Towing Police check this shit out.

[CLdrinker]

That is an F150 “Max Tow Package”

 

[RiverDave]

That’s insane... mine struggles with my 23?

 

[JM21]

Good luck stopping that thing!

 

[oldschool]

Looks like Janis is trying to give Spenser some sage advise.

 

[RCDave]

But its an ECOBOOST, I mean BOOM. lol

 

[lbhsbz]

Good luck stopping that thing!

That’s why they have trailer brakes.

 

[RitcheyRch]

My neighbor tows a huge trailer with their F150 Ecoboost. I'm actually surprised that the company they bought the trailer from hooked it up to the truck. I would think their insurance might have some issues with it.

 

[pronstar]

I bet that trailer empty maxes-out the truck...toy haulers ain’t exactly lightweight.

My 42-ish foot Cyclone was close to 13k lbs empty...


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[Waterjunky]

This reminds me of the when the old but current Tundra's came out and fools were all about using them as replacements for 3/4 and 1 tons. I actually was lit up by a dealer / salesman on here for pointing out the obvious on this. I thought is was hilarious, him ranting and raving about how they could safely to 12 or 14k and he made his living doing this for year and knew what he was talking about... bla bla bla.
Its still entertaining to this day. Funny thing is some of the Tundra and Titan loyalists still firmly believe this because idiots like that told them it was so when they were shopping......
As always there are a few with every brand but those two seem to attract the vast majority.

 

[lbhsbz]

This reminds me of the when the old but current Tundra's came out and fools were all about using them as replacements for 3/4 and 1 tons. I actually was lit up by a dealer / salesman on here for pointing out the obvious on this. I thought is was hilarious, him ranting and raving about how they could safely to 12 or 14k and he made his living doing this for year and knew what he was talking about... bla bla bla.
Its still entertaining to this day. Funny thing is some of the Tundra and Titan loyalists still firmly believe this because idiots like that told them it was so when they were shopping......
As always there are a few with every brand but those two seem to attract the vast majority.

The new tundras have rear axles and brakes bigger than a late model 1 ton truck...

 

[pronstar]

The new tundras have rear axles and brakes bigger than a late model 1 ton truck...

For sure.
That’s why tow ratings matter - SAE J2807 towing standards are a thing.

1500, 2500, 3500, half-ton, 1-ton...these are meaningless numbers.


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[NicPaus]

The new tundras have rear axles and brakes bigger than a late model 1 ton truck...

Before the tundra was available to the public I got to test a few. Put a jeep a Honda odyssey in my enclosed a quad and dirt bike in the bed and went to Gorman for the weekend. That little truck towed just as good as my 454 Dually. It just did not have trailer brake controller so on way home buddy drove jeep down the hill and we loaded by magic mountain.

 

[Mr. C]

My neighbor tows a huge trailer with their F150 Ecoboost. I'm actually surprised that the company they bought the trailer from hooked it up to the truck. I would think their insurance might have some issues with it.

You made me look it up.
3.5L EcoBoost® Twin-Turbocharged V6

13,200 lbs. towing

3,230 lbs. payload

 

[HCP3]

You made me look it up.
3.5L EcoBoost® Twin-Turbocharged V6

13,200 lbs. towing

3,230 lbs. payload

Might as well add trailer specs too. The smallest (new) Attitude 5th wheel has a dry weight of 9,800 lb and GVWR of 14,000 lb.

The most concerning part is the hitch weight. 2,307 lb on the same trailer I mentioned above. Ford recommends only 15% of total trailer weight on the pin. So assuming you max the truck out at 13,200 lb, you can only have a hitch weight of 1,980lb.

 

[spectras only]

That’s insane... mine struggles with my 23?

What is that you store/haul in your 23? Are you running on all 6 cylinder or misfire a few.

My 30 footer, no problem any grades I tow.

 

[mesquito_creek]

2019 ram 2500 gasser (6.4) with the 4.10 rear end are rated to tow 17,200.... mind blowing to me... I am gonna try pulling my 12000 lb boat from Phoenix to Powell this spring. Its sure to turn some heads on the towing police! Someone's gonna say I need a f450 ....

 

[Havaduner]

HAHA ! Back in the day, my first Weekend Warrior was a 28ft. 5th wheel. Towed it with an half ton short bed Cheyy. This was like in 88 or 89. No way was that truck rated for it, but they put the hitch in it and away we went!! My buddy just tried to buy a 32 Attitude 5r at the RV show. When he showed up at Giant RV, they looked up the specs on his truck, and said they wouldn't sell it to him, since the dry weight of the trailer exceeded specs on his 2012 F 250!

 

[Canuck 1]

The new tundras have rear axles and brakes bigger than a late model 1 ton truck...

A semi floating 1/2 ton rear is bigger than a full floating one ton one? Really? toyoture logic

 

[braindead]

Is it just me, and my bad eyes, but are the jacks still down on the trailer?

 

[DB / HAV]

Might need a different prop!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You made me look it up.
3.5L EcoBoost® Twin-Turbocharged V6

13,200 lbs. towing

3,230 lbs. payload

Correct.

Nearly everything on my truck (F150 Max Tow) is the same size or bigger than a friends 06 Holy Grail Duramax.

Frame is demonstrably stronger and beefier.
Brakes are bigger.
Suspension components look stronger and bigger
Rear axle is a smaller diameter on the Ford.

If I was lugging crap around for a living, there are better trucks. For a weekend tow vehicle, it will do the job within it’s rated limits.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

2019 ram 2500 gasser (6.4) with the 4.10 rear end are rated to tow 17,200.... mind blowing to me... I am gonna try pulling my 12000 lb boat from Phoenix to Powell this spring. Its sure to turn some heads on the towing police! Someone's gonna say I need a f450 ....

You’ll need an F750.

 

[Turnup]

Is hitch weight capacity the same on a tongue as it is in a bed?

 

[CLdrinker]

Why does everyone worry about pulling and stoping? The trailer has brakes and who cares is you can pull 10mph or 100mph.
But when you get into high wind or have to swerve a 6,000lb truck is gonna gets its ass shoved all over the place by a 14,000lb trailer.

these new 1/2 tons have more power than they can safely use when it comes to towing.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Why does everyone worry about pulling and stoping? The trailer has brakes and who cares is you can pull 10mph or 100mph.
But when you get into high wind or have to swerve a 6,000lb truck is gonna gets its ass shoved all over the place by a 14,000lb trailer.

these new 1/2 tons have more power than they can safely use when it comes to towing.

I don’t get it either. But most new trucks have sway control and a host of tech that helps mitigate some of the challenges introduced by physics

 

[CLdrinker]

I don’t get it either. But most new trucks have sway control and a host of tech that helps mitigate some of the challenges introduced by physics

That helps put more idiots in situations they shouldn’t be in.

 

[Yellowboat]

I don’t get it either. But most new trucks have sway control and a host of tech that helps mitigate some of the challenges introduced by physics

Still a 1000# difference in truck weight can be huge when counter acting trailer sway. There is no replacement for displacement

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That helps put more idiots in situations they shouldn’t be in.

Without idiots, who would go on Desert Whips and River Whips?

 

[NicPaus]

Is hitch weight capacity the same on a tongue as it is in a bed?

No. A 5th wheel or gooseneck can handle a lot more than the hitch is rated for. They also tow a lot nicer with the big toyhaulers or campers.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Still a 1000# difference in truck weight can be huge when counter acting trailer sway. There is no replacement for displacement

I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t believe the mfg trailer ratings. They aren’t lying about them. You still need to be careful and use (un)common sense.

You are much safer towing 13k with a brand new half ton than you are towing 10k with a 15 year old 3/4 ton.

 

[RCDave]

Stay within the limits with a cushion and use the proper equipment.

I routinely towed 7-9k lbs with a 2007 Tundra with zero problems.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Stay within the limits with a cushion and use the proper equipment.

I routinely towed 7-9k lbs with a 2007 Tundra with zero problems.

Savage..

 

[Yellowboat]

I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t believe the mfg trailer ratings. They aren’t lying about them. You still need to be careful and use (un)common sense.

I don't think they are lieing, I just know when shit goes wrong not be at max capacity is a good thing. There is a big diffence between towing 14k # when your capacity is 14k# compared to when your capacity is 20 or 30 k. Would I tow a 10k boat with a half ton, sure if it was only a short distance. Across the continental divide, not on mine or any one else's life

 

[RCDave]

Savage..

Lol.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don't think they are lieing, I just know when shit goes wrong not be at max capacity is a good thing. There is a big diffence between towing 14k # when your capacity is 14k# compared to when your capacity is 20 or 30 k. Would I tow a 10k boat with a half ton, sure if it was only a short distance. Across the continental divide, not on mine or any one else's life

If your full time towing I get it. To buy an F550 to tow your 12k # toy hauler several times a year seems like a waste.

 

[NicPaus]

If your full time towing I get it. To buy an F550 to tow your 12k # toy hauler several times a year seems like a waste.

The F350 will actually tow more than the F550. The chassis cabs are not same tune as the dually bed F350 and F450. The F450 has highest rating for 2019 at 32,500 . I have both brochures sitting here. The new Ford dually can tow 10k more than the SRW f350. It used to be the single rear wheel F350 was highest capacity used to have 1.

 

[Dmangus]

I had to post this lol

 

[bilz]

After I parked the space shuttle I went to the river with my bote.

 

[infield]

I live on the fringe of cow/calf cattle country. I have three pickups 3/4 ton and up all with bale beds. I had two of them installed at the Deweze plant in Harper KS. I can think of at least 3 different brands built in KS and a couple in Oklahoma. I have never in my life seen one installed on a half ton pickup. Not even a Ecoboost. I was at a big farm show I think in 2007 when Toyota was making a big deal about some big heavy upgrade so I asked where is the one ton? He said very soon. Well not yet. No bale beds on imports.

 

[4Waters]

The new tundras have rear axles and brakes bigger than a late model 1 ton truck...

Wrong
17 Ford 1 ton
Ring gear size 10.8"

Tundra 07 up

17 Ford 1 ton rotor size

Tundra 2019
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota...yota_tundra_toyota-tundra_2019#specifications

 

[Go-Fly]

I've been towing trailers across this country sense 1978. After seeing my share of balled up rigs off to the side of the road with a trailer in a pile that could be moved with a rake, it make you go with big and power. Everyone wants to go to the max of the towing capacity.

 

[Turnup]

No. A 5th wheel or gooseneck can handle a lot more than the hitch is rated for. They also tow a lot nicer with the big toyhaulers or campers.

Ya that's why I was askin since the pic this thread is about is a 5th wheel and tongue weights came into the convo

 

[Backlash]

Toyota Tundra rear axle ring gear size is either the smaller 9.5" or the larger 10.5". Not larger than the modern full size rear axles, but large considering. The 10.5" is the same size as the older Corporate 14 bolt ring gear. 4Waters added plenty of supporting documentation in his reply too.

 

[NicPaus]

Since I learned to read a brochure. Checking out some of the ratings on the F350. You could put my skidsteer in the bed weight wise. Crew cab 4x4 dually payload rating 6,550 lbs. Can tow up to 31,300 lbs.

 

[Turnup]

Since I learned to read a brochure. Checking out some of the ratings on the F350. You could put my skidsteer in the bed weight wise. Crew cab 4x4 dually payload rating 6,550 lbs. Can tow up to 31,300 lbs.

I'm thinkin that's the most ever. That ain't sic its just plain disgusting !

 

[NicPaus]

I'm thinkin that's the most ever. That ain't sic its just plain disgusting !

They would not tell me the ratings for the 2020. It's a heated battle between Ram Chevy and Ford. The new 2020 Chevy dually was on display it had the same 40,000 GCWR as the 2019 F350 Dually. Dodge I think is at 35,000 tow rating for 2020.

This is a F650 that had huge brakes and tires in comparison and the duallys can almost tow as much.

 

[lbhsbz]

Wrong
17 Ford 1 ton
Ring gear size 10.8"
View attachment 808434
Tundra 07 up
View attachment 808435

17 Ford 1 ton rotor size
View attachment 808436
Tundra 2019
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota...yota_tundra_toyota-tundra_2019#specifications

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What‘s the specs on a 2007 F350?

And i’d like to hear more about this 5.4L Toyota engine called in your spec sheets...

 

[4Waters]

What‘s the specs on a 2007 F350?

And i’d like to hear more about this 5.4L Toyota engine called in your spec sheets...

It's '07+ that means 2007 and up (newer aka current). The engine? This was about rear differentials and brakes. Oh, and yes 07 F350 had 10" ring gear but you said that the Tundra had bigger rear differential and brakes than the newer 1 tons, they don't.

 

[Turnup]

They would not tell me the ratings for the 2020. It's a heated battle between Ram Chevy and Ford. The new 2020 Chevy dually was on display it had the same 40,000 GCWR as the 2019 F350 Dually. Dodge I think is at 35,000 tow rating for 2020.

This is a F650 that had huge brakes and tires in comparison and the duallys can almost tow as much. View attachment 808447

The ride is just crazy too, hardly know you're in a truck anymore

 

[Your ad here]

I look at that picture and just think over heating going up Cajon or Chiriaco summit. It probably still has P rated tires instead of LT tires so there is a blow out waiting to happen and probably a roll over. If not that, those aluminum wheels don't look to strong and will probably break and then roll. The engine may have X amount of HP and a transmission with 10 gears but take a look at the rest of the truck. Towing that setup up 395 to Mammoth in 100* weather with 35mph cross winds would suck. I did it with a SRW F350 psd and similar trailer and will never again do that.