UAW strike looming

[Justsomeguy]

It's official. On strike..

 

[The Prisoner]

For Sale. 2020 Denali. Low mileage $210,000. No haggling. I know what I got. And go be poor somewhere else.

 

[4Waters]

It's official. On strike..

The big 3 will start moving manufacturing to Mexico and thousands will lose their jobs. Might be the start of the "Hold on to your hats"

 

[FROGMAN524]

Almost ordered a ZR2 HD Bison Edition this week. Glad I didn’t as I’d never get it!

 

[Justsomeguy]

The big 3 will start moving manufacturing to Mexico and thousands will lose their jobs. Might be the start of the "Hold on to your hats"

What if we've already been holding on with both hands? I've been told to hold onto multiple hats. Hands are full.

 

[EmpirE231]

I’ll be honest. Other than owning the business, I’ve yet to see anyone show they make more money (all in) non union.

And I’m talking hour for hour.

The socialism thing kinda leaves a bad taste

 

[azsunfun]

clowns are requesting bullshit, need to ask for min wage of 400 a hour. We need bread at 17.00 a loaf. Stupid fucks.

 

[monkeyswrench]

So AMC will come back...when the government nationalizes the business for the sake of the economy?

 

[4Waters]

So AMC will come back...when the government nationalizes the business for the sake of the economy?

Dodge should buy them and bring back the Javelin and slap a hellcat motor in that to

 

[riverroyal]

My whole career I was able to negotiate based on -my- performance. It has worked out for me.

You know that applies to all union tradesmen right? The union wage, prevailing, is the negotiate wage you get. I don't know many talented construction tradesmen making 'wage' . Skies the limit. The 'union' has no say in your pay above the wage.
If you perform, and want to climb the ladder the opportunity is all over the place

 

[N2DEEP]

Shit.... I was going to be the the market for a new yukon denali. I guess I'll hold off for a bit.

 

[17 10 Flat]

I was a UAW member for three years at GM. I knew then, there had to be something else. On the assembly line I worked on almost 50% of the workers could not read past about a 4th grade level. So when the union heads starts spinning stories these guy's were yup yup we gotta get ours.
Maybe things are different now. That was a long time ago.

 

[napanutt]

Being a CalPERS retiree, the Windfall Elimination Tax caused my $1800 Social Security check to be reduced to $600 a month. How is THIS not THEFT?

Not all Calpers just those that worked for an agency that you didn’t contribute into SS.

 

[JL95]

You know that applies to all union tradesmen right? The union wage, prevailing, is the negotiate wage you get. I don't know many talented construction tradesmen making 'wage' . Skies the limit. The 'union' has no say in your pay above the wage.
If you perform, and want to climb the ladder the opportunity is all over the place

I only know a handful of Local 12 folks,1 carpenter ,and 1 labor union member. I figure most are able to be paid above the wage but from what I have seen that is not very common. Cool to see that it's possible. Most of them feel topped out at journeyman wage.

 

[Singleton]

And Union folks wonder why folks dislike unions.
The demands the UAW are making (40% pay raise over 4 years, work week reduced to 32 hours, cost of living adjustments tied to inflation, fully funded pension for all employees, benefits fully funded by employer) are insane.

Forecast is $1B in total economic damage each day of the strike.

 

[Yoshiro]

I'm all for people wanting to earn more money. However, I believe they need to find a career path to get them to the job and income they desire. Don't just demand for more $ in the current job you are in, it doesn't work that way.

The difference between the people in high paying management/office jobs and the lower paying factory jobs are the career path they chose to pursue and the sacrifices they made to get there.

Learn the rules of the game and win it.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

I wish I had a pension.

 

[bonesfab]

Unions served their purpose back in the day. But now you have the union, the state and the fed in your shit. Just look at the union halls. Where does the money come from for the

Dodge should buy them and bring back the Javelin and slap a hellcat motor in that to

I would prefer the Pacer with that motor.

 

[Bobby V]

And Union folks wonder why folks dislike unions.
The demands the UAW are making (40% pay raise over 4 years, work week reduced to 32 hours, cost of living adjustments tied to inflation, fully funded pension for all employees, benefits fully funded by employer) are insane.

Forecast is $1B in total economic damage each day of the strike.

I learned in my 40 years working under a CBA and many contracts that both sides start out with high demands and settle somewhere in the middle. No way the management should agree to a 32 hr work week for 40 hrs pay. Hope they work this out soon.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I wish I had a pension.

At some point so will the people that were promised them..

 

[4Waters]

Unions served their purpose back in the day. But now you have the union, the state and the fed in your shit. Just look at the union halls. Where does the money come from for the

I would prefer the Pacer with that motor.

 

[CLdrinker]

Yea, and the shitty part is the contractors would be forced to join the union to keep the contract and continue to work, but we don’t get a vote.

Real shity part is there was a new law passed and if they have a certain number of cards signed it don’t even go to a vote!

So I may not get a say. I’m a big hell no on going union. Our asses will be back in office just like the local planners. Eff that.

Also how the hell can the contractors afford to pay union wages?
IBEW got the lineman 4.5%, 4%, 3% & 3% raises over the next 4yrs on this last contract.

I already get that. So the union is going to get me a pay cut plus dues and be back in office.

 

[EmpirE231]

I wish I had a pension.

Who doesn’t? It’s a fairy tale dream. Problem is they are mathematically unsustainable without government (taxation) intervention. Hence, socialism.

 

[farmo83]

If Unions are such a great thing why is there membership declining for the last 50 years?



I live in Houston which has very little unions. A longtime family friend was high up in the IBEW before he left to open his own shop. He used to tell the story that unions in Houston were strong until Rice Stadium was built in the 50s. The GC got into a fight with the head of the carpentry union over something personal. The GC through out the carpentry union got scabs and off they went to work. After that unions started weaker and weaker in town. Now they are very weak.



My Dad got a grievance filed against him from a union a while ago. One of his guys was on a jobsite in the middle of nowhere in west Texas and called him asking could they overnight him some parts so he could finish and go home. Dad went to the factory on a Saturday as no one was there and shipped out what the guy needed to get home. The next week he got in trouble as Unions were supposed to handle all shipping and pulling.

 

[Bobby V]

Who doesn’t? It’s a fairy tale dream. Problem is they are mathematically unsustainable without government (taxation) intervention. Hence, socialism.

Private Unions???

 

[grumpy88]

While I think these UAW union demands are absolutely garbage . I think people have a misconception of what i would consider a free market union . I work for the elevator union and it's 100 percent privately funded . Anything we earn is based upon the free market . The union company agree to my wages . The customers choose to higher a union company or non union company . My pension , annuity and medical are all controlled by the union not the company or tax payer . 90 percent of the time I do not agree with the union and never with there political stance . There is zero chance i would have the life i do if it was not for the union though . Last i understood the companies that are out on strike are private companies and it's up to them on what they are willing to pay . There are plenty of other vehicles on the market to purchase that are not affected by this .

 

[EmpirE231]

Private Unions???

Private like the auto makers? Or private like DWP? Or? lol… how many have been bailed out over time?

 

[Bobby V]

Private like the auto makers? Or private like DWP? Or? lol… how many have been bailed out over time?

Private like all the trade unions. I get my 2 pension checks and SS the end of the month.

 

[EmpirE231]

Private like all the trade unions. I get my 2 pension checks and SS the end of the month.

And if government regulations did not mandate fire sprinkler installations, do you think they’d be able to charge what they do?, and would the union even exist? Dude… connect the dots. And that doesn’t even tap into the math portion of sustainability.

 

[zbudman]

Not all Calpers just those that worked for an agency that you didn’t contribute into SS.

I'm pretty sure your SS amount is reduced (WEP) even if you did pay into SS. I know mine was.

 

[86403]

What would the RDP braintrust consider a fair wage for an assembly line worker?

 

[86403]

I wish I had a pension.

Not me.

Outside of PBGC limits, far from guaranteed.

Company goes to the bankruptcy spa, "poof" pension is gone.

 

[white tortilla]

I need to make $100k a year and 3 day weekend with full retirement or there’s no way I’m installing 40 passenger door handles a day that clip in that get dropped off in front of me as the car rolls by.

 

[spectra3279]

I would prefer the Pacer with that motor.

You kind sir, are one sick and twisted individual.

 

[white tortilla]

I need to make $100k a year and 3 day weekend with full retirement or there’s no way I’m installing 40 passenger door handles a day that clip in that get dropped off in front of me as the car rolls by.

At some point close to full automation is a reality for building these

 

[bonesfab]

You kind sir, are one sick and twisted individual.

We did a LS swap in a pacer for a customer. Pretty entertaining for a stock ls.

 

[spectra3279]

We did a LS swap in a pacer for a customer. Pretty entertaining for a stock ls.

A fish bowl with a hellcat motor? That's insane

 

[spectra3279]

We did a LS swap in a pacer for a customer. Pretty entertaining for a stock ls.

Actually you might need it just to run the giant ac you would need with all that glass

 

[grumpy88]

And if government regulations did not mandate fire sprinkler installations, do you think they’d be able to charge what they do?, and would the union even exist? Dude… connect the dots. And that doesn’t even tap into the math portion of sustainability.

Should we ask this guy how he feels about fire sprinkler mandate! This was the second mass fire in this complex that has no fire sprinklers and code still does not require it . A small child was hurt along with others from a kitchen fire on the first one . Single family home i agree but comercial living i 100 percent agree it should

 

[hallett21]

Interesting that they currently make $18-32 an hour.

$25-45 is their new “target” plus all the bennies.

 

[Bobby V]

And if government regulations did not mandate fire sprinkler installations, do you think they’d be able to charge what they do?, and would the union even exist? Dude… connect the dots. And that doesn’t even tap into the math portion of sustainability.

HahaThe government mandates the plumbing, electrical, hvac trades. Would you like to go back to building a fire, using candles and an outhouse.

 

[EmpirE231]

HahaThe government mandates the plumbing, electrical, hvac trades. Would you like to go back to building a fire, using candles and an outhouse.

People like you need a union. Bless their hearts.

 

[shan]

At some point close to full automation is a reality for building these

It's been headed that way for a long time. The problem is whenever steps are taken in that direction, it requires negotiations because it reduces jobs. The UAW can't have that. The American automakers are truly their last stronghold. All of the the startups and imports that built plants here are non-union. I wonder how they manage to find employees?

 

[JL95]

When I first started working I didn't agree much with the unions. I am non union and after 10 years seeing how difficult it is for most to even brush against journeyman wages in the private sector my mind has changed a bit. The classes they are required(?) to take and the certs they need to carry are beneficial for sure. I wish private sector would structure their operations in a similar matter but I don't think many businesses can sustain that type of pay scale. Especially if you do not secure any open checkbook government contracts. It is pretty grim for many to realize there is only so much room for growth. I know no one is forcing anyone to stay in a certain spot but you get what I mean.

 

[Flatsix66]

It will be interesting how the Dem administration supports this. By supporting this strike the administration is basically saying inflation be damned, inflation remains sticky as wages and product prices increase, Fed continues to raise rates and everyone as a whole becomes poorer. With the election next year this puts them in a tough spot...oh well.

 

[FROGMAN524]

It will be interesting how the Dem administration supports this. By supporting this strike the administration is basically saying inflation be damned, inflation remains sticky as wages and product prices increase, Fed continues to raise rates and everyone as a whole becomes poorer. With the election next year this puts them in a tough spot...oh well.

O’Biden is already supporting it, saying that the record profits need to be shared with the little guy.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I need to make $100k a year and 3 day weekend with full retirement or there’s no way I’m installing 40 passenger door handles a day that clip in that get dropped off in front of me as the car rolls by.

Good, We will have a 250K robot do it instead.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Real shity part is there was a new law passed and if they have a certain number of cards signed it don’t even go to a vote!

So I may not get a say. I’m a big hell no on going union. Our asses will be back in office just like the local planners. Eff that.

Also how the hell can the contractors afford to pay union wages?
IBEW got the lineman 4.5%, 4%, 3% & 3% raises over the next 4yrs on this last contract.

I already get that. So the union is going to get me a pay cut plus dues and be back in office.

But Bobby says you'll get a pension some day.

I have got between 1.5-2X those raises being non union and don't have to pay dues for someone to negotiate a worse deal for me.

 

[RandyH]

The Majority of new Battery Plants coming on line are non union Joint ventures Part owned by the big Three. UAW sees this coming. EVs take alot less Labor to assemble than ICE vehicles. EVs are going to rip the UAW apart. And the funny thing is most of them Vote Democrat . The party that is shoveling this shit down our throats.

 

[Justsomeguy]

The Majority of new Battery Plants coming on line are non union Joint ventures Part owned by the big Three. UAW sees this coming. EVs take alot less Labor to assemble than ICE vehicles. EVs are going to rip the UAW apart. And the funny thing is most of them Vote Democrat . The party that is shoveling this shit down our throats.

Same as union voters voting anti union. Most people honestly vote against their self interests.

It's a strange world out there.