Ventilator Patient Questions - Stacys Mom

[4Waters]

Believe me when I say the hospitals are doing everything they can to save everyone they can. Covid is a fickle disease, and there is no straight road to recovery for every patient. The hospitals are working in triage mode, and the resources are being directed at the patients with the best shot at recovery. Unfortunately, most patients who are extremely Ill don’t have a great shot at recovery. Hospitals are working with skeleton crews and physicians who have gone without leave since this thing started. They are doing all that they can- and in many cases it’s not enough.

But, like you, I’m deep into the sailor Jerry so I should probably sign off as well. Lol.

I don't believe your first sentence at all.

 

[Bowtiepower00]

I don't believe your first sentence at all.

I can’t speak to every hospital. But I can say for certain that the hospital I work for certainly is. Within the best of our ability.

 

[hallett21]

I don't believe your first sentence at all.

You’d have to define “hospital”. There’s a lot of moving parts. From the board down to the janitor.

 

[Activated]

Believe me when I say the hospitals are doing everything they can to save everyone they can. Covid is a fickle disease, and there is no straight road to recovery for every patient. The hospitals are working in triage mode, and the resources are being directed at the patients with the best shot at recovery. Unfortunately, most patients who are extremely Ill don’t have a great shot at recovery. Hospitals are working with skeleton crews and physicians who have gone without leave since this thing started. They are doing all that they can- and in many cases it’s not enough.

But, like you, I’m deep into the sailor Jerry so I should probably sign off as well. Lol.

So let’s move this conversation to tomorrow. It is nice to have a real conversation with someone on this subject.
The only thought I want to share with you with is why aren’t health care providers treating this early? My daughter, who turned 30 this year, fuck we are old, was told to take NyQuil for her Covid treatment. Just seems odd that people are dying and we are in the worlds worst pandemic and NyQuil is the answer.

 

[Bowtiepower00]

And with that, we are derailing yet another covid thread, and I will bow out. Prayers sent to those involved.

Edit: Feel free to send a PM if you’d like.

 

[4Waters]

I can’t speak to every hospital. But I can say for certain that the hospital I work for certainly is. Within the best of our ability.

If they can't speak up about something as simple as the paper/cloth masks that don't work then they are not doing everything they can do, they give false protection and sick people go out and infect others while wearing a mask that they think works. So no your hospital staff isn't doing everything they can.

 

[4Waters]

You’d have to define “hospital”. There’s a lot of moving parts. From the board down to the janitor.

Yes

 

[HCP3]

Dave, I assume she is at Pomona Valley Hospital? I know my old neighbor at Havasu Landing, Richard Yoakum is the CEO there. Had a 240 Hallett, and a great river guy. Push strings if needed. Also, I'm 10 minutes away in Upland if you need anything at all, and got a spare Tacoma if needed.

RDP comes through once again.

 

[Singleton]

I can’t speak to every hospital. But I can say for certain that the hospital I work for certainly is. Within the best of our ability.

I think a large % are unhappy with the pace of therapeutics. This site has multiple RX’s that seem to e helping, but hospitals and Dr’s are being handicapped and cant use those. Almost 2 years and off-label successes seem to be blocked from being used.

 

[SoCalDave]

Stay on track here you cunts...jeez

 

[4Waters]

Stay on track here you cunts...jeez

Yup, sorry my bad. Just can't stand lies.

 

[Outdrive1]

I don’t believe there is anyway a hospital would prescribe a treatment that isn’t FDA approved, and Ivermectin isn’t approved for covid treatment. I’m not saying it works or doesn’t work. I’d take it if I thought it would help. That being said, the hospital would open itself up to litigation by prescribing it. Maybe I’m wrong,

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

 

[Roosky01]

I don’t believe there is anyway a hospital would prescribe a treatment that isn’t FDA approved, and Ivermectin isn’t approved for covid treatment. I’m not saying it works or doesn’t work. I’d take it if I thought it would help. That being said, the hospital would open itself up to litigation by prescribing it. Maybe I’m wrong,

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

I’m almost to the point (or maybe already am?) that my best option is to call the local vet if I come down with the VID…

 

[Roosky01]

My wife is a RRT NPS , and has talked with Stacy about how the level of care that her mon is receiving and gone over what is to be expected . Stacy also has my wife’s number can call if needed for questions . My wife is involved with COIVD every day and management of ventilators and what the she does on daily basis is nothing beyond high stress and so sometimes walking up 5 miles a 12 hour shift covering the hospital and ER . It’s almost a daily current that she has too cease Ventilation on Covid patients and I can see the mental anguish that she has dealing with for the last two years taking its toll on her . I know in my heart she goes each day and sometimes 5 days in row for 12 or more hours each shift and with all the other healthcare professionals give the best care possible with what have to work with .

I truly feel for the people that give it their heart and soul in these positions. My grandmother was a Nurse for over 40 years and I know how the people that look at it differently than just a job are programmed.

No bullshit, I’d be interested in your wife’s take on what (if anything?) she thinks could be done differently?

 

[Brokeboatin221]

RD-sounds like you already have some RT advice but I am also an RT and work with Covid patients. If you have any questions or need anything feel free to reach out. Praying for your family!

 

[OceansideRide]

That's a great hospital. A vent is NOT a death sentence. After a couple of days of lung rest, RT ( respiratory therapy) will make many attempts to draw her off the vent, to give the lungs a chance to do it on their own. Do not be discouraged if the first few or even many attempts are not successful. They will build up the time, bit by bit ,and eventually her lungs will regain strength. Positive attitudes and patience are key, even though you are terrified and worried and upset. Talk to your mom and encourage her, even though sedated, the words get through. Hospital staff may be tired and seem non responsive, but the truth is, they are doing their jobs and focusing on the patient. Many times that involves not a lot of talking with the family,, because nurses especially, are watching every minute detail of a patients condition and response.They do not want anyone to lose their life. Believe in that, and approach every interaction in that hospital with that attitude and it will help you all get through this. Our best to you all, Johnson family.

 

[4Waters]

So you know what a RRT is involved in on daily basis , is not like nursing which cover a floor with x amount of patients as a RRT you have responsibility of couple areas in the hospital so you on the move all the time . Plus with my wife being a NPS has to respond to high-risk deliveries too. , plus doing breathing treatments, blood gases and managing ventilators, and responding Cord blues in the hospital .

Yeah, never quite understood that, seems that if things go to shit then someone doesn't get the treatment they should because the hospital is running a "skeleton crew" (lack of a better term for your wife's position) always felt that was asking for trouble. Your wife's position is non stop and high risk for on the job injuries.

 

[78Southwind]

I don’t believe there is anyway a hospital would prescribe a treatment that isn’t FDA approved, and Ivermectin isn’t approved for covid treatment. I’m not saying it works or doesn’t work. I’d take it if I thought it would help. That being said, the hospital would open itself up to litigation by prescribing it. Maybe I’m wrong,

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

I am pretty sure off-label is used all the time...

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/10-surprising-off-label-uses-for-prescription-medications

 

[hallett21]

So you know what a RRT is involved in on daily basis , is not like nursing which cover a floor with x amount of patients as a RRT you have responsibility of couple areas in the hospital so you on the move all the time . Plus with my wife being a NPS has to respond to high-risk deliveries too. , plus doing breathing treatments, blood gases and managing ventilators, and responding Cord blues in the hospital .

I think he was just trying to give RD another person to call.

I think those with medical professional credentials or spouses with, need to take a step back. Emotions, feelings and responses from anyone can spark combative remarks.

 

[RVR SWPR]

And with that, we are derailing yet another covid thread, and I will bow out. Prayers sent to those involved.

Edit: Feel free to send a PM if you’d like.

Thanks Bowtiepower00.

 

[Brokeboatin221]

I do everything as well, I do not have my NPS because I don’t wish to work with Neonates, however I might be doing so next month in a new endeavor. What we do is a specialty and we’re a strange breed. Kind of hard to tell people I auction mucus out of lungs all day for a living . I am also an RRT and have everything your wife does except an NPS which I might obtain soon. @ yard dog pm me your location and info I need to renew my pals. Thank you

 

[ChumpChange]

Bonelli bluffs I got the last spot this am

Well she’s at the best hospital in the area. That’s where my mom was at after talking to a client who is a CMO of a large medical organization.

I’m just at those hills to the north if you if you need anything. About two miles.

 

[CLdrinker]

And with that, we are derailing yet another covid thread, and I will bow out. Prayers sent to those involved.

Edit: Feel free to send a PM if you’d like.

Some of us appreciate your boots on the grounds experience and insight you provide.

Thank you.

 

[HNL2LHC]

So sorry to hear of the progression. Best to you and the family in the journey. Sounds like she is up for a fight to kick some Covid ass. I hope that you are able to push the doctors in the direction that the family wants.

 

[Havasu Surfer]

Prayers and positive thoughts to your MIL and strength to support her. Will miss seeing you guys this New Years.

 

[24 Sleekenforcer]

Prayers for Stacy’s mom on a speedy recovery

 

[RiverDave]

The Nurses have absolutely no say in what gets done on a unit with regard to treatment guidelines, so keep that in mind when you interact with them. With regard to COVID treatment, that is going to be dictated by 1: the pulmonologists/ intensivists, and 2: the medical director of the hospital and hospital system. You can argue with the Nurses all that you want. They are there to carry out orders, not decide what those orders are. The Nurses can advocate for their patient and your family for things like visitation in some cases, but they have absolutely no say in the treatment protocol.

Believe me when I say the hospitals are doing everything they can to save everyone they can. Covid is a fickle disease, and there is no straight road to recovery for every patient. The hospitals are working in triage mode, and the resources are being directed at the patients with the best shot at recovery. Unfortunately, most patients who are extremely Ill don’t have a great shot at recovery. Hospitals are working with skeleton crews and physicians who have gone without leave since this thing started. They are doing all that they can- and in many cases it’s not enough.

But, like you, I’m deep into the sailor Jerry so I should probably sign off as well. Lol.

@Bowtiepower00 not being argumentative or negative in anyway, but in the first post you said they won’t vary off a covid protocol, abd in the second post you said there is no straight line to recovery?

By the second post I would take from it, that the situation is fluid and there couldn’t be a hardline protocol?

With regard to malpractice suits etc.. I told Stacy a couple days ago to present to whomever is in charge that she would sign a release of liability waiver if they would reintroduce ivermectin into her treatment.

They ended up giving her mom some other anti inflammatory that works with remdeservere (sp?)

Stacy read online some positive results of the two working together so that’s the path it’s on currently.

From my perspective (not a doctor obviously). She was at home on ivermectin and an oxygen generator and was doing ok. At some point she stood up and passed out, which Is when the ambulance came and she went to the hospital.

Now the ivermectin isn’t part of the equation. She gets to the hospital with better breathing treatments and numbers go up. Two three days later as the drug is leaving her system the numbers plummet and now it’s ventilator time.

Now I get it.. if your a doctor and you don’t think something works you don’t want to do it. I have personally seen the results. The doc told my wife 0% chance of survival on a bipap a few days ago which introduced the ventilator deal.. then he tells my wife 1 or 2-100 on the vent.

If those are the odds and someone is willing to sign a release of liability what difference does it make?

It pisses me off that I supposedly live in a “free” country, but can’t get something that “I believe” works and have witnessed work many many times now. Yet I can go across the border to a non free country buy it over the counter and have it in minutes. Hell there are a lot of entire countries handing out covid kits and they put that same drug in it. Politics has infected our medical system, that became apparent when my wife reported to me that someone over there said “I won’t risk my medical license by prescribing that.”

We are living in a different time right now, where people that practice medicine are being bound by people that don’t.

At this point I don’t know if it would help or not, but the fact the option isn’t there because of politics is disheartening.

All that can be done bow is pray abd monitor and hopefully stay engaged to ensure she gets the best care possible.

The only saving grace here is it’s a great hospital, and we aren’t in Havasu.

 

[rivermobster]

@Bowtiepower00 not being argumentative or negative in anyway, but in the first post you said they won’t vary off a covid protocol, abd in the second post you said there is no straight line to recovery?

By the second post I would take from it, that the situation is fluid and there couldn’t be a hardline protocol?

With regard to malpractice suits etc.. I told Stacy a couple days ago to present to whomever is in charge that she would sign a release of liability waiver if they would reintroduce ivermectin into her treatment.

They ended up giving her mom some other anti inflammatory that works with remdeservere (sp?)

Stacy read online some positive results of the two working together so that’s the path it’s on currently.

From my perspective (not a doctor obviously). She was at home on ivermectin and an oxygen generator and was doing ok. At some point she stood up and passed out, which Is when the ambulance came and she went to the hospital.

Now the ivermectin isn’t part of the equation. She gets to the hospital with better breathing treatments and numbers go up. Two three days later as the drug is leaving her system the numbers plummet and now it’s ventilator time.

Now I get it.. if your a doctor and you don’t think something works you don’t want to do it. I have personally seen the results. The doc told my wife 0% chance of survival on a bipap a few days ago which introduced the ventilator deal.. then he tells my wife 1 or 2-100 on the vent.

If those are the odds and someone is willing to sign a release of liability what difference does it make?

It pisses me off that I supposedly live in a “free” country, but can’t get something that “I believe” works and have witnessed work many many times now. Yet I can go across the border to a non free country buy it over the counter and have it in minutes. Hell there are a lot of entire countries handing out covid kits and they put that same drug in it. Politics has infected our medical system, that became apparent when my wife reported to me that someone over there said “I won’t risk my medical license by prescribing that.”

We are living in a different time right now, where people that practice medicine are being bound by people that don’t.

At this point I don’t know if it would help or not, but the fact the option isn’t there because of politics is disheartening.

All that can be done bow is pray abd monitor and hopefully stay engaged to ensure she gets the best care possible.

The only saving grace here is it’s a great hospital, and we aren’t in Havasu.

Best of luck. Call me if you need anything.

 

[MohavValley]

Stay away from Remdesivir (run death is near), it has a 35% kidney (renal failure rate). When they stack it with Vankomicin (5% renal failure rate), and one other med ( can't remember the name) with a high renal failure rate, and then they "push fluids" saline, banna bags, the Kidneys stop working, can't pull liquids from the blood, you get adema (swelling) and the patient basically drowns from pulmanary adema (fluid on the lungs).

WHO/NIN did a trial in Africa on Remdesivir and after 6 months it had to be called off because 52% of the participants died mostly related to renal failure.

COVID works by stripping the Fe (Iron) out of your blood and when the blood goes through the avli in the lungs the Iron goes through an electrically stimulated state change where it becomes polar covalent and it Oxygen is them attracted to it. With less iron in the blood it's not picking up as much Oxygen as it can't attract the O2 when exposed to it in the Avli. So the mechanics and the plumbing are working it's just not picking up any O2 when it goes through the avli, and that's why O2 sat keeps dropping. Pumping up the pressure on the vent won't help but it can cause lung tissue damage. It's like over inflating a tire.

Kill the virus, keep the systems functioning, keep the swelling/ fluids on the lungs down.

HCQ, Zinc, (Zalenko method), Ivermectin, and I've heard from 3 people first hand Monoclonal Antibodies work good.

Good luck

 

[stephenkatsea]

Thanks for your report. Our thoughts and prayers remain with Stacy's mom and your family.

 

[stephenkatsea]

I’m not for or against any particular COVID med or treatment. We know President Trump recovered quickly from his bout with COVID. Here’s a link to the treatment(s) he received.

Donald Trump's COVID-19 treatment is similar to the average American hospitalized with coronavirus. Only faster.

President Trump received mostly the same treatment as anyone would get for COVID-19, except for one experimental drug and the speed of his care.

amp.usatoday.com

 

[Racey]

I don’t believe there is anyway a hospital would prescribe a treatment that isn’t FDA approved, and Ivermectin isn’t approved for covid treatment. I’m not saying it works or doesn’t work. I’d take it if I thought it would help. That being said, the hospital would open itself up to litigation by prescribing it. Maybe I’m wrong,

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

Doctors have prescribed off label all of the time for all kinds of illness. It's how many drugs end up being discovered and sticking around. "We started to notice that people taking 'x' also had a benefit with disconnected condition 'y'", or "we know that this illness has certain features/processes, and we know that this other drug has shown to inhibit those processes in another illness"

All of a sudden with Covid doing off label prescription has become taboo....

The FDA hasn't approved anything for Covid other than emergency use authorizations for the Vaccines, Monoclonal Antibodies, and Remdisivir (which has show to cause acute renal failure in a statistically significant portion of recipients). That's it, vaccines and 2 treatments, one of which is rarely used because of kidney problems associated with it.

They have also offered almost zero directives on anything as early treatment, outpatient, etc other than "get some rest, go to the emergency room if it gets bad"

So when doctors actually try to "practice medicine" and prescribe things they are vilified. It's disgusting.

 

[FreeBird236]

I don’t believe there is anyway a hospital would prescribe a treatment that isn’t FDA approved, and Ivermectin isn’t approved for covid treatment. I’m not saying it works or doesn’t work. I’d take it if I thought it would help. That being said, the hospital would open itself up to litigation by prescribing it. Maybe I’m wrong,

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

The text doesn't really live up to the headlines if you actually read it. The benefits of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are far greater than just some anecdotal evidence at this point in time, but has been suppressed for reasons that aren't totally clear, but that's another debate. Many highly regarded specialists are using both in private practices with phenomenal results.

 

[Outdrive1]

The text doesn't really live up to the headlines if you actually read it. The benefits of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are far greater than just some anecdotal evidence at this point in time, but has been suppressed for reasons that aren't totally clear, but that's another debate. Many highly regarded specialists are using both in private practices with phenomenal results.

I’m not disagreeing. Just giving an idea of why it’s not prescribed.

 

[FreeBird236]

I’m not disagreeing. Just giving an idea of why it’s not prescribed.

I wasn't really disagreeing with you either, just that the article itself is rather misleading.

 

[wzuber]

Stay away from Remdesivir (run death is near), it has a 35% kidney (renal failure rate). When they stack it with Vankomicin (5% renal failure rate), and one other med ( can't remember the name) with a high renal failure rate, and then they "push fluids" salene, banna bags, the Kidneys stop working, can't pull liquids from the blood, you get adema (swelling) and the patient basically drowns from pulmanary adema (fluid on the lungs).

WHO/NIN did a trial in Africa on Remdesivir and after 6 months it had to be called off because 52% of the participants died mostly related to renal failure.

COVID works by stripping the Fe (Iron) out of your blood and when the blood goes through the avli in the lungs the Iron goes through an electrically stimulated state change where it becomes polar covalent and it Oxygen is attracted to it. With less iron in the blood it's not picking up as much Oxygen as it can't attract the O2 when exposed to it in the Avli. So the mechanics and the plumbing are working it's just not picking up any O2 when it goes through the avli, and that's why O2 sat keeps dropping. Pumping up the pressure on the vent won't help but it can cause lung tissue damage. It's like over inflating a tire.

Kill the virus, keep the systems functioning, keep the swelling/ fluids on the lungs down.

HCQ, Zinc, (Zalenko method), Ivermectin, and I've heard from 3 people first hand Monoclonal Antibodies work good.

Good luck

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AS WAS STATED ABOVE THE PUSH OF FLUIDS, RESM. AND LAYING ON THEIR BACK CREATE FLUID FILLED LUNGS AND THE PATIENT DROWNS IN THEIR OWN FLUID FILLED LUNGS...
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Good luck to Stacy's mom and all you having to go thru this fight.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Thinking about you guys, Stacy's Mom, Stacy, your family and you. The RDP thoughts and prayers have not changed.

 

[RVR SWPR]

My mom has agreed to go on a ventilator. Please tell me someone somewhere has a positive outcome from this action. What do I need to request? What do I need to know? What do I need to demand? This is the most terrifying thing I’ve ever endured.
I copied this from her fb. If anyone has any information that you think could help we would surely appreciate it.
RD

Well,many of us have watched the journey of you & Stacy for many years now. Also, the journey of many of your friends in your generation. Not going to bother posting names but one hell of alotta successful businesses in LHC have begun and prospered in the last 15 years among all you guys that grew up raising hell on Parker Strip from the time you learned to walk.
What I’m getting at here,both you and Stacy line up in the ”Type A” column. Been mentioned the hospital mother in excellent hospital,possibly the best. Please make sure you have a better plan available before walking out of that hospital. Your experiencing the real deal right now,not some thread on your web site. Doctors know when they are among families that will go all out for their Loved ones.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Pretty rare for me to wake up worried for someone else's family. The last two years have taught us a lot, and raised more questions. A new day can bring both promise and worries. I wish your family the best RD. These have been some trying times, and none of us have been immune to them.

 

[Singleton]

Posted on Stacy’s FB page.

This morning at 2:08am my Mom took the stairway to Heaven. Thank you all for the love, support and prayers during this last month. We all have another Angel watching over us. My heart is shattered so please bare with me during this time.

Thoughts and prayers are with the family.

 

[sprintcvx]

So sorry to hear this.. Rest in Peace.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Damn, may she Rest In Peace. My dad passed on New Years morning 11 years ago, never been a New Year’s Eve Party person since. RIP

 

[JFMFG]

May she Rest In Peace. Thoughts and prayers to your family.

 

[Gelcoater]

I’m so very sorry for your loss Stacy and Dave.

 

[just_floatin]

Prayers to your families Stacy and Dave. May she Rest In Peace.

 

[havasujeeper]

Dammit. May she rest in peace.

 

[Outdrive1]

Not what I wanted to wake up to. Kathy was always good to me, she will be missed. My heart breaks for you and your family Stacy. So sorry.

 

[lenmann]

Very sad new, Godspeed to Stacy's mom.

Hoping the Johnson family can find a little peace and comfort in this dark hour.

 

[Riverbound]

Damn. So sorry to hear about this. My thoughts and prayers are with you guys through this tough time.

 

[4Waters]

So sorry Johnson family, not what any of us wanted to hear