Truck/Trailer weight ratings

[Drew01]

Currently drive a 2017 2500 Duramax crew cab 4X4 short bed. Want to upgrade my 5th wheel trailer. New unit is 18,000 pounds. Apparently my truck is only rated for 14,500. Are most people I see with big triple axle toy haulers just saying fuck it and running it?


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[4Waters]

Currently drive a 2017 2500 Duramax crew cab 4X4 short bed. Want to upgrade my 5th wheel trailer. New unit is 18,000 pounds. Apparently my truck is only rated for 14,500. Are most people I see with big triple axle toy haulers just saying fuck it and running it?


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If you are in California I am pretty sure you are going to need a non-commercial class A license.

 

[grumpy88]

Currently drive a 2017 2500 Duramax crew cab 4X4 short bed. Want to upgrade my 5th wheel trailer. New unit is 18,000 pounds. Apparently my truck is only rated for 14,500. Are most people I see with big triple axle toy haulers just saying fuck it and running it?


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Yes !

 

[Singleton]

Currently drive a 2017 2500 Duramax crew cab 4X4 short bed. Want to upgrade my 5th wheel trailer. New unit is 18,000 pounds. Apparently my truck is only rated for 14,500. Are most people I see with big triple axle toy haulers just saying fuck it and running it?


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IMO Yes!
I will say this, after towing my 30’ TH around in the wind, I will never have a short bed again. Moving up to a F350 CC DRW as my toy mover! Nothing replaces wheelbase when towing

 

[Go-Fly]

I towed my new 5th home and over to the coast for 6 months before my new dually showed up. Had the same truck. Put air bags on it to get a good level ride. The only problem I had was, if you lifted the gas when going around a curve, I could fell the bed roll out and push the back end. It was a hand full. Never got out of shape but, it was there. I've seen people cross the center line on curves for that reason when towing large trailers with the wrong sized truck.

 

[Drew01]

What is the liability?


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[Go-Fly]

What is the liability?


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When you get in a wreck?

 

[yz450mm]

Definitely need the class A to be legal with tag trailer GVWR over 10k or FW over 15k.

I would not tow any large toy hauler with a 2500 series truck. Yes it's done by many, but I wouldn't suggest it. Before I upgraded to the 39' Voltage, I upped the truck to a 3500hd dmax. The extra load capacity, both practical wise and weight rating wise, was worth the cost to me.



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[ToMorrow44]

If it’s 18k empty, you definitely need a dually. The weight capacity with 4 tires is significantly better and having 4 tires back there helps a ton with crosswinds, passing trucks/buses...stability that’ll keep you in one lane and not in all of them lol.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Someone I know was convicted of vehicular manslaughter after he was found guilty of towing overweight and killed two or three people when they tried a "swoop and squat" and when their "victim" couldn't stop, they became the story.

 

[braindead]

Dam u guys are fast!

Worst case
You kill / hurt your family or others on the road
your insurance company says you're on your own if you are involved in an accident
You loose everything from the lawsuits that will be comin after you

Least case
A hefty fine from the cops
A huge pucker factor in windy conditions and you run out and buy a truck that's big enough to handle the load safely

 

[Go-Fly]

Someone I know was convicted of vehicular manslaughter after he was found guilty of towing overweight and killed two or three people when they tried a "swoop and squat" and when their "victim" couldn't stop, they became the story.

I went to a Heartland rally because that's what us retired people do. They where jump scaling rigs. 98% of them were over weight or to heavy for the truck that towed them in. The Heartland rep made them stop.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I would imagine plausible deniability, negligence could be an issue, especially an organized scale event not saying anything...could be ugly.

I went to a Heartland rally because that's what us retired people do. They where jump scaling rigs. 98% of them were over weight or to heavy for the truck that towed them in. The Heartland rep made them stop.

 

[rivermobster]

What is the liability?


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If you get in a wreck, just like when you're drunk, your insurance will cover you. (up to your limits that is)

But when the person you hit sues you in civil court, and you were towing Way over loaded?? That "fuck it", won't seem like such a good idea anymore. You're the one that's gonna be fucked.

 

[rivermobster]

I went to a Heartland rally because that's what us retired people do. They where jump scaling rigs. 98% of them were over weight or to heavy for the truck that towed them in. The Heartland rep made them stop.

Hey hey!!!

 

[3.Slow]

I've heard axle and tire ratings are what really matter, as that is the only information found on your vehicle. That being said, the axle rating of a 2500 is not going to accommodate a very large 5th wheel. And the non commercial class a is required.

 

[sml]

Upgrade to the new f150...that should get the job done.


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[bigpapapump]

The DOT goes by tire/axle ratings whichever is lesser. An 18k trailer is no joke. not only pulling but more importantly stopping.

As a commercial driver I see these flat-billers all the time with huge toy haulers behind single rear wheel 2500's Hammer down. I've also seen them crashed with their families organs splattered all over the interstate. I wouldn't mess around, get a long wheelbase truck with dual wheels and axle capacities that are slightly greater than what you need, don't be that guy.

 

[Bigbore500r]

I was contemplating getting a new 1500 “max tow” silverado and using it as a daily commuter / weekend tow rig. Somehow I ended up with this....

At least I can say no matter what trailer I get next, I won’t run out of truck! Lol

Coming from a 2500 short bed crew cab, it is amazing how a 3500 DRW feels. Just drug the box back from Dove Springs, huge winds on way home and the truck never pushed or swayed. Overkill truck for my 10k setup but I’m glad I went big

 

[rivermobster]

The DOT goes by tire/axle ratings whichever is lesser. An 18k trailer is no joke. not only pulling but more importantly stopping.

As a commercial driver I see these flat-billers all the time with huge toy haulers behind single rear wheel 2500's Hammer down. I've also seen them crashed with their families organs splattered all over the interstate. I wouldn't mess around, get a long wheelbase truck with dual wheels and axle capacities that are slightly greater than what you need, don't be that guy.

You're gonna get hammered in this forum with that kina talk. Reality has no place around here...

 

[Gelcoater]

Currently drive a 2017 2500 Duramax crew cab 4X4 short bed. Want to upgrade my 5th wheel trailer. New unit is 18,000 pounds. Apparently my truck is only rated for 14,500. Are most people I see with big triple axle toy haulers just saying fuck it and running it?


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I'm a firm believer in having more truck for the job than you may need.
Read the others posts about liability if you have an accident overweight.

If you choose to tow that much weight with your truck and be over that much do us all a favor.
Don't.
But if you do please post your route and approximate time so we can be no were in the vicinity.

 

[welldigger00]

I’ve never understood why anyone would buy a 2500 over a 3500 anyhow. It’s already a big ass truck. Does it save a little money on your payment?


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[rrrr]

I've heard axle and tire ratings are what really matter, as that is the only information found on your vehicle. That being said, the axle rating of a 2500 is not going to accommodate a very large 5th wheel. And the non commercial class a is required.

The DOT and the NHTSA require the door sticker on light trucks (one ton or less) to list the GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) and the GVCWR (gross vehicle combined weight rating).

The GVWR is the maximum allowable weight of the vehicle, fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight.

The GVCWR is the maximum allowable weight of the items above, plus the weight of the trailer, its cargo, and tankage. If you're carrying 80 gallons of water that 560 lbs is added to the GVCWR.

The GVWR and GVCWR are specific to the vehicle because the suspension capacity, tire load rating, and the rear end gear ratio can vary from model to model.

 

[Parker Dreamin]

I have a 2012 6.7 F250 long bed, non dually. It is rated at 15,200 towing capacity give or take 100lbs. We tow our Vengeance 320a thats gvwr is 14,680 with two axles. I do have my restriction 41 endorsement. I am in CA. I believe I am 100% legal.


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[4Waters]

I’ve never understood why anyone would buy a 2500 over a 3500 anyhow. It’s already a big ass truck. Does it save a little money on your payment?


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Weight fees, I pay around 200.00 a year on my 2000 F350

 

[3.Slow]

The DOT and the NHTSA require the door sticker on light trucks (one ton or less) to list the GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) and the GVCWR (gross vehicle combined weight rating).

The GVWR is the maximum allowable weight of the vehicle, fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight.

The GVCWR is the maximum allowable weight of the items above, plus the weight of the trailer, its cargo, and tankage. If you're carrying 80 gallons of water that 560 lbs is added to the GVCWR.

The GVWR and GVCWR are specific to the vehicle because the suspension capacity, tire load rating, and the rear end gear ratio can vary from model to model.

Is there a year the Gross Combined requirement went into effect? My 97 only has the front/rear axles and Gross Vehicle. I had to search the interned to find the old Ford ratings.

 

[Go-Fly]

I’ve never understood why anyone would buy a 2500 over a 3500 anyhow. It’s already a big ass truck. Does it save a little money on your payment?


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It's because most lots have 30 2500's and two 3500 that are both black with red interior. Add that with 9 out of 10 people buy what's on the lot so, it's a number game. There are more half tons sold in the US then any other size truck. Truth be told, we buy the truck first, then buy a trailer that is to big for it. I'll be the first to hold up my hand and say, I did that.

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

The DOT and the NHTSA require the door sticker on light trucks (one ton or less) to list the GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) and the GVCWR (gross vehicle combined weight rating).

The GVWR is the maximum allowable weight of the vehicle, fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight.

The GVCWR is the maximum allowable weight of the items above, plus the weight of the trailer, its cargo, and tankage. If you're carrying 80 gallons of water that 560 lbs is added to the GVCWR.

The GVWR and GVCWR are specific to the vehicle because the suspension capacity, tire load rating, and the rear end gear ratio can vary from model to model.

FYI water is 8.36 pounds per gallon so 80 gals. is about 669 lbs.

 

[HitIt]

The GVWR is the maximum allowable weight of the vehicle, fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight.

The GVCWR is the maximum allowable weight of the items above, plus ...

It is not the maximum allowable. It is the maximum manufacturer recommended. The only maximum allowable by law in most states (except for a few on the east coast) has to do with GAWR (gross axle weight rating) and tire ratings.

The 3/4 ton trucks are all severely under rated in terms of gvwr and thus payload to stay under the 10k weight fee limit. I am probably going to get crucified for writing this but 3/4 tons trucks are all more capable than the stickers would have you believe. Hell, they share most of the same components as their SRW 1 ton counterparts. Ford even has options to upgrade the F250 axles and suspension to the same parts used on the F350. Why would they offer this? To avoid weight fees.

Take a look at the rear axle rating on the 3/4 tons and then look at the max payload of a heavy model like a 4wd diesel. It is a joke.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Wish I Knews truck?

I was contemplating getting a new 1500 “max tow” silverado and using it as a daily commuter / weekend tow rig. Somehow I ended up with this....


At least I can say no matter what trailer I get next, I won’t run out of truck! Lol

Coming from a 2500 short bed crew cab, it is amazing how a 3500 DRW feels. Just drug the box back from Dove Springs, huge winds on way home and the truck never pushed or swayed. Overkill truck for my 10k setup but I’m glad I went big

 

[rrrr]

FYI water is 8.36 pounds per gallon so 80 gals. is about 669 lbs.

WTF! Someone changed the weight of water!

I was thinking 7 lbs, getting stupider as I age

 

[rrrr]

It is not the maximum allowable. It is the maximum manufacturer recommended.

I was using "allowable" in the context of liability that was discussed above. The Feds mandate the presence of the sticker, and I suppose it's always a possibility overloading could result in exposure.

 

[73beast]

Is there a year the Gross Combined requirement went into effect? My 97 only has the front/rear axles and Gross Vehicle. I had to search the interned to find the old Ford ratings.
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Should be in you owners manual.

 

[Your ad here]

There are so many variables when it comes to towing with these trucks but whats causing the bad accidents with theses trailers attached are that the trucks now just have to much power. Going 80 mph down the road in a SRW with a 18K 5th wheel with 3200 lb. pin weight is sketchy. 60 mph would be a lot better. Hit a stretch of road like the 86 South in Salton Sea and well, good luck. Stopping is an issue. Signal lights on the 86 suck, thought we were gonna have a bad accident, brake pedal to the floor. We stop in time. Look over and see a F250 and 5th wheel going by us in the shoulder. Dirt flying everywhere and took out the fence. The trucks can handle the weight in the correct setup. 5th wheels are the worse. Small brakes and terrible aerodynamics. Including trailer I've towed 17K lbs. behind my F250 without issue. Gooseneck and had the load positioned so the pin weight was around 1500 lbs. Good brakes on the trailer and okay aerodynamics.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Wish I Knews truck?

Yes sir!

 

[NicPaus]

You sure you got the correct info on your trucks capacity? My new 3/4 ton gas Chevy is rated to tow 14,500 bumper pull. With 5th wheel you should be closer to 20k....https://www.gmfleet.com/previous-mo...ty-truck/features-specs-trims-dimensions.html

Friend just bought a new dually and plans to haul 32k lb loads with it what it is rated for.

 

[Drew01]

You sure you got the correct info on your trucks capacity? My new 3/4 ton gas Chevy is rated to tow 14,500 bumper pull. With 5th wheel you should be closer to 20k....https://www.gmfleet.com/previous-mo...ty-truck/features-specs-trims-dimensions.html

Friend just bought a new dually and plans to haul 32k lb loads with it what it is rated for.

Been checking all the sites hoping I was wrong. Plenty of people out their doing it. Not saying that makes it right.


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[NicPaus]

Been checking all the sites hoping I was wrong. Plenty of people out their doing it. Not saying that makes it right.


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Selman Chevy has the chart inside the dealer. I looked it over but don't recall the 5th wheel rating for diesel. The 14,500 was bumper pull. I could not find anything on line. I can text Jason tomorrow to check if he doesn't see this thread.

 

[4Waters]

18100 for a 5th wheel and GCWR of 25300.

 

[NicPaus]

Yep quick search shows 18,100. Was told they can tow more but were tagged for less.

 

[Andy01]

What is the liability?


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Liability is all you, your insurance provider can and likely deny coverage do to your gross negligence. Someone dies, it can carry criminal homicide like drinking and driving or street racing. Get caught in the wrong spot, CHP will scale your trailer and make you drop the trailer while issuing you a citation.
Exceeding the limits of the tow rig or your state issued license is no joke.


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[welldigger00]

I’ve been popped for overweight in a flatbed. It wasn’t cheap.


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[Devious_Chris]

I had an 02 HD2500 Duramax that I bought new and loved. Then I bought a 40’ toy hauler..... Towed the trailer home and decided to check the weight rating on my truck...... I ordered a new Dually the next week to be able to legally tow my new trailer and have never regretted it. My family is safe and the truck towed the trailer MUCH better.


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[wsuwrhr]

Yes sir!

Sweet. It is a nice piece for sure. WIK is cool people too.

I was hoping someone from here got it. If I had time and space, I would have snatched it up for sure.

Brian

 

[ductape1000]

When doing my research, the #1 way a truck gets classified as a 3/4 ton is by lowering the rear axle weight rating to get under the 10k gvwr number. These trucks are great for towing bumper pull trailers and saving a bit on the weight fees.

When it comes to 5th wheels, you quickly exceed that number with the pin weight you drop in the bed. This is the weak link that the CHP knows to look for when they see a 3/4 ton hauling a 5th wheel. All the numbers matter and don't let anyone fool you into believing they don't. I have an F350 SRW. The same truck in a F250 has 2600lbs carrying capacity less than I do with the exact same running gear under it. Why??? ... Because the sticker says so. It has a gvwr of 9900. My sticker says 12500. They are the same truck except for the badges and that damn sticker that I pay more for every year.

With all that being said, in looking for a trailer that my truck could legally pull, I ended up with a 32' 5th wheel toyhauler with a gvwr of 13500. This keeps me below all my numbers. Damn thing tows like a dream too.

Reality is, anything much bigger over-weighs the rear axle and needs a dually to carry the pin weight properly. Do your own homework and don't assume that the dealers even have the correct information. They aren't as smart as they want you to believe.

 

[HitIt]

Liability is all you, your insurance provider can and likely deny coverage do to your gross negligence.

Since you are in the biz... have you ever seen a case where someone was over the GVWR or GCWR but under the GAWR and tire ratings and was denied coverage? Not "heard it happened to some guy" but actually witnessed it?

 

[River Lynchmob]

Currently drive a 2017 2500 Duramax crew cab 4X4 short bed. Want to upgrade my 5th wheel trailer. New unit is 18,000 pounds. Apparently my truck is only rated for 14,500. Are most people I see with big triple axle toy haulers just saying fuck it and running it?


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I thought I read it was 17,900 when i had my '15 2500, 4X4, crew, short bed, Duramax.

When we got our Atttitude bumper pull its GVWR is 13,500, it's overall length is 37', I know it's a long trailer to tow tag. I pulled it once with our 2500HD and it was a handful. We got the 450 for safety reasons and the fact that we are looking to upgrade to a 5th in the next year or so. I pulled the Attitude with it this weekend and it was unbelievable what a difference it is.

It is rated for 21,000 on the ball and 32,500 for a 5th.

 

[NicPaus]

I’ve been popped for overweight in a flatbed. It wasn’t cheap.


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Wrong weight sticker or over the tire rating?

I have seen a lot of over weight for weight sticker. At a $1 a pound over it adds up quickly.

 

[NicPaus]

I thought I read it was 17,900 when i had my '15 2500, 4X4, crew, short bed, Duramax.

With the new 350 duallyrated at 32,000 lbs what is your new 450 rated at?

 

[Cdog]

Someone at Selman was trying to sell my dad a 2017 2500 Chevy CC 4x4 and convinced him the tow rating was 18,000 and change. I had to show him online that was only for the std cab long bed 4x2 model.