped? I under stand that's a no-go.

But my dog is super well behaved and if we go anywhere with people, it's leash and e-collar. She isn't allowed to inconvenience other people with her behavior.

I don't have kids but my dog is better behaved than half of kids under 5 years old. They're welcome everywhere but bars.

It's 100% the shitty owners. "Oh he's never done this" or "Yeah, she's not aggressive at all." Bullshit. Know your dog. Know if their personality gets worse with age.

The reason for stringent no dog rules is because the owners are too damn stupid to be honest with themselves about their shitty dog. We have the rules because of lowest common denominator. Not because "Dogs just shouldn't be here" or "Dogs should be left at home."

And plenty of these dogs have socialization problems because they're always left at home. The reason to bring them out as puppies is to get them used to other people and dogs. Your dog doesn't want to live solely on your shitty Southern California postage stamp property for their whole life.
 

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Just talked with a neighbor at my other property. It was the same pitbull. Few weeks ago I pulled up to the same scene as last year. Blood every where in the driveway. Pit from few blocks away attacked my dogs last year under the gate. This time there was even more blood. Last time it was $1400 at the vet for my Female shepherd. Luckily the pit owner paid. This time my Male wanted revenge. He must of got bit but couldn't find the source as it was the next day. Blood all over the side of my Plumbing van and across the yard.

Well finally talked to a few neighbors. One said he had to jump up on the wall and distract my Male while other pulled the pits tail. My dog wouldn't let go said he could see bone on both legs of the pit. He finally got my dog to let the pit go. And of course all it wanted to do was go back for more. Not sure if I believe the neighbor. But he said another neighbor he didn't recognize walked up and shot the pit. It left a blood trail to a spot where it was a puddle. Another neighbor said a vehicle pulled up and loaded it up and said it was his dog's fault and left his phone number. I didn't bother texting him this time as no vet bill on my end. Just took me a hour to wash the blood down. But it left some major stains next to the stains from last year. Driveway will be demoed so no big deal.
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I'm a huge dog lover but this bring your dog in stores has gotten out of control with the entitled and wanna be Kardashians. Over the weekend I was in Vons and two different bouchee women had their little French bull dogs sitting in the top of the shopping cart. That is BS leave your damn dog at home.

Now the next person is going to use that same cart and place their food where the dogs ass has been sitting. No dog should be allowed in the damn grocery store around food.
 
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I'm a huge dog lover but this bring your dog in stores has control out of control with the entitled and wanna be Kardashians. Over the weekend I was in Vons and two different bouchee women had their little French bull dogs sitting in the top of the shopping cart. That is BS leave your damn dog at home.

Now the next person is going to use that same cart and place their food where the dogs ass has been sitting. No dog should be allowed in the damn grocery store around food.
You don't really place anything in that nasty ass shopping cart baby seat do you? šŸ˜±

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They donā€™t need to.
They are inconsiderate and most likely uninsured and almost certainly ignorant of any state and city statutes concerning animal control, and have no idea of even store policies. Walmart has a sign saying ā€œno dogs in cartsā€, but the inconsiderate assholes simply do not care.
Fido goes in the cart with his hair, nuts and asshole sitting right where the next poor bastards food is goingā€¦šŸ˜”
Or they have them on a longer than legal leash and they are in contact with row after row of consumer goods.
These owners do not see their dog as the health hazard and liability on a leash that it really is.

I have the spray and will use it in a split second, and know that full and all responsibility for the dogs injuries and my injuries, is on the dumb fucker that thought the store, any store, was a good place to bring his animal.
So youā€™re telling me....
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Youā€™re going to go full Karen on James Tiberius Kirk?šŸ˜³
He may be 92 now, but expect an ass kicking of you go all in Karen on him at Loweā€™sšŸ˜‚
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Funny seeing people hate on dogs regardless of training and behavior. Food being prepped? I under stand that's a no-go.

But my dog is super well behaved and if we go anywhere with people, it's leash and e-collar. She isn't allowed to inconvenience other people with her behavior.

I don't have kids but my dog is better behaved than half of kids under 5 years old. They're welcome everywhere but bars.

It's 100% the shitty owners. "Oh he's never done this" or "Yeah, she's not aggressive at all." Bullshit. Know your dog. Know if their personality gets worse with age.

The reason for stringent no dog rules is because the owners are too damn stupid to be honest with themselves about their shitty dog. We have the rules because of lowest common denominator. Not because "Dogs just shouldn't be here" or "Dogs should be left at home."

And plenty of these dogs have socialization problems because they're always left at home. The reason to bring them out as puppies is to get them used to other people and dogs. Your dog doesn't want to live solely on your shitty Southern California postage stamp property for their whole life.
None of that is my problem. All of that is why I donā€™t currently own a dog.
If I wanted to deal with any of that again, then Iā€™d get my own dog.
 

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Funny seeing people hate on dogs regardless of training and behavior. Food being prepped? I under stand that's a no-go.

But my dog is super well behaved and if we go anywhere with people, it's leash and e-collar. She isn't allowed to inconvenience other people with her behavior.

I don't have kids but my dog is better behaved than half of kids under 5 years old. They're welcome everywhere but bars.

It's 100% the shitty owners. "Oh he's never done this" or "Yeah, she's not aggressive at all." Bullshit. Know your dog. Know if their personality gets worse with age.

The reason for stringent no dog rules is because the owners are too damn stupid to be honest with themselves about their shitty dog. We have the rules because of lowest common denominator. Not because "Dogs just shouldn't be here" or "Dogs should be left at home."

And plenty of these dogs have socialization problems because they're always left at home. The reason to bring them out as puppies is to get them used to other people and dogs. Your dog doesn't want to live solely on your shitty Southern California postage stamp property for their whole life.

The "Dogs" don't want to live in their Shitty California postage stamp property for their whole life


AND!!

A Major portion of Society does not want to be forced to "Put Up" with them and all the B.S. that goes along with them. The majority of Businesses are too "Spineless" to take a Stand for fear of losing business, and actually doing what the majority wants.

It is Bad Enough they are in a business where food is displayed and sold, but are they Vaccinated, Licensed, and "Legal" Service Animals?:confused:
 

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Every service animal should have to get a license and I.D. through the state to be presented and swiped upon demand. Problem is, that program will turn into the handicap program where every fruit loop and fat ass gets one.

Half the damn Walmart parking lot is for fuk'n fake handicap people now. Don't even get me started on the chubby chopper use once you get in the damn store...šŸ¤¬
 

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Stick your face in a dogs face, highly likely its going to get bit.
 

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None of that is my problem. All of that is why I donā€™t currently own a dog.
If I wanted to deal with any of that again, then Iā€™d get my own dog.
The "Dogs" don't want to live in their Shitty California postage stamp property for their whole life


AND!!

A Major portion of Society does not want to be forced to "Put Up" with them and all the B.S. that goes along with them. The majority of Businesses are too "Spineless" to take a Stand for fear of losing business, and actually doing what the majority wants.

It is Bad Enough they are in a business where food is displayed and sold, but are they Vaccinated, Licensed, and "Legal" Service Animals?:confused:
Again, I could say the same thing about children.

"None of that is my problem. All of that is why I donā€™t currently own a CHILD.
If I wanted to deal with any of that again, then Iā€™d get my own CHILD."

There are dogs that are better behaved than half of the children under 5.

And yes, a dog can hurt someone while a bad child usually only causes property damage and annoyance.

But the reasonable comparison still stands.

Oh and my dog doesn't shit herself in stores, breweries, etc. šŸ˜
 

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Again, I could say the same thing about children.

"None of that is my problem. All of that is why I donā€™t currently own a CHILD.
If I wanted to deal with any of that again, then Iā€™d get my own CHILD."

There are dogs that are better behaved than half of the children under 5.

And yes, a dog can hurt someone while a bad child usually only causes property damage and annoyance.

But the reasonable comparison still stands.

Oh and my dog doesn't shit herself in stores, breweries, etc. šŸ˜


I can't tell you how many Dogs I have seen Shit and Or Piss in stores and the Owners ignore it. I have never seen a Child Shit on the floor in a Store. Just saying.šŸ˜
 

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I am my dogs therapy human. He is so spoiled he has major separation anxiety. A few on here have met him. He hangs out at the shop all day with us. I take him into the hardware store or napa. He does go to my buddies bar with us, but he is pretty much the mascot there now. I don't take him into the food stores. Hell he used to go to the chiropractor with me. He is 10 times better than most children. We each have our choice. Don't push your disease infested rug rats on me and I won't push my mutt on you. Simple enough.
 

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flame me if you want, but keep your Fkn dog at home the mutt don't have to go everywhere
Last time I went to the Burley Regatta, I left my dogs at home. A gate was left open and all three were hit and killed at the same time a mile from my house. My current 100lb dog goes just about everywhere with me, now. Not going to ever deal with that pain again.
 

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I can't tell you how many Dogs I have seen Shit and Or Piss in stores and the Owners ignore it. I have never seen a Child Shit on the floor in a Store. Just saying.šŸ˜
There was an adult a few years ago that was shittin in the produce aisle at Albertsons.
 

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Last time I went to the Burley Regatta, I left my dogs at home. A gate was left open and all three were hit and killed at the same time a mile from my house. My current 100lb dog goes just about everywhere with me, now. Not going to ever deal with that pain again.
Dude, that is awful.
 

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Again, I could say the same thing about children.

"None of that is my problem. All of that is why I donā€™t currently own a CHILD.
If I wanted to deal with any of that again, then Iā€™d get my own CHILD."

There are dogs that are better behaved than half of the children under 5.

And yes, a dog can hurt someone while a bad child usually only causes property damage and annoyance.

But the reasonable comparison still stands.

Oh and my dog doesn't shit herself in stores, breweries, etc. šŸ˜
There are state and local statutes concerning dog control, children are not dogs.
Those parents whose kids run wild in a public setting are just bad, or at the least, inattentive parents.
Let your dog run free and you are in violation of an entire slew of laws and wide open to anyoneā€™s claim of anguish.

Your points may be valid, but they are fundamentally flawed.
As soon as you compare dogs to children you lose any and all credibility, thatā€™s just the way it is. Tell a judge that your dog behaves better than kids, see what he says.

Iā€™ve trained every dog Iā€™ve owned, just like my dad did with the countless dogs we had growing up and into my adult years.
Iā€™ve had all kinds of muts and breeds. Pits, chow, labs, Australian, etc.
I am not a dog hater.
I saw a woman with a beggar sign at 95 and 40 this morning.
It said ā€œ2 dogs and 2 kidsā€¦please helpā€
Who the fuck lives in a car with 2 dogs? Thatā€™s just plain fucking stupid.
 

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There are state and local statutes concerning dog control, children are not dogs.
Those parents whose kids run wild in a public setting are just bad, or at the least, inattentive parents.
Let your dog run free and you are in violation of an entire slew of laws and wide open to anyoneā€™s claim of anguish.

Your points may be valid, but they are fundamentally flawed.
As soon as you compare dogs to children you lose any and all credibility, thatā€™s just the way it is. Tell a judge that your dog behaves better than kids, see what he says.

Iā€™ve trained every dog Iā€™ve owned, just like my dad did with the countless dogs we had growing up and into my adult years.
Iā€™ve had all kinds of muts and breeds. Pits, chow, labs, Australian, etc.
I am not a dog hater.
I saw a woman with a beggar sign at 95 and 40 this morning.
It said ā€œ2 dogs and 2 kidsā€¦please helpā€
Who the fuck lives in a car with 2 dogs? Thatā€™s just plain fucking stupid.

The last time someone told me their dog was better than most kids I pointed out that my kids donā€™t lick their own genitals and then lick my face.
 

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The last time someone told me their dog was better than most kids I pointed out that my kids donā€™t lick their own genitals and then lick my face.
Tell any parent that has lost a child (šŸ˜°) that your dog is better and see what happens next.
Thereā€™s a lot of unruly kids out there, no arguing that.
But there is no law requiring them to be on a 6ā€™ max leash and x distance from anyone else.
 

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The last time someone told me their dog was better than most kids I pointed out that my kids donā€™t lick their own genitals and then lick my face.
But I bet youā€™ve kissed a date after she gave you a blowjob. šŸ˜¬
 

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The last time someone told me their dog was better than most kids I pointed out that my kids donā€™t lick their own genitals and then lick my face.
There are state and local statutes concerning dog control, children are not dogs.
Those parents whose kids run wild in a public setting are just bad, or at the least, inattentive parents.
Let your dog run free and you are in violation of an entire slew of laws and wide open to anyoneā€™s claim of anguish.

Your points may be valid, but they are fundamentally flawed.
As soon as you compare dogs to children you lose any and all credibility, thatā€™s just the way it is. Tell a judge that your dog behaves better than kids, see what he says.

Iā€™ve trained every dog Iā€™ve owned, just like my dad did with the countless dogs we had growing up and into my adult years.
Iā€™ve had all kinds of muts and breeds. Pits, chow, labs, Australian, etc.
I am not a dog hater.
I saw a woman with a beggar sign at 95 and 40 this morning.
It said ā€œ2 dogs and 2 kidsā€¦please helpā€
Who the fuck lives in a car with 2 dogs? Thatā€™s just plain fucking stupid.

Since when did RDP inmates use laws and judges as the bearing of right and wrong (See threads on guns, taxes, motors, petty theft in CA, etc.)?

Comparing kids and dogs does not lose credibility, as it doesn't have to be a 100% spot on comparison. There are some comparable items between the two. It just offends people who have kids when someone compares a dog to their kid.

No one said dogs were equal or better than kids on the value to parents/society/humanity. It's that there are dogs who behave better than half of kids but the dogs live by "lowest common denominator dog" laws/rules while children are free to be as rowdy as their parents allow.

LOF, their dog has the intelligence to clean their own genitals. Is the argument that your kids are smart enough to realize the necessity of personal hygiene under 5 years old and they're also smart enough to convince you to wash their genitals for them? Then I would agree that your kids under 5 are smart as hell!

Either way I'm fine with the laws as is. Do I always follow them? No. Will I take responsibility if my dog does something? 100%. If my dogs behavior changes will I change my approach? Also yes.

I believe in watching your mutt like you'd watch your child. They are prone to doing something stupid. Be prepared, put them in a cage/pen, or put them on a short leash. That includes the children šŸ˜‚
 

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Since when did RDP inmates use laws and judges as the bearing of right and wrong (See threads on guns, taxes, motors, petty theft in CA, etc.)?

Comparing kids and dogs does not lose credibility, as it doesn't have to be a 100% spot on comparison. There are some comparable items between the two. It just offends people who have kids when someone compares a dog to their kid.

No one said dogs were equal or better than kids on the value to parents/society/humanity. It's that there are dogs who behave better than half of kids but the dogs live by "lowest common denominator dog" laws/rules while children are free to be as rowdy as their parents allow.

LOF, their dog has the intelligence to clean their own genitals. Is the argument that your kids are smart enough to realize the necessity of personal hygiene under 5 years old and they're also smart enough to convince you to wash their genitals for them? Then I would agree that your kids under 5 are smart as hell!

Either way I'm fine with the laws as is. Do I always follow them? No. Will I take responsibility if my dog does something? 100%. If my dogs behavior changes will I change my approach? Also yes.

I believe in watching your mutt like you'd watch your child. They are prone to doing something stupid. Be prepared, put them in a cage/pen, or put them on a short leash. That includes the children šŸ˜‚

Explain the personal hygiene to me of letting your dog lick its butthole and then lick your face. Who is more intelligent than who in that scenario? šŸ˜‚

When is the last time a dog was mauled to death by a child or pack of children?

Laws are different for dogs Vs people because dogs are not people, and people are not dogs.

It does not bother me if you equivocate your dog to a child. That is your life and your perspective. Dog owners love their dogs and they are part of the family. But is the dog going to take care of you when you are old? Will the dogā€™s wages when it is older keep those social security payments and Medicare going for you?šŸ˜
 

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Since when did RDP inmates use laws and judges as the bearing of right and wrong (See threads on guns, taxes, motors, petty theft in CA, etc.)?

Comparing kids and dogs does not lose credibility, as it doesn't have to be a 100% spot on comparison. There are some comparable items between the two. It just offends people who have kids when someone compares a dog to their kid.

No one said dogs were equal or better than kids on the value to parents/society/humanity. It's that there are dogs who behave better than half of kids but the dogs live by "lowest common denominator dog" laws/rules while children are free to be as rowdy as their parents allow.

LOF, their dog has the intelligence to clean their own genitals. Is the argument that your kids are smart enough to realize the necessity of personal hygiene under 5 years old and they're also smart enough to convince you to wash their genitals for them? Then I would agree that your kids under 5 are smart as hell!

Either way I'm fine with the laws as is. Do I always follow them? No. Will I take responsibility if my dog does something? 100%. If my dogs behavior changes will I change my approach? Also yes.

I believe in watching your mutt like you'd watch your child. They are prone to doing something stupid. Be prepared, put them in a cage/pen, or put them on a short leash. That includes the children šŸ˜‚
Okey-dokey
 

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Explain the personal hygiene to me of letting your dog lick its butthole and then lick your face. Who is more intelligent than who in that scenario? šŸ˜‚

When is the last time a dog was mauled to death by a child or pack of children?

Laws are different for dogs Vs people because dogs are not people, and people are not dogs.

It does not bother me if you equivocate your dog to a child. That is your life and your perspective. Dog owners love their dogs and they are part of the family. But is the dog going to take care of you when you are old? Will the dogā€™s wages when it is older keep those social security payments and Medicare going for you?šŸ˜
So if the kids don't take care of you when you're old and they don't contribute to social security and Medicare, they can be treated the same as dogs.

You got me there! I'm on board!

I've mostly stuck to the behavior dogs vs. kids in public. Never said they hold some equal or higher level of importance in society vs. children.
 

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So if the kids don't take care of you when you're old and they don't contribute to social security and Medicare, they can be treated the same as dogs.

You got me there! I'm on board!

I've mostly stuck to the behavior dogs vs. kids in public. Never said they hold some equal or higher level of importance in society vs. children.

Thatā€™s an incredibly insensitive thing to say about people that are incapable of interacting in society.

If you never said that dogs hold an equal higher position in society than kids then why are you arguing that position?
 

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anyone comparing a dog... to a human being / child is kinda šŸ¤Ŗ
 

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Thatā€™s an incredibly insensitive thing to say about people that are incapable of interacting in society.

If you never said that dogs hold an equal higher position in society than kids then why are you arguing that position?

I assumed that it would be understood that taking care of you when you're old (meaning the kids are now adults) was the same timeframe of the whole contributing to society as an adult with social security and medicare payments.

Simply comparing the two out in public (restaurants, stores, bars, etc.). It would be called a specific comparison. Nuanced, if you will.
 

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The last time someone told me their dog was better than most kids I pointed out that my kids donā€™t lick their own genitals and then lick my face.
Only because humans can't lick their own genitals. If we could there would be a whole lot less human interaction period.
 

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We take out ankle bitter to alot of stores. Always leashed and next to us. If its a busy aisle--I pick him up and he sits on my shoulders.
He loves kids but when another child wants to pet him--i ask the parents and let them know that he loves kids--I always hold him. I hold him simply cause he wants to stand or jump up to lick their faces. I wouldn't like another's dog licking my kids face so I don't let it happen either. Plus some kids want to pick him up since he is smaller than a stuffed animal.

Its a hard no at restaurants. Even if they have dog friendly patios. We just dont like that. Someone elese dog or ours--so its a no.

Market is also a hard no. There is no grey area. I hate seeing others dogs in the market.

WalMart is that grey area. They allow dogs. I am always holding him cause its so busy in there. If we go by the food area--I wait at the end of each aisle and never go down the food shelves/coolers.
 

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Whoever it was, it was always a mystery ghost dookie. They returned several times to the scene of the dook and re-deposited. This was before cameras. Possibly more than one person Maybe it was Team Dook.
There is always an "Exception To The Rule":p
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What is comical, is nobody appears to have a clue that by law you can not deny a service animal access. You canā€™t ask for proof that it is a service animal, nor can you ask why they need the service animal. By federal law you can ask one question. ā€œis that a service animal required for a disability. If they say yes, you must let them enter. If it isnā€™t housebroken or is aggressive you can ask it be removed, but that is after the fact. If they lie, the liability is on them. If you refuse it, you will most likely be fined, sued, or both.
 
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