Todays costs putting things in perspective

[RiverDave]

This is the 10 wide and it’s got 500’s so it’s in the upper echelon of things.. but that is 450k for a toon and they will get it.

 

[hallett21]

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This is the 10 wide and it’s got 450’s so it’s in the upper echelon of things.. but that is 450k for a toon and they will get it.

500s

 

[4Waters]

That's as redneck as it gets

 

[dread Pirate]

That's as redneck as it gets

Rednecks with Paychecks

 

[hallett21]

Maxed Out Marine still turns out a pretty affordable custom 21ft boat. Tahiti & Shockwave as well. I just think the expectations of the customer has skyrocketed while they still have a 2003 budget lol.

 

[Dana757]

That’s more than I paid for the house I live in. A lot more.

 

[Joker]

That thing would be a blast on the Mississippi.

 

[Deckin Around]

1/2 a mil?!?! Jesus.

Does anyone have one of these toons that slide out sideways? Video says they can go 40+ when extended out. I might need one

 

[monkeyswrench]

That’s more than I paid for the house I live in. A lot more.

That's 3x what I paid in 2012, and about what they say my house is worth now.

In terms of relativity, probably not far off.
That said, F' I'm poor

 

[throttle]

That would fit perfect in my slip!

No getting around it. That will hurt my wallet.

I was on a 10' wide Bennington last week, Its too wide for what I need or want but it was comfortable AF.

 

[RiverDave]

500s

Apologies

 

[hallett21]

Apologies

lol didn’t mean it negatively. Now it’s a better a deal. Instant 100hp upgrade.

 

[D19]

I don't get it. Does it drive itself? Does Taylor Swift deliver it to your house for a meet and greet or something?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I'm shopping for a used truck. The prices really were pissing me off until I saw that Meme from @regor that basically said: "Your shit ain't worth more money, your money ain't worth shit!" So, I started using this calculator to level set my expectations.

https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

The thing that really struck home was that when you account for inflation, the price of "New" trucks is surprising, considering all the new technology incorporated into the design for convenience, performance, safety, and fuel economy.

It also surprises me what a value Gasoline (Fuel) is when I use the inflation calculator, and we all complain about fuel prices being too high. They seem a bargain when I compare the value of a dollar.

 

[Tooms22]

Is it just me or has toon technology kinda stayed the same while the builders slapped $150k worth of motors on them instead of a $20k motor but upped the price $300k+?

 

[rivermobster]

That’s more than I paid for the house I live in. A lot more.

Tell me you're old...

Without telling me you're old.

 

[monkeyswrench]

It also surprises me what a value Gasoline (Fuel) is when I use the inflation calculator, and we all complain about fuel prices being too high. They seem a bargain when I compare the value of a dollar.

I would like to commend you for the next leftist rallying cry:

"Fuel is too cheap, we must raise the prices even more to save the planet!"

Please keep that math to yourself!

 

[rivermobster]

I would like to commend you for the next leftist rallying cry:

"Fuel is too cheap, we must raise the prices even more to save the planet!"

Please keep that math to yourself!

No shit...

I didn't read his post the first time around. But now that you've called my attention to it...

What in the fucking fuck???

 

[Romans9]

Tell me you're old...

Without telling me you're old.

Maybe he is just saying he don’t live in California….

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I would like to commend you for the next leftist rallying cry:

"Fuel is too cheap, we must raise the prices even more to save the planet!"

Please keep that math to yourself!

Bajajaja, I have heard that from some. That is coming. I missed the mark on that comment, but I don't buy fuel in California. For what it's worth, I rarely buy gasoline, so perhaps I should shut my mouth. When I do, it's for my UTV. Everything I own burns oil. I don't commute, I don't drive much unless it is on a long trip.

Still, the graph on this webpage is fun to look at. It tells a better story than me doing quick math in my head about the value of a dollar. It also shows the recent spike in costs, that I did not account for.

Average Gas Prices in the U.S. Through History [Updated]

Gas Prices Through History [Updated] We might deny it. We might diminish its importance. We might not like it. But the fact is that gas prices are intrinsically linked with the overall economy in the U.S. and have been for decades. Oil gluts and crises consistently correlate with economic...

www.titlemax.com

I have a book called "Green Tyranny" That I read many years ago, and it shaped my opinion of the Green New Deal and the Eco-Nazi mentality. IMHO, anyone who wants to stop us from using fossil fuels is simply trying to remove our competitive advantage on the global markets and drive up our energy costs. The idea is simply un-American in my mind.

 

[samsah33]

Sigh... Champagne dreams on a beer budget...

 

[cofooter]

Buy high before the Crash!!!

 

[rivermobster]

Maybe he is just saying he don’t live in California….

That or he lives in a trailer park?

 

[hallett21]

Settle down old timers. The math checks

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Maybe he is just saying he don’t live in California….

Nope, and I do my damn best to stay away. Not really sure what fuel costs in California. My guess special blends and taxes contribute to the high costs.

 

[rivermobster]

Nope, and I do my damn best to stay away. Not really sure what fuel costs in California. My guess special blends and taxes contribute to the high costs.

We weren't talking about you!

 

[monkeyswrench]

Bajajaja, I have heard that from some. That is coming. I missed the mark on that comment, but I don't buy fuel in California. For what it's worth, I rarely buy gasoline, so perhaps I should shut my mouth. When I do, it's for my UTV. Everything I own burns oil. I don't commute, I don't drive much unless it is on a long trip.

Still, the graph on this webpage is fun to look at. It tells a better story than me doing quick math in my head about the value of a dollar. It also shows the recent spike in costs, that I did not account for.

Average Gas Prices in the U.S. Through History [Updated]

Gas Prices Through History [Updated] We might deny it. We might diminish its importance. We might not like it. But the fact is that gas prices are intrinsically linked with the overall economy in the U.S. and have been for decades. Oil gluts and crises consistently correlate with economic...

www.titlemax.com

I have a book called "Green Tyranny" That I read many years ago, and it shaped my opinion of the Green New Deal and the Eco-Nazi mentality. IMHO, anyone who wants to stop us from using fossil fuels is simply trying to remove our competitive advantage on the global markets and drive up our energy costs. The idea is simply un-American in my mind.

Green tyranny is going according to plan. I'm of the tinfoil hat beliefs that the goal is to make everything electric so we can be easily controlled.
When the last Dem was in control, fuel skyrocketed. After the last election "results" I bought the Prius...and all my friends laughed.

It's only going to get worse before it gets any better. For now though, people are still blinded by whatever thing shines brightest before them. The leadership and it's minions are atop the towers pointing at communism, illegals crossing the border, Palestine, Israel and a bunch of other things. The right wing and the left wing are both of the same bird, and that bird is shitting on us.

 

[Willie B]

That's 3x what I paid in 2012, and about what they say my house is worth now.

In terms of relativity, probably not far off.
That said, F' I'm poor

… being poor, can really be fun… ask me how I know… but I think you really do already know

 

[TrollerDave]

I'm shopping for a used truck. The prices really were pissing me off until I saw that Meme from @regor that basically said: "Your shit ain't worth more money, your money ain't worth shit!" So, I started using this calculator to level set my expectations.

https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

The thing that really struck home was that when you account for inflation, the price of "New" trucks is surprising, considering all the new technology incorporated into the design for convenience, performance, safety, and fuel economy.

It also surprises me what a value Gasoline (Fuel) is when I use the inflation calculator, and we all complain about fuel prices being too high. They seem a bargain when I compare the value of a dollar.

How does income compute into the inflation calculator? Did it grow at the same rate as inflation? Maybe for the fast food crews in CA.

 

[bk2drvr]

I’m surprised the boat builders haven’t figured out that if they would just do a cost plus pricing model they would sell tons of boats and make more profit in volume. Instead of charging insane amounts of money for these assembly line made boats to a very small sliver of the population.

 

[C-Ya]

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This is the 10 wide and it’s got 500’s so it’s in the upper echelon of things.. but that is 450k for a toon and they will get it.

I cannot help but compare the 450k Tritoon to this 300k boat. It makes the 300k boat look like the deal of the century.

https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2024-saxdor-320-gto-9192460/

 

[Backlash]

I'm sorry but I have to say this.....



That pontoon is fucking lame. I know there are PLENTY of people who are on the high HP/pontoon train, but I am not one of them. Maybe because I'm still young at heart, or because I don't have an unlimited amount of funds to throw away on a ridiculously ugly sled like that...... Regardless, I'll never be a fan.

Give me a clean ass truck, towing an 18' flat, or a 19' Daytona, or a 21' Schiada/Vector..... Something that's actually "Cool!" Something that has some heart, soul and some badass one-off rigging hidden down below.

Bring back the Daytonas! Show off the Coles! Flaunt those Howards and load up those Schiadas!

A pontoon boat?? For $450K?!?

GTFO!!

 

[ChrisV]

At least it got a triple axle.

 

[FlyByWire]

Jesus Fuck I can’t even AFFORD to go be poor somewhere else.

 

[Crazyhippy]

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It also surprises me what a value Gasoline (Fuel) is when I use the inflation calculator, and we all complain about fuel prices being too high. They seem a bargain when I compare the value of a dollar.

As a data point... I got my driver license in the summer of 1995. Gas was $0.99 (Ventura, CA), I distinctly remember bitching about not being able to find it under a buck. According to the calculator a Buck in 1995 dollars, is $2.05 today. 87 octane is currently just under $3 in NC, and just over $4.50 in CA!

 

[Taboma]

Green tyranny is going according to plan. I'm of the tinfoil hat beliefs that the goal is to make everything electric so we can be easily controlled.
When the last Dem was in control, fuel skyrocketed. After the last election "results" I bought the Prius...and all my friends laughed.

It's only going to get worse before it gets any better. For now though, people are still blinded by whatever thing shines brightest before them. The leadership and it's minions are atop the towers pointing at communism, illegals crossing the border, Palestine, Israel and a bunch of other things. The right wing and the left wing are both of the same bird, and that bird is shitting on us.

I will share one thought ---- I have the ability to collect, store and distribute sufficient electrical energy for my personal use and with additional equipment, an EV as well. Although I will agree, physics would hinder my ability to carry that energy with me for lengthy trips.
I do not possess the ability to make petroleum products of the type to fuel my transportation needs.

I am however most curious of what realm and in what dimension you've previously resided you're recalling where you weren't subject to the whims and needs of some form of overlord ? This world where all was right and man lived in perfect harmony with each other and nature.
I do not believe that attribute is the nature of this particular evolutionary stage of humans.

You've carved out a niche that fits you and yours as I believe was your desire. Cherish the all to brief time you will be allowed to enjoy it rather than suffering the pain caused by the ills and injustice of mankind outside your sphere of control and influence.
Or not, your life, your choice.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I will share one thought ---- I have the ability to collect, store and distribute sufficient electrical energy for my personal use and with additional equipment, an EV as well. Although I will agree, physics would hinder my ability to carry that energy with me for lengthy trips.
I do not possess the ability to make petroleum products of the type to fuel my transportation needs.

I am however most curious of what realm and in what dimension you've previously resided you're recalling where you weren't subject to the whims and needs of some form of overlord ? This world where all was right and man lived in perfect harmony with each other and nature.
I do not believe that attribute is the nature of this particular evolutionary stage of humans.

You've carved out a niche that fits you and yours as I believe was your desire. Cherish the all to brief time you will be allowed to enjoy it rather than suffering the pain caused by the ills and injustice of mankind outside your sphere of control and influence.
Or not, your life, your choice.

It's not so much the being subjected to the whims of rulers. As you said, that's been around since the first organization of man. The difference is now our already great dependence on electricity is being made into complete dependence. With a few keystrokes, an individual house, city or entire state, can be sent into the dark ages. Many "grid tied" solar setups are designed to not charge their battery backups when the power is down...I believe in some areas there was regulations for it as well.

I try to control what I can, and adapt to things I cannot. Majority of my stress in life comes from things I have no control over, and keep trying to adapt to. Those things I cannot change, but they seem an ever fluid force.

 

[Romans9]

Don’t undervalue your work.
Make as much money as you can.
Live within your means.
Don’t envy rather enjoy.
Pass it down.
Die happy.

 

[17 10 Flat]

I'm sorry but I have to say this.....



That pontoon is fucking lame. I know there are PLENTY of people who are on the high HP/pontoon train, but I am not one of them. Maybe because I'm still young at heart, or because I don't have an unlimited amount of funds to throw away on a ridiculously ugly sled like that...... Regardless, I'll never be a fan.

Give me a clean ass truck, towing an 18' flat, or a 19' Daytona, or a 21' Schiada/Vector..... Something that's actually "Cool!" Something that has some heart, soul and some badass one-off rigging hidden down below.

Bring back the Daytonas! Show off the Coles! Flaunt those Howards and load up those Schiadas!

A pontoon boat?? For $450K?!?

GTFO!!

When I was a young one. Had a Sanger flat we could all fit. Fun for sure.
When kids grown got married grand kids showed up. A Sanger flat or 19 Daytona was silly.
Eventually moved to a pontoon and seadoos. We could anchor, cook on the pontoon, pull tubes with the seadoos.
Family fun.
Still was little envious of the hotrod boats on the lake, but a pontoon and 2 seadoos was my budget.

 

[Taboma]

It's not so much the being subjected to the whims of rulers. As you said, that's been around since the first organization of man. The difference is now our already great dependence on electricity is being made into complete dependence. With a few keystrokes, an individual house, city or entire state, can be sent into the dark ages. Many "grid tied" solar setups are designed to not charge their battery backups when the power is down...I believe in some areas there was regulations for it as well.

I try to control what I can, and adapt to things I cannot. Majority of my stress in life comes from things I have no control over, and keep trying to adapt to. Those things I cannot change, but they seem an ever fluid force.

13 years ago we installed solar during our home rebuild and we signed an extremely lucrative contract with SDGE that mandated the grid-tied system we've enjoyed and have yet to pay a power bill during those 13 years --- not bad I'd say.
As a reward for signing this 20 year contract, SDG&E wrote us a rebate check for $ 14,000 in addition to the 30% tax credit. The other perk, we've been grandfathered under this plan and as such the rates we're charged for the power we consume and sell back are leaps and bounds better than anybody is paying or getting currently. In 6.5 years I'd be begging for that contract and in turn will be allowed to produce during outages and store what I can afford storage for.

Today systems easily continue to produce during grid outages, the caveat being for solar to function it requires a load, meaning somewhere for it to be utilized.
In a grid-tied system which I believe to be the best of both worlds, at least for us, if the grid power is lost then the solar has no requisite load --- unless you are personally utilizing all the power it's producing --- because it must go somewhere. Today the Battery Bank enters stage right and proclaims --- FEED ME, I will consume and store your solar power for later, and when I'm full, I will shut off the solar circuit automatically.
This technology wasn't available or desirable due to old battery technology when we installed our system.
I'm of course not including my off-Grid ranch neighbors in this discussion as their systems range from redneck golf cart batteries to highly sophisticated systems only a few can afford. Those systems can easily be upgraded and charge a fleet of EV's if necessary.

My point wasn't an economic feasibility study, it was simply stating I can produce electric, much easier and safer than I can attempt to refine crud oil into fuel --- so no, I do not see it as a tool for control any more intimidating than government's ability to control fuel prices and their availability.

PS: The powers to be can't shut off my grid connection remotely without shutting down the entire neighborhood, it doesn't work like that.

 

[Backlash]

When I was a young one. Had a Sanger flat we could all fit. Fun for sure.
When kids grown got married grand kids showed up. A Sanger flat or 19 Daytona was silly.
Eventually moved to a pontoon and seadoos. We could anchor, cook on the pontoon, pull tubes with the seadoos.
Family fun.
Still was little envious of the hotrod boats on the lake, but a pontoon and 2 seadoos was my budget.

Don't get me wrong, pontoons have their place in a family setting. I'm not saying they don't. Floating on a pontoon fishing for crappie on Lake Poinsette is a blast! Been there done that. But it was on a small pontoon with a whopping 90hp Mercury that probably cost about $7K. THAT makes sense to me.

Taking a pontoon boat and hanging 1,000 hp worth of outboards off the transom, is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen. It makes no sense to me. Then, to add insult to injury, charging $450K for this bastardized abomination is just plain stupid. And the fact there are people willing to do just that, cracks me up. Talk about throwing money out the window.

Depreciation on a scale larger than a 2004 Cadillac Escalade with 160,000 miles!

 

[575cat]

A deck & alum tube,s , dumb

 

[monkeyswrench]

@Taboma , I'm pretty sure they can disrupt your grid connection. In the early days, when you didn't pay your bill, they'd send the Edison guy to shut off your power. This happened when you didn't pay...I found this out in my first house With the new meters, they are linked for both being read, and also controlled remotely. Nice in some ways, but could surely be used as a tool.

As for power rates, you are lucky you did it when you did. Unfortunately, timing was set by horrible events. The bad thing is, you are grandfathered in. Many of those rates don't exist anymore. There are now many requirements raising costs, and those requirements are also ever-changing and increasingly strict. As time moves forward, we are not going to afford anything.

 

[Taboma]

It's not so much the being subjected to the whims of rulers. As you said, that's been around since the first organization of man. The difference is now our already great dependence on electricity is being made into complete dependence. With a few keystrokes, an individual house, city or entire state, can be sent into the dark ages. Many "grid tied" solar setups are designed to not charge their battery backups when the power is down...I believe in some areas there was regulations for it as well.

I try to control what I can, and adapt to things I cannot. Majority of my stress in life comes from things I have no control over, and keep trying to adapt to. Those things I cannot change, but they seem an ever fluid force.

Everybody's major life stress is a result of those things outside our sphere of control, despite our repeated attempts to control them resulting in repetitive frustration from the realized futility.
At my age, and being retired, I no longer stress over my jobs, or crews, or putting food on anybody's table, nope, got those all handled and stored in my memory banks.
The source of my life stress is purely selfish and a reality that follows me persistently. The realization that the time I have left to spend on this fucking rock with my sweetheart and best buddy is, like it or not, limited and I'm haunted by an accelerating clock.

This sir being the source of my comment regarding life is short, cherish it as much as you can, while you can.

 

[Albert]

My house cost about the same as that and my house has gone up three times what I payed . I’m sure that pontoon will do the same in value

 

[lbhsbz]

I will share one thought ---- I have the ability to collect, store and distribute sufficient electrical energy for my personal use and with additional equipment, an EV as well. Although I will agree, physics would hinder my ability to carry that energy with me for lengthy trips.
I do not possess the ability to make petroleum products of the type to fuel my transportation needs.

You didn't mention that you have the ability to make electricity. A gas can is a perfectly good way to collect, store, and distribute petroleum to fuel your transportation needs....so .... they're kinda the same except gas is easier to deal with. I'm not sure what your point was...

 

[Taboma]

You didn't mention that you have the ability to make electricity. A gas can is a perfectly good way to collect, store, and distribute petroleum to fuel your transportation needs....so .... they're kinda the same except gas is easier to deal with. I'm not sure what your point was...

My point was clear, I can not only collect and store, and distribute electricity, but in addition, produce the product on site.
I can only collect, store and distribute petroleum after I purchase it. It's easier for the government to control the availability of this product than control solar output.

Given there's other pros, cons and benefits of one energy source over the other. As much as I prefer hydrocarbon combustion in my own life, electricity is far safer to handle and the efficiency of electrical motors far exceeds those using internal combustion.

I can also continue to produce and store solar energy in a mobile application, the same can't be said for petroleum.

 

[RiverDave]

Don't get me wrong, pontoons have their place in a family setting. I'm not saying they don't. Floating on a pontoon fishing for crappie on Lake Poinsette is a blast! Been there done that. But it was on a small pontoon with a whopping 90hp Mercury that probably cost about $7K. THAT makes sense to me.

Taking a pontoon boat and hanging 1,000 hp worth of outboards off the transom, is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen. It makes no sense to me. Then, to add insult to injury, charging $450K for this bastardized abomination is just plain stupid. And the fact there are people willing to do just that, cracks me up. Talk about throwing money out the window.

Depreciation on a scale larger than a 2004 Cadillac Escalade with 160,000 miles!

Man I wish you were right on your depreciation comment.. but they fucking things are going up in value..

 

[monkeyswrench]

@Taboma , I was lucky/unlucky with timing. I never shorted a supplier or an employee, and my kids ate...while the world crumbled and my Mom was ill. I was still kind of blind to time, even though I myself had already been a "flatliner" on a table in '05. It took the additional forces brought by the pressures of running crews, feeding their families and ultimately losing my Mom, to truly realize how lucky, in fact, I've been. Without those lessons, the times I've had recently could have possibly ended me. "Whatever doesn't kill you..."
More truth to that than people think. The strength isn't meant as a physical condition, but the ability to endure.

Your time may be limited, but no more so than anyone here. We weren't made with an expiration date, and the world is a variable in everyone's equation. We just ride that wave to the shore, occasionally getting tossed on the way.

 

[JL95]

I got a 1983 budget lmao