VW may settle, $5k cash paid to owners of TDi models

[pronstar]

As reported in a German newspaper...we'll see what the final settlement is.

 

[Squirtsfar]

It sounds good but real the question is will they pass an emissions test without the cheating software?

If not the cars are worthless....

 

[Willie B]

... My neighbor has one of these deasel Volkswagens he is sharp as they come I don't think he will settle for $5000???... Then again he's letting his attorneys handle it...

 

[pronstar]

It sounds good but real the question is will they pass an emissions test without the cheating software?

If not the cars are worthless....

Supposedly they have a fix, but it needs to be approved by CA/EPA regulators.

A lot of business leaders who are heavily invested in EV's - including Elon Musk - have signed a letter asking that any VW fines be directed toward building EV charging infrastructure and EV product development...what a surprise LOL

IMHO any fine paid to the .gov will go straight to the state/federal general fund.

 

[Willie B]

... I would take one of these cars should they be worthless if I could get it to pass smog once in a clear county where I maintain an address... if I got it to pass once it would never have to be smogged again As long as I remained the owner...

 

[RodnJen]

One my coworkers has an A6 and Q5 both TDI's. It's been really fun bustin his balls about this.

 

[SBMech]

No way this is going to fly. There is a case already against them for false advertising, and I am pretty certain the EPA is going to laugh at this proposal.

The only way they will get out of this is to either fix them (not cost feasable atm) or buy them back (haha costly).

Plus they are looking at a multi billion dollar fine from the EPA.

Dey Screwed.:skull

 

[Yarder]

It sounds good but real the question is will they pass an emissions test without the cheating software?

If not the cars are worthless....

As an owner of one of these cars I really don't want it messed with. Whatever the final fix is will both cut the efficiency and ruin the 'peppy' feeling the car has now making it worthless to me.

$5k, fuck that, buy it back or leave it the hell alone because my resale value is shit now.

 

[Cole Trickle]

One of my clients has a 7 year old one with 100k miles and he is hoping for a much bigger pay day than 5k....lol

The guy is a cheap ass and has had a lawyer since the news hit. He is hoping for a full buy back.

Based on the age and mileage I kind of feel it's like eating 90% of the chimichanga and then asking for the money back guarantee...haha

 

[pronstar]

... I would take one of these cars should they be worthless if I could get it to pass smog once in a clear county where I maintain an address... if I got it to pass once it would never have to be smogged again As long as I remained the owner...

On a federal level, they potentially can refuse to allow you to register the car without documenting the fix.
The EPA is no joke, they have a lot of authority when it comes to things like this.

No way this is going to fly. There is a case already against them for false advertising, and I am pretty certain the EPA is going to laugh at this proposal.

The only way they will get out of this is to either fix them (not cost feasable atm) or buy them back (haha costly).

Plus they are looking at a multi billion dollar fine from the EPA.

Dey Screwed.:skull

The article states $5k cash to owners, PLUS they fix the cars.
They've pushed the deadline for the proposed fix several times, the .gov isn't going to allow this to happen forever...the cars will be fixed or taken off the road.

 

[rivermobster]

As an owner of one of these cars I really don't want it messed with. Whatever the final fix is will both cut the efficiency and ruin the 'peppy' feeling the car has now making it worthless to me.

$5k, fuck that, buy it back or leave it the hell alone because my resale value is shit now.

Just like our diesel trucks, you can get them chipped for even more power and better fuel economy. Fuck the tree huggers and fucktard lawyers!!!

I'll be happy to take the money, let them "fix" it, and THEN go get it chipped and modded.

Best car I've every owned. I'll buy every worthless one out there! :thumbup:

 

[AzGeo]

On a federal level, they potentially can refuse to allow you to register the car without documenting the fix.
The EPA is no joke, they have a lot of authority when it comes to things like this.

The EPA is not to be fucked with period . Ask Obama !

Guys here called me 'crazy' for suggesting the government won't let you drive/register it, without an APPROVED fix .

Where are all those now who said "I'll drive my car anyway", "they can't stop me" ......







The article states $5k cash to owners, PLUS they fix the cars.
They've pushed the deadline for the proposed fix several times, the .gov isn't going to allow this to happen forever...the cars will be fixed or taken off the road.

The above statement is right on, this is 'shit or get off the pot', at it's best world wide level .........

 

[mjc]

Just like our diesel trucks, you can get them chipped for even more power and better fuel economy. Fuck the tree huggers and fucktard lawyers!!!

I'll be happy to take the money, let them "fix" it, and THEN go get it chipped and modded.

Best car I've every owned. I'll buy every worthless one out there! :thumbup:

Going to do the same with mine, just get it done so I can get mine chipped.

 

[pronstar]

The fix would suck if it adds a particulate trap and other and other complex hardware, because you'd then you'd have to take the time to remove it all LOL

 

[Crazyhippy]

Original owner only? Or can I buy one now and get a 5k rebate on a bit?

 

[530RL]

As reported in a German newspaper...we'll see what the final settlement is.

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Another article has plans for a buyback also. Question remains if they can then be fixed and re-sold.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vw-expected-offer-buyback-u-diesel-vehicles-184023437--finance.html

Original owner only? Or can I buy one now and get a 5k rebate on a bit?

Most dealers are sitting on some inventory of "new" never sold cars that have the defeat device. Assuming there is a fix, those might end up getting sold and if they do, I suspect whomever wants to buy them will get "smoking deals".

 

[Yellowboat]

I bet ca adds some additional smog test crap. Checking for chips and tunes. I also bet they do the bar random test thing alot with them.

 

[AzGeo]

VW sold cars with 'smoking deals', and now the world wants them to 'stop smoking' ......... HA HA

The US EPA will never allow VW to just 'throw a heppa filter on the tailpipe' and let them roll .

I'm betting this will get really close to 'waterboarding' VW, before the bureaucrats stop seeking the news cameras and asking for blood ..........

Any government fines or punitive damages should go into the Social Security fund, never the EPA directly . (OK so I'm dreaming)

 

[Constant840]

My commuter is a '11 Jetta TDI. I bought it shortly before diesel gate went public. I have put right around 40kmi on it and I really enjoy the car. A consistent 39.8mpg helps.
My wife would fight tooth and nail for her Q7 TDI, which I have read should be more of a simple fix. If it hurts the 26+mpg it sees when towing the jet bote I wont be happy.

Either way, I'm taking the same view as many. Address the issue, pay me so I can take the vehicle to be tuned.
They did send me a $500 visa and $500 VW card which I activated at a local dealership.

 

[rivermobster]

All the dealerships had to turn their inventory back in. There are no new ones anywhere to be found.

There are some used ones online here and there, but they are few and far between.

Most people won't give them up!

Sucks to read here there are people already lawyer'd up. Every one is suit happy these days. The lawyers are as happy as pigs in shit over this.

God is good, beer is great...

 

[530RL]

All the dealerships had to turn their inventory back in. There are no new ones anywhere to be found.

There are some used ones online here and there, but they are few and far between.

Most people won't give them up!

Sucks to read here there are people already lawyer'd up. Every one is suit happy these days. The lawyers are as happy as pigs in shit over this.

God is good, beer is great...

Not here in phoenix.

They are not eligible to be sold, but sitting at the store as of 1 1/2 weeks ago.

 

[rivermobster]

Not here in phoenix. They are not eligible for sale but sitting at the store.

So you guys got all the cool cars eh? Fuckers! [emoji13]

 

[530RL]

So you guys got all the cool cars eh? Fuckers! [emoji13]

LOL, but if they do get an accepted solution, I suspect they will be a fairly good deal.

Great cars assuming the fix does not screw them up.

 

[gqchris]

I guess I missed the "boat" on these cars? Why are they so damn desirable?

And why in gods earth would I want to drive around in a Jetta? Everytime I see TDI i think of Tom Brown.

So the car is so wanted, but everyone wants to lawyer up and get a buyback? What am I missing. Does everyone want some huge paycheck?

 

[rivermobster]

I guess I missed the "boat" on these cars? Why are they so damn desirable?

And why in gods earth would I want to drive around in a Jetta?[emoji14]Everytime I see TDI i think of Tom Brown.

So the car is so wanted, but everyone wants to lawyer up and get a buyback? What am I missing. Does everyone want some huge paycheck?

50mpg on the highway...

Will smoke the front tires fully loaded....

Comfy. Quiet. Should go 300k, just like most diesel engines.

I'm at 70k with mine and I'm still in love with the car.

Oh and the price of diesel is 2.50 around these parts. Regular is about 3.25.

I have the Sport Wagon. Lots of room. My friend has a Passat TDI. Very nice ride on her car.

And the best part is...

it's Not a clown car! [emoji106] LoL

 

[Yarder]

I guess I missed the "boat" on these cars? Why are they so damn desirable?

And why in gods earth would I want to drive around in a Jetta? Everytime I see TDI i think of Tom Brown.

So the car is so wanted, but everyone wants to lawyer up and get a buyback? What am I missing. Does everyone want some huge paycheck?

Personally I don't want a "paycheck" but I bought the car because of what it is now.

If they install particulate systems, urea systems or detune it in some way it's not the car I bought anymore. I don't want to have to chip it or modify it in any way after they bastardize a fix. If it's not what I bought because they lied on the emissions testing or cheated the testing they should buy it back for a pro rated amount based on it's age and mileage.

The phrase "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind...

 

[AzGeo]

LOL, but if they do get an accepted solution, I suspect they will be a fairly good deal.

Great cars assuming the fix does not screw them up.

the exact 'pollution improvement numbers', VS the change in each vehicle's overall utility and performance .

Will there be an actual 'measurable reduction in expelled pollutants' VS the expected reduction in fuel economy ?

Setting performance problems aside, (poor cold/hot starts, drive ability, economy) just taking actual pollution numbers as fact, will all of this 'circus of deception' end up as a REAL EPA VICTORY ?

If the original performance of the vehicle and it's 'pollution numbers' are not GREATLY over shadowed by the improvements made in the 'fix' for the problem, what has been gained thru any 'heavy handed' EPA actions ?

Or is this just a 'vendetta' for the fact that VW thought they could get away with it ?

 

[rivermobster]

Personally I don't want a "paycheck" but I bought the car because of what it is now.

If they install particulate systems, urea systems or detune it in some way it's not the car I bought anymore. I don't want to have to chip it or modify it in any way after they bastardize a fix. If it's not what I bought because they lied on the emissions testing or cheated the testing they should buy it back for a pro rated amount based on it's age and mileage.

The phrase "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind...

I'll be buying all the worthless ones. Just send it to me. Thanks bro! :thumbup:

 

[Ziggy]

I'd suspect little change after the fix. Bet the biggest emission difference will be at idle and low rpm torque range.

 

[pkbullet]

I could be wrong but I believe the US market only accounts for about 6% of VW's worldwide sales. I wonder what would happen if they just raised there middle finger and left the market and didn't pay the fine. I wouldn't be surprised if there US operation had few assets and sheltered there German corporation.

 

[Yarder]

I could be wrong but I believe the US market only accounts for about 6% of VW's worldwide sales. I wonder what would happen if they just raised there middle finger and left the market and didn't pay the fine. I wouldn't be surprised if there US operation had few assets and sheltered there German corporation.

I don't think that would work out so well for them based on the wide variety of brands that they own. Porsche, Bently, Audi etc.

 

[pkbullet]

I don't think that would work out so well for them based on the wide variety of brands that they own. Porsche, Bently, Audi etc.

Thought those might be separate US corporations sheltering the parent company?

 

[530RL]

I could be wrong but I believe the US market only accounts for about 6% of VW's worldwide sales. I wonder what would happen if they just raised there middle finger and left the market and didn't pay the fine. I wouldn't be surprised if there US operation had few assets and sheltered there German corporation.

The defeat problem is pretty much worldwide. So they are gonna have to engineer a fix anyways.

Why abandon one of the biggest markets when it is not a country specific problem but a multi-market problem?

 

[spectra3279]

As an owner of one of these cars I really don't want it messed with. Whatever the final fix is will both cut the efficiency and ruin the 'peppy' feeling the car has now making it worthless to me.

$5k, fuck that, buy it back or leave it the hell alone because my resale value is shit now.

Gave some real sharp tuner guy copy the software. Then when they fix it have it smoggy then copy the new software and put the old software back on it. Then keep lots of copy of the 2 files. That way you can swap it in and out for smog.

 

[spectra3279]

VW sold cars with 'smoking deals', and now the world wants them to 'stop smoking' ......... HA HA

The US EPA will never allow VW to just 'throw a heppa filter on the tailpipe' and let them roll .

I'm betting this will get really close to 'waterboarding' VW, before the bureaucrats stop seeking the news cameras and asking for blood ..........

Any government fines or punitive damages should go into the Social Security fund, never the EPA directly . (OK so I'm dreaming)

They don't give a shit about environment. They only want control and money. Not necessarily in that order.

 

[spectra3279]

I'm sorry. But if the car is running efficient enough to have an improved fuel milage, then why fuck with it. Other than the gooberment wanting their hand in every bodies wallet

 

[pronstar]

Thought those might be separate US corporations sheltering the parent company?

Same carmaker.
You pull VW and the whole house falls down.

Notice you don't see many (or any) fuel/efficient offerings from their premium brands...

Efficient VW's (and volume Audis) are what allows the company meet CAFE standards while selling thirsty Bentleys, Porsches, Lamborghinis, Bugattis and large low-production Audis.

 

[OCMerrill]

A lot of business leaders who are heavily invested in EV's - including Elon Musk - have signed a letter asking that any VW fines be directed toward building EV charging infrastructure and EV product development...what a surprise LOL

My views of this guy are not positive. :grumble: I would like to see Musk off the tit and make it on his own. What a thought.

Whats really funny here is VW makes such a car.

 

[Yarder]

Gave some real sharp tuner guy copy the software. Then when they fix it have it smoggy then copy the new software and put the old software back on it. Then keep lots of copy of the 2 files. That way you can swap it in and out for smog.

That would be a solution if the fixes were only to be software based but I have a feeling that there will need to be physical / mechanical changes made to make them pass emissions.

Once they put particulate filters or a urea system into the exhaust systems it would become quite a hassle to remove and replace for the emissions testing. :grumble:

 

[spectra3279]

I don't see why. When hooked to the smog machines, it actually did pass. Just when you unhooked it from the machines, it went to efficiency mode.

 

[Yarder]

I don't see why. When hooked to the smog machines, it actually did pass. Just when you unhooked it from the machines, it went to efficiency mode.

I don't know the particulars of what the "cheat mode" did to the tune of the car in order to make it pass but it must be something significant to make it fail so horribly in normal on road operating conditions. They said it was emitting 40x the allowed levels of NOx under normal driving conditions.

I really don't want to lose the ability to go from PHX to Havasu and back on 9 gallons of fuel...

 

[sirbob]

The owners that are expecting to have some sort of a windfall of cash through some class action lawsuit or the ones that hired their own lawyers (even stupider) are greedy people looking for money to drop in their lap.

Do they really think that they will get more back than the cost of the attn? Do they have any idea how much it cost to follow a law suit all the way through against a company like VW?

VW has already given these people $1000.

VW should get a fine. I think 5k for the owners depreciation is a fair deal. Don't let them sell the inventory that is on the lots and move on down the road. All cars on the road are granted grandfather status and can be driven or sold with no limitations.

End of story.

 

[PaPaG]

We have two 2013 TDI's one Jetta and one Passat, both are great cars, Passat has 43k on it and it has averaged 46-50mpg and it rides as smooth as anyone could ask for on long trips and performs great in the city as well, the jetta is smaller and more sportier and handles a bit sharper but I have only driven it under 6k miles because of extra cars. I don't give a crap about the 5K and I will NEVER Lawyer up to get more money from VW, I hate it when people chase big money taking advantage of anyone or any company unless they really wronged them....Would I would take the 5k if they offer it, HELL YES....Would i join a class action suit to go after that or more money NO WAY IN HELL....WHY? because that is not how I was raised. If they wronged me then fine take action but I feel their cheat was justified because our EPA is nothing but a bunch of gov fools and nazi's...I love the great MPG and if anyone thinks the cars are causing way to much pollution then I guess they don't own boats, off roaders, diesels or any modified cars...I am extremely happy with both cars and would buy another 2 with the same bypass software down the road...they are in such demand when I went to the dealer the other day they were clammering that I sell it to them....I said NOT YET

They will never be worthless as some think.....Once sold to the public they will not recall everyone and pull them from the road for good...Either VW will be giving a nice compensation package to the owners and creating a fix (can easily be done just taking time) and moving on or they will be buying back the vehicles and adjusting for mileage.....

 

[Singleton]

The owners that are expecting to have some sort of a windfall of cash through some class action lawsuit or the ones that hired their own lawyers (even stupider) are greedy people looking for money to drop in their lap.

Do they really think that they will get more back than the cost of the attn? Do they have any idea how much it cost to follow a law suit all the way through against a company like VW?

VW has already given these people $1000.

VW should get a fine. I think 5k for the owners depreciation is a fair deal. Don't let them sell the inventory that is on the lots and move on down the road. All cars on the road are granted grandfather status and can be driven or sold with no limitations.

End of story.

I have to agree with this. Current owners should receive something and IMO that is 5-10k and fix the car so it can be registered, driven and resold as needed. If you don't want that money then repurchase the car at FMV.
Those thinking VW will buy the car back for what you purchased it for are dreaming and are part of the problem with this country.

 

[sirbob]

Just saw this ...

 

[OLDRAAT]

They are not touching my Q7 TDI....it works fine as it is.:thumbsup

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[wsuwrhr]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vw-expected-offer-buyback-u-diesel-vehicles-184023437--finance.html

 

[wsuwrhr]

They are not touching my Q7 TDI....it works fine as it is.:thumbsup

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Yep, that will work....Right up until the state wont renew your registration until you have the "repair" completed.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Up to 600K cars now


http://ktla.com/2016/04/21/volkswag...00-vehicle-owners-will-get-buyback-fix-offer/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vw-expected-offer-buyback-u-diesel-vehicles-184023437--finance.html

 

[OLDRAAT]

Brian,

Not living in California, maybe I will have some time before doom and gloom.

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