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Think your wrong.101 in California doesn’t move …the traffic here moves just slow.it is getting worse…I go to work at 5 AM and drive home at 1:30 so I don’t have to go out and deal with all that bullshit afternoon

No, you're wrong, lol.. I drive the 101 all the time. Traffic is nothing like it used to be a few years ago. Since Covid the 101 hasn't been that bad at all. A lot of folks are working from home now and you can really tell the difference. If fact, that's been the only good thing about Covid. lol
 

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Still love TO and NP

With how far left (even for CA) that state has become, we won’t go back.
Funny, I think of TO, NP and Simi as being totally conservative. We've got Trump Rallies that would compare to many cities outside the state.

Curious where you lived in NP?
 

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I only go back for special events which is not very often. For those who love the place that's great but it was not for me. The only thing I really miss is snowboarding in the winter. I never really cared for the beach even though I have surfed in Surf City and have chased the Catalina express out of Long Beach Harbor on my JS550. I was truly always and still am a lake and river rat. Proximity to Havasu and Parker was a hard pill for me to swallow in the earlier days but I have found some comparable local haunts that mostly satisfy me and I have started making regular trips back out to the river again now that I am a little better off in life than I was when I left.

I've been in TX since 2014 and can say every place in this country can be great or terrible. It all depends on what you make of it. I have embraced the TX life and honestly feel more like a Texan than I ever did a Californian. I own 5 pairs of cowboy boots ranging from beater yard boots to everyday boots and various reptile and ostrich skinned ones as well. There may or may not be a few pew pews that would be felonies in California too. Fuel and registration is also significantly cheaper here which is a huge factor for me seeing as how I can't have just one of anything!

Every native Texan I know considers me a refugee and embraces me as one of their own. In fact, we bag on Californians together! 😉😜

But seriously, when considering relocating its about picking a place that aligns with your wants and ideals and embracing that place for everything it is even the things where you may initially think you could take it or leave it. Go into it with an open mind and do and try everything the local has to offer. Become one of the community.

Funny story, I didn't know I was allergic to shellfish until I was 25 years old. I never much cared for it but vowed to do everything Texan. After about the 4th consecutive crawfish boil of getting very sick after, I figured it out! lol. The best I can do simulated crab meat.
LOL One of the more silly things I'm most excited about is getting my first pair of boots and a hat. I have no idea why, but that will be my second and third purchase after a nice AR. :)
 

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Funny, I think of TO, NP and Simi as being totally conservative. We've got Trump Rallies that would compare to many cities outside the state.

Curious where you lived in NP?
Across the street from NP High school in the townhomes…Padua Cir I think. It was a long time ago.

It wasn’t bad back then at all and probably still isn’t in that area. I was just talking about California in general. When I was moving to Reno, all my friends were “what about the beach?” We all agreed we only went once or twice a year. Lol I did ski every winter weekend when I lived in Reno…I miss Reno more than SoCal.

I enjoyed it, didn’t hate it, just my experience after leaving and coming back to visit.
 

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Across the street from NP High school in the townhomes…Padua Cir I think. It was a long time ago.

It wasn’t bad back then at all and probably still isn’t in that area. I was just talking about California in general. When I was moving to Reno, all my friends were “what about the beach?” We all agreed we only went once or twice a year. Lol I did ski every winter weekend when I lived in Reno…I miss Reno more than SoCal.

I enjoyed it, didn’t hate it, just my experience after leaving and coming back to visit.

Cool man.... Nice..
 

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IDK man, when is the last time you've been home? Phoenix has it's fair share of rush hr but it's predictable and easy to avoid. The hours to sneak through SoCal without major traffic are down to a couple hours a day. It's real bad every time I'm there trying to get through town on the way to Willow springs or Buttonwillow. Or from OC to the South Bay.
It been awhile since Ive been back home where I had to dael with traffic. My perspective in Phoenix is mostly headed west from the airport in the afternoon, or heading east on a weekend to Mesa. Both gridlock on I-10. To be fair though, I have not had the pleasure of commuting in So Cal since 1998 so maybe my perspective is a little dated. lol. Hard to imagine though that it has actually gotten worse.
 

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Alan, like you, I was born and raised in So. Cal which made the decision to leave in 2012 a little bitter sweet but we haven't looked back moving to Texas, No. Virginia (DC) and now Arizona. It was a little difficult at first but we don't regret it one bit. Miss some good friends and a few favorite food joints, but that is it! Every time I go back I find myself counting down the time until I get to leave.

Do what's right for you and the family and all will be good.
 

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LOL One of the more silly things I'm most excited about is getting my first pair of boots and a hat. I have no idea why, but that will be my second and third purchase after a nice AR. :)

If you’re ever near Austin, check out Ulli Johnson, the Texas Boot Whisperer.

You can buy boots anywhere, but she’s a bit different.
Brand-new vintage boots, all custom…it’s a great experience, especially for the wife.

Highly recommended 👍
I got a pair of 40 year old Ostrich belly boots from her, NOS.
Wife got similar.
We had a good time at her store…she doesn’t sell boots, she sells experiences LOL

 

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It been awhile since Ive been back home where I had to dael with traffic. My perspective in Phoenix is mostly headed west from the airport in the afternoon, or heading east on a weekend to Mesa. Both gridlock on I-10. To be fair though, I have not had the pleasure of commuting in So Cal since 1998 so maybe my perspective is a little dated. lol. Hard to imagine though that it has actually gotten worse.
9pm on a Sunday night you’re on the 91 thinking “where TF are all the people going on a Sunday night”. Looks like rush hour
 

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I am 5th generation Californian and remember when my family drove to Carlsbad, "Welcome to the unincorporated town of Carlsbad, Population 2500" and then we settled in Vista (population 3000 at the time). It was the greatest place to grow up! Now I know all things change, but California is no longer the paradise it once was. Homelessness, infrastructure is crumbling, the "woke" bunch, lack of respect everywhere, rampant liberalism, unreal taxation, over-crowding in every facet of life, and now state-run low income housing a block from the beach (WTF).

I have an interview with a great company in Chandler, and it is very likely they are going to offer me the job. So, for those of you that have left California, what do you miss, and would you move back if you had a chance? 4 generations of my family are interned in the soil of this state, I am the only member of the 5th generation still here, and the 6th generation is leaving. I am at a crossroads with Cali, but I don't know if I can stay here another 25 years and continue to watch it decay.
What are you afraid of? I was born in 89 and had a great childhood growing up in Dana Point/San Clemente then later Trabuco Canyon. I moved in 2018 and don't miss anything at all that would keep me there and would never move back. I do miss working for the paving company, it was tough leaving that job. When I do visit my grandparents its nice to see them and other family members and they're all doing well doing their own thing. After I've made my visits I'm ready, not eager but ready, to get out of there and back home and will just drive back home anytime of the day or night.
 
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What are you afraid of? I was born in 89 and had a great childhood growing up in Dana Point/San Clemente then later Trabuco Canyon. I moved in 2018 and don't miss anything at all that would keep me there and would never move back. I do miss working for the paving company, it was tough leaving that job. When I do visit my grandparents its nice to see them and other family members and they're all doing well doing their own thing. After I've made my visits I'm ready, not eager but ready, to get out of there and back home and will just drive back home anytime of the day or night.
Where is home now?
 

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Hate to say it but, I’m really going to miss it, at least from a sentimental perspective. All my relatives are buried here going back 100 years. But as others have said, it isn’t the same and I don’t see a life for my wife and I here anymore.

Coincidentally, I was looking through some old pics today.

I’m a 4th generation Angelino and a 4th generation Contractor here. Below is a pic of my Great Grand Father’s 3 digit LA Contractors License from 1923. They didn’t have State licenses back then. That’s his shop on Main Street in Alhambra as well with my teen age Grand Mother standing in front of it. She eventually went on to work at LADWP and was there for something like 40 plus years. I still have all her anniversary pins. My Mom also worked there and the picture of her below was from her baby shower there, referencing my birth.

Really kind of sad.


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9pm on a Sunday night you’re on the 91 thinking “where TF are all the people going on a Sunday night”. Looks like rush hour
I used to spend weekends at my sisters in Manhattan Beach/Hermosa. I waited until 8 or 9 PM on Sundays to drive home…the 405 was ALWAYS packed. I remember having that same thought…it’s 930 on a Sunday, where the fuck are all these people going?

Great memories though.
 

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I agree. Many shit hole parts indeed. I am blessed to be able to afford HB. Hard to beat wearing shorts, t shirts and flip flops 50 weeks a year. Never too hot and never too cold. Before everyone chimes in with the "weather is great" blasts, save it. It is. ;)

I am no baller by any stretch, especially compared to those here that are, but walking away from selling my house with well over 1M is a blessing too. I am merely a small fish here
Funny you said that. I was going to say except for a few places like HB
 

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I used to spend weekends at my sisters in Manhattan Beach/Hermosa. I waited until 8 or 9 PM on Sundays to drive home…the 405 was ALWAYS packed. I remember having that same thought…it’s 930 on a Sunday, where the fuck are all these people going?

Great memories though.
I have fellow racers that ask me about my race craft. Working my way through lapped cars and slower traffic in multi class racing like what you se at the Daytona 24hr.

I tell them I grew up on the 91 freeway. Haha!!
 

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Like many on here I grew up in the fast growing urban area of San Jose, California. It was a great place to grow up in 70’s and 80’s. But as housing costs and the population rose exponentially in Bay area i knew by age 21 this place was changing for the worse and bailed in early 1990’s to the other California. The other California is everything outside of the Bay Area or LA/SD and it’s even better. I chose Placer county because of its location near the Sierra ski resorts, many lakes/rivers/delta with thousands of shoreline miles of boating, good bird/deer hunting, Affordable housing, good schools, cool people and high quality of life. But California also has 48 other counties outside the Bay Area or LA that aren’t gummed up and have great communities to live in too And did i mention the fucking w@#ther Is outstanding?
But hey, if you think all of Cal is the LA Bay Area and you gotta leave and bash it, Well Bye Felicias. ;):cool:
 

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I moved my business to Texas last year. I am born and raised Socal. I came back the list is long as to why. I will start with Mexican food they have Texmex and said it will grow on you. Nope if you know good Mexican food it will leave you searching. The weather and I know everyone says this but you can't understand difference until you live somewhere else how true it is. When I went I thought it was great how much of the land is privately owned. In the end that sucked especially if you lived here with so many places to go to offroad. I am fortunate I own several properties here and coming back was easy but most once they sell would have difficulty doing so. There are many things I will miss but most of all the people. The people of Texas are the greatest that I have ever meet!
 

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All of my family lives in Gilbert. My sister just paid 600k for a 1650 sf 3 bed 2 bath. Gilbert to me is more crowded than any area of the east valley but with 50,000 new people a year moving to here I must be wrong...

1. Phoenix earned the first spot as the most popular metro for in-migration, gaining an average of 49,882 residents per year, from exchanges with other metros, between 2015 and 2019. Most of the new residents came from the three largest contributors: Los Angeles, Tucson, and Chicago.
I moved to Gilbert from O.C. back in 2006. Gilbert is a town not a city but that town feeling is long gone. All the farms and fields have turned into multi family housing and tract homes. The Phoenix Valley is turning into exactly why I left SoCal. 👎
 

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Like many on here I grew up in the fast growing urban area of San Jose, California. It was a great place to grow up in 70’s and 80’s. But as housing costs and the population rose exponentially in Bay area i knew by age 21 this place was changing for the worse and bailed in early 1990’s to the other California. The other California is everything outside of the Bay Area or LA/SD and it’s even better. I chose Placer county because of its location near the Sierra ski resorts, many lakes/rivers/delta with thousands of shoreline miles of boating, good bird/deer hunting, Affordable housing, good schools, cool people and high quality of life. But California also has 48 other counties outside the Bay Area or LA that aren’t gummed up and have great communities to live in too And did i mention the fucking w@#ther Is outstanding?
But hey, if you think all of Cal is the LA Bay Area and you gotta leave and bash it, Well Bye Felicias. ;):cool:
Doesn't matter where one lives in Commiefornia, one is still governed by idiots!! Remember one bad apple eventually spoils the whole bag.
 

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I live in "Paradise" (central coast) despite the "Cali" issues and will stay here to the end ...
We feel like we live in paradise as well here in San Diego. I'm from Iowa & my wife's form Colorado. We know winters & hot, humid summers. We're going to walk around our lake this morning in beautiful sunny warm weather, that is 2 minutes away from our house, while it's subfreeezing weather where we came from. Then we'll go to the beach later , which is 25 minutes from our house, & watch my son & his girlfriend surf & then a BBQ. And we have view of the mountains. Love it!

We hate the far left liberalist politics & taxes, but can deal with it at this point. The only thing that would surely make us leave would be the universal healthcare they're pushing for. If we don't have access to the private healthcare professionals, then we're gone. Where? I don't know though.
 

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I’m fortunate enough to have lived in Ca and Az. My parents divorced when I was young. My dad lived in Plato Alto, then Newport when I was a teenager, and eventually Mission Viejo. I spent my summers in Ca, went to school in Phx. It was literally the best of both worlds. I feel like Phx has better food, better restaurants. Not sure why? California summers are as good as it gets weather wise. No place on earth like it. If I could afford Coronado Island, that’s where I’d like to retire. Living at the river has been a cool experience as well. Living on the water has been a dream. We aren’t raising our child here though, there’s really no schools or opportunities here for her . So it’s either back to Ca or Az, or even Texas. Can’t decide which way to go. We literally surf the internet for houses in all three states every day. Yorba Linda, Anahiem Hills, where my wife still commutes to and works, a million dollars gets you an old small house that needs remodeled. A million in Phx area (Peoria/Chandler/Gilbert/North Phx) gets you a really nice, new or newer house, 3 car garage and pool in a master planned community. A million in Texas gets you horse property and huge house. So there’s the dilemma. 🤷🏼‍♂️ My plan in a couple years is to liquidate, sell everything, buy cash somewhere and slow down. My wife wants to continue working so she can go back to full time for a few years.
 

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Can’t decide which way to go. We literally surf the internet for houses in all three states every day. Yorba Linda, Anahiem Hills, where my wife still commutes to and works, a million dollars gets you an old small house that needs remodeled.
Paul…I’ve lived in YL / AH area for over 25 years. Great place to live. Great schools. YLHS is about 10 years old. A house just like mine sold for 1.2 last month. 2 story 2400 sq.ft. Built in 1985. You can find homes for a million that aren’t old or small. Welcome home!!! 😂
 
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I was born and raised in Burbank. 3rd generation to graduate from Burroughs High School. I got out of So Cal to SLO County about 10 years ago. It is my absolute favorite place on earth. By FAR! But, doing what I do, there wasn't a clear path for me to make enough money there AND have a decent work/life balance. So we moved to Tucson since that is where the only direct family we had that lived outside of California. It was cool. I like the city. It's a really nice mix of Big City amenities and small town feel. But, it was far from anything that I enjoyed. Moderate boating is a good 3 hours away and not many accommodations to stay at when doing so. Riding is very close but pretty damn flat for the most part. Everything was just a trek. It was at least a 20 min. drive to get across town and traffic was usually moving. Everything was just so spread out and not many good freeway routes so you're left with surface streets.

Phoenix was better in some ways, but it's a very Marge metropolitan area and to me felt EXACTLY like LA but just 25 degrees hotter.

Now, we could have made Tucson work for sure. The people there were very friendly. The issue for us was that the only family we had there and the hope we had for help didn't materialize with our kids. I had to take off multiple days a month to watch kids while 1 or 2 of them had doctors appointments. Etc..

Bottom line for us... we could never see ourselves living in Phoenix, or as I always called it LA East.
 
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I’m fortunate enough to have lived in Ca and Az. My parents divorced when I was young. My dad lived in Plato Alto, then Newport when I was a teenager, and eventually Mission Viejo. I spent my summers in Ca, went to school in Phx. It was literally the best of both worlds. I feel like Phx has better food, better restaurants. Not sure why? California summers are as good as it gets weather wise. No place on earth like it. If I could afford Coronado Island, that’s where I’d like to retire. Living at the river has been a cool experience as well. Living on the water has been a dream. We aren’t raising our child here though, there’s really no schools or opportunities here for her . So it’s either back to Ca or Az, or even Texas. Can’t decide which way to go. We literally surf the internet for houses in all three states every day. Yorba Linda, Anahiem Hills, where my wife still commutes to and works, a million dollars gets you an old small house that needs remodeled. A million in Phx area (Peoria/Chandler/Gilbert/North Phx) gets you a really nice, new or newer house, 3 car garage and pool in a master planned community. A million in Texas gets you horse property and huge house. So there’s the dilemma. 🤷🏼‍♂️ My plan in a couple years is to liquidate, sell everything, buy cash somewhere and slow down. My wife wants to continue working so she can go back to full time for a few years.
I grew up in South Orange County and know the area. What prompted me to move to Az was to get a start on life. Get myself a house and financial security on blue collar wages. The slave to the house cost of living in California was a huge turn off, not to mention I would struggle to gain any financial security as it's a go broke safely state. I don't have kids but if I decide to I would like to be present in their lives instead of working 4am to 7pm. I worked with many great guys that were victims of that. Living in less than desirable conditions and prior to moving I then realized weather is a small detail in life when it comes to achieving goals and moving forward in life. I'm moving forward in Phoenix. Little bit of heat is a small detail for what I need to have instead of having great weather and not having what I need.
 

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We hate the far left liberalist politics & taxes, but can deal with it at this point. The only thing that would surely make us leave would be the universal healthcare they're pushing for. If we don't have access to the private healthcare professionals, then we're gone. Where? I don't know though.
 

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I am blessed in my living situation in Cali… BUT …
Probably be moving out within the year.
I have two married daughters with hard working husbands.
They are smart enough to know that many employers are leaving Cali everyday.
These kids know all the metrics of so many cities now … Nashville area, Austin area, Boise area, Raleigh area, St George area, Henderson area , Gilbert AZ area … etc etc etc.
I wanna hang out with my kids so we will move too.
I’ll always keep my Havasu place because there isn’t any boating better anywhere and the people there are friendly and cool.
Times they are a changing.
 

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Doesn't matter where one lives in Commiefornia, one is still governed by idiots!! Remember one bad apple eventually spoils the whole bag.
I don’t live anywhere near Apple Valley and I don’t eat apples So I;m not gonna waste time worrying about them or politics.
 
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Arizona, below 3500’ is miserable in the summer months. It’s no vacation when you live and work here.

If you have money, you leave the desert, and head to the mountains and enjoy cabin life, above 6500’.

So when you decide to move to Chandler, AZ, and take advantage of desert tract home pricing, remember, you also need a cabin in Pinetop AZ.
 

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Tip Top meats....now there is a place I would miss. And Cdog, I will keep your offer in mind if they offer the position.
These guys ship and are top notch! Not cheap but worth every penny!
 

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I miss the fog on the 15 heading to San Diego.
I miss the 91 fwy parking lot at 5 am.
I miss being shot at.
I miss the "me first" attitude of commuters.
Yeah, plenty more to miss.

Dan'l
 

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Having been born and raised in socal, now in TX and retired, I can honestly say that moving was the right choice for my family. It was a difficult decision, but once made everything else was easy.

We tried to look at all phases of life, employment, government, culture, society, finances, opportunity, investments, and so on. now a couple of years vacated, there are only two things we miss about CA; friends and the natural beauty of the state.

Not everyone can choose to move, so weigh your options carefully. Things will be different wherever you land. Some will be good, some bad and some you will have never imagined. If/when you do move, assimilate as quickly as possible and don’t look back. Explore everything. You’ll probably discover that there is far more to enjoy and appreciate in your new locale than the are disappointments.

Best of luck in your decision.
 

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I agree. Many shit hole parts indeed. I am blessed to be able to afford HB. Hard to beat wearing shorts, t shirts and flip flops 50 weeks a year. Never too hot and never too cold. Before everyone chimes in with the "weather is great" blasts, save it. It is. ;)

I am no baller by any stretch, especially compared to those here that are, but walking away from selling my house with well over 1M is a blessing too. I am merely a small fish here
This sums it up for me as well. Very fortunate.
 

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I love California. Born and raised there since 1965.

The people and politics ruined a once great state. Sanctuary cities, leftist democrats, high taxes, eroding freedoms, etc.

Visiting is great! The eastern sierra mountains will always call me back.
 

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Ditto on all 3. never could figure out why they don't have tri-tip!!
Some stores like Costco an Kroger (Ralph’s) here sell tri-tip cuts. One of my neighbors recently had his processor include tri-tips from his last two grass fed and finished steers. I have two and they sold the other two. There’s NOTHING like locally raised beef.

We’re working out a time to get together and I’m going to cook one Santa Maria style and smoke the other so they can try both methods.
 

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Ditto on all 3. never could figure out why they don't have tri-tip!!

I forgot all about that. We stayed in Florida for a week, and I wanted to bbq a tri tip. Couldn’t find one anywhere. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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