Tony Stewart NHRA debut

[CLdrinker]

How many times has tony exited his nascar under green, Ten times, or more....He threw his helmet at the windshield of another race car as it drove by him standing
on the track. The kid should not have been run over by a professional race car driver. Kid didn't even throw anything,

If Tony got his dumb ass ran over I wouldn’t be here bitching how someone killed him.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Tony just so happens to not have got his ass ran over yet.

You still didn’t answer the question. Probably because you know that we can’t have the kid responsible for his own decisions now can we.

 

[CLdrinker]

BTW if playing on a race track is so safe go tell you kids to run out there during the next caution. I’ll wait.

 

[RACER J]

I thought this thread was about drag racing, not some fucksticks on a dirt track!!
Stay focused and on track people,

 

[Dog]

Some people that didn't know what they were talking about suddenly quit posting, good job. Hopefully someone learned something.

 

[Nordie]

Don’t need your respect. To have an opinion.

The deal with what you're saying is an assumption vs opinion. The other day you couldn't even name the proper class of cars.

Basically whatever shit you spew is Basically invalid. Plus now the dude is doing straight line stuff, either appreciate his efforts, or shut the fuck up.

 

[timstoy]

Tony goes to the final and loses a close race to Payne. I forgot Paynes first name but she is the daughter of drag racing legends Jay Payne and Shelly Anderson. It was also the twenty year olds first win! I think Tony did an outstanding job for his first race and beat some tough competition in route to his first final! Tony said this is the best racing he’s had in a long time. This could be a great shot for NHRA if Tony continues to race.

 

[rrrr]

Ron...the amount of Pseudo Quasi couch sitting never having driven a sprint car talking out their ass experts on here is amazing isn't it?
...clowns.

We haven't even touched the fact that the wing fence and the cockpit side panels on a sprinter greatly restrict vision out the right side of the car. Stewart didn't see Ward until he was already in the path of the tire.

 

[FlyByWire]

All of the above, plus the track has significant banking. Ward was wearing a black firesuit, and the track, like most small dirt venues, was poorly lit. Add the fact that the speed of the field under yellow was around 50 MPH, or 73 feet per second.

Ward's stupidity killed him, not Tony Stewart.

Staggered tire sizes:

That’s wild. Do they do that because the cars are always “drifting” around the track? I get why one may be wider on one side of the car, but different diameters too?

 

[CLdrinker]

That’s wild. Do they do that because the cars are always “drifting” around the track? I get why one may be wider on one side of the car, but different diameters too?

Short answer yes.

If you have never seen a winged sprint car race in person you are missing it out.

 

[coolchange]

That’s wild. Do they do that because the cars are always “drifting” around the track? I get why one may be wider on one side of the car, but different diameters too?

Rear axle is locked. Inside tire travels less distance. Smaller diameter to keep at going proper direction. Tires are measured when purchased for diameter, at least on asphalt. Left handers are made to turn. You have to hold them to go straight, let go of the wheel they turn.

 

[playdeep]

We haven't even touched the fact that the wing fence and the cockpit side panels on a sprinter greatly restrict vision out the right side of the car. Stewart didn't see Ward until he was already in the path of the tire.

Or OCD Guage watching under caution...
Few years ago I almost took out a track official who'd gone up the track to check on a driver who'd hit the wall.
I'm busy watching the water temp Guage go from 190 to 220&oil pressure is dropping.
I'm freaking out&not paying attention to the track.Suddenly I look up&there's an official 2 feet from my right front. So obsessed with Guage watching I almost ran him over.
I'm in a dirt modified which has a ot more peripheral view than a winged sprint.
Scary shit.
It's funny anyone who's ever driven a car with rollout(stagger)knows it's a bitch keeping it straight.
The car wants to wander all over.

 

[playdeep]

Rear axle is locked. Inside tire travels less distance. Smaller diameter to keep at going proper direction. Tires are measured when purchased for diameter, at least on asphalt. Left handers are made to turn. You have to hold them to go straight, let go of the wheel they turn.

Exactly...excellent description.
On dirt...when the track is tacky early on you put ton of stagger in the right rear to free the car up&help it turn.
Dry slick you take stagger out to tighten the carup.
One night I ran reverse stagger(larger left rear) to tighten up the car on a rubbered up track.
Ho-Lee-phuck...that was an eye opener.The larger left rear steers the car constantly toward the wall.
It's a handful.

 

[92562]

Tony goes to the final and loses a close race to Payne. I forgot Paynes first name but she is the daughter of drag racing legends Jay Payne and Shelly Anderson. It was also the twenty year olds first win! I think Tony did an outstanding job for his first race and beat some tough competition in route to his first final! Tony said this is the best racing he’s had in a long time. This could be a great shot for NHRA if Tony continues to race.

What I found amazing was how great his lights were. It's one thing to cut two .06s on a Saturday, but on your first Sunday race-day to cut a .045 in the semi's, impressive skills. Nothing to hang your head about.

 

[rrrr]

That’s wild. Do they do that because the cars are always “drifting” around the track? I get why one may be wider on one side of the car, but different diameters too?

Do the posts by @playdeep and @coolchange help you understand that stagger is an important tool for setup of a sprint car or midget? Managing the difference in right rear tire circumference compared to the left rear tire changes several aspects of handling.

In IndyCar we measure the circumferences of the left and right rear, mostly just to know how a certain set of tires might dictate a need to adjust tire pressures. The Firestone techs typically mount eight sets of tires for each team, and they are numbered in sets of four. The tires must used as sets, because they are measured and weighed to be compatible.

Firestone does a good job of keeping the two rear tires of each set close to the same circumference. There isn't much difference between the two, around ¼" to ½" on a road or street course, but it is enough to change the cross weight relationship between the left front and right rear corners of the car. A half pound of air pressure is enough to null it out.

I think everyone is aware of the concept of front to rear weight balance on a race car. It's expressed as a percentage of total car weight. The weight of each corner of the car is critical too. The setup pad is an aluminum or carbon fiber framework with a scale on each corner. It's leveled with a transit on the garage floor, the car is rolled onto it, and the cross weight is changed by adjusting ride height and preload on the springs. Those figures are adjusted within one pound of the engineer's calculated value.

Another critical measurement is the center of aerodynamic pressure, which is the balance between front and rear downforce. The COP is set according to the "book" on the track, taking into account the density altitude. That calculated figure is the product of the actual track elevation, ambient temperature, and present barometric pressure. The result is the altitude the car "sees." If the car is over steering or under steering ("loose" or "tight"), the COP is moved to where the driver and engineer want it.

I managed to make another long post, sorry about that. I hope the content is interesting.

 

[coolchange]

Exactly...excellent description.
On dirt...when the track is tacky early on you put ton of stagger in the right rear to free the car up&help it turn.
Dry slick you take stagger out to tighten the carup.
One night I ran reverse stagger(larger left rear) to tighten up the car on a rubbered up track.
Ho-Lee-phuck...that was an eye opener.The larger left rear steers the car constantly toward the wall.
It's a handful.

lol talk about a push!
Rrrr, never thought about cop. Never had to, is that done in a wind tunnel? Or you just “know”, and move it accordingly.

 

[farmo83]

I went out to the no prep kings race in ennis this past weekend. I get a lot of it is done up for tv but way more entertaining in my view.

 

[DragDad]

Pretty sure his butterflies lasted about 2 passes.. then it was on, bitches. He dont suck at it... Maybe he'll stick around a while.

 

[scottchbrite]

Tony goes to the final and loses a close race to Payne. I forgot Paynes first name but she is the daughter of drag racing legends Jay Payne and Shelly Anderson. It was also the twenty year olds first win! I think Tony did an outstanding job for his first race and beat some tough competition in route to his first final! Tony said this is the best racing he’s had in a long time. This could be a great shot for NHRA if Tony continues to race.

Her name is Madison.
Rumor has it that Grandpa might have a Pro Mod for her to drive next year . Hopefully, she does better than mom and dad did

 

[92562]

Her name is Madison.
Rumor has it that Grandpa might have a Pro Mod for her to drive next year . Hopefully, she does better than mom and dad did

I thought Shelly was doing pretty good but that she never really got her mojo back after the crash in Sonoma. Those burns must have been rough.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Do the posts by @playdeep and @coolchange help you understand that stagger is an important tool for setup of a sprint car or midget? Managing the difference in right rear tire circumference compared to the left rear tire changes several aspects of handling.

In IndyCar we measure the circumferences of the left and right rear, mostly just to know how a certain set of tires might dictate a need to adjust tire pressures. The Firestone techs typically mount eight sets of tires for each team, and they are numbered in sets of four. The tires must used as sets, because they are measured and weighed to be compatible.

Firestone does a good job of keeping the two rear tires of each set close to the same circumference. There isn't much difference between the two, around ¼" to ½" on a road or street course, but it is enough to change the cross weight relationship between the left front and right rear corners of the car. A half pound of air pressure is enough to null it out.

I think everyone is aware of the concept of front to rear weight balance on a race car. It's expressed as a percentage of total car weight. The weight of each corner of the car is critical too. The setup pad is an aluminum or carbon fiber framework with a scale on each corner. It's leveled with a transit on the garage floor, the car is rolled into it, and the cross weight is changed by adjusting ride height and preload on the springs. Those figures are adjusted within one pound of the engineer's calculated value.

Another critical measurement is the center of aerodynamic pressure, which is the balance between front and rear downforce. The COP is set according to the "book" on the track, taking into account the density altitude. That calculated figure is the product of the actual track elevation, ambient temperature, and present barometric pressure. The result is the altitude the car "sees." If the car is over steering or under steering ("loose" or "tight"), the COP is moved to where the driver and engineer want it.

I managed to make another long post, sorry about that. I hope the content is interesting.

None of that is relevant to Tony Stewart mowing down an innocent child in cold blood. I've never been in a race car that steers only with throttle input, that does not drive straight, that I can barely see out of with little to no peripheral vision, at night on a dimly lit track, wearing a helmet that further constricts my forward vision, and a HANS device so my head can barely move. I have never done any of that but I know he hit that innocent kid on purpose and must be executed.

 

[scottchbrite]

I thought Shelly was doing pretty good but that she never really got her mojo back after the crash in Sonoma. Those burns must have been rough.

I was talking about both her and Jays Pro Mod racing. They wrecked some hardware in a somewhat short time. They are both really aggressive drivers. My observation, from what I saw and heard- A lot of Shelly’s walking away from driving had to do with Jay and having a family because of that Top Fuel crash at Sonoma. It wasnt that she couldn’t drive but the risk wasn’t worth it. Also, Shelly was a tremendous asset to Jays racing operation. Her driving took away from that. She taught me some quite a bit about clutches and between round maintenance.

 

[j21black]

This may be the quickest thread derail I have ever seen....

 

[oldschool]

This may be the quickest thread derail I have ever seen....

No shit!

 

[Willie B]

..Yeow???…

 

[rrrr]

lol talk about a push!
Rrrr, never thought about cop. Never had to, is that done in a wind tunnel? Or you just “know”, and move it accordingly.

The wind tunnel provides a baseline, along with calculated values. Data from previous races at the same track is important too. Another source of information comes from the suspension telemetry. It provides real time feedback of the amount of suspension compression at speed, and also the rate and duration of chassis responses to bumps on the track surface.

This telemetry indicates the downforce produced at each wheel by the wings and undertray, and also the compression and rebound cycles of the springs and shock absorbers. The data is aggregated and laid out in graph form for analysis by the race engineer. Data collected during the prerace practice sessions is a primary source for setup information, along with the "book" info.

Early on in my learning cycle of this type of information, I discovered a principle that applies at all tracks, but is most important at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The car is set up so the aerodynamic devices produce the maximum required downforce at a certain speed.

If the car is set up for a 230+ MPH qualifying run, the aero on the car won't be effective until it laps at that speed. The drivers have to get on it going down the backstretch to the green flag to reach the car's optimum downforce. The car is actually more on the edge at speeds slower than the target.

Scott Dixon's pole winning four lap average of 234.046 MPH set a new speed record and placed him on pole for the 2022 Indianapolis 500. But the pole speed and race speed are two different things entirely. Dixon and the rest of the Ganassi team, plus Team Penske and Andretti Autosport, set up their cars to run a 220-223 MPH race pace. Other teams were in that general area, while the cars that qualified back in the field chose slower speeds. The extra downforce is required to run in traffic. Turbulence generated by the wings is significant and can cause a car running close behind another to lose the front end and crash.

The work done by the engineers to make the cars go fast is fascinating.

 

[blue wonder]

None of that is relevant to Tony Stewart mowing down an innocent child in cold blood. I've never been in a race car that steers only with throttle input, that does not drive straight, that I can barely see out of with little to no peripheral vision, at night on a dimly lit track, wearing a helmet that further constricts my forward vision, and a HANS device so my head can barely move. I have never done any of that but I know he hit that innocent kid on purpose and must be

None of that is relevant to Tony Stewart mowing down an innocent child in cold blood. I've never been in a race car that steers only with throttle input, that does not drive straight, that I can barely see out of with little to no peripheral vision, at night on a dimly lit track, wearing a helmet that further constricts my forward vision, and a HANS device so my head can barely move. I have never done any of that but I know he hit that innocent kid on purpose and must be executed.

None of anything you said is relevant to this thread, it’s supposed to be about Tony’s NHRA weekend not something that happened on a sprint car track, your an idiot

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

None of anything you said is relevant to this thread, it’s supposed to be about Tony’s NHRA weekend not something that happened on a sprint car track, your an idiot

Want to know how I know you didn’t read the first page of the thread nor do you know what sarcasm is?

 

[playdeep]

None of anything you said is relevant to this thread, it’s supposed to be about Tony’s NHRA weekend not something that happened on a sprint car track, your an idiot

Might wanna read the entire thread...it helps prevent looking dumb.

LOF is being sarcastic in regards to a couple of Know it all couch racers who continue to post&showcase their stupidity.

 

[timstoy]

Do the posts by @playdeep and @coolchange help you understand that stagger is an important tool for setup of a sprint car or midget? Managing the difference in right rear tire circumference compared to the left rear tire changes several aspects of handling.

In IndyCar we measured the circumferences of the left and right rear, mostly just to know how a certain set of tires might dictate a need to adjust tire pressures. The Firestone techs typically mounted eight sets of tires, and they were numbered in sets of four. We couldn't swap tires between the sets, because they were measured and weighed to be compatible as a set.

They did a good job of keeping the two rear tires of each set close to the same circumference. There wasn't much difference between the two, around ¼" to ½" on a road or street course, but it was enough to change the cross weight relationship between the left front and right rear corners of the car. A half pound of air pressure was enough to null it out.

I think everyone is aware of the concept of front to rear weight balance. It's expressed as a percentage of total car weight. The weight of each corner of the car is critical too. The setup pad is an aluminum or carbon fiber framework with a scale on each corner. It's leveled with a transit on the garage floor, the car is rolled into it, and the cross weight is changed by adjusting ride height and preload on the springs. Those figures are adjusted within one pound of the engineer's calculated value.

Another critical measurement is the center of aerodynamic pressure, which is the balance between front and rear downforce. The COP is set according to the "book" on the track, taking into account the density altitude. That calculated figure takes into account the actual track elevation, ambient temperature, and present barometric pressure. The result is the altitude the car "sees." If the car is over steering or under steering ("loose" or "tight"), the COP is moved to where the driver and engineer want it.

I managed to make another long post, sorry about that. I hope the content is interesting.

Her name is Madison.
Rumor has it that Grandpa might have a Pro Mod for her to drive next year . Hopefully, she does better than mom and dad did

Her name is Madison.
Rumor has it that Grandpa might have a Pro Mod for her to drive next year . Hopefully, she does better than mom and dad did

Madison, thank you. She looks like her mother Shelly Anderson. Brad Anderson owner of BAE is her grandfather. I think she has great potential from a great racing background! Tony offered his congratulations to Madison after a very close race.

 

[Bobby V]

3 couch racers

 

[Mr. C]

Might wanna read the entire thread...it helps prevent looking dumb.

LOF is being sarcastic in regards to a couple of Know it all couch racers who continue to post&showcase their stupidity.

Haha. From my couch. You must still be swinging off TS balls. Just cause you can’t or won’t admit it. He drove up the track romped the throttle and hit the kid. Everybody else was down low. Don’t care if I’ve been in car or not. It was obvious he was trying to send a message. And it went really wrong. But don’t try and tell me he didn’t see the kid.

 

[rrrr]

None of anything you said is relevant to this thread, it’s supposed to be about Tony’s NHRA weekend not something that happened on a sprint car track, your an idiot

It's "you're."

 

[playdeep]

Haha. From my couch. You must still be swinging off TS balls. Just cause you can’t or won’t admit it. He drove up the track romped the throttle and hit the kid. Everybody else was down low. Don’t care if I’ve been in car or not. It was obvious he was trying to send a message. And it went really wrong. But don’t try and tell me he didn’t see the kid.

Gotta love those who lack the testicular girth to enter the arena yet feel compelled to criticize those that do.
Keep posting from the couch...so people can keep clowning on you...

 

[DLow]

Haha. From my couch. You must still be swinging off TS balls. Just cause you can’t or won’t admit it. He drove up the track romped the throttle and hit the kid. Everybody else was down low. Don’t care if I’ve been in car or not. It was obvious he was trying to send a message. And it went really wrong. But don’t try and tell me he didn’t see the kid.

He didn’t see the kid.

 

[Mr. C]

He didn’t see the kid.

Ok. Let’s go with that. It doesn’t matter any way now.

 

[j21black]

your an idiot

When people post this, at least get it right - "You are an idiot, or You're an idiot"

I'm not sure exactly what it says about the poster, but it is saying something......

 

[j21black]

It's "you're."

Why I should read the entirety of the thread before quoting and responding

 

[FCT]

Listen to the video, !;39 .....He appeared to hit the throttle when the accident happened,

Again. Don’t have to seen enough in car videos of every other driver. And tony being a tough guy. Gonna spray him with some dirt. And it went bad. He killed that kid.

Ever rode a jet ski or drove a jet boat and tried to turn without giving it any throttle?

If not go give it a whirl. Works great!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

For a person that hasn't driven a sprint car to tell someone that has actually driven one that he is wrong about how they handle and behave like during a caution is beyond comprehension.

Ever rode a jet ski or drove a jet boat and tried to turn without giving it any throttle?

If not go give it a whirl. Works great!

Yup, or ridden much in sand. Throttle is the single biggest contributor to steering. In the sprint car case, the more throttle that is input, the more the car wants to turn due to the stagger discussed.

 

[Racer56]

I grew up racing Midget's and Sprint cars with Tony and call him a friend. As someone that knows him well, I can assure you that Tony did not try and hurt the kid and this was an accident.

Most dirt tracks are very poorly lit and especially on the back straight, including turns 2 & 3. Wing Sprint cars have a limited field of view due to the side boards of the top wing. On yellow flags it is necessary to romp the throttle to keep the engine's from loading up and to keep tires from sealing over. Sprint's and Midgets are some of the most difficult to drive race cars on the planet and have very unique characteristics due to how they are equipped.

My midget had 380 HP and was 900 lbs ready to race. My Sprint car had 850+ HP and was under 1,200 lbs ready to race. With really short wheelbase's and that power to weight ratio, they are some of the gnarliest car's to drive.

 

[oldschool]

Hope he’s running at Pomona.

 

[RACER J]

Hope he’s running at Pomona.

Do they have a dirt track there? This thread could go either way!