USC Student Kills Homeless Man - Claims Self Defense

[DWC]

I always have two knives on me, one multi-tool, one flip. The only way I'd intend them as weapons would be the same situations where I'd draw. Those situations would involve harm to my family. I won't be the armed aggressor at this point in life, but I won't be a victim of one either.

I don't know anything about frats or college life, but I'm thinking a young SC student would also have been immediately sobriety tested as well. In the 90s, I knew some guys that sold large quantities of weed at the dorms. Worthwhile to make the drive into town every Thursday night.

How far was your drive.

 

[RiverDave]

Wasn’t it @RiverDave that said not too long ago the police aren’t really there to protect us. They are there to protect the bad guys From Us.

Yep..

I also say - got a problem? Call the cops, now you have two problems!

 

[monkeyswrench]

How far was your drive.

May or may not have been 25 miles or so...

 

[Willie B]

May or may not have been 25 miles or so...

.,,Lol… I know nothing about weed sales in my college years…

 

[monkeyswrench]

.,,Lol… I know nothing about weed sales in my college years…

Well, the kids there had money. I had a friend that always had stuff, but was not very motivated to broaden his market. I told him to hop in my car, and we went for a drive. I was simply a logistics provider. I'd flirt with girls down by the tables in the courtyard area, and he'd make deliveries in an apartment building thing. We were the right age, and pretty clean cut, so no one ever bothered us and we didn't scare them. It was DoorDash in 1995

They liked their stuff Thursday's, I guess most didn't have Friday classes. That worked out great, because I would work Friday nights and sometimes Saturday's or be at the street races. Never got into smoking the stuff, but was around a lot of it.

 

[rrrr]

Keyboard warriors take note.

If the perp is not inside your house actually threatening you and I'll add to that carrying a lethal weapon it's your fault if you lay a hand on them or empty a magazine into him.

Add to that the new California law where they want every firearm in a state approved safe it seems they want the criminals safe.

Remember anything worth less than $1,000 isn't a crime anymore.

I know this is useless whatsboutism but here we go.

Over the last 20 years I seriously considered getting a concealed handgun permit, but couldn't convince myself of the need. Unlike the abundance of many idiots carrying a gun, I thought about the firearm training my Dad provided beginning at age six, the possibility of anger affected my judgement, and the very real chance I could be a loser in a confrontation. The ramifications of firing a weapon at another person, and perhaps fatally, require serious inflection and self examination.

The increasing threat from random crime finally tipped the balance. But every time I leave the house, I think about the responsibilities and possible consequences that are attached to this decision. Texas laws favor the person deciding to use a gun in self defense or protecting one's home or property. But that damn sure means I can't shoot someone unless there are clear and convincing reasons.

I believe the majority, and that's probably 80%, of those carrying a handgun have no fucking business doing so. They are a danger that doesn't advertise itself. I examine my surroundings and other people much more critically now.

 

[rrrr]

It's just a little cumbersome...
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Wife and daughter carry small mace setups. Really just enough to get clear, which is all you really should need.

I guess to some here I'm a wuss. I won't take a life over a car, or really much else. Stuff's just stuff. Watching someone foam and aspirate blood in my face is rarely on my list of things to do. Pushing a knife into someone's chest cavity is pretty up close and personal.

Very few people know that a mace is a actually a handheld weapon developed thousands of years ago.

The mace was developed during the Upper Paleolithic from the simple club, by adding sharp spikes of either flint or obsidian.

In Europe, an elaborately carved ceremonial flint mace head was one of the artifacts discovered in excavations of the Neolithic mound of Knowth in Ireland, and Bronze Age archaeology cites numerous finds of perforated mace heads.

In ancient Ukraine, stone mace heads were first used nearly eight millennia ago. The others known were disc maces with oddly formed stones mounted perpendicularly to their handle. The Narmer Palette shows a king swinging a mace. See the articles on the Narmer Macehead and the Scorpion Macehead for examples of decorated maces inscribed with the names of kings.

Mace (bludgeon) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[was thatguy]

Yes. But your homeowners insurance should cover it.

Ummm….check the dangerous breed stipulations in your fine print.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Very few people know that a mace is a actually a handheld weapon developed thousands of years ago.

The mace was developed during the Upper Paleolithic from the simple club, by adding sharp spikes of either flint or obsidian.

In Europe, an elaborately carved ceremonial flint mace head was one of the artifacts discovered in excavations of the Neolithic mound of Knowth in Ireland, and Bronze Age archaeology cites numerous finds of perforated mace heads.

In ancient Ukraine, stone mace heads were first used nearly eight millennia ago. The others known were disc maces with oddly formed stones mounted perpendicularly to their handle. The Narmer Palette shows a king swinging a mace. See the articles on the Narmer Macehead and the Scorpion Macehead for examples of decorated maces inscribed with the names of kings.

Mace (bludgeon) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Most people picture the medieval, more ornate and "pretty" even. The concept of a club evolved into the earliest "composite" manufacturing. Wooden handle with a heavier mass attached with leather or such.

 

[CarolynandBob]

...I also carry Narcan

Why?

 

[Backlash]

Why?

The ONLY thing I can think of, is in case of an accidental exposure of a loved one. That's it.

 

[whiteworks]

My buddys dad who is now deceased was out in LA about 20 years ago picking up some material for his business. Homeless crackhead dude try’s to rob him, he pulls out his gun, shoots the fucker dead on the spot and then left. End of story.

 

[C-2]

Why?

For the kids on the trains. I also make my 21-year old daughter carry it. Dirtbags are on their own, though.

Union Station is always a lively place, you see all kinds and all types.

 

[Orange Juice]

I always have two knives on me, one multi-tool, one flip. The only way I'd intend them as weapons would be the same situations where I'd draw. Those situations would involve harm to my family. I won't be the armed aggressor at this point in life, but I won't be a victim of one either.

I don't know anything about frats or college life, but I'm thinking a young SC student would also have been immediately sobriety tested as well. In the 90s, I knew some guys that sold large quantities of weed at the dorms. Worthwhile to make the drive into town every Thursday night.

I’m sure the knife wounds and injuries to both parties would be telling.

 

[C-2]

In the same area a few months back, a disgruntled ex-USC student attacked another USC student on the Metro, a fight ensued, and the disgruntled student was stabbed to death. The other student was arrested.

The dead kid's mother was all over the media claiming her dead son was attacked and stabbed to death on the Metro.

Nope, self-defense, they released the USC student and he was never charged. They had camera coverage of the entire event.

 

[TonyFanelli]

Usually not until the second date. You know, after I’ve had a chance to feel her out a bit.

Don't forget the roofies!

 

[clarence]

Everything I own is insured.
I’m not shooting someone over a car unless they are assaulting me to take it.
The idea is to protect your life…not your muffler.

Fuck that.

 

[bonesfab]

Everything I own is insured.
I’m not shooting someone over a car unless they are assaulting me to take it.
The idea is to protect your life…not your muffler.
It’s funny you post the bat.
In the life saving situation I was in way back almost 40 years ago, a bat was what I had to save my mom.
It worked.

Not calling you out, But this right here is why we are where we are at this point. Growing up you got out a line, there were consequences, from the teacher, the principal, the neighbor, even the cops. They have pushed back so far now that there are no consequences unless you have the means to defend yourself in court or can pay lots of fines. Those that have nothing, have nothing to fear. The criminals need the fear of god reinstalled in them with billy clubs, and what ever means necessary to get this shit under control. But I believe it is too late now. The criminals are reproducing faster than the cops are hiring. And the criminals are more emboldened than ever with all the catch and release shit going on and knowing the courts are so backed up it takes a year to get a hearing if they even file charges. rant off

 

[whiteworks]

Not calling you out, But this right here is why we are where we are at this point. Growing up you got out a line, there were consequences, from the teacher, the principal, the neighbor, even the cops. They have pushed back so far now that there are no consequences unless you have the means to defend yourself in court or can pay lots of fines. Those that have nothing, have nothing to fear. The criminals need the fear of god reinstalled in them with billy clubs, and what ever means necessary to get this shit under control. But I believe it is too late now. The criminals are reproducing faster than the cops are hiring. And the criminals are more emboldened than ever with all the catch and release shit going on and knowing the courts are so backed up it takes a year to get a hearing if they even file charges. rant off

We were having a long talk about this exact thing a few days ago. What happens to a society that grows up with no consequences? Two decades of this stuff is not going to end well, I don’t get it, what happened to consequences? All we have now is the occasional Darwin Award winners, I’ll take what we can get, but I don’t want to be around large populations of people that have grown up without consequences.

 

[BabyRay]

Not calling you out, But this right here is why we are where we are at this point. Growing up you got out a line, there were consequences, from the teacher, the principal, the neighbor, even the cops. They have pushed back so far now that there are no consequences unless you have the means to defend yourself in court or can pay lots of fines. Those that have nothing, have nothing to fear. The criminals need the fear of god reinstalled in them with billy clubs, and what ever means necessary to get this shit under control. But I believe it is too late now. The criminals are reproducing faster than the cops are hiring. And the criminals are more emboldened than ever with all the catch and release shit going on and knowing the courts are so backed up it takes a year to get a hearing if they even file charges. rant off

Yes, consequences are good. But, I think death as a consequence for theft is going too far, and I’m sure most juries would see it that way. But, there’s a caveat; I believe it is appropriate to confront the thief in attempt to deter the theft (though the the victim should be aware of the risk), and if the thief approaches the victim, it’s time for self defense in any form determined necessary by the victim, and there should be no charges against said defender. After all, even if the thief has no weapon, that’s no guarantee he couldn’t harm someone. Heck, a single well placed blow could be someone’s end, and how do you know the thief won’t suddenly pull a knife or gun.

 

[bilz]

Just in...No Charges Filed
Maybe there's hope!

 

[RVRKID]

Crazy $2million dollar bail with no criminal history, then stuck in jail for 2 days or however long to no charges(which I'm happy about) I just think the bail was set way too high to start with.

 

[thetub]

how about the altercation should not have ever happened in the first place ?

guarantee this thief had a rap sheet a mile long and should have been in jail in the first place ???

also can almost guarantee the thief had some sort of weapon and attacked the kid...

99.9999 percent of these unhoused angelino men carry shanks and or weapons... and are not afraid to use them

 

[bonesfab]

how about the altercation should not have ever happened in the first place ?

guarantee this thief had a rap sheet a mile long and should have been in jail in the first place ???

also can almost guarantee the thief had some sort of weapon and attacked the kid...

99.9999 percent of these unhoused angelino men carry shanks and or weapons... and are not afraid to use them

Just saw news clip where a guy killed 15-16 people and now in another state he has killed someone else. The real question is why is a multi time convicted murder out on the street?? Back to the no consequences thing. If they would actually enforce the death penalty in rape and murder cases, the pieces of shit would either be dead or re think a life of crime.

 

[Tooms22]

Just in...No Charges Filed
Maybe there's hope!

Just read it on KTLA... Gascon agreeing that it was self defense! Let's go!

Must be that election year pressure on him!

 

[bonesfab]

Just read it on KTLA... Gascon agreeing that it was self defense! Let's go!

Must be that election year pressure on him!

Or dad made one hell of a campaign contribution.

 

[jetboatperformance]

A knife in the hands of an untrained "combatant" to me is a curious weapon , kind of surpirsed the vehicle owner would grab that in the first place , my first line of defense is my Louisville slugger

 

[bonesfab]

A knife in the hands of an untrained "combatant" to me is a curious weapon , kind of surpirsed the vehicle owner would grab that in the first place , my first line of defense is my Louisville slugger

Just make sure you have a ball and glove with you.

 

[monkeyswrench]

A knife in the hands of an untrained "combatant" to me is a curious weapon , kind of surpirsed the vehicle owner would grab that in the first place , my first line of defense is my Louisville slugger

What's curious really is the car not belonging to the guy who did the stabbing.

Now, Gascon didn't file charges, and everyone's happy...even the one's who say there are no consequences. I find that amusing. Did he deserve murder charges? No, but probably one of a number of others would apply. I have no body count, but probably still have a record.

I also find it quite telling, the Gascon reaction. The Blaze report on this, and a couple other places, said that the student's profile, written by him, states he is the first person to go to college from his family. It also states both his parents were in and out of prison for gang issues. This could be something, or nothing. Many people here are also blasting college kids for protests and such...they obviously aren't all saints.

 

[Ballyhoo]

I know this is useless whatsboutism but here we go.

Over the last 20 years I seriously considered getting a concealed handgun permit, but couldn't convince myself of the need. Unlike the abundance of many idiots carrying a gun, I thought about the firearm training my Dad provided beginning at age six, the possibility of anger affected my judgement, and the very real chance I could be a loser in a confrontation. The ramifications of firing a weapon at another person, and perhaps fatally, require serious inflection and self examination.

The increasing threat from random crime finally tipped the balance. But every time I leave the house, I think about the responsibilities and possible consequences that are attached to this decision. Texas laws favor the person deciding to use a gun in self defense or protecting one's home or property. But that damn sure means I can't shoot someone unless there are clear and convincing reasons.

I believe the majority, and that's probably 80%, of those carrying a handgun have no fucking business doing so. They are a danger that doesn't advertise itself. I examine my surroundings and other people much more critically now.

I like this post and more folks who decide to carry should consider the things you did. The other important factor is initial training and continuing training. The basic CCW courses are inadequate and some are terrible depending on the instructors. When you look at additional training it is also a crap shoot. You can bet that the best instructors are always booked. If you don't have proper training and don't continue to seek training, you will likely won't be ready for that moment when it comes.

 

[thetub]

What's curious really is the car not belonging to the guy who did the stabbing.

Now, Gascon didn't file charges, and everyone's happy...even the one's who say there are no consequences. I find that amusing. Did he deserve murder charges? No, but probably one of a number of others would apply. I have no body count, but probably still have a record.

I also find it quite telling, the Gascon reaction. The Blaze report on this, and a couple other places, said that the student's profile, written by him, states he is the first person to go to college from his family. It also states both his parents were in and out of prison for gang issues. This could be something, or nothing. Many people here are also blasting college kids for protests and such...they obviously aren't all saints.

good points never thought of that


possibly stabbers not even a student there at USC and is some kind of hoodlom also ?

something fishy ???

whatever it is

 

[monkeyswrench]

good points never thought of that


possibly stabbers not even a student there at USC and is some kind of hoodlom also ?

something fishy ???

whatever it is

No, it looks as though the kid is majoring in business there. I really don't trust Gascon though...so there has to be more of a reason than he believes the kid was right. I just don't know what it is though.

 

[was thatguy]

Not calling you out, But this right here is why we are where we are at this point. Growing up you got out a line, there were consequences, from the teacher, the principal, the neighbor, even the cops. They have pushed back so far now that there are no consequences unless you have the means to defend yourself in court or can pay lots of fines. Those that have nothing, have nothing to fear. The criminals need the fear of god reinstalled in them with billy clubs, and what ever means necessary to get this shit under control. But I believe it is too late now. The criminals are reproducing faster than the cops are hiring. And the criminals are more emboldened than ever with all the catch and release shit going on and knowing the courts are so backed up it takes a year to get a hearing if they even file charges. rant off

It’s cool, I like challenging debate and considering opposing opinions! I will not threaten to punch anyone in the mouth either!
So here is my opinion as best (poorly) that I can type it.

To somewhat disagree, that is not what got us here, but it is where we are at.
What got us here is liberal shit hole sanctuary policy bull shit…with CA primarily leading the way.

I’m 63 this year.
Trust me, I grew up as hard or harder than anyone.
My group of friends “corrected” each other routinely.
It was not unusual for any of us to beat on each other for behaving inappropriately. We learned life from each other much like you describe.


But all that aside, I think you are correct about it being too late.
At least as far as the idea that the citizenry can educate the “criminals” by means of force and conditioning with violent acts upon thieves.
Tweekers don’t care about the consequences some other asshole experienced while stealing.
They don’t have a sense of being dissuaded by what ifs, and trying to correct a real societal problem with individual acts of violence and murder will GENERALLY not end positive for the individual performing the street justice.
Sure, we’ll get away with it now and then, but unless every single citizen bows up and takes the cleansing to the enemy, then each individual will be judged (literally) separately and inconsistently.

Like Tommy Sotameyer said…”ride through there with some good ol boys and CLEAN THAT FUCKER OUT!”
Lol

Like some others on here maybe, I’ve actually been in the situation.
Mufflers and cars and whatever else all pales to insignificance is what I remember.

 

[thetub]

No, it looks as though the kid is majoring in business there. I really don't trust Gascon though...so there has to be more of a reason than he believes the kid was right. I just don't know what it is though.

i agree ... somethings up

 

[King295]

Just in...No Charges Filed
Maybe there's hope!

Best thing that kid did in the situation was ensured that the perp couldn't tell his side of the story.

 

[DWC]

I like this post and more folks who decide to carry should consider the things you did. The other important factor is initial training and continuing training. The basic CCW courses are inadequate and some are terrible depending on the instructors. When you look at additional training it is also a crap shoot. You can bet that the best instructors are always booked. If you don't have proper training and don't continue to seek training, you will likely won't be ready for that moment when it comes.

Are you saying that shooting a target from 5 yrds isn’t a good test.

 

[rmarion]

Lol
Everyone seems limited to guns and knives.
There’s more practical means of stopping people, or dogs.
Mail men (what few are left), meter readers, even pest guys carry mace.
Every female I know carries mace.
College kid could have easily drove the guy off or subdued him with a little can of mace.

I need zip ties. sometimes to secure my material deliveries...

mace.... thanks for the recommendation..

it's TIME to carry.. SOMETHING...

Place is F.ED UP!!!

Military aged illegals in every city..

 

[was thatguy]

I need zip ties. sometimes to secure my material deliveries...

mace.... thanks for the recommendation..

it's TIME to carry.. SOMETHING...

Place is F.ED UP!!!

Military aged illegals in every city..

10 pack for $10.
Amazon.

 

[boatpi]

DA reject!

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

So apparently the perp told the student that he had a gun, so the stabbing was in self defense. That's what I've heard so far.

I heard it might have been caught on camera, but not sure about that part.

 

[Joker]

So apparently the perp told the student that he had a gun, so the stabbing was in self defense. That's what I've heard so far.

I heard it might have been caught on camera, but not sure about that part.

The next time I shoot someone I’m gonna use that line but only after my go fund me cause reaches 100k.

 

[boatpi]

Don’t bring a gun threat to a real knife fight.

 

[monkeyswrench]

The next time I shoot someone I’m gonna use that line but only after my go fund me cause reaches 100k.

Soooo, what did you do last time?

 

[sirbob]

Sanity has prevailed…

Victory for USC student who stabbed homeless man to death


https://mol.im/a/13554849

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

If the homeless guy killed him, he would already be back on the streets.

 

[rrrr]

Turns out the student likely had some experience using a knife. He was raised in East LA. When the perp said "I have a gun," the kid might have replied "Y yo tengo un cuchillo, pendejo."



In a charge evaluation document released by the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office, authorities said Cerf, a homeless man, was seen on security camera video entering a 2010 Mercedes Benz parked near the rear of the fraternity house where Gallegos lives.

Shortly after the car alarm activated, Gallegos, armed with a knife, and accompanied by two other people — one of whom was carrying a large wooden stick, went outside to investigate.

As they approached the car owned by one of their friends, the man refused to get out of the car and locked the door, claiming the car was “calling him” and “had his name,” according to the document, NBC reported.

Moments later, he opened the driver’s door and appeared to be getting out when he told Gallegos he had a gun and reached for his waist, both witnesses told investigators.

Gallegos then grabbed the man’s hands with his left hand and stabbed him in the chest with the knife in his right hand, authorities said.

A struggle ensued and Cerf was stabbed three more times, according to prosecutors.

Cerf died at the scene — an alley behind USC’s Greek Row.

Gallegos, a member of the Delta Tau Delta fraternity, remained on the scene and was arrested, officials said.

The teenager claimed he acted in self-defense and that Cerf claimed to have a gun, though police said no firearm was found.

Gallegos, who just finished his second year at the university, is an acclaimed student pursuing a Business Administration and Management degree at USC’s Marshall School of Business.

He was profiled just last month by USC’s Annenberg Media, where he described his passion for music and recounted his rough upbringing in East Los Angeles, which inspired him to become a first-generation Latino college student.

“Throughout his childhood, Ivan navigated the realities of both his parents’ involvement in gang activities, leading to their intermittent incarceration,” the report said.

“Despite growing up in an environment saturated with drugs, gangs and prostitution, he focused on music and sharpened his skills to become a multifaceted instrument and vocalist.”

USC fraternity student set free after killing homeless man on school’s Greek Row

The University of Southern California student who killed a homeless man during a confrontation over a burglary along the school’s Greek Row won’t be charged over the fatal stabbing, auth…

nypost.com

 

[ChumpChange]

USC’s Greek Row is Dangerous. Anywhere outside the campus is.

 

[monkeyswrench]

USC’s Greek Row is Dangerous. Anywhere outside the campus is.

Haven't been that way in 15 years, and pretty sure it hadn't gotten better. I remember going there for a swim meet as a youngster. Great school, sports teams and everyone seemed to have their gear...but pretty sure the Fig nightlife wasn't on their brochures

 

[FCT]

Are you saying that shooting a target from 5 yrds isn’t a good test.

Anywhere on the 4’x3’ target will do

 

[Willie B]

Haven't been that way in 15 years, and pretty sure it hadn't gotten better. I remember going there for a swim meet as a youngster. Great school, sports teams and everyone seemed to have their gear...but pretty sure the Fig nightlife wasn't on their brochures

… A friend of mine‘s grandson was slated to go to USC.., He was whatever you call it when a guy is slated to be a superhero quarterback… I told his grandmother about the dangers just outside the USC Campus over and over… I am not too sure if I had any influence in the situation but the grandson ended up going to Ohio State… It is possible the ku- de-gra was when I reminded the grandmother of she and I cruising around late at night in my beater diesel Mercedes with suspension parts, dragging on the ground in that area… She kind of went…Ohhhh???…